Nicely done! I’m loving the fact that you’re going into such detail about the social and political motivations that led to the fall of the Republic instead of just the battles that would inevitably come.
To be fair. This doesn't even begin to scratch the surface. Let alone dig deep. Check out the History of Rome podcast by Mark Duncan. Hundred plus hours of their entire history. Truly digging deep
"As the Senate was putting off problems instead of solving them, had increased the legitimacy of populist politicians"... I can see some parallels here in some modern democracies
@Daniel b alrighty we have the basic rules of our dynasty. How do we avoid civil wars springing from the inevitable shunned child? I agree with the basic principle but find it hard to see Commodus taking it im his stride when Marcus aurelius chooses Russell Crowe instead of him
@Daniel b True i guess the key difference is the allegiance of the military. Whomever controls the force would control the country. I wish we could model this all in a computer simulation to test various constitutions
@@patricianoftheplebs6015 What does 'Patrician of the Plebs' mean? Is it like Conservative of the Liberals? Or maybe, Noble of the Homeless? Your nouns are contradictory.
Cassius: In the name of the Senate of the Roman Republic, you are under arrest, dictator. Caesar: Are you threatening me, Patritius? Cassius: The Senate will decide your fate. Caesar: I am the Senate. Cassius: Not yet. Caesar: It's treason, then.
@@podemosurss8316 Eh, the people who killed him/fought him in the Senate are more of the evil in this instance. All they did was secured their destruction by killing him. Ceaser was the last sign that they had fucked up for over a century and then they figured they could kill him and not have it blow up in their faces.
Marius actually did march on Rome while Sulla was campaigning against King Mithridates VI. Sulla marched on Rome in order to get back the supreme command for the war against Mithirdates which was strippped off of him. Then Marius did the same while Sulla was in the East, and when Sulla returned (Marius had already died just a few days into his seventh consulship) he marched on Rome a second time. Fun fact: Both Marius and Sulla married women of the Julii Caesares. In a way they both were family of Gaius Julius Caesar.
@@vladdrakul7851 you lost me the conspiracy ramblings WikiLeaks has been compromised by Russia and was used to advance their interests as you saw in the 2016 us election also your delusional if you think Sweden or the UK are going fucking torture him lol
Caesar is not only a *tactical genius* but also a *political master.* The entire time he was wining battle after battle in Gaul, *which btw he would hold the world record of pitched battles fought until Napoleon,* he was also out maneuvering his political enemies such as Cato the younger who are also brilliant in his own way. Caesar is a good candidate for the title of *genius* because in both aspects of life, *combat and political* he dominated his enemies. *Very few people have ever done this.*
Caesar was not a political master; he got stabbed because he was too overtly accumulating power, without having purged the senate. Augustus committed neither of those mistakes and had a long, highly successful reign as a result.
Sakkura1 Agustus was emperor with absolute power pretty much. Caesar was an ambitious general who hadn’t had the power yet and was really trying too overturn the corruption of the republic.
@@Derperfier Augustus BECAME emperor, he did not start that way. The reason he was able to accrue so much actual power without getting assassinated was that he was more politically savvy than Caesar. He finished purging the senate and also made sure not to hold his power too overtly - not becoming dictator perpetuus, for example. Caesar had almost total power over Rome after winning his civil war, just like Augustus did after winning the final civil war of the republic. Augustus was able to hold that power unchallenged for decades and found an imperial system lasting centuries; Caesar was assassinated a year after his final victory.
@@Sakkura1 Octavian unlike Caesar lacked tactical thinking and his *relied* on his best friend Agrippa to achieve military success. *Unlike Caesar who finished the civil war rather quickly* it took Octavian many years to achieve the same success.
KaG could there be a possible mega project for a high quality bid between history based channels like you bazbattles and epic history TV and as always beautiful video
@@gerarduriarte6748 Dont get me wrong Baz and Epic history are good. but imagine the team i call my youtube triumvirate working together. K&G, Historia Civillis and Invicta. Now that would be a damn detailed run down on a scenario. You would get it all. Politics, strategy, small character details, gear and loadout run downs, civil strife and social sways. A man can dream.
I don't think the man behind the proscriptions could claim "good intentions". (I'm not saying he didn't want to strengthen the republic but... seriously wtf was he thinking with the proscriptions? That could only be self-serving.)
@@Robert399 The Marians murdered many Sulla supporters a few years before the proscriptions. How much the proscriptions were motivated by economic pragmatism is of course hard to say, but he might have actually sincerely believed that the proscribed people were 'enemies of the state' (Sulla was a conservative, after all). You probably need to consider the context to understand what he might have been thinking.. these were chaotic times and if anything Marius was the one who started with the mass murdering.
Exceptionally well done. The whole period of Marius and Sulla,Catiline and the lead up to Julius Caesar is rarely covered as a pattern,or treated comprehensively. Good on you.
This was an excellent overview. Though it's worth noting that the Marian reforms, and the tensions which flared up during the Social Wars, also came about as the result of a sequence of disastrous military defeats, which saw terrible casualties for Rome that could not be replenished. Especially Arausio, which I honestly consider to be the worst defeat Rome ever suffered as a result of its consequences.
While Sulla's marching on Rome did much damage to Roman institution, I did have sympathy for him as the only other choice would be to give up command to Marius (who paid a tribune of the pleb to overturn the command of the army in Greece from Sulla to Marius). He didn't want forever be seen by history as the shadow of his master. Such would be too hard to accept for such a talented and ambitious political figure like he was. Rome's misfortune was to have more than one strongman at the same time.
He was a true Roman who put the interests of the state in highest regard. The fact that he dedicated his entire political career only to fix roman problems (which he himself exploited) before resigning speaks volumes about his honor and patriotism.
@@RexGalilae Caesar would do the same during his short term as dictator. In the little time he spent in Rome *after the civil war* he would put through *hundreds* of reforms hoping to fix what the Senate seemed unable too.
@@manupainkiller The man was borderline senile. Furthermore, he felt he was destined for the seventh consulship. Maybe not power-hungry, but definietly staying alive for it (he died right after his final consulship. And Sinna kept the regime going).
@@pete9320 Actually, Gaius Marius died 13 days into his seventh consulship. He had already survived two strokes, but a third hit him and that was the killer.
I appreciate the more complex look at Sulla's actions and attempt to save the Republic. It seems like many people are content with painting him as a villain/thug and moving on.
I’ve learned a lot about roman history from your channel and others but this is the first time I’ve realized how important this period and Sulla were, thank you yet again, you guys are awesome
Hey K&G, I just wanted to say that I've finally arrived home after two days of traveling where multiple delays and the fact that I had no phone or money made it an absolutely horrible trip. In the last 48 hours, I've slept maybe 1.5 hours so yeah, I feel totally shit. But yeah, watching this video made this otherwise shit day slightly better so thank you for that.
The quality of this video is simply excellent. A masterpiece. The depth and attention to detail, the explanations, how well summarized it is. Congratulations from and historian.
Great work. I love the Grachii brothers, please do a video on them! The situation was incredibly complex and the brothers interesting characters themselves. I’d be happy to send you my research, they were one of my papers for uni, which, not that it matters but I got a solid 1st for :)
This is such a good video. I always thought that the policy makers were the only wrongdoers, but it turns out that the veterans's behaviour played a role too
So, Sulla and Caeser both marched on Rome with personal armies, both refilled the Senate with their own supporters, and both began to institute reforms. However, Sulla was allowed to complete his reforms and retire to his fields, whereas Caeser was murdered in front of the Senate. Why this difference? The most likely reason would seem to be that Sulla had lists of his enemies published, and ordered their murders, whereas Caeser let his enemies live and rehabilitated them where he could. Two of the three leaders of the plot against Caeser had sided with Pompey Magnus against Caeser in the civil war. Some times it pays to keep your friends close and your enemies dead.
For a more in depth look at the history of the Grachii, Marius, and Sulla, I would highly recommend reading The Storm Before the Storm by Mike Duncan, who also created the History of Rome and Revolution podcasts.
Cincinnatus was pretty badass. He was made by the people dictator just to avoid the danger of a real dictator coming out. And then he returned back to his farm land. Very inspiring.
I did it I tapped the bell. That being said this was excellent can't wait for Crossing the Rubicon. Another excellent source is the HBO series ROME which visualizes your written word. Also I recommend Colleen McCoullough's First Man in Rome series which goes from Marius through to the death of Mark Antony and the establishment of the Empire. The other part of this is that no Republic survives. The American founding fathers modeled our Republic on the Old Roman Republic. In effect they were all Catonians.
republics are badass, seriously i cant sing your praises enough, i would imagine any history teacher who wants to get their students engaged could show them this.
a bit of history not well touched on in history class but however impacts our lives to this day. noice! continue the good work. your content is regular and always enriched with knowledge
@@KingsandGenerals The gallic campaigns are well documented by Historia Civillis (which I'd love to see you collaborate with) but I don't think the battles between Augustus and Antony are covered, as well as the Augustan expansion of the empire where he reclaimed Hispania, the Alpine states, and the Balkans into the imperial fold. I can go on about his successes in solidifying Julius's expansion, cementing Romes hold over the territories. However, I'm pretty certain you can do so more entertainingly with a video ;). Keep up the good work, brother. Love the vids.
If you think about it, Marius could have avoided all these problems with military strongmen by creating a counterbalance to the Legions. The biggest problem was that the Legions, with no loyalty to the state, were largely unopposed were they to ever march on Rome. In that situation, the best thing to have is a secondary paramilitary force to act as a counterweight to an unreliable military. In Iran, it's the Revolutionary Guard, in the Soviet Union, it was the NKVD, in Nazi Germany, it was the SS. Similarly, Augustus saw the danger posed by the Legion and created the Praetorian Guard as his insurance against potentially disloyal Legions. Marius should have similarly created a Senatorial Praetorian Guard drawn up from the landed veterans of the pre-Marian Legions who would garrison Italy. In peacetime, they would work their fields, train, and provide policing services. And if Italy was ever threatened by the Legions, they would be mobilized to defend the Republic. But, as they say. Hindsight is 20/20. I can't imagine Marius could have foreseen the political ramifications of his reforms, especially as the Roman military was suffering defeats against the Cimbrians
I love this channel, but I don't get for the life of me why you would show a soldier wearing segmentata at 1:26, when talking abt Marian reforms, which came almost 100 years before segmentata and why you would show a centurian at 3:00 when talking about a general.
How on earth could those senators possibly expect that the soldiers would fight for the property rights of the very same people that stole their farm land.
I think the army reforms would've come without Marius. The Empire had just grown too big to be defended by part time soldiers. The transition to a standing army had to be made. I think the attachment the troops had to their commanders was also not just economic, but was born on the battlefield. Troops trusted the men who'd led them to victories and looked after them for years. The longer campaigns of the late republic contributed to this: in the past, consuls commanding the legions would serve one year and then pass the torch, but Sulla, Marius, Pompey and Caesar all led much longer campaigns, having more time to get to know their troops and form a bond. It may well have gone two ways: I'm sure many of the generals were sincerely worried about their men and their welfare after demobilization. Reintegrating long-serving veterans into society is something almost all war waging societies struggle with and Rome was never an exception.
This isn't an advertisement or anything like that but there's a channel called historia civilis which goes into detail about roman politics and wars, mainly ceaser and the civil war
I felt like I was watching American history. The only thing needed in America right now is some character like General Shepard from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 to repeat the history. Great vid by the way.
Love your videos! Learned so much that isn't taught in most history classes! Can you cover the First or Second Bulgarian Empires (or maybe both) and their influence towards the slavic world and it's written culture? Would be awesome!
He was aware of the fact that the system he created would offer opportunities for ambitious generals he even experienced this himself and after wielding such great power which made the changes possible in the first place he sought to reduce the opportunities enabled by this system only finding it somewhat adequate enough as such being content with it *after* realizing these mistakes and trying to correct them. Marius was aware and he tried to change it eventually thinking it to be robust enough but as we saw later this was to no avail.
End the year with a bang guys, as every day you guys push interest. And Devin again great narration, once more, something on 1914 will indeed be soothing for the years end. I've been looking at the Bible's connection on that particular year check into it please.
@@KingsandGenerals it's fine, take whatever time you need as long as you produce good content, I love this channel and I hope you guys stick around releasing good stuff. I really like how this is all building towards that Caesar series.
Funny thing is Sulla once had a chance to execute a 16 year old Julius Caesar (who's related to Marius by marriage) spared the young patrician even though he considered him to be a hundred Mariuses. So despite all his efforts in trying to preserve the Republic and prevent a repetition of his own power grab, by sparing Caesar he instead gave the Republic the final nails to its coffin. And for added irony Caesar was originally set to become a priest of Venus but Sulla had banned him from entering the priesthood. In doing so he allowed Caesar to pursue a military career which he would not have been allowed to do had he become a priest.
Err... the office of a priest didn't exclude you from pursuing a regular political and military career; on the contrary, getting one of the higher religious offices was a political action. Consequently, Caesar became _flamen Dialis_ (high priest of Jupiter) in 84, and was voted into the office of _pontifex maximus_ in 63 BCE, one of his first steps towards political importance.
@@varana Actually becoming a priest meant he was forbidden to even touch weapons thus not allowed to join the military at least while he remains a priest. My point was had Caesar being allowed to continue his pathway as part of the Roman clergy, he would not have entered the military or become such a great threat to the Republic. But because Sulla had toppled Marius and taken power for himself, and then stripped Caesar of the position of Flamen Dialis and even had him prescribed later on which made Caesar flee Rome and joined the military where he gained much beneficial experience and in four years got his own command.
@@barbiquearea That doesn't change the fact that he became a member of the college of the pontifices again in 73 and Pontifex Maximus in 63. The flamen Dialis had some archaic restrictions that came with the office, not priests in general.
Thanks for the amazing vids! Roma Invicta!! Since personally I prefer the Late Republican and Early Imperial times I really like your videos that take place at those times in history! Please keep up the great work!
Nicely done! I’m loving the fact that you’re going into such detail about the social and political motivations that led to the fall of the Republic instead of just the battles that would inevitably come.
Your podcasts are unreal too man. Why not do a deep dive into this as a follow up to your 'Delenda est Carthago' series??
@@vonwagner1257 I remember Dan Carlin dippet his toe into this subject in his 2nd episode of Addendum, "Rome through Duncan's Eyes".
To be fair. This doesn't even begin to scratch the surface. Let alone dig deep. Check out the History of Rome podcast by Mark Duncan. Hundred plus hours of their entire history. Truly digging deep
"As the Senate was putting off problems instead of solving them, had increased the legitimacy of populist politicians"... I can see some parallels here in some modern democracies
History not only repeats itself it also rhymes.
Agreed. I can see what's going to happen. And it's not good. It will probably happen again and again. Mark my words.
@Daniel b Sure Augustus was an effective leader but it didn't take long for the state to inherit Caligula...
@Daniel b alrighty we have the basic rules of our dynasty. How do we avoid civil wars springing from the inevitable shunned child? I agree with the basic principle but find it hard to see Commodus taking it im his stride when Marcus aurelius chooses Russell Crowe instead of him
@Daniel b True i guess the key difference is the allegiance of the military. Whomever controls the force would control the country. I wish we could model this all in a computer simulation to test various constitutions
I solved all problems by marching onto the Directory
You learned well from the history of the SPQR.
From Brazil: Cê é o bichão mermo, hein doido?
my lord consul
Shut up Loser!
@@patricianoftheplebs6015 What does 'Patrician of the Plebs' mean? Is it like Conservative of the Liberals? Or maybe, Noble of the Homeless? Your nouns are contradictory.
Cassius: In the name of the Senate of the Roman Republic, you are under arrest, dictator.
Caesar: Are you threatening me, Patritius?
Cassius: The Senate will decide your fate.
Caesar: I am the Senate.
Cassius: Not yet.
Caesar: It's treason, then.
Unfortunately, Julius Caesar was not an evil space wizard.
@@RamdomView He should have been.
I can only imagine this scene.
@@podemosurss8316
Eh, the people who killed him/fought him in the Senate are more of the evil in this instance. All they did was secured their destruction by killing him. Ceaser was the last sign that they had fucked up for over a century and then they figured they could kill him and not have it blow up in their faces.
Augustus: I will finish… what you started.
Marius actually did march on Rome while Sulla was campaigning against King Mithridates VI. Sulla marched on Rome in order to get back the supreme command for the war against Mithirdates which was strippped off of him. Then Marius did the same while Sulla was in the East, and when Sulla returned (Marius had already died just a few days into his seventh consulship) he marched on Rome a second time. Fun fact: Both Marius and Sulla married women of the Julii Caesares. In a way they both were family of Gaius Julius Caesar.
Yes, the first ambitious one is Marius then
The Gracchi Brothers story always unnerved me. Like a primitive version of the Kennedy's assassinations but the Senate went out and murdered them.
Same here.
The gracchi were trying to gain power through populism
@@vladdrakul7851
You used the term "Alt Righter" wrong.
@@vladdrakul7851 you lost me the conspiracy ramblings WikiLeaks has been compromised by Russia and was used to advance their interests as you saw in the 2016 us election
also your delusional if you think Sweden or the UK are going fucking torture him lol
@@vladdrakul7851 well someone is.....informed..... I guess?
Caesar is not only a *tactical genius* but also a *political master.* The entire time he was wining battle after battle in Gaul, *which btw he would hold the world record of pitched battles fought until Napoleon,* he was also out maneuvering his political enemies such as Cato the younger who are also brilliant in his own way.
Caesar is a good candidate for the title of *genius* because in both aspects of life, *combat and political* he dominated his enemies. *Very few people have ever done this.*
You will repeat exactly the same message on each video ?
Caesar was not a political master; he got stabbed because he was too overtly accumulating power, without having purged the senate. Augustus committed neither of those mistakes and had a long, highly successful reign as a result.
Sakkura1 Agustus was emperor with absolute power pretty much. Caesar was an ambitious general who hadn’t had the power yet and was really trying too overturn the corruption of the republic.
@@Derperfier Augustus BECAME emperor, he did not start that way. The reason he was able to accrue so much actual power without getting assassinated was that he was more politically savvy than Caesar. He finished purging the senate and also made sure not to hold his power too overtly - not becoming dictator perpetuus, for example. Caesar had almost total power over Rome after winning his civil war, just like Augustus did after winning the final civil war of the republic. Augustus was able to hold that power unchallenged for decades and found an imperial system lasting centuries; Caesar was assassinated a year after his final victory.
@@Sakkura1 Octavian unlike Caesar lacked tactical thinking and his *relied* on his best friend Agrippa to achieve military success. *Unlike Caesar who finished the civil war rather quickly* it took Octavian many years to achieve the same success.
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Yep, gearing towards our Caesar series.
Keep them coming bby.
KaG could there be a possible mega project for a high quality bid between history based channels like you bazbattles and epic history TV and as always beautiful video
Great vid can you do a one on roman martial arts, the jatt(indo scytians), war tatics or rome and romes enemies?
@@gerarduriarte6748 Dont get me wrong Baz and Epic history are good. but imagine the team i call my youtube triumvirate working together. K&G, Historia Civillis and Invicta. Now that would be a damn detailed run down on a scenario. You would get it all. Politics, strategy, small character details, gear and loadout run downs, civil strife and social sways. A man can dream.
@@Saint_Sin who says that there can only be three creators:)
Sulla: the man who inspired the saying, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
Your probably right.
I don't think the man behind the proscriptions could claim "good intentions". (I'm not saying he didn't want to strengthen the republic but... seriously wtf was he thinking with the proscriptions? That could only be self-serving.)
@Zahir Datoo The dominos fall.
@@Robert399 The Marians murdered many Sulla supporters a few years before the proscriptions. How much the proscriptions were motivated by economic pragmatism is of course hard to say, but he might have actually sincerely believed that the proscribed people were 'enemies of the state' (Sulla was a conservative, after all). You probably need to consider the context to understand what he might have been thinking.. these were chaotic times and if anything Marius was the one who started with the mass murdering.
@Zahir Datoo Unlikely, given Sulla was an Optimate.
Exceptionally well done. The whole period of Marius and Sulla,Catiline and the lead up to Julius Caesar is rarely covered as a pattern,or treated comprehensively. Good on you.
Thank you very much :-)
@@KingsandGenerals my name is marius
This is the only channel where I have pushed that bell button.
We appreciate it!
Same here
this channel and epic history :) the rest of youtube might aswell give up ^^
History is the majority of my notifs aside from gaming and politics of course
This was an excellent overview. Though it's worth noting that the Marian reforms, and the tensions which flared up during the Social Wars, also came about as the result of a sequence of disastrous military defeats, which saw terrible casualties for Rome that could not be replenished. Especially Arausio, which I honestly consider to be the worst defeat Rome ever suffered as a result of its consequences.
I would love to see a more in depth exploration of the Gracchi brother's and the situation of their respective assassinations.
While Sulla's marching on Rome did much damage to Roman institution, I did have sympathy for him as the only other choice would be to give up command to Marius (who paid a tribune of the pleb to overturn the command of the army in Greece from Sulla to Marius). He didn't want forever be seen by history as the shadow of his master. Such would be too hard to accept for such a talented and ambitious political figure like he was.
Rome's misfortune was to have more than one strongman at the same time.
right, he was patrician who went protecting his honor with sword, could we blame him for that?
He was a true Roman who put the interests of the state in highest regard. The fact that he dedicated his entire political career only to fix roman problems (which he himself exploited) before resigning speaks volumes about his honor and patriotism.
@@RexGalilae Caesar would do the same during his short term as dictator. In the little time he spent in Rome *after the civil war* he would put through *hundreds* of reforms hoping to fix what the Senate seemed unable too.
@@manupainkiller The man was borderline senile. Furthermore, he felt he was destined for the seventh consulship. Maybe not power-hungry, but definietly staying alive for it (he died right after his final consulship. And Sinna kept the regime going).
@@pete9320 Actually, Gaius Marius died 13 days into his seventh consulship. He had already survived two strokes, but a third hit him and that was the killer.
I appreciate the more complex look at Sulla's actions and attempt to save the Republic. It seems like many people are content with painting him as a villain/thug and moving on.
I’ve learned a lot about roman history from your channel and others but this is the first time I’ve realized how important this period and Sulla were, thank you yet again, you guys are awesome
Hey K&G,
I just wanted to say that I've finally arrived home after two days of traveling where multiple delays and the fact that I had no phone or money made it an absolutely horrible trip. In the last 48 hours, I've slept maybe 1.5 hours so yeah, I feel totally shit. But yeah, watching this video made this otherwise shit day slightly better so thank you for that.
I am happy that you are safe and sound, my friend!
This is Barris! - French History I hope you get energised soon brother man.
@@KingsandGenerals Thank you! I've slept a good 10 hours so I feel much better now.
These documentaries keep getting better & better.
Please do a series on Sulla's civil war the way you did with Caesar.
From Marius to Caesar...what men Roma produced!
@Ozymandias Ozy94 to Lucianone Spalletti
@@DavideMontingelliOfficial And in the end Mussolini the climax of its production
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@@triglos5413 Savage but true.
Those men were great, but they also destroyed the Republic.
So in love, someone finally covers Marius's reforms and political conflicts in the period before J. Caesar
The quality of this video is simply excellent. A masterpiece. The depth and attention to detail, the explanations, how well summarized it is. Congratulations from and historian.
Great work. I love the Grachii brothers, please do a video on them! The situation was incredibly complex and the brothers interesting characters themselves. I’d be happy to send you my research, they were one of my papers for uni, which, not that it matters but I got a solid 1st for :)
Thanks! Considering! Good job! :-)
Sulla, the ultimate example of "What have I done?"
I recalled that quote too when watching this video.
This is such a good video. I always thought that the policy makers were the only wrongdoers, but it turns out that the veterans's behaviour played a role too
Thanks for watching!
I love this guy's voice. It is clear, precise and not boring to listen to, unlike most videos like this.
He is also a great guy to work with. :-)
The day is always better with a new Kings and Generals video!
Thank you!
I LOVE all your classical history videos.
Great video! Can't wait for the Gallic wars 😃
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Great to see that a history channel was on to ripple effects instead of the usual lists of names, dates, and battles.
We need an extended version (at least 25 minutes in duration) of this video.
So, Sulla and Caeser both marched on Rome with personal armies, both refilled the Senate with their own supporters, and both began to institute reforms. However, Sulla was allowed to complete his reforms and retire to his fields, whereas Caeser was murdered in front of the Senate. Why this difference? The most likely reason would seem to be that Sulla had lists of his enemies published, and ordered their murders, whereas Caeser let his enemies live and rehabilitated them where he could. Two of the three leaders of the plot against Caeser had sided with Pompey Magnus against Caeser in the civil war. Some times it pays to keep your friends close and your enemies dead.
Sulla's reforms got instantly overturned once he stepped out of office tbh. Often by his own supporters
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The channel just keep getting better and better, I'm lovin' it!
Thank you very much! :-)
For a more in depth look at the history of the Grachii, Marius, and Sulla, I would highly recommend reading The Storm Before the Storm by Mike Duncan, who also created the History of Rome and Revolution podcasts.
Cincinnatus was pretty badass. He was made by the people dictator just to avoid the danger of a real dictator coming out. And then he returned back to his farm land. Very inspiring.
Another great one. Please keep it up. Thank you.
More on the way!
Great political analysis. Never cease to learn something from Roman history that still seem relevant today.
Awesome video as always. If you take suggestions i'd love to videos on Catiline's war or Jugurtha's war.
really nice summary of an incredibly complex subject...well done guys ,really nice one
Thanks! We'll try to cover each of the events in this video in more detail down the line!
@@KingsandGenerals cant wait
I did it I tapped the bell.
That being said this was excellent can't wait for Crossing the Rubicon.
Another excellent source is the HBO series ROME which visualizes your written word. Also I recommend Colleen McCoullough's First Man in Rome series which goes from Marius through to the death of Mark Antony and the establishment of the Empire.
The other part of this is that no Republic survives. The American founding fathers modeled our Republic on the Old Roman Republic. In effect they were all Catonians.
Thank you!
The real notification squad know's this is a reupload. once again the almost silent Age of Empire sounds at 4:10 lovely detail. Love the roman vids.
There was a mistake in the first attempt. :-) Thank you!
Why was the previous taken down?
Duck
it had some technical issues.
I watched it already when it was uploaded before
Mate I cant get enough of these videos
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I am honoured to receive a thanks!
republics are badass, seriously i cant sing your praises enough, i would imagine any history teacher who wants to get their students engaged could show them this.
Very interesting!
I love all roman stuff!
a bit of history not well touched on in history class but however impacts our lives to this day. noice! continue the good work. your content is regular and always enriched with knowledge
Let me guess, from this video you will smoothly transition into covering Caesar's campaign in Gaul, correct?
We'll see ;-)
@@KingsandGenerals The gallic campaigns are well documented by Historia Civillis (which I'd love to see you collaborate with) but I don't think the battles between Augustus and Antony are covered, as well as the Augustan expansion of the empire where he reclaimed Hispania, the Alpine states, and the Balkans into the imperial fold.
I can go on about his successes in solidifying Julius's expansion, cementing Romes hold over the territories. However, I'm pretty certain you can do so more entertainingly with a video ;).
Keep up the good work, brother. Love the vids.
Hardcore History covers this story in more depth. It is a great series! A must listen!
If you think about it, Marius could have avoided all these problems with military strongmen by creating a counterbalance to the Legions.
The biggest problem was that the Legions, with no loyalty to the state, were largely unopposed were they to ever march on Rome. In that situation, the best thing to have is a secondary paramilitary force to act as a counterweight to an unreliable military. In Iran, it's the Revolutionary Guard, in the Soviet Union, it was the NKVD, in Nazi Germany, it was the SS.
Similarly, Augustus saw the danger posed by the Legion and created the Praetorian Guard as his insurance against potentially disloyal Legions.
Marius should have similarly created a Senatorial Praetorian Guard drawn up from the landed veterans of the pre-Marian Legions who would garrison Italy. In peacetime, they would work their fields, train, and provide policing services. And if Italy was ever threatened by the Legions, they would be mobilized to defend the Republic.
But, as they say. Hindsight is 20/20. I can't imagine Marius could have foreseen the political ramifications of his reforms, especially as the Roman military was suffering defeats against the Cimbrians
I love this channel, but I don't get for the life of me why you would show a soldier wearing segmentata at 1:26, when talking abt Marian reforms, which came almost 100 years before segmentata and why you would show a centurian at 3:00 when talking about a general.
An advert that's not Great Courses Plus or Brilliant.com?! What a time to be alive.
A youtube veteran, I assume. :-)
@@KingsandGenerals ;-)
5:10 Ah... Yeah, I remember watching Extra History's series on them... Pretty sad story, honestly...
Gracchus brothers... The Kennedy brothers of their times...
I'm at home, sick, and what better way to brighten the day then watching a Kings and Generals video. The die will soon be cast
I really hope the Dacian Wars will be covered in great detail
It will happen, but I still haven't looked into the sources, so I have no idea.
If you ever do a documentary like this for the Rise of the British Royal Navy, HOO BOI
Will consider. :-)
8:59 Marius and Sulla made a Tinder match!
Great videos as always, are you thinking about making the mongols season 2 that would be awesome
Thanks! yes, it is in the works!
How on earth could those senators possibly expect that the soldiers would fight for the property rights of the very same people that stole their farm land.
Senators were allowed to engage in only two bussinesses: slave trade and farming.
Hello, Have you considered sorting the Roman History Playlist by chronological order? I think it would help people tackle it better.
This video is brilliant. It lays out the Marian reforms and how the game changed. Sulla and Caesar realized the change, Marius and Pompey did not.
Can you do a video on logistics, administrations, garrisons etc?
Planning to!
a series about peloponnesian war would be cool i think
nothing better then another K&G video!!!!!!!!
Thank you very much!
"First, you must learn to pull an oar. Only then can you take the helm"
How is is that you can generate such high quality content? Do you have a professional team making animations? Amazing.
New videos are better, check them out :-)
I find this fascinating. Thank you!
I think the army reforms would've come without Marius. The Empire had just grown too big to be defended by part time soldiers. The transition to a standing army had to be made. I think the attachment the troops had to their commanders was also not just economic, but was born on the battlefield. Troops trusted the men who'd led them to victories and looked after them for years. The longer campaigns of the late republic contributed to this: in the past, consuls commanding the legions would serve one year and then pass the torch, but Sulla, Marius, Pompey and Caesar all led much longer campaigns, having more time to get to know their troops and form a bond. It may well have gone two ways: I'm sure many of the generals were sincerely worried about their men and their welfare after demobilization.
Reintegrating long-serving veterans into society is something almost all war waging societies struggle with and Rome was never an exception.
This isn't an advertisement or anything like that but there's a channel called historia civilis which goes into detail about roman politics and wars, mainly ceaser and the civil war
A rich and exciting period... just like this video...Qui emit te salutant!
Thank you for watching!
I felt like I was watching American history. The only thing needed in America right now is some character like General Shepard from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 to repeat the history.
Great vid by the way.
Thanks for watching!
Love your videos! Learned so much that isn't taught in most history classes!
Can you cover the First or Second Bulgarian Empires (or maybe both) and their influence towards the slavic world and it's written culture? Would be awesome!
Simply magnificent video.
Good job As always
Thank you!
Very insightful. Thanks!
I'm a little bit disappointed that you didn't talk about the proscription lists from Sulla. They are very defining for his reign.
And too little information about Catilina :( but on the other hand: it's Roman history, I love Roman history and your channel is awesome in general :D
He was aware of the fact that the system he created would offer opportunities for ambitious generals he even experienced this himself and after wielding such great power which made the changes possible in the first place he sought to reduce the opportunities enabled by this system only finding it somewhat adequate enough as such being content with it *after* realizing these mistakes and trying to correct them. Marius was aware and he tried to change it eventually thinking it to be robust enough but as we saw later this was to no avail.
Thanks for the video.
End the year with a bang guys, as every day you guys push interest. And Devin again great narration, once more, something on 1914 will indeed be soothing for the years end. I've been looking at the Bible's connection on that particular year check into it please.
Wonderful video.
Thanks!
I was notified of this yesterday long before this actually came out, was it deleted and reuploaded again?
Yep, there was a technical problem. Sorry about double notification.
@@KingsandGenerals it's fine, take whatever time you need as long as you produce good content, I love this channel and I hope you guys stick around releasing good stuff.
I really like how this is all building towards that Caesar series.
We need an "It was Inevitable" t-shirt
Loved this one.
Sulla is quite the underrated figure in roman history compared to figures like caesar and pompey.
I heard that aoe2 soldier recruit sound at 4:03 well played
I love how you just use total war footage for your documentaries
I love how every policy Sulla put down, Ceaser just blatantly ignored.
Funny thing is Sulla once had a chance to execute a 16 year old Julius Caesar (who's related to Marius by marriage) spared the young patrician even though he considered him to be a hundred Mariuses. So despite all his efforts in trying to preserve the Republic and prevent a repetition of his own power grab, by sparing Caesar he instead gave the Republic the final nails to its coffin. And for added irony Caesar was originally set to become a priest of Venus but Sulla had banned him from entering the priesthood. In doing so he allowed Caesar to pursue a military career which he would not have been allowed to do had he become a priest.
Err... the office of a priest didn't exclude you from pursuing a regular political and military career; on the contrary, getting one of the higher religious offices was a political action. Consequently, Caesar became _flamen Dialis_ (high priest of Jupiter) in 84, and was voted into the office of _pontifex maximus_ in 63 BCE, one of his first steps towards political importance.
@@varana Actually becoming a priest meant he was forbidden to even touch weapons thus not allowed to join the military at least while he remains a priest. My point was had Caesar being allowed to continue his pathway as part of the Roman clergy, he would not have entered the military or become such a great threat to the Republic. But because Sulla had toppled Marius and taken power for himself, and then stripped Caesar of the position of Flamen Dialis and even had him prescribed later on which made Caesar flee Rome and joined the military where he gained much beneficial experience and in four years got his own command.
@@barbiquearea That doesn't change the fact that he became a member of the college of the pontifices again in 73 and Pontifex Maximus in 63. The flamen Dialis had some archaic restrictions that came with the office, not priests in general.
Great video. Rather than a dictator, the Senate seemed hellbent on slitting it's own throat. How little things change. Bravo for history well told.
Thanks for watching!
Can you please do more WW2 Battles.
Considering!
Interesting!
At 3:39, wasn't Cincinnatus preventing an Aequi and Sabines invasion rather than a Gallic one? Maybe thinking of Camille's dictatorship for the Gauls?
Another amazing video from K&G as always! Can you guys make videos about the Khmer Empire?
Thanks! We'll consider it!
Love your Videos.....Can u please make a video about Illyria ?
Thanks! Considering!
Where do you get all this historical info for the documentary from? Sharing the source in the description will be highly appreciated. Thank you.
The sources are in the description
@@KingsandGenerals thanks I forgot to click on the little arrow to reveal it :-) my bad. Thanks again.
Thanks for the amazing vids! Roma Invicta!! Since personally I prefer the Late Republican and Early Imperial times I really like your videos that take place at those times in history! Please keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching!
It would be nice if we got a list of the music here as opposed to a simple link to a giant archive of music, especially the first track.
I will tell our music guy.
+@@KingsandGenerals+ Thank You, Oh and by first track I meant first one after the commercial.
rip total war arena ;_;
i loved your video about the marian reforms
Thanks!
awesome video
Thank you!