I wish more people fell in love with Mamamoo like I did, BlackPink was my first group, I only listened to BP and always said that no other group would win me over like BlackPink, until I watched Mamamoo on Killing Voice, and since then I've stuck to these women, it hasn't been a month since I joined the fandom but I'm already sure that they have the greatest vocals in Kpop. I was hooked on Hwasa from the beginning, I didn't know anything about her, but from the beginning when I saw her for the first time in that video I said: "My God, this woman is definitely not up to Korean standards" and I was right, Hwasa das 4 was the one who suffered the most hate because of her appearance, but for me she is the most beautiful❤️
Normally I would tell you to listen to a lot more vocalists before making up your mind, but having listened to 100+ Korean girl groups myself, you're not wrong.
thank you! Can you react to "Why mamamoo is most underated group in kpop by nahiseokie" amazing documentary so well made by a fan. professional quality level and best out there. recently released few weeks ago.
Sad additional trivia: Hwasa, or more specifically one of Hwasa's haters, is the reason TH-cam had to turn off fan made translations. Some jackass went through all of Mamamoo's videos and "translated" the titles to, "I'm going to kill Hwasa," and similar hateful statements. I can only hope that person was tracked down and beaten within an inch of his life, but I'm not optimistic that actually happened.
i recommend you to react to this video essay made by a MooMoo, it is really well made. its title is "why MAMAMOO is the most underrated kpop group" made by "nahiseokie"
Hwasa's is one of the savage queens of Kpop for real Please react to her soloes Maria and I love my body and (in my opinion) actually Hwasa's body is normal, the other idols are very thin and it's bad for their health.
KBS(Korean Beauty Standars), much like other places in Asia(Japan, China) are toxic and totally unrealistic. She still get hate... Mamamoo is considered "ugly" by KBS standards. IT'S ABSOLUTLY INSANE.
Mamamoo M/V's you might was to add to your growing list... [MV] 마마무 (MAMAMOO) - Where Are We Now th-cam.com/video/zzk09ESX7e0/w-d-xo.html [MV] 솔라 (Solar) - 꿀 (HONEY) th-cam.com/video/UHiSc_M0xQU/w-d-xo.html [MV] MOONBYUL (문별) - Eclipse (달이 태양을 가릴 때) th-cam.com/video/oCTqcTe1lIA/w-d-xo.html [MV] 휘인 (Whee In) - water color th-cam.com/video/ShFKF2YN7H0/w-d-xo.html [MV] 화사 (Hwa Sa) - 마리아 (Maria) th-cam.com/video/brZRDjFIFJs/w-d-xo.html This is a MUST SEE by Moonbyul [Special] 서툰 이별을 하려해 (Cover by 문별) th-cam.com/video/ZjhctbeifW0/w-d-xo.html [4K] MAMAMOO MoonByul - Refuge th-cam.com/video/xdg6jpzy_6I/w-d-xo.html Solar does A LOT of covers on her TH-cam channel "SOLARSIDO" th-cam.com/video/MtouVdPDjCE/w-d-xo.html Here are ones not on her channel: SOLAR [MAMAMOO] - "Unholy" Acoustic Ver. Live [Sam Smith & Kim Petras Cover] th-cam.com/video/xukIiJX6rZI/w-d-xo.html [KCON 2019 LA] Solar (솔라/MAMAMOO 마마무) | Speechless th-cam.com/video/1Miv3gW07c8/w-d-xo.html
Please react to [MV] 화사 (Hwa Sa) - LMM ... On official MAMAMOO with Subtitles. It’s a response to the slings and arrows, those negative comments against her, and the realization that through it all the only one that can truly hurt her is herself... if she allows it. Not only only one of the most beautiful songs in the Korean industry but one of the most beautiful ever written. A true work of art.
All of the members of Mamamoo talk about getting sent home from auditions. They were all constantly rejected for different reasons. Solar gives the most OUTRAGEOUS auditions in history,.. and she gets sent home for being too old to invest in. They made their own way together. Hwasa is maybe the most gorgeous person on the planet right now. The only thing that even comes close to how beautiful she is,.. is maybe Raquel Welch mid-60s? But yes asian cultures have very strict beauty standards. Hwasa flaunts her body specifically BECAUSE they called her fat and ugly. So here it IS,.. I'm beautiful!! Should we mention that she can sing and dance like a BOSS??
I swear, part of the 'Korean Beauty Standard' is based on the 'Chinese Thinspo' model. Koreans want their Female Idols to be paper-thin but then those same fans get mad when their Idols can't perform because they are STARVING THEMSELVES TO DEATH (in order to stay within the impossible confines of that bullshit 'standard'), get sick easily or pass out on stage from being over-worked and under-fed. That 'standard' in the Entertainment Industry is ANYTHING BUT 'standard', since it clearly leaves out 90% of Koreans. People have literally K***ED themselves because they can't fit into that impossible box forever. Age is also part of that stupid impossible 'standard'; the Industry tries to throw people away once they get near 30 years old, as if that is OLD. Just imagine that for a minute; these Idols don't get to have real childhoods, they spend their ENTIRE youth training to do this job so they will be able to at least live 'comfortably' for the rest of their lives (if not actually being truly wealthy like an incredibly lucky few of them, then at least comfortable) but guess what? 30 years is seen as OLD! WHAT!? In Hwasa's case specifically, she is what we in the U.S. would call 'an Exotic Beauty'. If she ever had to leave Korea because of all that hatred, GUARANTEED the U.S. Entertainment Industry would take her in a heartbeat! Even if her English has not improved, that would not matter; somebody would go out-of-their-way to find and provide a good translator for as long as Hwasa needed or wanted one. She's already Royalty over here, she just doesn't know it yet. I am fairly sure that if it really got THAT BAD over there, at least one of the other members of Mamamoo would come over here with her if she was to move.
See this is the problem - there's nothing wrong with Korean beauty standards, just as there is nothing wrong with western beauty standards, or African, or Arabic. They are what they are. For a reason. They don't have anymore strict beauty standards than the west. The west is obsessed with African-American culture - dark tones and big butts. Big butts have never been a thing outside of AA culture until now. You're just viewing it from a westernized perspective.
@@jamescurfman3284 No, it's really not. It's based on socio-historical class culture. For example - a woman is supposed to look delicate. Not sexual, because they're not of the courtesan class, not dark skinned, because they don't work in the fields and not fat, because they put their family first when it comes to eating. Very much rooted in old society and pre-80's was the norm everywhere else. Hwasa is very Americanized in her look. She idolizes Rhianna. She makes her skin dark, does her make up very Latina/AA, focuses on her shape. Ergo, Westerners or people attracted to that look are over the top attracted to her. So much so that they completely overlook say, Wheein, who has a very asian look. It's not Korea who is wrong (though they shouldn't attack Hwasa), but Westerners are full out obsessed with anyone who looks AA/Latina esque and therefore gloam to Hwasa over others. She's not overly beautiful, she's just to your westernized tastes.
@@hanashi5727 Bullshit. Go look up the word 'standard' and then get back to me. There is EVERYTHING WRONG with a system that either kills people or makes them so desperate that they end themselves. The Entertainment Industry (all over the world, not just Korea) is not looking for 'standard', they are looking for 'exceptional'. 'Standard' would imply that HALF of the population would fit in that box. Guess what? WRONG! 'They are what they are' because there are some happy fat OLD WEALTHY guys sitting around and this is what they like to see. It's a FETISH by those wrinkly old farts and has very little to do with real life of any average people of any population. The Korean version is FAR more strict than what we have going on over here. Ask all of the members of Twice which member they envy as far as looks go; most of them will say Dahyun, and their reasoning is that she has THE MOST PALE complexion of all of them. Where did they get the notion that pale skin is somehow 'better' than what the rest of them have? It's CONDITIONING, just like everybody else. It has been going on for DECADES. Too bad MONEY TALKS. That's 'the reason' that 'they are what they are'. Wealthy people control the media. Those few people at the top of the money heap TELL the camera crews and directors what commercials to make and they TELL the television stations what commercials to air. In this way, they TELL the population what is 'acceptable' and what is 'ugly' or what is 'beautiful'. Over many years time, the entire long-sighted campaign brain-washes people to see what those old asses want them to see. That's ALSO how it works over here. It's just that our beauty 'standard' is far more lenient, open and relaxed because the U.S. is indeed 'the Melding Pot of the World'. Our average bloodlines are literally from everywhere at once. We don't have just a single template to judge beauty by, we have ALL of the different templates from all over the world and new ones have to be made when people of mixed heritage come along. I personally have NEVER liked the Big Butt look (or big breasts, for that matter). Darker skin tone than mine, sure, but that is because I am so Sickly-Pasty-White that I nearly glow-in-the-dark if I don't get enough sunlight. It's not even ALL Americans who like what you think we all like. But it's REALLY EASY to see EXACTLY what Koreans like. There are a few videos about it and they get VERY SPECIFIC about what is acceptable as the 'KBS'. Look up videos about 'The Golden Ratio' in Korea.
@@hanashi5727 'a woman is supposed to look delicate'...ACCORDING TO WHOM? 'Courtesan class'? REALLY? The Class Wars are still on? I thought all of that was to have been ABOLISHED. Dark skin from working in the fields...RIIIGHT. Ask Hwasa if she has ever personally been a farmer. Ask her when the last member of her family was a farmer. She doesn't MAKE herself darker, she IS darker naturally and simply has not LIGHTENED her skin chemically like some other Idols have been known to do. Good god, have you lost touch with reality? Or have you simply swallowed the Blue Pill? Or are you just not paying any attention and are now just talking out your ass?
![[MAMAMOO] Don’t laugh MMMmuch 2021](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KKEfy2L0lLg/mqdefault.jpg)
Wheein,💙
I wish more people fell in love with Mamamoo like I did, BlackPink was my first group, I only listened to BP and always said that no other group would win me over like BlackPink, until I watched Mamamoo on Killing Voice, and since then I've stuck to these women, it hasn't been a month since I joined the fandom but I'm already sure that they have the greatest vocals in Kpop. I was hooked on Hwasa from the beginning, I didn't know anything about her, but from the beginning when I saw her for the first time in that video I said: "My God, this woman is definitely not up to Korean standards" and I was right, Hwasa das 4 was the one who suffered the most hate because of her appearance, but for me she is the most beautiful❤️
Normally I would tell you to listen to a lot more vocalists before making up your mind, but having listened to 100+ Korean girl groups myself, you're not wrong.
All have amazing solos.. rec Wheein "easy or watercolor" hwasa "maria/LMM" Moonbyul "Eclipse or absence" solar :"honey or bluebird'
mamamoo in the haunted mansion is great too
YES! :D
thank you! Can you react to "Why mamamoo is most underated group in kpop by nahiseokie" amazing documentary so well made by a fan. professional quality level and best out there. recently released few weeks ago.
❤❤❤❤ i love your channel please keep mamamoo and their solos ❤️❤️❤️
Sad additional trivia: Hwasa, or more specifically one of Hwasa's haters, is the reason TH-cam had to turn off fan made translations. Some jackass went through all of Mamamoo's videos and "translated" the titles to, "I'm going to kill Hwasa," and similar hateful statements. I can only hope that person was tracked down and beaten within an inch of his life, but I'm not optimistic that actually happened.
Thank you
i recommend you to react to this video essay made by a MooMoo, it is really well made. its title is "why MAMAMOO is the most underrated kpop group" made by "nahiseokie"
Hwasa's is one of the savage queens of Kpop for real
Please react to her soloes Maria and I love my body
and (in my opinion) actually Hwasa's body is normal, the other idols are very thin and it's bad for their health.
It looks like our musical tastes overlap quite a bit. My top 3 groups right now are Mamamoo, Hanabie, and MTH.
KBS(Korean Beauty Standars), much like other places in Asia(Japan, China) are toxic and totally unrealistic.
She still get hate... Mamamoo is considered "ugly" by KBS standards. IT'S ABSOLUTLY INSANE.
Mamamoo M/V's you might was to add to your growing list...
[MV] 마마무 (MAMAMOO) - Where Are We Now th-cam.com/video/zzk09ESX7e0/w-d-xo.html
[MV] 솔라 (Solar) - 꿀 (HONEY) th-cam.com/video/UHiSc_M0xQU/w-d-xo.html
[MV] MOONBYUL (문별) - Eclipse (달이 태양을 가릴 때) th-cam.com/video/oCTqcTe1lIA/w-d-xo.html
[MV] 휘인 (Whee In) - water color th-cam.com/video/ShFKF2YN7H0/w-d-xo.html
[MV] 화사 (Hwa Sa) - 마리아 (Maria) th-cam.com/video/brZRDjFIFJs/w-d-xo.html
This is a MUST SEE by Moonbyul [Special] 서툰 이별을 하려해 (Cover by 문별) th-cam.com/video/ZjhctbeifW0/w-d-xo.html
[4K] MAMAMOO MoonByul - Refuge th-cam.com/video/xdg6jpzy_6I/w-d-xo.html
Solar does A LOT of covers on her TH-cam channel "SOLARSIDO" th-cam.com/video/MtouVdPDjCE/w-d-xo.html
Here are ones not on her channel:
SOLAR [MAMAMOO] - "Unholy" Acoustic Ver. Live [Sam Smith & Kim Petras Cover] th-cam.com/video/xukIiJX6rZI/w-d-xo.html
[KCON 2019 LA] Solar (솔라/MAMAMOO 마마무) | Speechless th-cam.com/video/1Miv3gW07c8/w-d-xo.html
Please react to [MV] 화사 (Hwa Sa) - LMM ... On official MAMAMOO with Subtitles. It’s a response to the slings and arrows, those negative comments against her, and the realization that through it all the only one that can truly hurt her is herself... if she allows it. Not only only one of the most beautiful songs in the Korean industry but one of the most beautiful ever written. A true work of art.
100%
All of the members of Mamamoo talk about getting sent home from auditions. They were all constantly rejected for different reasons. Solar gives the most OUTRAGEOUS auditions in history,.. and she gets sent home for being too old to invest in. They made their own way together. Hwasa is maybe the most gorgeous person on the planet right now. The only thing that even comes close to how beautiful she is,.. is maybe Raquel Welch mid-60s? But yes asian cultures have very strict beauty standards. Hwasa flaunts her body specifically BECAUSE they called her fat and ugly. So here it IS,.. I'm beautiful!! Should we mention that she can sing and dance like a BOSS??
I swear, part of the 'Korean Beauty Standard' is based on the 'Chinese Thinspo' model. Koreans want their Female Idols to be paper-thin but then those same fans get mad when their Idols can't perform because they are STARVING THEMSELVES TO DEATH (in order to stay within the impossible confines of that bullshit 'standard'), get sick easily or pass out on stage from being over-worked and under-fed.
That 'standard' in the Entertainment Industry is ANYTHING BUT 'standard', since it clearly leaves out 90% of Koreans. People have literally K***ED themselves because they can't fit into that impossible box forever.
Age is also part of that stupid impossible 'standard'; the Industry tries to throw people away once they get near 30 years old, as if that is OLD.
Just imagine that for a minute; these Idols don't get to have real childhoods, they spend their ENTIRE youth training to do this job so they will be able to at least live 'comfortably' for the rest of their lives (if not actually being truly wealthy like an incredibly lucky few of them, then at least comfortable) but guess what? 30 years is seen as OLD! WHAT!?
In Hwasa's case specifically, she is what we in the U.S. would call 'an Exotic Beauty'. If she ever had to leave Korea because of all that hatred, GUARANTEED the U.S. Entertainment Industry would take her in a heartbeat! Even if her English has not improved, that would not matter; somebody would go out-of-their-way to find and provide a good translator for as long as Hwasa needed or wanted one. She's already Royalty over here, she just doesn't know it yet. I am fairly sure that if it really got THAT BAD over there, at least one of the other members of Mamamoo would come over here with her if she was to move.
See this is the problem - there's nothing wrong with Korean beauty standards, just as there is nothing wrong with western beauty standards, or African, or Arabic.
They are what they are. For a reason. They don't have anymore strict beauty standards than the west. The west is obsessed with African-American culture - dark tones and big butts. Big butts have never been a thing outside of AA culture until now. You're just viewing it from a westernized perspective.
@@jamescurfman3284 No, it's really not. It's based on socio-historical class culture. For example - a woman is supposed to look delicate. Not sexual, because they're not of the courtesan class, not dark skinned, because they don't work in the fields and not fat, because they put their family first when it comes to eating. Very much rooted in old society and pre-80's was the norm everywhere else.
Hwasa is very Americanized in her look. She idolizes Rhianna. She makes her skin dark, does her make up very Latina/AA, focuses on her shape. Ergo, Westerners or people attracted to that look are over the top attracted to her. So much so that they completely overlook say, Wheein, who has a very asian look.
It's not Korea who is wrong (though they shouldn't attack Hwasa), but Westerners are full out obsessed with anyone who looks AA/Latina esque and therefore gloam to Hwasa over others. She's not overly beautiful, she's just to your westernized tastes.
@@hanashi5727 Bullshit. Go look up the word 'standard' and then get back to me. There is EVERYTHING WRONG with a system that either kills people or makes them so desperate that they end themselves.
The Entertainment Industry (all over the world, not just Korea) is not looking for 'standard', they are looking for 'exceptional'. 'Standard' would imply that HALF of the population would fit in that box. Guess what? WRONG!
'They are what they are' because there are some happy fat OLD WEALTHY guys sitting around and this is what they like to see. It's a FETISH by those wrinkly old farts and has very little to do with real life of any average people of any population.
The Korean version is FAR more strict than what we have going on over here.
Ask all of the members of Twice which member they envy as far as looks go; most of them will say Dahyun, and their reasoning is that she has THE MOST PALE complexion of all of them.
Where did they get the notion that pale skin is somehow 'better' than what the rest of them have? It's CONDITIONING, just like everybody else. It has been going on for DECADES.
Too bad MONEY TALKS. That's 'the reason' that 'they are what they are'.
Wealthy people control the media. Those few people at the top of the money heap TELL the camera crews and directors what commercials to make and they TELL the television stations what commercials to air. In this way, they TELL the population what is 'acceptable' and what is 'ugly' or what is 'beautiful'.
Over many years time, the entire long-sighted campaign brain-washes people to see what those old asses want them to see.
That's ALSO how it works over here. It's just that our beauty 'standard' is far more lenient, open and relaxed because the U.S. is indeed 'the Melding Pot of the World'. Our average bloodlines are literally from everywhere at once. We don't have just a single template to judge beauty by, we have ALL of the different templates from all over the world and new ones have to be made when people of mixed heritage come along.
I personally have NEVER liked the Big Butt look (or big breasts, for that matter). Darker skin tone than mine, sure, but that is because I am so Sickly-Pasty-White that I nearly glow-in-the-dark if I don't get enough sunlight.
It's not even ALL Americans who like what you think we all like. But it's REALLY EASY to see EXACTLY what Koreans like. There are a few videos about it and they get VERY SPECIFIC about what is acceptable as the 'KBS'. Look up videos about 'The Golden Ratio' in Korea.
@@hanashi5727 'a woman is supposed to look delicate'...ACCORDING TO WHOM?
'Courtesan class'? REALLY? The Class Wars are still on? I thought all of that was to have been ABOLISHED.
Dark skin from working in the fields...RIIIGHT. Ask Hwasa if she has ever personally been a farmer. Ask her when the last member of her family was a farmer. She doesn't MAKE herself darker, she IS darker naturally and simply has not LIGHTENED her skin chemically like some other Idols have been known to do.
Good god, have you lost touch with reality? Or have you simply swallowed the Blue Pill? Or are you just not paying any attention and are now just talking out your ass?