I agree with 1-3, however for me the number 4 would have to be the Polish Virtus Pro for being a team that was legitimately competitive with all three of these legendary top teams. This lineup represented prestige and longevity.
I disagree, VP is a legendary team but not within the context Kassad set up. He's talking about meta-changers and groundshakers. Astralis iterating on utility. Fnatic dumpstering everyone with teamplay, skill, and midrounding. The kind of shit that got teams to model their structure based on what the innovators had done. There's a beautiful push and pull when it comes to loose play vs structured play in CS. There are clear cycles of looser vs stricter play based on what types of teams were on top, these teams influenced those cycles. Kassad isn't talking about the greats of all times, he's talking gamechangers. VP deserves a Rushmore spot in a different video, they were not meta changers and didn't define eras of play. They were fucking legendary at making those 5 works over and over with role swaps and trick plays and resurgances in form. They were gatekeepers for future legends to beat and absolute phenoms on LAN. Nobody modelled their teams off VP, they were an entirely unique beast but not meta-changers. The closest they got to that is being one of the first successful teams to throw the AWP around like a hot potato but teams weren't modelling themselves off that. VP played the game to an insane level. They didn't change the game.
@@grimvisions5592 As a swedish fan i need to say. VP was scary and was always a good match. And one off the team i was tune in to watch. VP and Dig/TSM was my team outside off sweden.
Until Kassad brought it up I forgot how strong the field of competition was against prime Astralis. Even excluding legacy orgs like G2 and Navi (who were arguably harder to beat then) we don't even have heavy hitter teams like NRG anymore! Definitely a depleted group of teams.
Two videos of my favourite series this close together, love it thorin! Damn content factory you are still, madlad! I would love a revisit of BW at some point!
I think Karrigan’s FaZe (2016-18) should be here instead of liquid. They changed the game by showing international rosters can work, and that really set the scene for how CS is today.
I disagree with kassad's decision to not include nip. For the same reason Washington is on the actual Mount Rushmore, I feel like nip have to be on here for the same reason, especially with the category that was chosen.
Liquid also pioneered a form of role-less CS for a short period, esp., in 2019, nearly anyone could entry, rotate, lurk, anchor, AWP, execute util, etc etc when needed. Yes they had default roles, but they could adapt and their ability to 2vsX clutch was amazing. Also, to take nothing away from GOAT Astralis, people forget that their longevity was helped by updates: Cobblestone was removed, a good map for their opposition Cache was their permaban, Liquid's best map (other than Inferno) so team's relied on O'pass, Dust2 and Mirage as 50-50 maps Mirage/Dust2 was a 'weakness' but then Cache got removed, so they could ban Mirage or Dust2 Vertigo a fearful 'weak' map but then there was a massive update mid Berlin Major campaign and Astralis used it Train getting removed kind of stuffed them though.
Jesus christ its like beating a dead horse with the same storyline, start fresh and start discussing how Ence really suck and are overrated havibg never reached double digits on deciding maps in Grand Finals or won GF, and G2 fluke wins then dissapear, how Niko had the worst stats at ESL Proleague s18 and had almost no impact, how Mouz and VP destroyed G2 on their best map Inferno and theres no excuses, and how VP are the best meta shifting forcebuy decision makers that Kassad cant possibly comprehend the genius of Jame
#2 Ence according to HLTV, lost 16-9 to G2 on the decider map of Cologne 2023 and lost 16-9 on decider map Nuke against Vitality at Gamers8, and lost 16-9 on ESL proleague s18 decider map Nuke to MOUZ, Lost Blast Showdown on decider Anubis 16-10 to BIG
Ence eliminated at ESL Katowice 2023 by Virtus Pro Ence eliminated at IEM Katowice 2023 by Complexity Ence eliminated at Paris Major 2023 by NIP 2-0 Ence eliminated ESL proleague s18 2023 by Mouz Ence lost all grand finals never getting double digits against real teams,overrated Ence now eliminated at Blast Showdown by BIG
@@sn1pe34 Somewhat fair on the Ence point, but taking results from pro league as meaning anything is kind of pointless. All these teams are praccing CS2 at this point, so obviously results are going to be all over the place.
@@hebisu6686 it's not like they forgot how to play the game Snappi has been calling for 11 years now and I've watched the old ence and new ence use excuses for every event, from ESL challenger events lost to Rio Major 2022 vs Mouz, it's always rushes and identical regurgitation of why their performance was poor, theyre ranked 2 in HLTV and have the least amount of trade frags and flash assist of any pro team, weakest trophy cabinet in History of HLTV ranked 2, they didnt forget how to play csgo because of priorities of cs2.
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I see kassad x thorin, I click.
I'm glad that you made it so Kassad couldn't put Niko 4 times
Though the same thing. Good thing he didn’t choose IGL’s for his Mount Rushmore. Niko would have been there 🤣
Best rifler, best IGL, best opener, best friend
I agree with 1-3, however for me the number 4 would have to be the Polish Virtus Pro for being a team that was legitimately competitive with all three of these legendary top teams. This lineup represented prestige and longevity.
100%
I disagree, VP is a legendary team but not within the context Kassad set up.
He's talking about meta-changers and groundshakers. Astralis iterating on utility. Fnatic dumpstering everyone with teamplay, skill, and midrounding. The kind of shit that got teams to model their structure based on what the innovators had done. There's a beautiful push and pull when it comes to loose play vs structured play in CS. There are clear cycles of looser vs stricter play based on what types of teams were on top, these teams influenced those cycles.
Kassad isn't talking about the greats of all times, he's talking gamechangers.
VP deserves a Rushmore spot in a different video, they were not meta changers and didn't define eras of play. They were fucking legendary at making those 5 works over and over with role swaps and trick plays and resurgances in form. They were gatekeepers for future legends to beat and absolute phenoms on LAN.
Nobody modelled their teams off VP, they were an entirely unique beast but not meta-changers. The closest they got to that is being one of the first successful teams to throw the AWP around like a hot potato but teams weren't modelling themselves off that.
VP played the game to an insane level. They didn't change the game.
i agree. that polish vp team is the reason i got into csgo. i came for kenny s but i stayed for the Snax!
@@grimvisions5592 As a swedish fan i need to say. VP was scary and was always a good match. And one off the team i was tune in to watch. VP and Dig/TSM was my team outside off sweden.
First 20 min is a crazy ASMR experience
Until Kassad brought it up I forgot how strong the field of competition was against prime Astralis. Even excluding legacy orgs like G2 and Navi (who were arguably harder to beat then) we don't even have heavy hitter teams like NRG anymore! Definitely a depleted group of teams.
Two videos of my favourite series this close together, love it thorin!
Damn content factory you are still, madlad!
I would love a revisit of BW at some point!
I think Karrigan’s FaZe (2016-18) should be here instead of liquid. They changed the game by showing international rosters can work, and that really set the scene for how CS is today.
looking forward to this one... Matter of fact, any episode involving Kassad is one for the history books.
P.S. is hot take PM ep coming soon?
Bro its been too long, and i expected one after epl
Solo episode with Kassad let's go!
I'm a simple man I see kassad I watch
NiKo, niko Niko, Nikoala
Breadhead
I disagree with kassad's decision to not include nip. For the same reason Washington is on the actual Mount Rushmore, I feel like nip have to be on here for the same reason, especially with the category that was chosen.
based on ur name, i will take this washington comparison as a simple joke.
Banger video as usual
ITS BEEN OVER A MONTH SINCE HOT TAKE POINT MADE VID😢😢😢😢😢
Liquid also pioneered a form of role-less CS for a short period, esp., in 2019, nearly anyone could entry, rotate, lurk, anchor, AWP, execute util, etc etc when needed. Yes they had default roles, but they could adapt and their ability to 2vsX clutch was amazing.
Also, to take nothing away from GOAT Astralis, people forget that their longevity was helped by updates:
Cobblestone was removed, a good map for their opposition
Cache was their permaban, Liquid's best map (other than Inferno) so team's relied on O'pass, Dust2 and Mirage as 50-50 maps
Mirage/Dust2 was a 'weakness' but then Cache got removed, so they could ban Mirage or Dust2
Vertigo a fearful 'weak' map but then there was a massive update mid Berlin Major campaign and Astralis used it
Train getting removed kind of stuffed them though.
Navi 2021 should be there
Thorin with the Columbian Cold :P
No chapters?
Fer > coldzera
LG/SK could be the greatest team ever if they werent so selfish thinking only about money and manage their careers better
Add chapter please, don't be lazy
00:00 - 1:08:59 Thorin blows his nose down the mic whilst kassad tries to speak
Jesus christ its like beating a dead horse with the same storyline, start fresh and start discussing how Ence really suck and are overrated havibg never reached double digits on deciding maps in Grand Finals or won GF, and G2 fluke wins then dissapear, how Niko had the worst stats at ESL Proleague s18 and had almost no impact, how Mouz and VP destroyed G2 on their best map Inferno and theres no excuses, and how VP are the best meta shifting forcebuy decision makers that Kassad cant possibly comprehend the genius of Jame
#2 Ence according to HLTV, lost 16-9 to G2 on the decider map of Cologne 2023 and lost 16-9 on decider map Nuke against Vitality at Gamers8, and lost 16-9 on ESL proleague s18 decider map Nuke to MOUZ,
Lost Blast Showdown on decider Anubis 16-10 to BIG
Ence eliminated at ESL Katowice 2023 by Virtus Pro
Ence eliminated at IEM Katowice 2023 by Complexity
Ence eliminated at Paris Major 2023 by NIP 2-0
Ence eliminated ESL proleague s18 2023 by Mouz
Ence lost all grand finals never getting double digits against real teams,overrated Ence now eliminated at Blast Showdown by BIG
this has nothing to do with what this video is about what kinda crack are u smoking bro
@@sn1pe34 Somewhat fair on the Ence point, but taking results from pro league as meaning anything is kind of pointless. All these teams are praccing CS2 at this point, so obviously results are going to be all over the place.
@@hebisu6686 it's not like they forgot how to play the game Snappi has been calling for 11 years now and I've watched the old ence and new ence use excuses for every event, from ESL challenger events lost to Rio Major 2022 vs Mouz, it's always rushes and identical regurgitation of why their performance was poor, theyre ranked 2 in HLTV and have the least amount of trade frags and flash assist of any pro team, weakest trophy cabinet in History of HLTV ranked 2, they didnt forget how to play csgo because of priorities of cs2.