Bosch Track Saw on Festool Rails. MFT Table Solutions.
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- What's Happening Everyone. In this video I put my Bosch track saw on Festool rails in order to solve some problems I've been having with the Bosch rails on the MFT table.
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As usual spot on. Really great to see your talents grow. Keep them coming
Great video John thanks ! i bought the angle gauge that was designed for the bosch tracks was using it the other day works perfect great product might be worth a look
Great video, thank you! I first bought a Dewalt Track Saw and had issues with the track on the MFT. Then thought I will get the 800 festool track for the MFT and use my longer dewalt track for ripping sheet goods. However as you mentioned then you have to constantly readjust the cams in the saw. In the end I just sold the dewalt and invested it all in the Festool and never looked back from there. Moral of the story, just buy the Festool, it's the most complete system out there and there are just tons of accessories for it that make it so flexible!
Thanks for this. Hope to set up workshop for retirement soon. Festool looking like the Apple of woodworking. Not necessarily the best in every piece of machinery or accessory but far and away the most integrated system generating a big third party accessories market.
If I was starting out as a professional, I'd invest in Mafell. Local (excellent) tools merchant (who sell Makita, DeWalt, Bosch, Mafell, Festool, Hikoki) recommends Bosch as best bang for buck tracksaw for my intended use. Would love to try the alternatives as systems with dust extraction on a real world project.
Awesome work, John! 😃
I'm happy it worked out!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks. Having bought the Bosch saw I'm planning something like this, so this was great info
I'm glad it was useful Jacob
Great video! Never thought about this problem, when thinking about making an mft workbench for my Bosch saw. Thanks for the info!
Glad to help
Good review. I'm going to get one of these with the Bosch track. I'll make some thin discs that pop over the dogs to allow the body to pass without catching the main dog.
Hi John, allways enjoy your videos. Another option could have been would be to add a spacer like a "washer" that drops over the dogs thereby increasing the reach of the dogs and allowing you to keep the waste board and the set of holes that were lost by milling for the new board. There could be a number of ways to modify or add a "shim" like set up to increase the reach of the dog. I know you've allready finished your set up but I thought someone else ma consider altering the dog instead of altering the workbench. As allways your videos are great .
Thanks John, I've recently subscribed and am really enjoying your videos. I've just bought the Bosch as the price was too good to pass on and have the 1600mm rails and I'm thinking that you'll only run into this problem with the dogs when using the shorter 800mm rail? Using the longer rail with the dogs as far apart as possible, the saw base or motor is unlikely to bump in to them. Cheers.
I would also recommend the Makita rails. A lot cheaper and exactly the same.
I bought a Triton rail for the same reasons that you bought the Festool, but found the same problems with the plastic gliding strips and the need of reajusting the saw when altering between the rails. Then I laid the Bosch rail on the Triton rail with the left side of the Bosch against the leading bar on the Triton. I found that the left side of the Triton is then far enough from the Bosch to solve the problem with the dogs and it will be possible to use the UJK hooks or magnet system on the Triton part. My plan is to cut two pieces of the Triton, ca 10 cm broad and mount them on the underside of the Bosch like two rail squares. I will have to find a smart solution to fix the parts which is easy to use, slim (to allow cutting of thin materials) and which will keep the Triton tight to the Bosch rail. The total width will be 207 mm and the cut will not interfere with the dog holes.
Thanks John! I have been thinking about getting a new track saw. I think I’ll wait until after Festool announces their new saw. At the very least, maybe the cost of the model 55 will go down. I’ve also been thinking about the Festool palm sander lineup. I hear really good things about it and it’s dust extraction. With the track saw and sander, maybe the whole setup with dust extractor would work. Hmmmmm.... I think I just heard my credit card whimpering.... ;)
Might be worth spending the extra and getting the Festool Sandy. I'm thinking about the sander too!
The POWERTEC 71153 Track Saw Guide Rails are about $57 in the US. Peter Millard referred to a similar rail in one of his videos that is available in the UK.
Glad it helped you out
Thanks, I already own the Bosch track saw, and was looking at the MFT3 table, I was wondering if the Bosch track saw would look work with it, thanks for answering that for me.
Glad I could help
TSO Products in the US makes stubby tight fit 20mm dogs that are made for the UJK MFT tables. They are made specifically for those situations where you need to make deeper cuts and the motor housing is in the way.
Before you rush out and buy those tracks, you just use a clamp and tool guide in between your dogs and Bosch track, that way you don't have the faff of keep adjusting the tracking on your saw, plus the clamp and tool guide will have other uses, and be cheaper than buying festool track. Thanks for the channel, really enjoy the content.
Cheers Kevin
Hi Kevin,
I’m experiencing the same Bosch/MFT issues described here; is the tool guide a Bosch thing, what is it?
Thanks.
Makes me think I should have been electrician like JM so I could afford such a beyond pro workshop and set of tools! Seriously, great set of videos and very helpful as I plan a smaller workshop for retirement for extensive making for self and friends and family - perhaps turning a few taxable £s as well
I'm in a good position to get tools being in a trade I need them, but it's important to point out this workshop was 20 years in the making.
It takes years to become an electrician but it only takes a few moments to say that your an electrician and ask a client for a 50% down payment.
Another Great video mate. Great to know.
Hi John,
Love your output, very educational and enjoyable.
Have you seen Benchdogs’ B-dogs Adjustable? “ Designed for the Mafell and Bosch users who have the problem with the track saw hitting anything that is rested against the track that protrudes above the track.Sounds like they might address the problem you have.
Hi If you add in some extra dog holes half way between the original holes that will then line up your original waster strip here are extra holes on the part sticks that will allow you to do this.
The Bosch track saw is one of the best on the market for the price range
Great video as always 😀
Great video as always! What is the part number/name for that Bosch router sled please ?
Thanks for sharing. Beneficial information about the saw and its practical functioning of it. Just wondering, though; is the Bosch track plate sold pieces, or it comes in a specific length? I mean, it would be kinda tricky to transport over a long distance, if it's too long, I would think. But if the track is sold in small pieces that can be attached, that would be helpful. Cheers!
That looks like a convenient solution. Would a simple MDF spacer strip (perhaps with holes in it to fit over dogs) have worked instead?
Good channel well explained, doesn't look like an advert
Glad you think so!
Very interesting, thanks
Will that Bosch router adapter work on the Makita guide rail that has the extra lip that the Festool doesn't have?
Worth noting, the battery Festool saw batteries also hit the Part Dogs
On the Festool rail did it still cut on the same line for 0 and 45 degree cuts, or does it cut outside the splinter guard or cut into it?
Hi John, can I ask do you secure your track to the dogs or do you tend to just butt it up and hold it like in this vid?
I’ve just bought the DeWalt tracksaw… was a great price and some good features although slightly wishing I’d gone for e.g. Makita due to issue with a double sided track on MFT. But, I’m not actually sure how often I’ll really need to use clips etc!
the festool rails are great. i run my dewalt tracksaw on them. i run my festool tracksaw on makita rails though.
i would reconmend buying makita rails , they are cheaper and 1500 mm long compared to festools 1400mm. way better for crosscutting sheets.
vinny is a great guy, iv talked to him several times over the years. shame he is a waterford man though
That was one reason I went for the bosch it has 1600mm rails
Your content has been great for me. I really appreciate your using a lapel mic. I can tell that you spend extra time with camera setup, much appreciated. I’m very hesitant to say anything but the audio level is off. Your intro runs at normal or slightly above but your voice level is very low. I have to use the highest volume on my iPad Pro. I have no idea on how to improve this and that’s why I feel bad mentioning it. I really enjoyed your McGrath leg vice series, very inventive and collaborative. Thanks much, John.
I'll see what I can do
My hearing is not what it was but I can hear JM clearly on my budget Samsung smartphone, even with machine noise, and understand despite quite rapid speech and Irish accent. I can't follow him so easily (or anyone else) on my desktop with its external speakers so, ironically, use headphones with desktop and not with phone. Interesting to see how different pairs of ears interact with different av tech
Would the integrated cross cut rail from Festool work on the Bosch circular saw?
Have you thought about moving the rubber strip to the other side of the guide on the rail on the Makita/Festool track ?
Then you willi get back the 1 degree it is of on the scale…
You would think Bosch would make a wider track or people won't buy the saw for this reason Cheers John
Great vid! Do you know if this trick would also work with a Bosch router (GOM 1600) on a festool track?
the bosch router jig fits the fetool track, so I would say so
Hi John. What are your thoughts on the Bosch track saw since you discovered the issue with the -1 degree? If you had your time again would you have just paid the extra for the Festool? Love the content btw
Yeah with all the issues I would probably spend a bit more and get the Festool if I had my time back. But it's not a bad saw once its set up.
I'm getting alot of good from your vids. You're bumping into the issues that I'm trying to anticipate before building my MFT table system. Here are some thoughts so far...
-- One other solution for this would have been the "revision dogs" for your Parf system. They allow you to add a set of 20mm holes between those you've already drilled.
-- I'm invested in Mafell saws - Kss300 and the Mt55. Love the rails. Now they're useless for MFT work. Grrr. The idea buying all new FT tracks is out of the question, and the idea of re-adjusting between tracks is just unacceptable. Nightmare as you said.
-- Have you tried any of the other rails, or the off brands? Maybe one will fit with no adjustment from the Mafell tracks? Powertec for example, or maybe Makita? I've heard some are tight for the Festool saw... which might work here?
-- One other thought... How about adjusting to fit the Ft track and then trimming/sanding the plastic adjuster blocks to fit your Bosch tracks? If you mess them up, they can't be too expensive as replacement parts.
Hi what cordless screwdriver are you using? It looks tidy an light?
Great videos
its just a black and decker 12v impact driver, not sure they are available anymore
Great video, thank you. Just one thing - you've mentioned the Bosch rails work with Triton, right? I am thinking of buying Triton 165 saw and use it on my Bosch FSN. Would that work? Thanks a lot
The triton router works with the bosch sled, I don't know if the triton saw will fit on the bosch rails
I'm looking at upgrading from my TITAN. Choice of Bosch, DeWalt or Makita. Did you consider either of the other two?
Thank you.
The DeWalt is a none starter in that 3 horse race, either of the other two would be just fine. If you looking at using an mft style system then go for the Makita, as the tracks are the same as the festool track, that said, the bosch/mafell track is far superior.
I spent weeks deciding on what one to get. After reading review after review and watching countless TH-cam videos I opted for the makita. The Dewalt was the first one out the door. It got terrible reviews. John put me off the Bosch and the Festool was just to expensive.
I have the Dewalt battery powered track saw and get on with it ok for ripping down sheets. The guide runner is centralised on the track so the saw can be used with either edge. However the edges have a rubber strip to prevent fraying of the wood surface during cutting. If you plan to use the track saw on an MFT as John is in this video, then I would be concerned that the rubber edges of the Dewalt track would lead to uneven cuts or errors when butting the track against the bench dogs.
Seems like a workable solution. Is there any particular reason why you couldn't use a spacer plate between the dogs and the track? Does it lead to inaccurate cuts or does it just make the setup more awkward?
Its both, the more complexity the more chance of error and set up time is greatly increased and speed if one of the best aspects of a MFT table.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed Cheers for the explanation
Why not put another set of holes to the left of the holes you are using. Maybe 32mm or 48mm to the left. Seems like that would be easer than widening the stripe. Also where did you get the router sled that you used with the Triton router? I know it is made by Bosch but I don't see it listed on Amazon anywhere. Thanks
I really don't need anymore holes and it took minutes to route out a wider strip
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed Thanks John. Is there a model number for the router sled made by bosch?
I can just see some fan boys falling off their chairs with shock of using the "HOLY" Festool track with anything apart from a Festool tools
for me it is what ever works for the job and if I can annoy fanboys at the same time that is a bonus
According to Festool Sedge, the "holy" rail is the rail for the LR 32 system.
Hi John. I notice that when using the Bosch saw on the Festool track, the saw only runs on 1 green slide. Would this not also tilt your setting out of 90 degrees?
Nicely spotted I'll check that and let you know, it might mean adjustments to the 0 stop
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed Watch this might be of some interest for using bosch on festool track th-cam.com/video/xPIncODinFM/w-d-xo.html (from 6 mins). Guys channel is called Andreas Kalt
Hi John, you get the same problem with the Festool saw and the tall dogs.
the solution is to use a rail longer than your cut . you set the dogs at the far reaches and cut in between them.
Better off adding a couple of dog holes further away from the sacrificial strip so you don’t lose a whole row of holes
With the Parf system you can drill additional holes at 32mm, 48mm, and 64mm. However, John has already widened his sacrificial strip. It is a large MFT so losing a row of dog holes is not going to have much effect.
I know but thought john might not have since he used his own solution 😉
Can anyone tell me the advantage of putting in a sacrificial strip? I really don't understand what it adds
Helping prevent tear out of the piece being cut?
@@jonathanbell8940 thanks, but I don't understand why you need a sacrificial strip for that? If you're using the MFT system 99% of your cuts are going to be in the exact same line. The original surface lasts for years (in my experience) that way, so why cut a big channel out of it?
At the very least why not wait until you've chewed it up before cutting this out?
@@mattinfante6982 Yeah I guess it's just a preference thing maybe? Or maybe a bit of over engineering. Agree that either the strip or the original worktop is going to get chewed up but I guess if you have a replaceable strip the idea is you dont have to replace the whole top when that one section is chewed up. I don't think it's a bad idea necessarily. But I suppose if you cut in the same place every time you would only really have a 2.2mm channel which wouldn't be an issue would it? Never really though about it too much haha.
1, the piece is supported along the cut so it reduces tear out and splintering, 2 it's easier to replace a strip then a whole top, 3 not all your cuts will be in the same line sometimes you don't use the dog system especially when breaking down a full sheet or quick cutting, but it's still nice to be able to support the cut and not have to think about it.
just rip a bit of mdf and put it between track and dogs?
Festool and cost effective solution in one sentence? Is this the twilight zone?
Have you checked out an alternative idea to use a rail square plus a easy to build jig instead of the MFT: th-cam.com/video/eE20LjvnaAY/w-d-xo.html
The two slots in the bottom of the Bosch track gives options which the Festool tracks do not have and can be a real game changer for some setups! Fixing small stops or the workpiece to the second slot...
Does your router sled bump into the dogs?
Am I missing something John? Don’t the smaller dogs work with the Bosch track?
no the saw over hangs the rail so it will hit any dog you put against the rails
Rather than a sacrificial strip, wouldn't a gap work? That way you're not using up wood. There must be a reason not to but I'm not seeing it.
Having the cut supported give a cleaner cut with less splintering
Why not just add another row of dog holes to the left to bring it back inline with your sacrificial strip a lot less work .
Its actually more work setting up and accurate set of holes, it took minutes to route a wider strip
I have no doubt you could run a handsaw on a festool rail if you really wanted to. Question is why would you 😂
You know you could be using a rail square with bench dogs - instagram.com/p/CSeUBbjsNvj/
Is it just me or are the videos super bright and not as crisp to see? Everything has a blurr off it
I need better camera equipment, hopefully I can upgrade this year.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed no no not at all. Videos are perfect!! Just wondered if you edited the videos and made them brighter or somthing? Slight darken down maybe? It’s maybe just the bright lights in the shop