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fast as hell sumery for the two series my man lord of the rings is a long epic struggle to kill a ghost eyeball thats a cunt... and the game of thrones is all about guys getting brutaly sluaghtered and sexy bitches getting fucked... or killed... or both....
Note regarding LoTR. To a modern fantasy audience, his work may appear rather cliched. But the thing is Tolkien originated a lot of the tropes that have become so common in the fantasy genre, and uses them a lot better than many authors attempting to emulate him have.
@@PriestessOfSlaanesh -Calls someone else a kid -Acts like a child Maybe just realize not everyone likes the same things you do, as a massive LotR fan i can fully see why someone might not care for it. Hell even if they are young and don't care for older things that doesn't mean they care for worthless shit. How about you be an apparent 'adult' and act like one, and not smear other peoples interests and opinions.
Toga Himiko dude I’m in that age and adore LOTR and Hobbit. I’ve read half the books and seen all the movies multiple times each. Stop being a child like angel said
@@PriestessOfSlaanesh your arguement literally roasts you, you first call him a kid, then call the series old worthless shit... and you act like a child throughout this entire thing... HMMMMM... how about you grow up because age is just a number and your knowledge of literary content is absolutely abhorrent... im 21 and i hate the HBO GoT because IT IS a straming pile of trash, on the other hand i find LotR(both books and movies) a much better experience...
@@crustybomb115 well, to be fair from the way you are all typing I would say you were all children or in the age range he gave: but that isn't a bad thing in itself
A literal "entire album" is probably a bit of a stretch, but Led Zeppelin definitely has enough songs dedicated and/or inspired by Tolkien to make an entire album dedicated to his books. I'm not too familiar with Blind Guardian, I've liked what I've heard of theirs, but don't really know anything about them.
Honestly, I don't really get what's so "special" about these lines. Sure, they're references to the books, but in terms of 'ammunition', they're not that relevant.
@@trielt1They're not meant to be disses. They're meant to be lines that hype the rapper up (usually at the expense of their opponent). Kind of like a flex. Since these lines have double meanings (being a hype-verse/flex while referencing the books that gave him his fame in order of their release dates) makes it a cleverer hype-verse/flex than some. How special a person may feel those lines are however is purely subjective.
@@DarkShadowZX I guess I'm just not impressed by them. And I realize they're not meant as disses, they're just.. weak. No real content or wordplay behind them, they're just.. names of books.
trielt1 They aren’t weak - and it’s a double meaning so there is wordplay. Tolkien is hyping himself up through his books. - he’s calling himself a king, the bigger person and he can’t be reached because he’s better
@@AJMC82 stairway to heaven also has LOTR references. "There's a feeling I get when I look to the west, And my spirit is crying for leaving" " I have seen rings of smoke through the trees, And the voices of those who stand looking" "Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run There's still time to change the road you're on" "And as we wind on down the road Our shadows taller than our soul. There walks a lady we all know Who shines white light and wants to show How everything still turns to gold. And if you listen very hard The tune will come to you at last. When all are one and one is all To be a rock and not to roll"
@@chrisdirker8715 Led Zeppelin actually denied that the Stairway line refers to Lord of the Rings. But Evermore (I guess) mentions the Nazgul (Ringwraiths), and they did have Tolkien-inspired material.
My favourite ERB :D Tolkien definitely won for me, his raps were both solid in attack and defence, the Book sales line was a great attack, as you noted, and his counter to Martin calling him a 'nerdy little nebbish' being countered by Tolkien calling up Led Zeppelin was also great. His last few lines were great too, a nod to all of the volumes of LotR: You can't reach this *Fellow, Shit* (Fellowship of the Ring) I'm *Too Towering* (The Two Towers), every time I battle it's *Return of the King* (Return of the King). Yes Tolkien, yes it is.
Leandros Laertiades Indeed. I'll always remember the majority of students groaning as they waited for the third movie to end, simply because everyone had to use the washroom, but no one would budge until the credits. And as soon as the credits rolled, everyone charged into the bathrooms.
You should definitely watch lord of the rings. It starts a bit slow but it is amazing. Some really sweet battles and fight scenes, fantastic music and beautifull landscapes and sets.
@@ToyosatomimiNoThug the Hobbit movies are still better than 80% of your usual Hollywood shlock. and considering the issues the production faced, i think they were still OK
I've got to admit, it was very close. I'm leaning towards Tolkien, though. To be fair, I'm very Biased here. Some friends tried to sell me on A Song of Ice And Fire by saying it was like Tolkien, and... nah.
I completely agree with the person who commented before me. I adore Tolkien and Lotrs was my first fandom and love. Asoiaf is a fantastic book series though with incredibly immersive characters and multiple perspectives, and it really shows the brutality of war. Honestly I love both series and couldn't possibly choose between them. I love how Tolkien's characters are fantastical, while Martin's are starker and amazingly unique between their povs. At least give the book series a chance and if it's not for you, that's cool, but everyone should take the opportunity to expand their current reading/read list.
@@REDANDSILVER741 This rap battle brings up the main reason I can't read ASOIAF: "We all know the world is full of chance and anarchy, so yes it's true to life for characters to die randomly, but news flash: the Genre's called Fantasy! It's meant to be unrealistic you Myopic Manatee!" If I wanted to be depressed, I'd contemplate my own life, I don't need a book to do that for me. If I'm reading fantasy, I want that happy ending that never happens in real life, where everybody lives and the hero gets the love interest and noone has cause for any negetive emotion. To be honest not even LOTR ends on a completly happy note, Frodo never is the same after carrying the ring for so long and ends up leaving with Bilbo, and the book has that whole battle for the shire that never made it to the movies, making it a bit more grim. Honestly I barely can take that bittersweet pill, there was never a chance i'd even remotely like the books. TV shows are a different matter, don't know why, but I can stand the show, even enjoy it, Only seen the first season, mind you, but I'm trying to watch more.
freddie lewis to each there own, but no one in game of thrones dies “randomly” that’s just a stereotype given by the mainstream audiences. ASOIAF and by extension GOT (except for season 7,8) everything happens for a reason. It’s not like main characters have heart attacks randomly. Every single death has a motive to move the plot where it needs to go naturally. The book treats every choice as a big deal and stupid mistakes can and will get you killed. The Red Wedding was forshadowed for a long time however because of that the real stories of the starks and Jon’s eventual rise of power to protect his people comes into play. Everything is necessary. There is also so much fantasy in ASOIAF it’s insane. There is definitely all these theories and textual evidence of Ice Dragons, China, and African Content with Dinosaurs and king kong. Shadow demons and religious worshippers of foreign gods. Prophecies that come true in ways you wouldn’t think. And more. This is all intertwined with politics of the story which is never really focused in LOTR. If you can handle real human emotions and decisions that have real consequences then this is a great story.
@@REDANDSILVER741 The point I made wasn't that people die 'randomly', that was just me quoting the rap battle, my problem is that characters that we are given emotional attachment to die at all. In any other fantasy story, Ned Stark would have been a Main Character that survived at least until the end of the story, and not killed in the first book/season. That is why I can't stand ASOIAF, I don't care whether or not his death had meaning, it doesn't matter, he's dead and that makes it depressing. I neither need or want depressing things in my fantasy books, I have enough of that in the real world.
I see many people say "Martin lost because of Season 8". You guys do know Bennioff and Weiss made Season 8, not him? He hasn't written for the show since Season 4. Plus, this video was made years before Season 8. And even if, wouldn't it make more sense to judge people by their performence?
4:28 This, believe it or not, is one of the big reasons why Lord of the Rings may seem so idealistic. After going through the horrors of war, who wouldn't wish to make a world where peace is possible?
All of these fantasy authors are playing in the sandbox that Tolkien built. George had some really good lines and game of thrones was a really good series but Tolkien’s lines were just a bit better and Lord of The Rings will always remain my favourite fantasy series of all time.
Both Martin's and Tolkien's books are better than their respective live-action adaptations. "Mine's a tale that can't be told My freedom, I hold dear Thousand years ago in days of old When magic filled the air 'Cause in the darkest depths of Mordor, I met a girl so fair But Gollum, the evil one Crept up and slipped away with her, her, her, yeah And there's nothing I can do, no"-excerpt from the lyrics of Ramble On by Led Zeppelin, there's other Tolkien references in a bunch of their songs.
Jeeze man, this is my favorite youtube channel by far. Grew up without a dad and my grandfather died when I was young... so this takes me to a rare place where I feel that close male connection. You're irreplaceable Spazzyboy.
You know this is why I enjoy your reactions, you knew so little between the two but you knew so many reference and even taught me about some I didn’t know (zeppelin) I appreciate this video and thank you!
Martin won for me. Tolkien didn't seem to unique in his rapping or lyricism. He just sounded like an old guy making fun of someone else's weight without having actual criticism of his opponent as a writer.
Tolkien is number 1 and 2 on book sale if you count the lord of the rings as a single book rather than as three separate books, counted separately he would actually be the author of the 4 best selling books of all time.
Hey, just a heads up on one of the lines. its "my kids are making millions on my Silmarillions" The back story on that is Toklien was writhing the WHOLE back story for middile earth and how things got to were they are in the hobbet/LOTR but died before he could finished so his kids finished it and published it for there dad. Its got some really good stories in it.
I absolutely love the battle, but for all their research they probably couldnt find the actual rifle JRR Tolkien would have used in WW1 (A SMLE Mk4 No1) and just subbed it with an Italian-made Vitterli Vitali M1871 they had on hand.
Tons of people haven't. I bet you've never seen a live theatre of MacBeth but that's a classic. Wow, I don't know what to do with my hands. Sorry lol don't mean to sound like a dick but some people just don't really care about LOTR which is fine. I'm sure they'd like it overall if they saw it but they probably just don't care to.
Saw this in my recommended & clicked immediately. Finally, you are doing my favorite ERB! (love the music, the lyrics, and the makeup/costumes) You kinda scared me with your intro, but don't worry, you did just fine! I'd say Martin made a VERY good showing for himself, but Tolkien blew him out of the water regardless. "You're a pirate. You even stole my 'R' 'R'!" (or should I say Aarrrr, Aaarrr, since we are talking pirates) All while doing the American Sign Language gesture for the letter R. Works on so many levels.
Bofur was actually not a name invented by Tolkien. It's a found in Norse mythology dwarfs, along with Thorin, Fili, Kili and Gandalf. I'm not surprised ERB is unaware of this, but I think it would've been better for them to use Tolkien's naming conventions as a rebuttal to his accusations of plagiarism.
>don't know either Know that Tolkien is vastly superior both in his work and his person (consider looking into his life **shell shock from World War I played a part of a certain bog**).
Didnt Tolkien deny that the war had influence? I mean...Its highly unlikely. The way he describes Frodos Trauma and his suffering once he returned sounds alot like World War 1 Vets. And one of the most famous lines "You shall not Pass" is ripped straight from the Battle of Verdun. So who knows really...
Having read many of Tolkien’s letters from the collection, Tolkien wouldn’t have went after Martin in this manner, he would write scathing letters with everything he had wrong with Martin to his friend Milton waldmen
I appreciate the warning. It was not disappointing. A lot of other reactors don’t understand anything and it’s really disappointing. But you sir are the exception.
OMG LORD OF THE RINGS REACTION, PLEASE CURTIS! PLEASE! I'VE NEVER MET ANYONE THAT HASN'T SEEN LORD OF THE RINGS TO EVEN ASK FOR A REACTION. PLEASE DO A REACTION! I would have asked for it much sooner, but I would have never guessed that you hadn't seen them before. EDIT: I can't be any more serious about this. I'll up my pledge by $50 for next month for it. I would do more, I just can't afford it. It would be amazing, and it wouldn't even take up much time, since they are movies, and not a series.
Game of Thrones would also be a good reaction, but, as it does span nearly 80 hours, I can understand avoiding that one. Plus, IMO, it's no where near the quality of Lord of the Rings.
"All your bad guys die and your good guys survive." [SPOILER ALERT] Hey, that's almost exactly what happened in The Long Night, so I guess Benioff & Weiss are more J.R.R. Tolkien than George R.R. Martin. George didn't write it at that point, but it is what happened in post-Red Wedding GoT.
Just to expand on the Led Zeppelin thing, it's interesting how many metal bands that were also inspired by Tolkein, the most obvious ones being Burzum (the morgul word for darkness) Gorgoroth, (a place in Mordor) and Blind Guardian, who had a song about The Hobbit (The Bard's Song - The Hobbit) a song about The Lord of the Rings (The Lord of the Rings) and an entire album about The Silmarillion (Nightfall in Middle Earth.) Anyway, I agree that Tolkein won this one. Kind of surprised you didn't comment on the line about WWI and Vietnam (Tolkein was a WWI veteran while Martin was a conscientious objector.) Could you do Shakespeare vs Dr Seuss?
Both had good flow, but Tolkien’s resume just tramples Martin: - Inspired practically every fantasy writer after him, including Martin himself - Continues to hold the top spots for best selling books even decades after his death - Was one of the chief influences for Led Zeppelin, one of the top selling bands of all times - Has a reputation for not only exceedingly good (albeit thorough) writing, but also fantastic world building to a ludicrously high level of detail - Used his experience as a soldier in WW1 for his writings They even leave out one of the best things Tolkien has ever done: Before WW2, the German Propaganda office mailed Tolkien asking him if he was Aryan. Tolkien replies with an essay describing that not only was the term “Aryan” actually used for the Indus River Valley civilization and had NOTHING to do with Germany, but also that Hitler should go fuck himself
Led Zeppelin straight reference LOTR. Gollum, the Nazgul, Modor are direct topics they sang about. Ramble On, Misty Mountain Hop, Battle of Evermore, are there I can think of of the top of my head. I feel like there was alot more peppered throughout the other albums too. I seem to remember in an interview that the band liked to sit around and play D&D backstage and on tour, which was of course heavily influenced by LOtR Oh, and Tolkien won this. If not for him there would be no modern fantasy genre. Every video game, tabletop game, RPG, George RR, and Harry Potter are all inspired by the characters and the world that Tolkien created.
Nice video. 😀FYI the video audio of most of the videos you are watching on your channel are significantly quieter then yourself and because of this I have to turn the volume up on every device I use to watch your videos, then you become super uncomfortably loud and the videos you watch are at a comfortable volume, but the volume of you is then super loud ( I find the audio problem is still a problem with or without headphones but it is more of a problem when using headphones to watch your videos) please fix this problem. I enjoy the videos that you upload though keep it up.
You actually missed the series at the end. You can't reach this fellow, shit (fellowship of the ring) I'm too towering (two towers) And everytime I battle It's return of the King (return of the king)
Hey, what anime is on your shirt? I only saw like glimpses of one or two characters and it's really bugging me because I can't think of what they're from.
Nobody can flex on a bar like Tolkien can. The dude _still_ has the highest grossing book sales of all time, served in the British armed forces during World War 1, inspired way too many rock'n' roll and metal bands to count here, and basically created the modern fantasy setting that we know today. Yes, I'm a fan.
There's no dispute, Tolkien literally slaughtered Martin. Martin was saying how Tolkien was predictable, then Tolkien answered: "Newsflash, the genre's called fantasy, it's meant to be unrealistic". Martin said how he's rock'n'roll - then Tolkien answered by hinting how Led Zeppelin wrote entire fucking album based on Tolkien's books. He rebottled Martin's lines. That and also Tolkien stated how his books sale far, far better than Martin's and that his children make tons of money on them to this day. Martin only answered by mentioning HBO and that he's rock'n'roll, which Tolkien then rebottled. And that line about Martin even stealing Tolkien's R.R. was savage, you can't deny that.
Lord of the Rings books and movies lack the "Strong Sexual Content" because the target audience was largely teens and young adults (~12-40). It is designed to be family-friendly. Game of Thrones is not. Family-friendly is fine, and so is adult subject matter. Just my take on Martin's lines about sex in your movies, cast a couple boobies. And the ERB crew may not know this because they aren't a well-known band (at least not in the US), but there is an Irish metal band called Cruachan that did a song titled Sauron (released in 2001) about the evil lord from Lord of the Rings (essentially the titular chararacter). You can check the song out here: th-cam.com/video/UbcHr7FECns/w-d-xo.html
It's not his fault though. Bennioff and Weiss made Season 8. He didn't write for the show since Season 4. Also, as a question, how would this affects his performance in the video?
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fast as hell sumery for the two series my man lord of the rings is a long epic struggle to kill a ghost eyeball thats a cunt... and the game of thrones is all about guys getting brutaly sluaghtered and sexy bitches getting fucked... or killed... or both....
Never seen Lord of the Rings nor Game of Thrones? You should really watch Lord of the Rings.
@@shardinhand1243 pretty much
Note regarding LoTR. To a modern fantasy audience, his work may appear rather cliched. But the thing is Tolkien originated a lot of the tropes that have become so common in the fantasy genre, and uses them a lot better than many authors attempting to emulate him have.
Damn dude, never seen LotR!?
The ERB is amzing. Tolkien won imo. His first verse is one of my favourites in ERB.
@@PriestessOfSlaanesh
-Calls someone else a kid
-Acts like a child
Maybe just realize not everyone likes the same things you do, as a massive LotR fan i can fully see why someone might not care for it. Hell even if they are young and don't care for older things that doesn't mean they care for worthless shit.
How about you be an apparent 'adult' and act like one, and not smear other peoples interests and opinions.
Toga Himiko dude I’m in that age and adore LOTR and Hobbit. I’ve read half the books and seen all the movies multiple times each. Stop being a child like angel said
@@PriestessOfSlaanesh your arguement literally roasts you, you first call him a kid, then call the series old worthless shit... and you act like a child throughout this entire thing...
HMMMMM...
how about you grow up because age is just a number and your knowledge of literary content is absolutely abhorrent... im 21 and i hate the HBO GoT because IT IS a straming pile of trash, on the other hand i find LotR(both books and movies) a much better experience...
@@crustybomb115 well, to be fair from the way you are all typing I would say you were all children or in the age range he gave: but that isn't a bad thing in itself
@@nitrogenbubbles4555 i was just using it as a way to point out how shit his way of thinking about literature is...
Led Zepplin had an ENTIRE ALBUM dedicated to Lord of the Rings.
And Blind Guardian \m/
wrong lol. which one ? :d dont speak bullshit
Yeah which one
A literal "entire album" is probably a bit of a stretch, but Led Zeppelin definitely has enough songs dedicated and/or inspired by Tolkien to make an entire album dedicated to his books. I'm not too familiar with Blind Guardian, I've liked what I've heard of theirs, but don't really know anything about them.
Jake And “nightfall in middle earth” is a blind guardian album entirely about major parts in the silmirilion
For disses, inspiring Zeppelin, shaping the landscape of Fantasy, and actually being a good writer, Tolkien won.
Also really fighting in WW1 helped too.
kerbe3 That’s such an underrated line tbh.
bad what for :(
Implying george is a bad writer..
@@j0hn00arthur he is.
You can't reach this Fellow, shit[*fellowship* of rings] im too towering[two towers], and every time i battle its return of the king
First verse was great, "Tea Baggins my nuts" was hilarious and the battle was really close, but I agree that Tolkien won.
Also you should watch LOTR.
I LOVED that line and it was funny and FIRE in my opinion!
@@michellemccloy823 Still cracks me up.
@@biggusgreenus me too!
"You can't reach this Fellow(ship of the rings)
Shit I'm too towering (Two Towers)
Everytime I battle,
It is the Return of the King.
*shit, I'm too Towering
The reference to "fellowship" of the rings was the "Fellow, shit" part.
Honestly, I don't really get what's so "special" about these lines. Sure, they're references to the books, but in terms of 'ammunition', they're not that relevant.
@@trielt1They're not meant to be disses. They're meant to be lines that hype the rapper up (usually at the expense of their opponent). Kind of like a flex. Since these lines have double meanings (being a hype-verse/flex while referencing the books that gave him his fame in order of their release dates) makes it a cleverer hype-verse/flex than some. How special a person may feel those lines are however is purely subjective.
@@DarkShadowZX I guess I'm just not impressed by them. And I realize they're not meant as disses, they're just.. weak. No real content or wordplay behind them, they're just.. names of books.
trielt1 They aren’t weak - and it’s a double meaning so there is wordplay. Tolkien is hyping himself up through his books. - he’s calling himself a king, the bigger person and he can’t be reached because he’s better
He is so happy and pure
The second he start laughing he fixes my mood
"I've never seen or read Lord of the rings"
I don't know why or how but for some reason I feel betrayed
Terra The Terrible same
me to, this needs to change
Zeppelin's songs "Ramble On", "Misty Mountain Hop" and "Battle Of Evermore" are having LOTR references
Those song are, in fact, completely inspired by LoTR in most ways.
@@AJMC82 stairway to heaven also has LOTR references. "There's a feeling I get when I look to the west,
And my spirit is crying for leaving" " I have seen rings of smoke through the trees,
And the voices of those who stand looking" "Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on" "And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold.
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last.
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll"
@@chrisdirker8715 Led Zeppelin actually denied that the Stairway line refers to Lord of the Rings.
But Evermore (I guess) mentions the Nazgul (Ringwraiths), and they did have Tolkien-inspired material.
Blackbeard vs Al Capone
Che Guevera vs Guy Fawkes!
he did the 2nd one already... would like to see the 1st option tho...
@@crustybomb115 He didn't do Che Guevera? I checked and it's not on his youtube?
@@JS-td8yp same I just checked and don't see it
@@JS-td8yp wierd... i coulda sworn he did it... then again the youtube algorythm must have fucked it up...
"Rap so hard, call me al.. dente"
If you get lost on a erb. They have wiki pages that explains every reference and burn for every verse.
My favourite ERB :D
Tolkien definitely won for me, his raps were both solid in attack and defence, the Book sales line was a great attack, as you noted, and his counter to Martin calling him a 'nerdy little nebbish' being countered by Tolkien calling up Led Zeppelin was also great.
His last few lines were great too, a nod to all of the volumes of LotR:
You can't reach this *Fellow, Shit* (Fellowship of the Ring) I'm *Too Towering* (The Two Towers), every time I battle it's *Return of the King* (Return of the King).
Yes Tolkien, yes it is.
Tolkien's line of the wars was a killer for me. He survived the Great War also known als WW1 & the naming of Led Zeppelin was a finisher.
Tolkein-inspired Led Zeppelin songs: Ramble On, The Battle of Evermore, Over the Hills and Far Away, Misty Mountain Hop, etc.
I can understand not seeing GOT but come on lord of the ring was huge part of our lives.
LotR was such a big deal, our school took us to see the movies when they came out.
Leandros Laertiades Indeed. I'll always remember the majority of students groaning as they waited for the third movie to end, simply because everyone had to use the washroom, but no one would budge until the credits.
And as soon as the credits rolled, everyone charged into the bathrooms.
You should definitely watch lord of the rings. It starts a bit slow but it is amazing. Some really sweet battles and fight scenes, fantastic music and beautifull landscapes and sets.
I haven’t watched or read Lord of the Rings , should I read it or watch it first ?
@@Mayhemm6 Watching is easier to get in.
Lotr movies are good and fairly faithful to the original story, the Hobbit movies are pretty sh*t though
Leviathan
Watch the movies first, then read the books.
@@ToyosatomimiNoThug the Hobbit movies are still better than 80% of your usual Hollywood shlock. and considering the issues the production faced, i think they were still OK
I've got to admit, it was very close.
I'm leaning towards Tolkien, though.
To be fair, I'm very Biased here. Some friends tried
to sell me on A Song of Ice And Fire by saying it was like Tolkien, and... nah.
A ASOIAF is a great story, despite the fandom, if you love LOTR, then you should check ASOIAF. It makes you fall in love in a story all over again.
I completely agree with the person who commented before me. I adore Tolkien and Lotrs was my first fandom and love. Asoiaf is a fantastic book series though with incredibly immersive characters and multiple perspectives, and it really shows the brutality of war. Honestly I love both series and couldn't possibly choose between them. I love how Tolkien's characters are fantastical, while Martin's are starker and amazingly unique between their povs. At least give the book series a chance and if it's not for you, that's cool, but everyone should take the opportunity to expand their current reading/read list.
@@REDANDSILVER741
This rap battle brings up the main reason I can't read ASOIAF: "We all know the world is full of chance and anarchy, so yes it's true to life for characters to die randomly, but news flash: the Genre's called Fantasy! It's meant to be unrealistic you Myopic Manatee!"
If I wanted to be depressed, I'd contemplate my own life, I don't need a book to do that for me. If I'm reading fantasy, I want that happy ending that never happens in real life, where everybody lives and the hero gets the love interest and noone has cause for any negetive emotion. To be honest not even LOTR ends on a completly happy note, Frodo never is the same after carrying the ring for so long and ends up leaving with Bilbo, and the book has that whole battle for the shire that never made it to the movies, making it a bit more grim. Honestly I barely can take that bittersweet pill, there was never a chance i'd even remotely like the books. TV shows are a different matter, don't know why, but I can stand the show, even enjoy it, Only seen the first season, mind you, but I'm trying to watch more.
freddie lewis to each there own, but no one in game of thrones dies “randomly” that’s just a stereotype given by the mainstream audiences. ASOIAF and by extension GOT (except for season 7,8) everything happens for a reason. It’s not like main characters have heart attacks randomly. Every single death has a motive to move the plot where it needs to go naturally. The book treats every choice as a big deal and stupid mistakes can and will get you killed. The Red Wedding was forshadowed for a long time however because of that the real stories of the starks and Jon’s eventual rise of power to protect his people comes into play. Everything is necessary.
There is also so much fantasy in ASOIAF it’s insane. There is definitely all these theories and textual evidence of Ice Dragons, China, and African Content with Dinosaurs and king kong. Shadow demons and religious worshippers of foreign gods. Prophecies that come true in ways you wouldn’t think. And more. This is all intertwined with politics of the story which is never really focused in LOTR. If you can handle real human emotions and decisions that have real consequences then this is a great story.
@@REDANDSILVER741 The point I made wasn't that people die 'randomly', that was just me quoting the rap battle, my problem is that characters that we are given emotional attachment to die at all. In any other fantasy story, Ned Stark would have been a Main Character that survived at least until the end of the story, and not killed in the first book/season.
That is why I can't stand ASOIAF, I don't care whether or not his death had meaning, it doesn't matter, he's dead and that makes it depressing. I neither need or want depressing things in my fantasy books, I have enough of that in the real world.
I see many people say "Martin lost because of Season 8".
You guys do know Bennioff and Weiss made Season 8, not him? He hasn't written for the show since Season 4.
Plus, this video was made years before Season 8.
And even if, wouldn't it make more sense to judge people by their performence?
I might ahve heard wrong, but hasn't Martin actually endorsed Bennioff and Weiss' work and condemned fandom for all the hate?
4:28 This, believe it or not, is one of the big reasons why Lord of the Rings may seem so idealistic. After going through the horrors of war, who wouldn't wish to make a world where peace is possible?
3:21 Pay attention to the back left. Someone feels better now.
...Yeah, ERB truly called this.
My favorite thing in this whole battle is Tolkien taking off the one ring at the start like, nah i won't need this.
Bro just on a side note. . . . .you should really watch Lord of the Rings
All of these fantasy authors are playing in the sandbox that Tolkien built.
George had some really good lines and game of thrones was a really good series but Tolkien’s lines were just a bit better and Lord of The Rings will always remain my favourite fantasy series of all time.
I still really like Columbus vs Kirk even though it was one of the earlier ones, just enjoy how Peter and Lloyd played both characters
Both Martin's and Tolkien's books are better than their respective live-action adaptations.
"Mine's a tale that can't be told
My freedom, I hold dear
Thousand years ago in days of old
When magic filled the air
'Cause in the darkest depths of Mordor, I met a girl so fair
But Gollum, the evil one
Crept up and slipped away with her, her, her, yeah
And there's nothing I can do, no"-excerpt from the lyrics of Ramble On by Led Zeppelin, there's other Tolkien references in a bunch of their songs.
Hope you do the one I suggested first Rick Grimes vs Walter White
J.R.R. Tolkien fought in World War I while George R.R. Martin dodged the draft during Vietnam
I appreciate your honesty in explaining what you know and what you don't.
Jeeze man, this is my favorite youtube channel by far. Grew up without a dad and my grandfather died when I was young... so this takes me to a rare place where I feel that close male connection. You're irreplaceable Spazzyboy.
Its an old one but Dr Seuss vs Shakespeare is my fav ERP of all time
You know this is why I enjoy your reactions, you knew so little between the two but you knew so many reference and even taught me about some I didn’t know (zeppelin) I appreciate this video and thank you!
Martin won for me. Tolkien didn't seem to unique in his rapping or lyricism. He just sounded like an old guy making fun of someone else's weight without having actual criticism of his opponent as a writer.
My favorite ERB.
Nice, been wanting this reaction for awhile now.
Tolkin even invented usable languages! Plus he made great stories even kids could get into. No need for perverted text to make it interesting.
I always vote for Tolkien because without him we wouldn't have had the inspiration for Dungeon & Dragons 🎲🎲 ✊ nerd power
Tolkien is number 1 and 2 on book sale if you count the lord of the rings as a single book rather than as three separate books, counted separately he would actually be the author of the 4 best selling books of all time.
Always love seeing your reactions to these videos man, I can't wait to see you react to all of em!
Example of absolutely clear references to LoTR by Led Zeppelin: "Ramble On".
Hey, just a heads up on one of the lines. its "my kids are making millions on my Silmarillions" The back story on that is Toklien was writhing the WHOLE back story for middile earth and how things got to were they are in the hobbet/LOTR but died before he could finished so his kids finished it and published it for there dad. Its got some really good stories in it.
I absolutely love the battle, but for all their research they probably couldnt find the actual rifle JRR Tolkien would have used in WW1 (A SMLE Mk4 No1) and just subbed it with an Italian-made Vitterli Vitali M1871 they had on hand.
Gotta see the Season 6 ones: Wolverine vs Freddy Krueger, Guy Fawkes vs Che Guevara, Ronald McDonald vs Burger King
You never read LoTR??????? I don't know what to do with my hands right now.
Tons of people haven't. I bet you've never seen a live theatre of MacBeth but that's a classic. Wow, I don't know what to do with my hands. Sorry lol don't mean to sound like a dick but some people just don't really care about LOTR which is fine. I'm sure they'd like it overall if they saw it but they probably just don't care to.
Watch LotR, sir! It's the best trilogy ever in movie history!!! Then rewatch this battle again.
🙌🙌🙌
Close one between Lotr and Godfather. I know, hardly comparable, but still.
@@Morgan_Black Meh Godfather sequels weren't that good.
"The Battle of Evermore", "Ramble On", "Misty Mountain Hop", and "Bron-Y-Aur Stomp" are the songs.
Saw this in my recommended & clicked immediately. Finally, you are doing my favorite ERB! (love the music, the lyrics, and the makeup/costumes)
You kinda scared me with your intro, but don't worry, you did just fine!
I'd say Martin made a VERY good showing for himself, but Tolkien blew him out of the water regardless.
"You're a pirate. You even stole my 'R' 'R'!" (or should I say Aarrrr, Aaarrr, since we are talking pirates) All while doing the American Sign Language gesture for the letter R. Works on so many levels.
Tolkein won. I also just finished the LotR trilogy for the first time and it’s so much better than GoT
Zeppelin explicitly namedrop Gollum in "Ramble On," and "Misty Mountain Hop" is named after a LotR location. And those are just the explicit ones.
I just watched and read Lotr last year for the first time and never watched GoT either so far, so you are not alone in this, Curtis!
Bofur was actually not a name invented by Tolkien. It's a found in Norse mythology dwarfs, along with Thorin, Fili, Kili and Gandalf. I'm not surprised ERB is unaware of this, but I think it would've been better for them to use Tolkien's naming conventions as a rebuttal to his accusations of plagiarism.
The Led Zeppelin song "Ramble on" references Lord of the Rings
Do the one with guy fawks and che guevera
>don't know either
Know that Tolkien is vastly superior both in his work and his person (consider looking into his life **shell shock from World War I played a part of a certain bog**).
Didnt Tolkien deny that the war had influence?
I mean...Its highly unlikely. The way he describes Frodos Trauma and his suffering once he returned sounds alot like World War 1 Vets. And one of the most famous lines "You shall not Pass" is ripped straight from the Battle of Verdun.
So who knows really...
You look like Thanos 😁
Love your videos man, you have great knowledge, I've never seen any other reactors with this much knowledge.
Having read many of Tolkien’s letters from the collection, Tolkien wouldn’t have went after Martin in this manner, he would write scathing letters with everything he had wrong with Martin to his friend Milton waldmen
Led Zeppelin's Ramble On has several LOTR references
Chris Andras And the obvious Misty Mountain Hop.
Hey check out Princess Rap Battles by Whitney Avalon as well, I suggest Mary Poppins Vs Mrs. Claus
They're just as good as ERBS
Hi, love the ERB reactions, please do William Shakespear vs Dr.Seuss :D
I appreciate the warning. It was not disappointing. A lot of other reactors don’t understand anything and it’s really disappointing. But you sir are the exception.
Also I hope you do doc brown vs doctor who soon
OMG
LORD OF THE RINGS REACTION, PLEASE CURTIS! PLEASE! I'VE NEVER MET ANYONE THAT HASN'T SEEN LORD OF THE RINGS TO EVEN ASK FOR A REACTION. PLEASE DO A REACTION!
I would have asked for it much sooner, but I would have never guessed that you hadn't seen them before.
EDIT: I can't be any more serious about this. I'll up my pledge by $50 for next month for it. I would do more, I just can't afford it. It would be amazing, and it wouldn't even take up much time, since they are movies, and not a series.
Game of Thrones would also be a good reaction, but, as it does span nearly 80 hours, I can understand avoiding that one. Plus, IMO, it's no where near the quality of Lord of the Rings.
My mans is on that 2 am ERB marathon
Tolkien wins this hands down. He's the father of modern fantasy. Martin is fantastic but he's not on Tolkien's level
"All your bad guys die and your good guys survive."
[SPOILER ALERT]
Hey, that's almost exactly what happened in The Long Night, so I guess Benioff & Weiss are more J.R.R. Tolkien than George R.R. Martin. George didn't write it at that point, but it is what happened in post-Red Wedding GoT.
Just to expand on the Led Zeppelin thing, it's interesting how many metal bands that were also inspired by Tolkein, the most obvious ones being Burzum (the morgul word for darkness) Gorgoroth, (a place in Mordor) and Blind Guardian, who had a song about The Hobbit (The Bard's Song - The Hobbit) a song about The Lord of the Rings (The Lord of the Rings) and an entire album about The Silmarillion (Nightfall in Middle Earth.)
Anyway, I agree that Tolkein won this one. Kind of surprised you didn't comment on the line about WWI and Vietnam (Tolkein was a WWI veteran while Martin was a conscientious objector.)
Could you do Shakespeare vs Dr Seuss?
Great reaction man 👍
3:17 when I first opened the Hub
“Never seen or read lord of the rings”...
The prophets have betrayed us Tartarus
Both had good flow, but Tolkien’s resume just tramples Martin:
- Inspired practically every fantasy writer after him, including Martin himself
- Continues to hold the top spots for best selling books even decades after his death
- Was one of the chief influences for Led Zeppelin, one of the top selling bands of all times
- Has a reputation for not only exceedingly good (albeit thorough) writing, but also fantastic world building to a ludicrously high level of detail
- Used his experience as a soldier in WW1 for his writings
They even leave out one of the best things Tolkien has ever done:
Before WW2, the German Propaganda office mailed Tolkien asking him if he was Aryan. Tolkien replies with an essay describing that not only was the term “Aryan” actually used for the Indus River Valley civilization and had NOTHING to do with Germany, but also that Hitler should go fuck himself
Tolkien went hard as fuck
All your good guys survive? Ever read the silmarrilion? The children of Hurin? I could go on.
Led Zeppelin had like an entire album , some of his songs were literally translations of Elvish poems out of Elvish language into English
Tolkien>Martin in both real life and this Epic Rap Battle :) Fun reaction.
Led Zeppelin straight reference LOTR.
Gollum, the Nazgul, Modor are direct topics they sang about.
Ramble On, Misty Mountain Hop, Battle of Evermore, are there I can think of of the top of my head. I feel like there was alot more peppered throughout the other albums too.
I seem to remember in an interview that the band liked to sit around and play D&D backstage and on tour, which was of course heavily influenced by LOtR
Oh, and Tolkien won this. If not for him there would be no modern fantasy genre. Every video game, tabletop game, RPG, George RR, and Harry Potter are all inspired by the characters and the world that Tolkien created.
4:06 not sure if it ever got mentioned, but tolkien is even using ASL for 'R'.
Lord of the Rings is easily one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) trilogies ever. Modern films struggle to reach the heights LoTR.
Nice video. 😀FYI the video audio of most of the videos you are watching on your channel are significantly quieter then yourself and because of this I have to turn the volume up on every device I use to watch your videos, then you become super uncomfortably loud and the videos you watch are at a comfortable volume, but the volume of you is then super loud ( I find the audio problem is still a problem with or without headphones but it is more of a problem when using headphones to watch your videos) please fix this problem. I enjoy the videos that you upload though keep it up.
So it's settled, Curtis you need to react to Game of Thrones. It's a great show with a huge following.
This wasnt a battle, it was a king showing why he is the king.
You actually missed the series at the end.
You can't reach this fellow, shit (fellowship of the ring)
I'm too towering (two towers)
And everytime I battle
It's return of the King (return of the king)
Ramble On has specific lyrics about Mordor and Gollum.
Guevara vs guy plz or Santa vs Moses
Season 5 premiere starring two fantasy writers
React to Erb Jack the Ripper VS Hannibal Lecter
@Zuhur Omar Ok
Hey, what anime is on your shirt? I only saw like glimpses of one or two characters and it's really bugging me because I can't think of what they're from.
We need to get some LOTR sponsored on the goosh! With a timer of course. Maybe broken into segments since he's a busy guy.
I feel like this is the erb where the winner is whoevers series you love more
I LOVE THIS VIDEO
Curtis, no video with you could be a disappointment. you are our reaction grampa and we love you.
Nobody can flex on a bar like Tolkien can. The dude _still_ has the highest grossing book sales of all time, served in the British armed forces during World War 1, inspired way too many rock'n' roll and metal bands to count here, and basically created the modern fantasy setting that we know today.
Yes, I'm a fan.
There's no dispute, Tolkien literally slaughtered Martin.
Martin was saying how Tolkien was predictable, then Tolkien answered: "Newsflash, the genre's called fantasy, it's meant to be unrealistic". Martin said how he's rock'n'roll - then Tolkien answered by hinting how Led Zeppelin wrote entire fucking album based on Tolkien's books. He rebottled Martin's lines.
That and also Tolkien stated how his books sale far, far better than Martin's and that his children make tons of money on them to this day. Martin only answered by mentioning HBO and that he's rock'n'roll, which Tolkien then rebottled. And that line about Martin even stealing Tolkien's R.R. was savage, you can't deny that.
ramble on is one of their Lotr inspired songs
Best rap battle. Im waiting to see your reaction :3
3:38 Tolkien was all for the win.
Led Zeppelin admitted that many of their lyrics were based on the Lord of the Rings trilogy
Lord of the Rings books and movies lack the "Strong Sexual Content" because the target audience was largely teens and young adults (~12-40). It is designed to be family-friendly. Game of Thrones is not. Family-friendly is fine, and so is adult subject matter. Just my take on Martin's lines about sex in your movies, cast a couple boobies.
And the ERB crew may not know this because they aren't a well-known band (at least not in the US), but there is an Irish metal band called Cruachan that did a song titled Sauron (released in 2001) about the evil lord from Lord of the Rings (essentially the titular chararacter). You can check the song out here:
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Ramble On by Led Zep was the big song that was inspired by LotR.
This one’s super cool too. Tolkien absolutely won
Given what happened to Game of Thrones, we can all agree that Martin lost this one.
It's not his fault though. Bennioff and Weiss made Season 8. He didn't write for the show since Season 4.
Also, as a question, how would this affects his performance in the video?