Denafrips Venus II DAC Review and vs. Pontus II & Ares II, which one should you buy?
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Source: Bluesound Node 2i
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(all music is hi-res streamed from Tidal)
DAC: Denafrips Ares II or Venus2
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Speaker & Power Cables: Maze Audio Ref4
(rest in peace Kent)
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Interconnect Cables:
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Network Switch:
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VERY useful video. Not going over what has already been reviewed many times, but concentrating on the matching of each DAC to a specific system is an excellent approach. Thanks.
Love the candor mixed with humility… Great review… GREAT outtro!
You have become one of my favorite, TH-cam channels for audio.
Thank you brother, I appreciate that.
Great job as usual. Thank you!
Hi! I have an Enyo and I'm so happy but your video it's an excellent guide, thank you!! Cheers from Mexico City!
Awesome, thank you!
Oh my God love the ending of this video bro!!!
Love the content, keep it going! 👍
Excellent video. Really puts things in perspective.
Glad you liked it!
This format, bucketing solutions by price point and impact was excellent!
Thank you for making a great video
Fantastic video! Was wondering where you were going with this one. Great advice though. People should here your advice, it was dead on.
BTW, your out message was funny, you caught me off guard because it was so damn direct. Laughed hard.
Well done!
Hey James, thank you my man. Glad you enjoyed it!
I love the roasting part :D I hope you default it as your outro every video LOL.
The new Gustard R26 dac has caused some initial waves, would be great to hear your take on it. Cheaper than Pontus but a worthy competitor to it is the initial feedback.
You did just fine. I know which one to get now. Thanks
Thanks for the info and advice you give, it's well appreciated. Also I totally understand what you are saying about price point on audio equipment. People should understand that 1 high end component is not going to take you directly to the next level without out the other pieces of the puzzle like speakers, amps, wires and cabled . But there's no shame in owning a budget system especially if it makes you happy.
Hey Richard, glad you enjoyed it my man!
True. Also you may happen onto a budget system that will just amaze you with its synergy that rivals or even puts to shame some overpriced hi end on your quest! I believe progression is the key, but stop and enjoy listening along the way..repeatedly.
Clear as water as usually Nemo. A Masterclass on how to speak about audiogear. ⭐
Thanks and Cheers,, 🍻😎👍👍
Hey what's up Irene, always happy to see you comment. Hope you are having an awesome day!
I chose the ares 2 simply because I want more room for more speaker purchases hahah. This review outlines well where you need to go depending on your level of gear, very helpful for anyone on the upgrade train.
Thank you, you reviews are always helpful👍, my current system is
B&w 702 s2 floorstanders
Hegel h190 amp
Sonos connect streamer
Arendal 1723 1s subwoofer i bought it after watching you review of it, and it has blown me away ever since, works perfectly for music, i have been thinking of getting a better dac but at the moment my budget is limited and i am intrested in denafrips Ares ll, Hegel dac can get a bit clinical
the 1723 1S is an awesome sub brother, I'm happy you're enjoying it :)
Awesome video, your opinion my rig consists of class’e audio pre amp. right now I’m using emotiva hc 1 mono blocks i shelved the class’e 15 amp for now. my speakers are a pair of BW 802s3 also using svs 12’’ sub. I’m using a Cambridge dac magic 200.and to steam I’m using iPad Pro usb connect. Which one of these deniflip dac do you recommend .
This approach is actually super helpful. A lot of reviewers say something along the lines of "you can check your audiophile boxes. Soundstaging, imaging, detail, it's all there." Which is not super helpful if you have no idea what a product at that price point is supposed to sound like. Especially considering they'll say the same thing about a product in a different tier, tacking on the "for this price point"!
Well done.
yeah, I try to give context so it helps it all make more sense. I think Thomas is very good at that too :)
I can’t believe you don’t have five or ten times more subscribers. Consistently good content.
hey thanks Charles, it's okay, I just do this for fun so I don't mind the low sub count :)
Yes I have the Iris and Pontus combo with Kef LS50 metas and Rel T5X powered by Willsenton R800i ( rolled tubes ). If I upgrade to the V2 or T2 , I wld have to upgrade my spkrs first and that wld be pretty expensive. I’m pretty happy with this set up. Wld need a big windfall to spend another 15-20k - Focal Sopra 1 x Venus or T2 or Holo May Kit.
That was 20 minutes well spent, I got a lot out of it and was entertained as well. You are quickly becoming the king of fucking TH-cam. Cheers!
I appreciate the hell out of you for saying that.
I have been using my Ares II in one of my headphone systems, lately. I absolutely love it! I recently upgraded my Schiit Bifrost 2 to the Bifrost 2/64. I hope you have a chance to hear one someday, I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts on its sound VS the Ares II, and the other Denafrips offerings.
nice dude! I kow midfi guy reviewed ares2 and bifrost in the same video.
Really dig this new approach or angle. If we come away from any review 1) trusting your observations and conclusions, and 2) having a good understanding and appreciation for the character and performance of any audio product it is a fantastic video. This video format did all of that and “took it to another level.” 😉 It made me think about the systems I have, and maybe even rethink upgrade priority. Your message is also that Denefrips is
a solid choice at any level. What I found almost the most useful is that the entry Denefrips DAC is much better than the Blusound DAC. (Your Comparisons are so helpful) Thanks bro! And yeah… throw in that ending every once in awhile! 💪🏽🎶🥊🔥🙏🏽🎵
Hey what's up Ed!! Always appreciate seeing your comments my man, hope you're having a blessed day!
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks bro… yeah, you put a lot of brain power, time and consideration into this new approach! Do you realize your style, body position and background has basically gone unchanged since the beginning of the Emotiva days? Stilling lifting that iron too! You’re solid bro! 💪🏽
@@edmundgil6008 ahahaha, yeah, I'm a simple man. My only goal is to be in better shape as time passes :D
Loved the macdonalds analogy - on point. Thanks for the great video!
Keep on sayin it and keep on sticking to it! Well said
"Weak and timid bloodline" ...I dam near spit my water out! And THX for not talking about those subs! Haha
Great video again and nice take on the break down with gear in like categories, another viewpoint that resonates.
Excellent summary you put the dollar amounts just about perfect for each dac 🎉🙌👍 he asked, you should have crippled the subscribers you do for such good content
thank you bro, much appreciated!
Excellent presentation and the ideal way to compare gear and present gear. Congrats you got my subsciption.
thank you joe, you were number 12,000 exactly so thank you for helping the channel reach this mile stone, we do have a free discord if you want to hop in Discord Link: discord.gg/3PkFQf4y6Z
@@NemoPropaganda Have you tried the Denafrips Iris with these DACs? I'm using it with Ares2 and it makes a huge difference. I'm told that with Pontus2 it's even better due to the I2S connection. I plan on moving up in the near future. I would highly recommend this DDC. Cheers.
@@joenogueira2801 Hey Joe, I don't use USB so I don't have any way to use the Iris. I have heard many people say it was a fantastic upgrade though.
@@NemoPropaganda You could always try the next model up Hermes which has more input options and still offering I2S out. 🍷
@@joenogueira2801 I don't use i2s either though :) My streamer is a bluesound Node 2i, so I just use coax from the node 2i out to coax input on my dac.
Best sign off ever, we’ll said! 👌
Oh enjoyed the content too!! 👍
Thank you Richard!
Love the outro! Rock on!
thank you bro!
Well, after much deliberation and being just inches away from a Venus II, and then a Kitsune Spring 3, and then a Terminator II, I pulled the trigger on a Gustard R26. 😉 What can I say, I'm a cheapskate. Super impressed with Aoshida, I ordered on Thursday and it was here Wednesday. That's faster than some CONUS orders - and no CA sales tax which I'd have paid through Amazon or eBay. The finish isn't _quite_ as nice as my Aurender, but looks great sitting next to it. It's exciting that something this well stuck together with quality parts is available for under $2k. That just means the big boys will have to up their game. So far, I'm just floored at the performance which seems to have the best qualities of a SABRE and R2R right out of the box. My new phono stage and PS is here Friday, so it'll be entertaining to have an analogue vs digital showdown over the weekend. Too bad my carts still need breaking in. 😕
Good thinking!
Great review! Venus II is definitely a lot of DAC. Looks like you shot this all in one take!! HTF do u do this? hahah. Glad I Subbed! Would love to check out the Ares II and Terminator + one day in my system and see how everything compares. I like your concept of "Sweet Spot" and found it really interesting that upgrading your speakers moved the goal line forward with the Venus. Good stuff bro! 👍🍻
ahaha, yeah all my reviews are single takes :).
I love your content and attitude. I have a Pontus II (my system could just about handle a Venus II) and a Geshelli J2 AKM; seriously for $250 it's worth checking out.
How does the Geshelli J2 AKM sound? I have one on order for my smaller room. I'm also considering the Ares II or Pontus II for my main listening room but want to hold off buying a Denafrips as I want to see how the new J2 AKM sounds. Since you own both, how does the AKM compare to the Pontus II as that is the main DAC i'm considering for my primary listening room. Thoughts? Is there a huge difference or would I be fine withi the J2?
@@matrix311
See my comments under cheapaudioman's "Cheap AKM DACs Suck. SMSL D6 DAC Review".
There is virtually no difference at all. I did a review of my Pontus II vs. J2 AKM on the cheapaudioman thread. I can't find it right now, not sure where it went, but the conclusion, level matched (I used 2 nodes and used the sliders to volume match) - and able to switch A/B using different inputs on my amp (Musical Fidelity KW-500 into Aerial Acoustics Model 6 speakers
@@nacarp2000 wow ok thanks for the feedback. I have a pontus ii on order as well as the new Geshelli J2 AKM. I guess if the Geshelli is identical to the pontus with my system, I'll just sell the Pontus and buy another Geshelli. I have two systems I'm building! I appreciate the feedback and surprised they are that close of a match.
@@matrix311 any update news from the comparison?
@matrix311 . Interested in hearing your thoughts on the comparison of the geshelli and the Pontius2? I’m considering both as well
Email Alvin 😅🤣😭 I have some subwoofers in but I am not going to talk about it because I can't talk about it. That outro was brutal 😭🤣😅
I front loaded my system with a nice digital front-end (streamer, Venus II, SBooster) that costs more than my speaker/sub + SET amp combo. Someday I will upgrade amp and speakers. But for now, the Venus sounds amazing. Just a better version of the Pontus. Glad I made the jump up.
Having a solid front end is very important. I think that's the right order to do things in.
Excellent and thorough analysis! I have both the Ares 2 and Pontus 2, with a Denafrips Hermes DDC feeding the Pontus via I2S for all digital sources. Hermes has more different types of inputs than the Iris, so I can hook up CD transport, streamer, and TV for improved sound. It has proven to be an excellent combination. Considered the Venus, but ended up going with Pontus plus DDC for practically the same money. The Hermes DDC reclocks all the inputs using an even higher quality clock (OCXO) than what is found in the Venus, so hopefully overall I'm close to or exceeding what the Venus alone would have offered me... The rest of my system includes the Denafrips Athena preamp and Apollo amp driving Tekton double impacts. Insane performance!
That'd allow really easy A/B'ing of DACs for review purposes too, or just to have 2 different flavours of DAC in one system.
Also you have a crazy amount of power for high sensitivity speakers, I approve!
@@nacarp2000 since the speakers are 4 ohm, I'm getting at least 450 Watts RMS per channel to them and the system is excellent at low volumes as well as being absolutely distortion-free at crazy loud ear damaging levels LOL.
sounds like a badass system!
@@NemoPropaganda I started my journey swapping out a bunch of more budget level gear, and learning along the way. Then I finally said enough is enough, I'm going to go ahead and invest in something that I can live with long-term without feeling the need to change gear constantly. That approach has ended up working out well for me. Now I just have to sell off a bunch of budget gear LOL.
Did the athena give you sound quality improvements?
Nailed it!!
When you started with the " If anything in this video offends you" I was thinking for FCUK sake, so you brought a smile to my face with what followed 😆
keep up the good content, subscribed.
nice dude, I'm happy it was a plot twist for you :).
Best final comment ever. Your videos are for audiophiles people need to handle the fact that all audiophiles are a bit crazy. I know this because I am one of them. Stay strong bro, good job. Just now subscribed .
Good Job!! 😁
Great video 👍 Though if someone wants to know about the difference in character between these dacs and their different inputs, I would personally do the work of ready a LOT of reviews and not rely on Alvin for this (though he is a very nice guy). As always YMMW.
Hey Nemo, great review per usual. I use a BlueSound Node for a streamer and a DAC. Is the improvement in sound quality material going from the Node to any of these Denafrips DACs? Assuming yes - could you describe how the sound improves and if you feel the improvement is worth the cost?
Yes, the Ares2 was a great upgrade from the internal dac of the node 2i and i think it's worth it for sure. but if you are using a super cheap AVR then you should use the money to upgrade that first. If you want to hop in the discord and make a post about your system in the purchase advice section I'm happy to chime in.
Hey Nemo..The I2S thing…you use a multi-pin HDMI cable for that connection. The Denefrips comes from factory ready for The PS Audio Standard pin config. on its HDMI input. The PS Audio Standard is the most common output pin configuration from CD Transports and streamers. The Denefrips DACS have the option to reassign the input pins for DACS and streamers with I2S DATA out with a different HDMI pin assignment than the PS Audio Standard.
Just trying to be helpful! 😁
Hey Bob, I just used a regular HDMI cable off of Amazon for whatever thats worth :) I'm not an I2S user myself so I don't know too much about it but it worked flawlessly.
I like your approach to build an audio system that is balance, with no major bottlenecks or constraints. Can you review JDS Labs Element Line DAC Plus and Atom DAC Plus? I know they are at the lower end of the market but that is what I can afford, and I really like their sound.
those appear to be desktop DAC's and I don't have a desktop setup bro so I can't really test them.
@@NemoPropaganda That’s ok. Thanks for the great videos!
Great review. Your approach to differentiate the DACs is really good and makes lot of sense. I have SonusFaber Soneto 8, Parasound Halo JC1 mono amps, Cary SLP05 tube pre amp, blue jeans XLR and speaker cables. Do you think Pontus is good enough? Or do you think I will benefit with Venus ?
I think you can go either way, maybe ask vinshineaudio and see what they say.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for the reply. Will ping them
Did you buy something ?
Thanks!
This was such a good video! Wow.
I’ve owned an Aries 2, and now a Pontus 2. I was considering the Venus because I love these DACs.
I own the s400 mk2 and the original kinki M1…. So it goes without saying, your advice is extremely valuable to me. LOL
So….you wouldn’t really recommend the Venus yet? Maybe upgrade something else first?
Thanks man
Hey Mike, The Venus2 will still be an upgrade for you but for best value the Pontus2 is the most logical recommendation for the S400 MKII & Kinki combination you have. Value is of course relative to how much disposable money you have so you may find the Venus2 to be a good upgrade. Personally to me I think it would be a fantastic match but you will have more DAC than speaker at that point but I think that's okay as long as you can afford it :).
Awesome. Thanks.
The Kanta 1 sounds like it would be awesome but, I think I would want more bass then they offer…..but I’m not willing to spend Kanta 2 money. Any ideas? Something around $7000.
@@mikehuntington4440 I must admit I have very limited experience with speakers around that price range so I can't really comment. I would ask Jay's Iyagi or Zero Fidelity.
@@mikehuntington4440 keep an eye on accessories 4 less. They have Focal "refurbs" occasionally on sale for deep discounts, including their floor standers.
@@mikehuntington4440 Research Goldenear Triton 1.r @$7500 a pair, you won't need a sub or high power amp. They will relay the virtue of the Venus II. I can speak from experience. Stereophile class B ranked.
Thanks and more thanks, I was about to decide whether to buy Pontus II or Venus II and with your video, added to Alvin's video today on LUMIN U2 (which is my streamer) you made it easy and clear. Greetings from Chile and you have one more subscriber.
Hi Luis, I'm happy you found it helpful, welcome aboard!
Who is a $2950 Dac For? That is the title. Great job as always.
If you can, avoid the incremental upgrades; you’ll save money in the long run. After wanting to try something better than the Bluesound DAC streamer I went for the Ares II but should’ve gone directly to the Pontus II. Would recommend bypassing the Iris and getting the Hermes so you’ll have multiple inputs, if you’re considering a DDC.
Thank you for promoting "if you are weak, it's not my problem". Peace!
Alvin told me the same, get the Pontus II... I went with the Ares II. What got me thinking about upgrading my Ares II, was purchasing a $249 R2R Cayin RU6 dongle DAC... It walked all over the Ares II. The bass was deeper, so much so I had to turn down my SVS SB3000 subs from -10db +/- to -30db +/-. The soundstage is bigger, and instrument separation and tonality is off the wall. I used a TRRS to XLR cable to hook into my preamp, the Denafrips Hades out to the Thallo amp, feeding a pair of Model 5's. I hope the Pontus II 12th will sound as good. ;-)
if you went from 10db to -30dB on your sub settings from a dac change something is seriously wrong. You're essentially saying a dac caused a 40dB swing, something is broken here.
@@NemoPropaganda Hmmm... The Ares II having issues I never knew about? And 20db swing, not 40.
Where are your settings in regards to volume on your REL subs and the Ares II? Curious on your settings though, and I am assuming you are feeding the Rels via the speaker outputs vs RCA?
I know from researching this RU6 dongle DAC, that everyone that has compared it to the Ares II have all said there was a dramatic boost to the bass, along with the instrument separation and larger soundstage. And that is my experience too. I wish they made a desktop version, I would simply purchase it and call it a day.
@@michaelwright1602 using dual T7X I have them set to 6 clicks from zero on the gain. Normally using high level but sometimes I use low level.
Well, listening to my Venus II 12th right now... Been playing with it for days. I am using the Pi2 Mercury V2 streamer, all hard wired into my network. I am using the outstanding and rock solid RoPieeeXL OS on the Mercury. Cables do matter with this combination, and I am sure others. I found Gotham digital cables, AES and RCA, beat the snot out of both Mogami and Audioquest Cinnamon. I think I paid around $30 for the Gotham AES on Amazon. i2s, I called Tarun, The British Audiophile, asked which cable he is using, the British made QED HDMI cable is what he is using. I found the US distributor, $40, really opened up the sound and no more bloated bass. I am using an Oyaide Black Mamba v2 power cable, direct from Japan. No clue if it makes a difference, I heard no difference over the Pangea cords I have, but it looks cool. Hope this helps someone.
Hi Michael, I am looking for Gotham digital cables, can't find it, where you find yours?
@@maxc7903 Worlds Best Cables on Amazon.
I have 2 Denafrips DACs (Pontus II 12th-1 and Ares II 12th).
The Denafrips Iris 12th makes the sound even better with either DAC.
The Cardas Clear USB cable sounds even better than the already great freebie cable from my Eversolo DMP-A6.
The Cardas Parsec RCA cable sounds even better than my already great WorldsBestCable (using Mogami 2549 and Neutrik connector).
streaming source=Apple Music lossless.
Great review! Different angle i havent seen. In looking at a denafrips dac. I have differential system. Emotiva DR2 amp , schiit kara pre amp, b&w 703S3 ($6k pair). Currently using geshelli j2 with sparko op amp and it sounds really good. Im a musician and denafrips sound intrigues me. Havent heard unfortunately. Which model would you say “fits” my system? Enyo, area, pontus? Sounds like venus would be too much from your review. Appreciate your comments!
hello, unfortunately denafrips keeps changing their models so I don't have any reference points for their products anymore, in the last few years theres been 3 versions of Pontus and 4 or more versions of Ares and all the denafrips dacs I've reviewed have all been replaced with new models. With that said I think an Ares or Pontus should be great but DAC's are an interesting thing, some people find they make a huge difference while others feel it's more nuance.
@@NemoPropaganda thx for your honesty. I will look at enyo (current ares) and pontus. Thx for the guidance
Great job man! I’m right there with you until the Mc double. At my age eating at Mickey D’s is a crapshoot. Pun intended
My only question right now is why don’t you have more subs?
hey kats! thank you for the kind words. I may not have a lot of subs but I have a lot of subwoofers and that's the important thing :)
Thank you for another great review.
The I2S connection can be used with a normal HDMI cable between two devices that have this In/Out port?
Cheers!
yes sir, standard hdmi cable works perfectly. I ordered a random hdmi 2.0 cable from amazon and it worked.
@@NemoPropagandaNice then! Thank you! 😉
I bought the area ii and topping D90 for total of one Pontus ii price.
I have owned Pontus II and Venus II. He is correct. Depending on how revealing your system is, Venus will be more advantageous over Pontus for overall sound quality. As matter of fact, my mint Venus II is up for sale at Audiogon.
LOL, was that you? I was looking at that one! Good price, you should have moved it by now! So, what is it you're upgrading to?
Sold!
Hello, very good video. We need more of this type for us looking for the right gear to buy. I have emotiva xcm-1 processor; emotiva basx-2 amp; spacial audio saffphire m-3 speakers; oppo 105; using hdmi to i2s converter hdmi to smsl m400 dac i2s. Should I upgrade the dac or am I at maxium for my system. Any ideas would be appreciated on any upgrade. Thanks, ted
I have not heard the SMS M400, but from watching reviews I think it's a very different sound than the Ares2 or Pontus2. I think Pontus2 should be an upgrade for you but I don't know how the sound compares to the M400.
Have you heard the Yamaha NS-2000a? I have the Rega Elex-R paired with them and the Rega Dac. I am considering upgrading the DAC as my next step up. I am pretty much set on getting the Denafrips and wondering if the Pontus II or the Venus II is the way to go.
I have not heard that one. I think you should email vinshine audio and see what their opinion is. My guess is Venus II but Pontus Ii should still be a very nice upgrade.
The Venus is for a very high end system, it will sound better, I have the Pontus it just had a bit more connectivity than the ares dac. The ares dac is an amazing dac and probably the one you should get. It was so good I had a friend come to test it and 30 minutes later we had finished a bottle of wine and had music everywhere
I see that denafrips preamp on your shelf. I would love to heat what you think of it.
Yes, I've already reviewed it, should popup if you search Nemo Propaganda Hesita.
It’s good for viewers to latch onto reviewers that are in the approximately same neighborhood of funding as they are; all of the pieces work together and it does no good to be top heavy on one component and way lower level on another. Sometimes instead of buying a $3k DAC or $1k cables you probably should get every piece to a comparable quality/resolution level, like maybe better speakers. An exception I think is if you’re committed to going substantially higher up the line it’s OK to leapfrog ahead a few levels, because you’ll save money in the long run by not buying/selling at a loss/buying one step up.
Nemo, what to buy next? Pre amp or DAC? I just purchased Choco sound Emei and it's great so i want your opinion what's the best next step. Thanks.
the EMEI is an integrated amp so you don't have any use for a pre-amp. That leaves your only upgrade options to speakers, subwoofer, or dac. I love denafrips dacs for sure so of course I will recommend them :)
howdy Nemo! do you think it would be possible to use the Schiit Eitr DDC with the Denafrips Pontus II instead of the Iris? Thanks!
sorry bro I don't use USB so I don't know very much about DDC. I'd ask Vinshine Audio or Schiit directly.
Hi Nemo, Hope all is good on your end. Please help me move forward between Denafrips Pontus 2 12th anniversary with Iris DDC and Venus 2 12th anniversary? I listen to Prog rock, prog metal and jazz music. Thanks in advance.
personally I don't use USB audio connections so I'm not sure, I think you should ask Vinshine and see what they say. Iris is relatively inexpensive compared to the DAC so if your system is high end to the point you feel Venus is the proper DAC for you then you can start with that and add an Iris next year :)
Nemo, which brand power cord are you using with these DACs, the Venus II in particular.
I use Maze Audio Ref 4 but Vinshine suggests any studio grade power cable and says it does not have to be expensive either. IIRC Gotham was one of the brands he mentioned as an example.
Great review . What is you current reference DAC in your system?
stil the trusty Denafrips Ares2.
@@NemoPropaganda great.. just getting into audio. Bought a complete new system , Maggie LRS+ , rogue mag 3 tube and using eversolo dmp-a6 as streamer and Dac. Trying to find a Dac with smooth ,organic very musical that has soul, but doesn’t sacrifice detail retrieval. I just wanted to be a step up and not a lateral move from my current Dac.
@@ericelmore2742 that's a tough call, one mans "nuance difference" can be a "night/day" difference to another man and vice versa. Currently I'm using the Ares 12th-1 review sample with my Eversolo DMPA6 and I prefer it to the units internal dac. I feel the Eversolo dac is very class D sounding while the Denafrips is the traditional analog R2R sound that brings more body to the presentation.
@@NemoPropaganda definitely looking for more of the analog , soulful organic with humanity sound that still provides detail but not to analytical . Music you can listen to all day and not get ear fatigue. The reviews for Holo May, sonnet pasithea, Mola Mola, Pontus 2, merason frerot sound along the lines what I’m looking for. Was looking to spend around $2500. I just wonder what kind of money need to be spent to achieve that level of sound and be different then the dmp-a6 for me to spend that kind of money.
@@ericelmore2742 yeah, the whole system matters too, some speakers just sound more natural than others. Wish I could help more but when it comes to DAC I have learned its one of the more personal experiences.
My vintage system is PS Audio Lambda Drive, Audio Research LS2B, Classe Audio P-200, Dynaudio Contour. Original DAC was PS Audio Ultralink 2 and it is broken. In your opinion, which DAC would you suggest me to buy? Thanks!
Hi Vincent, I'm not familiar with those specific models, I suggest you ask Vinshine Audio for their recommendation.
Emotionally weak and frail... LOL! Good one!
How about a Gustard R26 review, I would like your take on this DAC. I was looking at it, and listened to every sound demo I could find and all I can say is, why all of the hype on this unit? Is it the connections? The built in streamer? I get all of that, but what I have heard sound wise, I don't know. Would be nice to get your take on this one Nemo.
Hi bro, I don't have any interest in Gustard products at this time, maybe in the future.
@@NemoPropaganda Understand. I'm going to stick with Denafrips, Pontus II 12th, have a lot of their gear already and have been nothing but satisfied with it and the service from Alvin and the crew over at Vinshine.
Nice info. I have question if I have martin logan ethos and anthem mca amp, which dac suitable for my system?
Hey Pat, I think you are in the Pontus2 category.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks for the suggestion
If you're debating Ares II vs Pontus, GET THE PONTUS! Very happy with the upgrade on my system. Should have started out with the Pontus.
Ares ii has boomy bass ? Compared to my dynavector 20x2 and $500 phono pre, the ares ii sounds anemic, I was hoping to upgrade to the Pontus 2 but after watching this I don’t think I will be going the denafrips route. It’s amazing to me that every reviewer raves about the ares ii bass, but everybody I know that owns one all agrees from about 80-200hz there’s a massive drop out in sound
I have not seen any measurement that indicates the Ares2 has a massive drop between 80-200hz. Either way there are hundreds of dac's out there so I'm sure you will find one that is perfect for you.
Hi. I own a roksan caspian m2 integrated amplifier + naim audio dac v1 + b&w pm1 speakers with the original stands. How does my naim dac compared to all of those dac's? Also do you recommend upgrading? If so ,to whitch one?
sorry brother I don't have any experienec with Naim products.
Hi Nemo, I have eversolo dmp as ME, yamaha as 1100, KLH model 5 speaker kimber cables, which denfrips DAC would you recomend? Thanks.
I'm not familiar with most of that gear, I suggest you contact vinshine and ask their opinion. My guess is either Ares or Pontus.
Could you try reaching out to RSL to review the CG5 bookshelves? Looking at getting a pair of those or maybe some little bit cheaper Warfedale Diamond 12.2s for my Dad for Christmas. Would love to hear your thoughts
hey bro, probably not, I'm pretty slammed right now.
@@NemoPropaganda That's fair, hopefully in the future when you aren't so backed up
12.2 is a great choice btw
@@robk5745 Thanks for the comment. It looks like I'm gonna have a chance to pick up heavily upgraded LS Encores so I'm pretty excited. I'll probably pick up a pair of those 12.2s for myself tho I love the looks.
@@02honeydew just make sure you can pull those speakers far away from the wall and you’re good to go man
Hi , I Got Parasound Halo integrated amp and monitor audio gold 200 5g and SVS SB16 Ultra Sub . Should I get aries , pontus or Venus . I can get used Vensu for the same price as new pontus . Thanks
I think you can do Ares2 or Pontus2 for your system. You're kind of right in the middle :).
18:03 Nemo: I'd like to apologize ... to absolutely fu*king nobody. The subwoofer champ does what the fu*k he wants 😭😅
god a mcdouble sounds so good right now
bro, a mcdouble always sounds good :D
Have you ever tried the Kinki DAC?
The Kinki DAC has been discontinued.
Hello. Which dac do you suggest to use with Dali Rubicon 5 and Audia Flight FL3S combination ? Pontus II 12th Annviersary or Ares 12th Anniversary ? I am currently using Matrix X Sabre Dac with 9018 chip. Have you ever tested this dac ? Thanks.
I'm not familliar with those products. Have you asked Vinshine?
@@NemoPropaganda No, I haven't asked them.
Excellent discussion on the importance of a DAC to a “hifi” system. Now to convince your boy @recoveringaudiophile 😫😫😫🎶🎶😂😂😂
I think Andrew prefers to stay away from multi box solutions and prefers the more all in one style. I don't think he'd deny an external dac as an upgrade though...
@@NemoPropaganda yep. I just experienced my first minimalist set up in a beautiful living room. The visual is just as important as the audio.
I have a singel tube class A amp ,price 1300 euros .
My headphone is Sendy audio peacock 1500 euros also ,
En my DAP is a fiio m 11 plus ltd .
En I use audio quest cables ,planning to buy the audio quest 1200 Niagara also .
Now I would like to buy me a dac from denafrips .
Wich dac would you recommend me .
I only listen music true headphones.
Thank you for the recommendation.
Hi Gunther, I'm sorry I'm not very familiar with headphones, have you seen the youtuber Soundnews www.youtube.com/@Soundnews/videos He has a lot more experience with headphones and DAC.
Hi. Would you go for Venus II 12th or Pontus 12th with Hermes DDC ? I have the Pontus 12th but I would like to upgrade it. Thanks
if you use usb I think you will hear more of an upgrade by adding hermes to your pontus2 than using Venus2 on its own. I suggest you contact Vinshine audio to confirm as this is only a guess.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks. I will ask Vinshine.
Hi I have magnepan lrs and Rogue Coronus mark 2, and audiolab 6000cdp which of the Denafrips do you suggest?
Ares II
Jordan is correct, Ares2 is the logical recommendation.
Do we need to get a special i2s cable or a normal hdmi
I used a normal HDMI 2.1 cable.
Double-Double😁
18:12.... Laugh of the day !!!
2 hp thin client working on a upnp connection for hqplayer w room connection streamer..... denafrips ares 2..... kinki studio ex m1 .... kef r5 , what do you think guys what to upgrade first?
that all looks good to me, I don't think you need to upgrade anything. Maybe room treatment at the first reflection points?
I sold my ares 2 for 700 usd and bought a Pontus 12th-2 for 1500 usd which is a showroom product. I have also got a lps for my hp thin client hqplayer streamer. I will try them soon and let you know about the new sound. I have already have physical room treatment and also the guy fix my room’s sonic problems digitally after he measured the room. Next upgrade can be a second hand kef ref 3 which is around 7000 usd in Türkiye/Istanbul
Ares II vs. Schiit Modi multibit, would I notice a big difference by upgrading to the Ares?
I have not heard modi multi, just regular version. So one mans "nuance difference" is another mans "night & day" difference. It's hard to say how you will react but regular modi vs ares2 is most definately worth it IMO and they have very different sounds with Ares2 being warmer, richer, and more organic sounding while Modi is just good clear sound without any added flavor.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks. What about the lip-sync thing with the Ares? I HDMI my tv to my bluesound node and then to the DAC. Will I have issues with movie audio?
@@scottroberts4551 With Ares2 yes you will have lipsync issues for sure. For that reason I recommend people use an inexpensive inline DAC like the Fiio Taishan ($20) for TV duty, or if you have a really high end system a Modi will be even better for TV use, that's what I do as the Ares2 is still my primary DAC. I actually prefer to have the second TV dac as it allows me to change inputs on my preamp and not have to getup out of my chair to change inputs on the Ares2.
@@NemoPropaganda Ahhhh, I see, that's makes perfect sense. Would you say the Ares is the best DAC in that price range for my Magnepan LRS+? I'm also considering the Schiit Gungnir, thoughts?
@@scottroberts4551 @Scott Roberts I havn't heard the gungnir specifically but based on talking with other reviewers a lot of the Schiit dacs are more on the side of clarity while the denafrips dacs are more ont he side of warmth and tone. My system already had tons of clarity and what I was missing was some warmth so for me the Ares2 dac certainly was the best choice under $1000 but if someone else was using a prima luna amp with some buchardt S400 they may instead prefer going with the more clarity focused dacs like D90, Schiit, SMSL, etc.... As far as "big difference" I believe I've already answered that question in my first response.
The outro 🤣🤣🤣
Can you give us a hint on the subs? High end? Or more affordable?
Nemo has already done plenty of sub reviews, check his past videos.
My guess is the new HT1003 and HT1205 REL’s - not sure what they will be called but replacements are due imminently.
here is a hint, it has a round driver :)
@@NemoPropagandaOK, so we know it’s not the Sonance D8. 🤣
I don’t really understand the DAC thing. Doesn’t your pre amp have a good DAC? How do you bypass DACs already in equipment?
Some preamps have internal DAC but many do not. Dac will go between your digital source and preamp/integrated amp.
@@NemoPropaganda but how do you bypass if the preamp has one already?
Analogue out (RCA/XLR) from the external DAC connected to the analogue input of the pre-amp will bypass the internal DAC on the pre-amp.
On a CD transport, for instance, digital out to pre-amp will utilise the pre-amp onboard DAC to do the decoding. Digital out to external DAC and then analogue out to the pre-amp will mean the external DAC is doing the decoding and passing the converted signal to the pre-amp.
Internal DAC's on pre-amps/integrateds are usually a compromise (depending on your price point) and a stand alone DAC can offer more. Really depends on how resolving your system is to get the benefit. Pretty much as Nemo. said.
@@Sunshine_Superman Oh I see, now I get it. But that brings up another question. Why do some Pre/Pros have a DAC for every channel then?
@@deankim6687 I'm not really into the architecture of things so I couldn't really say.
Thats the problem. Denafrips limit performance significantly to a price point. I know from experience. Whereas, a good Delta Sigma chip based DAC (non ladder DAC) will for $1500 - $2000 to my ears outperform the ladder DAC.
I don't think that's true, I think the cost to manufacture is what limits performance to a certain price point. If you enjoy DS DAC that's okay, everyone has their preference. Some people prefer tube amps, some people prefer class A, some people like CD players and other people like vinyl. It doesn't mean one thing is better or worse, just personal taste in how you enjoy things.
There's no crying in Audio.
well said!
To my knowledge, for those interested in Denafrips be aware they have NO return policy. I also had sync issues with the Ares 2 optical connection. They only inform you about this in the FAQ’s so buyer beware! It should be noted, I was easily able to sell the unit, but it was an inconvenience non the less.
that is a very general statement and not not entirely correct. Out of the 3 dacs i've tested only Ares2 was unfit for TV use. Pontus2 and Venus2 did not have any delay or lipsync issues but these dacs are purist pieces so I don't imagine many people will use them for TV use anyway as there is no remote. I generally suggest users to buy a cheap dac like Modi for TV use that way you can change to that input from your remote. As far as no return policy their products sell for almost full price on the used market like ebay so I think it's a very low risk purchase.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for the reply and clarification, I rephrased my comment!
@@myaudioquest all good brother.
@@NemoPropaganda Well, I am using the Ares II with the new Node via HDMI, no lip synch issues at all. Just thought I would throw that out there.
@@michaelwright1602 that's awesome, maybethe newer units have some kind of update.
Jesus. In 2 months the price has almost doubled for the venus? and the pontus is $2500? My lord.
No bro, vinshine website is in singapore dollar :).
@@NemoPropaganda thx
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