Was about to post that too, "he changed his name because he was being target banned every game" Which is funny because everyone at the time was either "Penny is terrible" or "Penny is annoyingly broken"
4:30 Fun fact: The webs don't have to be physically connecting for the spider mines to travel across them! There's a bit of leeway in the gaps between webs. I've tested this in the practice range and it's pretty forgiving.
@@airu7342youre part of the problem, widow has good mobility a better cc and hitscan but just because she doesn't do as much damage as hawkeye everyone thinks shes ass. Ive seen plenty of good widows like luna... I forgot her username but she posts vids of her in diamond with widow and shes good. In general if theres a otp in your lobby theyre character is good enough to be there if they weren't they would lose and derank. No such thing as a throwpick in a game with comp
exactly, no point in not chasing them down on low health if their healers died and your grapple move has a 3s cooldown. Grapple in, kill, grapple out, smooth.
@@gilbertfry5539 he means before the team fight it's because Peni's mines WILL come back down so if you practice how to lob the mines you can make them land across map so you can catch people either retreating while being on attack or while they're coming back from spawn while you're on defense.
Luna main here. I love having Peni on my team as a tank. She doesn't need pocket healing as badly so I'm less likely to run into situations where the instant I stop healing the tank they die and we wipe, and all the webs make it a nightmare for enemy flankers giving me plenty of space to work in myself. Even if she only manages to put webs and mines in our own backline, that still helps me a ton and everyone knows how important it is to have your Luna live. Pretty much exactly the same reasons why I HATE Hulk on my team. Does nothing for our backline, dies instantly even through heavy pocket healing and forces me to take risky angles just to keep him up for 2 more seconds. That applies probably more to your "standard" peni rather than the aggressively flanking style shown here, but even flanking peni is less needy than a Hulk, and when we push in to meet her there's still going to be spaces left over for me to heal from more safely.
thank you for being one of the few healer mains that actually runs through the webs when you get dived 😂 every diver is so greedy for kills that they’ll willingly walk through 300+ burst damage just to keep LOS on you
Pretty much, I have been one tricking peni to gm the webs are the best survival kit she has, the only time you will need a healer on you is when the whole enemy push into your setup and get you low, besides that the drone and mines keeps flankers in check making the supports have safer space to heal the main tank which is the main frontline, thus granting both the tank and the supports benefit
@@onepunchbro that's so interesting, because I went from being a Peni main to a C&D main. There must be something similar about their play style that makes them both appealing to the same type of players!
Hi Emongg, here's something you might not know about Peni's right-click! While the projectile is in the air, it actually swallows all enemy projectiles that touch it. It can be kinda used like Dva's DM to save allies and stuff like that.
wait all projectiles? i knew this worked for like an iron man ult, but say if there was a punisher turret shooting at me, i could use the right click as a wall? o-o
@@ScorchedEclipse You absolutely can use it against punisher turret shooting at you. Granted, it won't do anything to the turret or punisher, but it will block any bullets from it for its short duration. Do it all the time, and it gives you a half second window for you and others to not take damage while shooting it down.
@@temiasmercurial593 ohh shoot thaat's actually sick, wait, can her right click work on mag ult too or similar things that a cap shield or strange shield can block LMAO
@@ScorchedEclipse Yes, you can block both Mag Ult and Iron Man Ult with Peni right click. You just need to time it right so that the explosion doesn't hit you.
@ actually no! I Magneto's ult doesn't behave like a projectile in this sense, it behaves like the net itself. So Mag's ult will actually swallow Peni's net (and similarly, other projectiles as well). But it does work against Ironman's ult. It will swallow it in the air. One notable use for the net is to counter Hela's ult! You can eat 3 of Hela's attacks during her ult by throwing the net at her at the right time, which can significantly mess up her ult. I like to stand still and shoot at the Hela to make her look at me so it's easier for me to time the nets and counter her attacks!
One big tip that helped me a lot on Peni is that the regen bonus from standing in webs stacks based on how many you have layered. Lay down 3 webs on top of each other while standing near your nest and it'll keep you at 800 health unless your under a lot of pressure. Edit: Only works for bonus health above 650 hp, you can't heal yourself any faster with it but it'll fill your bonus health way quicker. Thanks commenters for pointing that out
@@CillersFan Yea that's a good point I should have mentioned that, you only get 25hp per second until you're at full hp no matter how many webs you're standing in. The difference is noticeable as soon as you hit the threshold. Great note!
@CillersFan I tested it myself. *It's only bonus health.* If you are on 4 webs it will be 25h/s from 1 to 650 health but 100h/s for the 150 bonus health generation. Really not worth stacking them. Might be a bug, one way or the other. I tested it on the practice range timing the regen from 50 to 650, 50 to 800, and 650 to 800.
One thing you need to pay attention to is what your grapple angle is. You can totally grapple a wall ahead of time, strafe peak around the wall at range, and then let the grapple zip you back because of the spring force from the grapple that automatically retracts you. Doing this allows you to preserve your web count (on the left hand side) while also not wasting another grapple cooldown because it's already engaged. This lets you get an automatic zip back to the grapple web node while also letting you use a grapple immediately afterward. It also makes you way harder to track because the retraction velocity is super fast and the enemy doesn't expect you do just fling yourself immediately. Think of it like how Spider-man uses his webslinging consecutively. So many lower tier Peni players don't use the grapple web right and they lose out on so much escapes and angling. You are essentially using less of your web counters while also doing the same actions per 1 cooldown and motion rather than wasting 2 web counters and 2 cooldowns.
You can also attach pretty high to a wall and then let the Web bounce you up whenever you need it, either to quickly bounce around high and low grounds or to bounce up behind a cover. Not necessarily the most practical thing in high ranks I guess, but super funny to just become a self healing bouncing spider :)
5:10 The nest wasnt on cooldown. He manually disabled it before it took damage. It looked like the Groot was trying to go at it. The nest gets a bigger cooldown the more damage it took so if you know its going to be destroyed its better to prematurely detonate for faster redeployment.
5:09 it’s not that he has the nest back on cooldown, it’s that Peni’s nest has no cooldown if you DONT damage the nest before destroying it; which is only really possible as Groot with his walls. This is why when playing as Groot into Peni you always want to get some damage on the nest first before walling it otherwise it does nothing.
i had no clue! when i play peni and i know someone has a good chance of breaking my nest i usually just take it down myself really quick to make them think they broke it but then i just reposition it right away. if they have a dive comp they’ll usually be like “nest is down”, only for me to have my nest back up again. this really messes them up bc they’ll push thinking i don’t have the nest and then i just cook them.
@@cherishloveart they beep before they trigger so you can either invincibility frames it (Starlord or C&D as example), bubble it (Magneto, Hulk), or dash past it (Thor, Psylock), or destroy it (Groot wall), or shield it (Cap, or Strange just make sure you don't rush in or the mines go off behind shield).....basically there are a ton of ways to counter it if you don't rush in so just kill the Peni or her nest first so the big web is gone. Peni's hard counters are Groot, Thor, Squirrel Girl, Moonknight, and Cap. You can also include fliers like Starlord, Storm, and Ironman but they usually have other targets besides you and they are squishy so you can shoot them down.
@@savantslacker9117 these counters are unnecessarily specific. Almost every character with a decently fast melee can hit the mines before they detonate when they jump. You can react to it as long as you remember there might be mines
This is a really good learning tool for sure. As someone who enjoys playing peni but isn't that great with her, this really taught me a lot that i need to work on and things i didn't know about her, like the webs connecting the mines so they can travel
There are quite a few spots like 10:16 that are highly defense-able locations with unbreakable walls that penni strives in. The main issue is by controlling that space and hoping for the enemy team to walk in to fight you, the enemy team can push a different side and just kill the rest of your team.
yeah, that's why you have to properly learn to be aggressive and annoying enough to backline that they feel scared pushing forward because you're still hanging out behind them
Its always worth going for though just for area denial. If you notice your team is getting run down and the enemy team’s already passed your webs, dont be afraid to just break your nest and retreat to the next “safe spot”, or ult and try to farm a few kills with the homing mines youve built up.
That's what I always notice in some "high level" streamers regarding Peni. They always think that anyone can just destroy the nest or avoid the mines, but a good Peni player will simply not allow that. Nest are out of sight with webs extending it's reach, mines are in key locations where you can't just "avoid" them, you either set the mines off or you simply don't play the game. As a Veteran TF2 Engineer and currently GM Peni player, she really shines when you stop playing a shooter and start playing an RTS
23:36 in the settings for penny, there is a sensitivity slider for her webs to reattach. You couldn’t swing up, because it was reattaching the tether to an existing web. Turn it all the way down to avoid it reattaching as much as possible.
Seeing the number 1 Peni use the Nest spot on attack that i also use is so satisfying. Makes me feel like im actually using the character to its full potential. wow thats awesome
as a penny player this video was really insightful! just a tiny correction. mines are what you throw and they don't travel. then you have spiders which get produced by your base thingy and they do travel across connected webs.
Peni isn't the best at offense but you can definitely make it work. On maps like Klyntar and Spider Islands, there's really good flanking routes. Peni is amazing at defense, so if you're able to turn your offense into defense (i.e. you lock down an area and force enemies to come to you), that's where you're able to shine. What I love to do is flank behind and drop mines onto the backline and that can usually get one of their healers down easily. You'd be surprised at how little people pay attention to the mines. It's all about creating an off-angle and forcing the enemy team to pay attention to you. You don't create space by being frontline, you create space by disrupting, but this is super reliant on who your other tank is and how they play. I OTP'd to GM with Peni and offensive Peni still works like a charm.
Around the 5 minuet mark that "worked so hard to kill that and now it is off cooldown" I'm not sure if you noted Groot using a wall to remove the nest. When Groot walls the nest the next has no damage and goes into the 0 cooldown it normally has. I guess because the game reads Walls as terrain breaking it? Because the same thing happens when the cart/sled/statue runs it over. If Nest takes HP damage that is what increases the cooldown.
Not only can they not see Peni mines in the webs, they actually can't destroy them. Its really hard area denial that I guess could be baited out but thats difficult to do, especially when you dont actually know where the mines are.
23:58 How to Peni Parker Ult 1. Start it from the nest web 2. Stand on nest web for a couple seconds before rushing out (You stack extra drones from ult) 3. Go straight to back line (if you can avoid wasting drones on tanks and save the nuke for supports) 4. Once in backline, Alternate Left Click -> Right Click (Left click does a good chunk and pops them in the air and often they land on the mine)
True but it also will only keep the nest on cooldown for how much damage it took. If groot only walls it to break it, then the nest took 0 dmg and has a 0 second cooldown. If he damages it beforehand and then walls it, it’ll use the damage taken to give you a longer cooldown
The test he did in quick play is exactly how like more than half of my matches go because my team can’t hold their own while I’m locking down key points and poking lol
Few more pro tips You get max 3 webs on ground, if web connects with enemy, 3rd web stays. You get a total of 15-16 mines per minute Don’t shoot mines on objects that can be destroyed (groot walls, namor octopus, damage walls, etc). They will go away if item is destroyed. “Stacked” mines do more “instant” damage, but a trail of mines is very useful as well. “Stacked” mines: put at doorways “Trailed” mines: put in tight corners leading up to your nest. If needing a quick heal, use O not L1 for your web. Try to use special with nest (as shown in video) DONT FORGET she can climb and zip! Her movement is one of the best! If teamed up with venom. It’s best to use team ability right after your special or use when enemies too close to your nest.
YOU ARE an absolute legend when it comes to the Shark class in Mega Walls, I mean, who else could possibly dominate like that? Blood Rage? Please, when theseal12 activates it, the whole server can feel the wave of terror, as they sprint around the map like a feral beast on a mission. Enemies must literally drown in fear, knowing that one dip in the water and they’ll be out of their depth... literally. Shark’s a class, but for you, it’s practically a superpower. Maybe next time, we’ll see them casually swim through lava for fun. That’s how on another level you are!
The healing from webs also stack. Usually you're going to want to use them for concealing mines, but in a pinch you can throw down your webswing and webshoot together. Each stack of web gives 25hp/s. You can have 3 webs out at once and with the spidernest you can sit in 4 webs to get 100hp/s. It's kind of crazy. Even just throwing down your webswing defensively at your feet when you're about to get pushed to save your web/snare for CC can up your survivability.
As a hulk main good peni players mines is so tilting, i know i supposed to break it and i try to. Even spam mark it but no one wants to destroy it or attempt to. Not to mention its insane peni can stun you for dirt cheap cooldown time while other characters cooldowns is much longer
Im a penny main, and the right click is honestly the most valuable part of her kit ive use it in a game to completely shut down strange, scarlet witch, and Iron Mans ult all game if you learn the timing most ults in the game can either be stopped or shortened with that one 3 second cool down web.
7 mins in you can set a cyber bond on the ceiling off of their view if they use claok an daggers bubble or any kind of Aura that staggers damage in a spot where you can just bounce nonstop while spraying mines and shooting. you can also use your WASD keys to extend the cyber bond into directions so you don't get hurt as much and the cyber bond heals you super slow and keeps your extra shield. just for aerial views or when their push is to hard to counter. like 7:40 would be good to web backwards where he was but on the ceiling behind the 2nd story post on the left but forward enough to see the lane on the very height of the bounce.. so now he can set mines near the back. if they hard push you just stay near the mines or if your falling back and a mele hero tries to kill you just set a hive in a good spot and shoot/mine/trap her inside the hive.
I feel like it’s a balance between play styles. I do some of the things this Peni did (admittedly not all of them) and have had good value. But if the opposing team is just a straight run it mid brawl comp I believe just standardish front lining isn’t a terrible thing to do.
Peni is real bad at frontlining vs other tanks since she has no defensive mitigation options. It's probably best to pick somebody else if you want to frontline vs a brawl comp
Peni is so freaking underrated dude. I made a new account for learning tanks and the first game I played as her I went 29 and 0 and my first competitive match I played as her I went 31 and 4. Soooo easy to use compared to other tanks imo, and got me to understand how to play tanks better because of how versatile you gotta play with peni specifically.
Only issue i had with this peni is the initial setup of the mines. I find that it's most of the time optimally better to set up the trap, not nest, in that front side room because the enemy has a tendency to come through it in effort to control the map. Realky good to take out flankers early
Ive been putting my spider nest in that first location since before I saw pro's do it, mainly because it seemed like a god tier spot and is next to a health spot. Then run to the building on the other side and lay traps at at the doors.
22:10 you also can web the walls of the area youre standing on to connect to the floor and the spiders will run up/down the wall to still killl. Nobody ever mentions that.
I play Peni Parker quite a bit but watching this guy move around and his tactics is pretty interesting I didn't realize she could hunt down and kill healers like that I need to look for more opportunities, I feel like she is good against Ironman and Storm if she is on a web because she can strafe them in such a way they can't really get away from her shots without making violent movements
@ 5:20 some nice attention to detail that it's only Peni's body knocked out, not a copy of the mech! I do a ton of mine trap stuff, I usually place it on a verticle surface though, so they don't see it as they come around the corner, wonder if I'm doing it right or if I'm missing hits/kills that way?
but how does one get past them? I try jumping over, that does nothing. I try going close enough to activate them and move away before they harm me, but by the time i have done that, my team is half dead on the other side or something. Surely there is a counter?
the big groot wall is called Ironwood, not iron will. also, it gives bonus health each time he does damage while he's within 20m. So it's not a flat amount of health, it's each time he does damage up to a max of 1100 or 1200 iirc. if you ever see a groot not using it to block, that's why. you hide it, stay close, and live forever
Penni is strong because you’re basically a pest you get value if you’re not dealt with. Which forces the enemy team to make a decision take the 6v5 or take the 6v1, if they peel to the Penni they sacrifice point. So in short she’s really strong.
Don’t forget those webs are like groot wall and that’s where you get you’re survivability. If you’re trying to contest I’d try wall climbing and grappling down on the ground. Of course this depends on timings and how fast you need to get there and when your teammates are getting back One thing I wish someone would test is do you get double healing for double stacking webs
What I really want is a little bit about how you managed to find the vod. I know you used that website to find who was the best player but what were the steps after that point? Were you just lucky that the best Penni didn't have a hidden profile? When I was trying to find high level Magik vods all the players had hidden their match history and trying to find other players that had been in games with them was also a struggle because they would get matched from outside of top 500 which to my knowledge is all the leaderboard displays in game. If you are trying to learn a meta hero it's no problem but if anyone has tips on finding games of the lesser played characters I would appreciate it.
There are tracker websites that will show match history for players, regardless of whether it’s private in game I believe. Rivalsmeta has that feature, and if you click on a players match results, it will also have a replay code. It might be a new feature, because I was doing it the same way you were until I saw this vid and checked
@@jasster8 That's what I was missing then. I knew that you could look up any game if you had a replay code but I didn't see it when I was looking so was trying to find games I wanted to spectate through brute force. Ended up with a lot of pointless reviews because the only replay I could find was a quickplay and while top players will still play different I doubt they are really trying that hard vs mid diamonds in a qp. I remember a match where the player afked on point at least three times and was never punished for it. Even in silver and gold I can't get away with that.
11:15 My first time playing on that map I was very confused because I thought we had half of the map or a little more to explore. A few matches later in this map I'm STILL confused about where it ends, so I end up using my abilities and ults either too early or I end up holding on to them 😅.
So I have to call out this great play here. 4:55 Groot's wall can insta destroy Peni's bot generator. CringeAlarm noticed Groot pushing in to destroy it, so CringeAlarm removed it right before Groot can destroy it, and suffered no cooldown for it.
The amount of damage it takes, dictates the cooldown, so that play is actually negligible. Groot wall doesn't do damage to it so you can instantly put it back, and removing it early doesn't help. I still think its a decent play for Groots because you can see the mines on the ground for a second before she places it again, or you could damage it a few times and then groot wall it. If Peni removes it the cooldown will still be by how much damage it took.
Yeah Peni is a trap and area denial hero. Use your nest to hunker down in an area of interest and try to force players to feed trying to get to you. Good to see Peni getting some light shown on her. She is not a bad tank but a different tank.
I think peni is very strange, she stomps in low elo, then around diamond-plat she falls off hard since people know how to play as a team and rush down mid, then gets higher value in highest play since they try to play off angles and peni can deny that
People are wary of webs placed in front of a door like a welcoming mat but a lot less suspicious of webs that are just "randomly" on the floor or on a wall as a lot of Peni players just spam that stun and end up missing some of em so small webs end up splattered all over the place. Since the enemy team can't see mines placed in webs.....well as they say: out of sight, out of mind.
This is good to know. i really like penni but I didn't want to waste my time if she was trash at high level. I just assumed everyone would always destroy the nest and not run over the mines.
I never played Penni since everything I watched always said she wasn't good. But, when I finally tried her when I got to silver 1 I totally dominated some defence games. Definitely has her time & place
Tag me pls, also if you wanna do a vid where i coach you 1 on 1 ingame would be super cool
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The Man the Myth the Legend ^^ The man this ENTIRE VIDEO IS ABOUT !
Such a fan of your Peni plays. Your amazing. Also I love how you change your names because people saw your name and out of fear ban your character.
my favorite rocket otp
Why are OTP in this game, some of the chillest players.
His name is cringealarm the Penni changed his name cause people target banned him so much
Was about to post that too, "he changed his name because he was being target banned every game"
Which is funny because everyone at the time was either "Penny is terrible" or "Penny is annoyingly broken"
Yup. I played against him 3 days ago and I got mopped by the penny lol
Gonna glaze here but they play Penni so differently and unpredictable that’s what separates his Penni from the rest it’s crazy
And changed it to rocket otp. What a big brain move 😂😂
I really don't get why they don't hide usernames to prevent target bans
4:30 Fun fact: The webs don't have to be physically connecting for the spider mines to travel across them! There's a bit of leeway in the gaps between webs. I've tested this in the practice range and it's pretty forgiving.
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Yea it's about 1 meter give or take, been using it to bait dive heavy tanks
Really?? That's awesome!
Yes because the webs are like a circle not what the visual yellow spider web actual shows ..
I been being so strict with it and I started realizing you didn’t need to and when you do that, you get a bit more distance
I'm loving how Flats is so against the idea of Peni being a solid hero while Emongg is embracing it.
You can have a top tier streamer and still have a character be just ok.
Proof that everyone yelling at you for playing the hero you are good at instead of whatever they think is meta are wrong.
@@paulakroy2635Peni is better than "just okay".
@@jaegybomb unless your name is not kenzo and you're playing widow
@@airu7342youre part of the problem, widow has good mobility a better cc and hitscan but just because she doesn't do as much damage as hawkeye everyone thinks shes ass. Ive seen plenty of good widows like luna... I forgot her username but she posts vids of her in diamond with widow and shes good. In general if theres a otp in your lobby theyre character is good enough to be there if they weren't they would lose and derank. No such thing as a throwpick in a game with comp
Important to note how aggressive he is harrying the squishy characters. If one retreats low he uses his sling to chase and finish.
exactly, no point in not chasing them down on low health if their healers died and your grapple move has a 3s cooldown. Grapple in, kill, grapple out, smooth.
It's what I do too ^^
There is another guy named “premo", although he is not currently in top 500 but he is peni demon. His lineups of mines are insane
I love that guy. i got kills even before round started once and enemies were so confused
@@somerandomguy3251 how
@@gilbertfry5539 he means before the team fight it's because Peni's mines WILL come back down so if you practice how to lob the mines you can make them land across map so you can catch people either retreating while being on attack or while they're coming back from spawn while you're on defense.
@@FlyXcur yeah but how do you get kills before the round starts and the door opens
Premos Penni Artillery strat. Bro launches them across the map😅
Luna main here. I love having Peni on my team as a tank. She doesn't need pocket healing as badly so I'm less likely to run into situations where the instant I stop healing the tank they die and we wipe, and all the webs make it a nightmare for enemy flankers giving me plenty of space to work in myself. Even if she only manages to put webs and mines in our own backline, that still helps me a ton and everyone knows how important it is to have your Luna live.
Pretty much exactly the same reasons why I HATE Hulk on my team. Does nothing for our backline, dies instantly even through heavy pocket healing and forces me to take risky angles just to keep him up for 2 more seconds.
That applies probably more to your "standard" peni rather than the aggressively flanking style shown here, but even flanking peni is less needy than a Hulk, and when we push in to meet her there's still going to be spaces left over for me to heal from more safely.
thank you for being one of the few healer mains that actually runs through the webs when you get dived 😂 every diver is so greedy for kills that they’ll willingly walk through 300+ burst damage just to keep LOS on you
As a C&D main , I wish I had good Peni(s) on my team but I never get one , so I decided to main her myself
A great hulk is always better for the team than a great peni
Pretty much, I have been one tricking peni to gm the webs are the best survival kit she has, the only time you will need a healer on you is when the whole enemy push into your setup and get you low, besides that the drone and mines keeps flankers in check making the supports have safer space to heal the main tank which is the main frontline, thus granting both the tank and the supports benefit
@@onepunchbro that's so interesting, because I went from being a Peni main to a C&D main. There must be something similar about their play style that makes them both appealing to the same type of players!
Hi Emongg, here's something you might not know about Peni's right-click! While the projectile is in the air, it actually swallows all enemy projectiles that touch it. It can be kinda used like Dva's DM to save allies and stuff like that.
wait all projectiles? i knew this worked for like an iron man ult, but say if there was a punisher turret shooting at me, i could use the right click as a wall? o-o
@@ScorchedEclipse You absolutely can use it against punisher turret shooting at you. Granted, it won't do anything to the turret or punisher, but it will block any bullets from it for its short duration. Do it all the time, and it gives you a half second window for you and others to not take damage while shooting it down.
@@temiasmercurial593 ohh shoot thaat's actually sick, wait, can her right click work on mag ult too or similar things that a cap shield or strange shield can block LMAO
@@ScorchedEclipse Yes, you can block both Mag Ult and Iron Man Ult with Peni right click. You just need to time it right so that the explosion doesn't hit you.
@ actually no! I Magneto's ult doesn't behave like a projectile in this sense, it behaves like the net itself. So Mag's ult will actually swallow Peni's net (and similarly, other projectiles as well). But it does work against Ironman's ult. It will swallow it in the air.
One notable use for the net is to counter Hela's ult! You can eat 3 of Hela's attacks during her ult by throwing the net at her at the right time, which can significantly mess up her ult. I like to stand still and shoot at the Hela to make her look at me so it's easier for me to time the nets and counter her attacks!
One big tip that helped me a lot on Peni is that the regen bonus from standing in webs stacks based on how many you have layered. Lay down 3 webs on top of each other while standing near your nest and it'll keep you at 800 health unless your under a lot of pressure.
Edit: Only works for bonus health above 650 hp, you can't heal yourself any faster with it but it'll fill your bonus health way quicker. Thanks commenters for pointing that out
I've heard this only makes the bonus health faster, so it only helps if you are at ≥650 health. You know if that's true?
@@CillersFan Yea that's a good point I should have mentioned that, you only get 25hp per second until you're at full hp no matter how many webs you're standing in. The difference is noticeable as soon as you hit the threshold.
Great note!
@CillersFan I tested it myself.
*It's only bonus health.*
If you are on 4 webs it will be 25h/s from 1 to 650 health but 100h/s for the 150 bonus health generation.
Really not worth stacking them.
Might be a bug, one way or the other.
I tested it on the practice range timing the regen from 50 to 650, 50 to 800, and 650 to 800.
Wow. I don’t remember anyone mentioning this.
One thing you need to pay attention to is what your grapple angle is. You can totally grapple a wall ahead of time, strafe peak around the wall at range, and then let the grapple zip you back because of the spring force from the grapple that automatically retracts you. Doing this allows you to preserve your web count (on the left hand side) while also not wasting another grapple cooldown because it's already engaged. This lets you get an automatic zip back to the grapple web node while also letting you use a grapple immediately afterward. It also makes you way harder to track because the retraction velocity is super fast and the enemy doesn't expect you do just fling yourself immediately. Think of it like how Spider-man uses his webslinging consecutively. So many lower tier Peni players don't use the grapple web right and they lose out on so much escapes and angling. You are essentially using less of your web counters while also doing the same actions per 1 cooldown and motion rather than wasting 2 web counters and 2 cooldowns.
Didn't know this, thank you!
You can also attach pretty high to a wall and then let the Web bounce you up whenever you need it, either to quickly bounce around high and low grounds or to bounce up behind a cover.
Not necessarily the most practical thing in high ranks I guess, but super funny to just become a self healing bouncing spider :)
So nice to see CringeAlarm getting some shine! Well deserved!
5:10 The nest wasnt on cooldown. He manually disabled it before it took damage. It looked like the Groot was trying to go at it. The nest gets a bigger cooldown the more damage it took so if you know its going to be destroyed its better to prematurely detonate for faster redeployment.
Um actually ☝️🤓 it's because groots wall broke the nest, and that acted like an environmental reset for the cooldown
@@Smolic0000was Bonita comment this the front didn’t do any damage to it which is why she got the cd back as soon as it went away
The quickplay game is the perfect example of how a top 500 player playing amazing is not enough to make up for 1 or 2 deadweight players on the team
The best thing ever with Peni is when a C&D ults and just runs into your mine trap and insta-dies
Dying to that a lot as a C&D main made me want to learn Penni and make her my second lord status character
@@Xeyyakkennliterally the exact reason I’m here too. Penni gonna be my second lord
Theres a peni 1-trick on my team who is currently top 500 and they are an absolute menace. The way people play peni is amazing to me ngl
Thanks for watching this. I love Peni and this makes me feel better about my mindset on how to play. certainly gained a lot of tips.
5:09 it’s not that he has the nest back on cooldown, it’s that Peni’s nest has no cooldown if you DONT damage the nest before destroying it; which is only really possible as Groot with his walls. This is why when playing as Groot into Peni you always want to get some damage on the nest first before walling it otherwise it does nothing.
i had no clue! when i play peni and i know someone has a good chance of breaking my nest i usually just take it down myself really quick to make them think they broke it but then i just reposition it right away. if they have a dive comp they’ll usually be like “nest is down”, only for me to have my nest back up again. this really messes them up bc they’ll push thinking i don’t have the nest and then i just cook them.
More importantly then not seeing the mines, they can't shoot the mines either. In season 1 they patched it so they can't be destroyed while hidden.
Oh nice to know. I still try to "clean" the web but still die to the mines 😅
the only one who can destroy them is Groot with his wall
how does one counter that?
@@cherishloveart they beep before they trigger so you can either invincibility frames it (Starlord or C&D as example), bubble it (Magneto, Hulk), or dash past it (Thor, Psylock), or destroy it (Groot wall), or shield it (Cap, or Strange just make sure you don't rush in or the mines go off behind shield).....basically there are a ton of ways to counter it if you don't rush in so just kill the Peni or her nest first so the big web is gone.
Peni's hard counters are Groot, Thor, Squirrel Girl, Moonknight, and Cap. You can also include fliers like Starlord, Storm, and Ironman but they usually have other targets besides you and they are squishy so you can shoot them down.
@@savantslacker9117 these counters are unnecessarily specific. Almost every character with a decently fast melee can hit the mines before they detonate when they jump. You can react to it as long as you remember there might be mines
This is a really good learning tool for sure. As someone who enjoys playing peni but isn't that great with her, this really taught me a lot that i need to work on and things i didn't know about her, like the webs connecting the mines so they can travel
There are quite a few spots like 10:16 that are highly defense-able locations with unbreakable walls that penni strives in. The main issue is by controlling that space and hoping for the enemy team to walk in to fight you, the enemy team can push a different side and just kill the rest of your team.
yeah, that's why you have to properly learn to be aggressive and annoying enough to backline that they feel scared pushing forward because you're still hanging out behind them
Its always worth going for though just for area denial. If you notice your team is getting run down and the enemy team’s already passed your webs, dont be afraid to just break your nest and retreat to the next “safe spot”, or ult and try to farm a few kills with the homing mines youve built up.
Nest in the spot play aggressive by webbing and shooting, the nest protects you if a tank or dps try to come through
2:07 nobody ever seems to think abt mines on the webs, its great watching squishies auto delete themselves while trying to flank 😂
That's what I always notice in some "high level" streamers regarding Peni. They always think that anyone can just destroy the nest or avoid the mines, but a good Peni player will simply not allow that. Nest are out of sight with webs extending it's reach, mines are in key locations where you can't just "avoid" them, you either set the mines off or you simply don't play the game.
As a Veteran TF2 Engineer and currently GM Peni player, she really shines when you stop playing a shooter and start playing an RTS
23:36 in the settings for penny, there is a sensitivity slider for her webs to reattach. You couldn’t swing up, because it was reattaching the tether to an existing web. Turn it all the way down to avoid it reattaching as much as possible.
Yes, definitely like this format.
Seeing the number 1 Peni use the Nest spot on attack that i also use is so satisfying. Makes me feel like im actually using the character to its full potential. wow thats awesome
as a penny player this video was really insightful! just a tiny correction. mines are what you throw and they don't travel. then you have spiders which get produced by your base thingy and they do travel across connected webs.
I liked this format a lot. Watching the player then immediately trying to emulate it. Good shit.
I love how you don’t stop the replay to talk our heads off. You let it play through and commentate as it goes. Very well earned sub from me my guy
Peni isn't the best at offense but you can definitely make it work. On maps like Klyntar and Spider Islands, there's really good flanking routes. Peni is amazing at defense, so if you're able to turn your offense into defense (i.e. you lock down an area and force enemies to come to you), that's where you're able to shine. What I love to do is flank behind and drop mines onto the backline and that can usually get one of their healers down easily. You'd be surprised at how little people pay attention to the mines. It's all about creating an off-angle and forcing the enemy team to pay attention to you. You don't create space by being frontline, you create space by disrupting, but this is super reliant on who your other tank is and how they play. I OTP'd to GM with Peni and offensive Peni still works like a charm.
7:10 Holding left and right click together will auto attack with both her melee and mines during her ult.
Around the 5 minuet mark that "worked so hard to kill that and now it is off cooldown"
I'm not sure if you noted Groot using a wall to remove the nest. When Groot walls the nest the next has no damage and goes into the 0 cooldown it normally has.
I guess because the game reads Walls as terrain breaking it? Because the same thing happens when the cart/sled/statue runs it over.
If Nest takes HP damage that is what increases the cooldown.
Not only can they not see Peni mines in the webs, they actually can't destroy them. Its really hard area denial that I guess could be baited out but thats difficult to do, especially when you dont actually know where the mines are.
I love coming back to watch fav ow creators from back on the day, but on a good hero shooter.
23:58
How to Peni Parker Ult
1. Start it from the nest web
2. Stand on nest web for a couple seconds before rushing out
(You stack extra drones from ult)
3. Go straight to back line
(if you can avoid wasting drones on tanks and save the nuke for supports)
4. Once in backline, Alternate Left Click -> Right Click
(Left click does a good chunk and pops them in the air and often they land on the mine)
If you threw in the left clicks, that mantis was dead, dont underestimate penis spider claws!
If you threw in left clicks, you wouldve got mantis
important note at 2:34 too, groot can kill peni nest with his wall. notice that despite it being at above half ish health, it just got destroyed
groot does it again at 5:02
True but it also will only keep the nest on cooldown for how much damage it took. If groot only walls it to break it, then the nest took 0 dmg and has a 0 second cooldown. If he damages it beforehand and then walls it, it’ll use the damage taken to give you a longer cooldown
@ OHH interesting, alright alright *taking notes*
I really appreciate the application game after the looking and learning! Always great content Emong
The test he did in quick play is exactly how like more than half of my matches go because my team can’t hold their own while I’m locking down key points and poking lol
Few more pro tips
You get max 3 webs on ground, if web connects with enemy, 3rd web stays.
You get a total of 15-16 mines per minute
Don’t shoot mines on objects that can be destroyed (groot walls, namor octopus, damage walls, etc). They will go away if item is destroyed.
“Stacked” mines do more “instant” damage, but a trail of mines is very useful as well.
“Stacked” mines: put at doorways
“Trailed” mines: put in tight corners leading up to your nest.
If needing a quick heal, use O not L1 for your web.
Try to use special with nest (as shown in video)
DONT FORGET she can climb and zip! Her movement is one of the best!
If teamed up with venom. It’s best to use team ability right after your special or use when enemies too close to your nest.
This was definitely fun! I wouldn't mind seeing you do this again
Seeing a second game from the person too could be cool
Also something that I've learned recently is that you can stack the webs up to three times to make the healing even faster!
YOU ARE an absolute legend when it comes to the Shark class in Mega Walls, I mean, who else could possibly dominate like that? Blood Rage? Please, when theseal12 activates it, the whole server can feel the wave of terror, as they sprint around the map like a feral beast on a mission. Enemies must literally drown in fear, knowing that one dip in the water and they’ll be out of their depth... literally. Shark’s a class, but for you, it’s practically a superpower. Maybe next time, we’ll see them casually swim through lava for fun. That’s how on another level you are!
I've been watching some of his videos I'm glad you're checking it out! He makes Peni look fun to play
The one thing that baffles me so much is why NO ONE kills Groot walls, they just leave them. Madness.
The healing from webs also stack. Usually you're going to want to use them for concealing mines, but in a pinch you can throw down your webswing and webshoot together. Each stack of web gives 25hp/s. You can have 3 webs out at once and with the spidernest you can sit in 4 webs to get 100hp/s. It's kind of crazy. Even just throwing down your webswing defensively at your feet when you're about to get pushed to save your web/snare for CC can up your survivability.
As a hulk main good peni players mines is so tilting, i know i supposed to break it and i try to. Even spam mark it but no one wants to destroy it or attempt to. Not to mention its insane peni can stun you for dirt cheap cooldown time while other characters cooldowns is much longer
i'd love to see more of this spectating and then applying it in game!
Im a penny main, and the right click is honestly the most valuable part of her kit ive use it in a game to completely shut down strange, scarlet witch, and Iron Mans ult all game if you learn the timing most ults in the game can either be stopped or shortened with that one 3 second cool down web.
Honestly the idea people would worry about walking over a spider web would potentially force them to move into a place you want them to enter
7 mins in you can set a cyber bond on the ceiling off of their view if they use claok an daggers bubble or any kind of Aura that staggers damage in a spot where you can just bounce nonstop while spraying mines and shooting. you can also use your WASD keys to extend the cyber bond into directions so you don't get hurt as much and the cyber bond heals you super slow and keeps your extra shield. just for aerial views or when their push is to hard to counter. like 7:40 would be good to web backwards where he was but on the ceiling behind the 2nd story post on the left but forward enough to see the lane on the very height of the bounce.. so now he can set mines near the back. if they hard push you just stay near the mines or if your falling back and a mele hero tries to kill you just set a hive in a good spot and shoot/mine/trap her inside the hive.
I feel like it’s a balance between play styles. I do some of the things this Peni did (admittedly not all of them) and have had good value. But if the opposing team is just a straight run it mid brawl comp I believe just standardish front lining isn’t a terrible thing to do.
Peni is real bad at frontlining vs other tanks since she has no defensive mitigation options. It's probably best to pick somebody else if you want to frontline vs a brawl comp
the reason they're not straight running it down mid, and brawling is because of Penni and the way she's pressuring sidelines and backline
You’ll get way more value frontlining with groot, mags, strange, etc. peni in my experience thrives as an off tank like how cringealarm plays her.
So in attack you basically deny flank space near a health pack, that’s absolutely genius
Peni is so freaking underrated dude. I made a new account for learning tanks and the first game I played as her I went 29 and 0 and my first competitive match I played as her I went 31 and 4. Soooo easy to use compared to other tanks imo, and got me to understand how to play tanks better because of how versatile you gotta play with peni specifically.
Only issue i had with this peni is the initial setup of the mines. I find that it's most of the time optimally better to set up the trap, not nest, in that front side room because the enemy has a tendency to come through it in effort to control the map. Realky good to take out flankers early
Ive been putting my spider nest in that first location since before I saw pro's do it, mainly because it seemed like a god tier spot and is next to a health spot. Then run to the building on the other side and lay traps at at the doors.
Fun fact about the mines and webs, the mines become fully invincible when they're in the webs
22:10 you also can web the walls of the area youre standing on to connect to the floor and the spiders will run up/down the wall to still killl. Nobody ever mentions that.
I play Peni Parker quite a bit but watching this guy move around and his tactics is pretty interesting I didn't realize she could hunt down and kill healers like that I need to look for more opportunities, I feel like she is good against Ironman and Storm if she is on a web because she can strafe them in such a way they can't really get away from her shots without making violent movements
I want to see this, but with Ironman. Ever since Flats had you go Ironman for his Hulk, you need an Ironman man redemption after learning the tricks.
u can still animation cancel on reaper for ult though: shoot, then ult. it's an extra 70-80 burst damage or whatever
Also try to look for opportunity to web in and kill their healer, her mobility is another part of what made her so good
@ 5:20 some nice attention to detail that it's only Peni's body knocked out, not a copy of the mech!
I do a ton of mine trap stuff, I usually place it on a verticle surface though, so they don't see it as they come around the corner, wonder if I'm doing it right or if I'm missing hits/kills that way?
duelists and support mains should play peni to learn what's going through the enemy peni's mind, it's why they run into the mines like they're in gold
You can actually see the mines under the webs, but you can’t destroy them, so it’s a very good tool to deny enemy accessing certain routes
but how does one get past them? I try jumping over, that does nothing. I try going close enough to activate them and move away before they harm me, but by the time i have done that, my team is half dead on the other side or something. Surely there is a counter?
@@cherishloveart I think you can hold shield and walk pass them, but without a shield I think you should be careful and check the floor
8:47 Poor Groot, he must’ve had no idea he was getting portaled like that lol
the big groot wall is called Ironwood, not iron will. also, it gives bonus health each time he does damage while he's within 20m. So it's not a flat amount of health, it's each time he does damage up to a max of 1100 or 1200 iirc. if you ever see a groot not using it to block, that's why. you hide it, stay close, and live forever
As a peni main, this was so helpful
I definitely underestimated Pennies mobility the way rocket uses it
Top 10 Rivals video I’ve seen!
Penni is strong because you’re basically a pest you get value if you’re not dealt with. Which forces the enemy team to make a decision take the 6v5 or take the 6v1, if they peel to the Penni they sacrifice point. So in short she’s really strong.
Friend: you play decent why dont you do this?
Me: i cant
Friend: why?
Me on a laptop playing on 30 fps
Grandmaster maiming Peni and I had no idea connecting the webs did anything lol
Guide: hold mouse 1 and run straight into enemy backline, no one peels for healers anyways
12:52
Same, I had the "Aha" moment around this time too.
Should also show domination games and convoys to see how each type of game mode is played.
Don’t forget those webs are like groot wall and that’s where you get you’re survivability. If you’re trying to contest I’d try wall climbing and grappling down on the ground. Of course this depends on timings and how fast you need to get there and when your teammates are getting back
One thing I wish someone would test is do you get double healing for double stacking webs
you can qp main tank on peni including just throwing mines into the enemy
stacking webs also increases bonus health generation, up to 200 hp/s
22:20 That’s Penni’s job. 🕸️
I was here thinking he was going to have a whole crosshair that was going to look crazy
that quickplay game was diabolical
5:14 when groot wall kills mine it has instant cooldown. Sorta like when it dies from environmental respawn.
In case some don't know, the mines can't be destroyed while hidden by webbing
More of these would be sick
The ending gave me so much de ja vu.
What I really want is a little bit about how you managed to find the vod. I know you used that website to find who was the best player but what were the steps after that point? Were you just lucky that the best Penni didn't have a hidden profile? When I was trying to find high level Magik vods all the players had hidden their match history and trying to find other players that had been in games with them was also a struggle because they would get matched from outside of top 500 which to my knowledge is all the leaderboard displays in game. If you are trying to learn a meta hero it's no problem but if anyone has tips on finding games of the lesser played characters I would appreciate it.
There are tracker websites that will show match history for players, regardless of whether it’s private in game I believe. Rivalsmeta has that feature, and if you click on a players match results, it will also have a replay code. It might be a new feature, because I was doing it the same way you were until I saw this vid and checked
@@jasster8 That's what I was missing then. I knew that you could look up any game if you had a replay code but I didn't see it when I was looking so was trying to find games I wanted to spectate through brute force.
Ended up with a lot of pointless reviews because the only replay I could find was a quickplay and while top players will still play different I doubt they are really trying that hard vs mid diamonds in a qp. I remember a match where the player afked on point at least three times and was never punished for it. Even in silver and gold I can't get away with that.
Tip for other peni players mines go through magnetos shield do with that information what you will
2:07 the only person that worries about mines in webs.... is the other Penny
Damn, I learned a lot.
At 22:05 put the nest lil bit more to the right and your mines actually jump off the edge on to the carts path
11:15 My first time playing on that map I was very confused because I thought we had half of the map or a little more to explore. A few matches later in this map I'm STILL confused about where it ends, so I end up using my abilities and ults either too early or I end up holding on to them 😅.
So I have to call out this great play here. 4:55
Groot's wall can insta destroy Peni's bot generator. CringeAlarm noticed Groot pushing in to destroy it, so CringeAlarm removed it right before Groot can destroy it, and suffered no cooldown for it.
The amount of damage it takes, dictates the cooldown, so that play is actually negligible. Groot wall doesn't do damage to it so you can instantly put it back, and removing it early doesn't help. I still think its a decent play for Groots because you can see the mines on the ground for a second before she places it again, or you could damage it a few times and then groot wall it. If Peni removes it the cooldown will still be by how much damage it took.
@ImAviex Oh? Didn't know that. Thought the Groot wall would cause cooldown
I refer to the walls as "Big wall" & "Little Wall."
Try to really appease the lizard brain, so people don't have to think about the walls.
Yeah Peni is a trap and area denial hero. Use your nest to hunker down in an area of interest and try to force players to feed trying to get to you. Good to see Peni getting some light shown on her. She is not a bad tank but a different tank.
My chris i just play a game as peni in bronze with this strat and it open my eyes on how much i was playing her wrong
Does the Melee actually do more DPS compare to the cannon?
I think peni is very strange, she stomps in low elo, then around diamond-plat she falls off hard since people know how to play as a team and rush down mid, then gets higher value in highest play since they try to play off angles and peni can deny that
People are wary of webs placed in front of a door like a welcoming mat but a lot less suspicious of webs that are just "randomly" on the floor or on a wall as a lot of Peni players just spam that stun and end up missing some of em so small webs end up splattered all over the place. Since the enemy team can't see mines placed in webs.....well as they say: out of sight, out of mind.
This is good to know. i really like penni but I didn't want to waste my time if she was trash at high level. I just assumed everyone would always destroy the nest and not run over the mines.
Oh, The ironWill wall. People might know what it is cause in fact itsa IronWOOD wall lol
Btw the web doesnt need to touch for mines to travel.
I never played Penni since everything I watched always said she wasn't good. But, when I finally tried her when I got to silver 1 I totally dominated some defence games. Definitely has her time & place