When you are low level just go for the lightest frame and wheels , then climb mountains and Koms over and over and the drops will come back as your level increases
Unless you are TT'ing, the differences in time over 30k don't really matter if you're sat in the pack. Is the frame going to make any discernible difference for the last 300m sprint? My guess is the difference would below the noise margin.
What about us new commers ....im about to hit lvl 10 .....what should we get, before theese lvl 25 bikes ?.....? Maybe a top 10 like on your wheels video ?
@@chrispritch yeah the straw runs through the down tube and up the seat tube afaik. Took me a while to figure out what it was after they released that bike
At 13:39, when the Tron bike and the S-works Venge cross the line, the display says 30.7 km in 48:50 for the Specialized and 30.5 km in 47:34 for the Tron. That means the Tron bike is covering .641 kilometer per minute and the Venge is covering .628 km per minute (or 1:35 per km for the Venge and 1:33 per km for the Tron.) How do you conclude that the Venge is faster?
I think what has happened is that the two bikes 'spawned' at different points in advance of the start line so you can't compared the top of screen time and distance as those originate prior to crossing the START line. The bottom clock is showing the side by side time from crossing the start line.
Pritch, not entirely related to your video, but which frame/wheel combo do you think is the best suited for tomorrow's kiss community league race? Considering the 600 meters of climbing ... Thanks
Thanks pritch! Is their a venge/wheelset that’s as fast as the Tron bike but is obtainable for someone not in level 50? Asking for a friend. Also, does a helmet, or lack of, make a difference or is it just aesthetics? Same for gloves and shoes?
why didn't you compare the best set up that any zwifter can achieve? We can all achieve tron and any tt bike w/zipp wheels (only 858 or 454) we cannot all get the disc wheel. So what is faster? the cervelo w/858 or the tron? the s-work venge w/858( or 454) or tron? I'm asking merely because we cant level to get the disc wheel nor can we buy that with drops. So unfair. Then that being worked out what is better faster between tt's fastest frame vs. road bike fastest frame? Does this conclusion hold true for both group rides and solo efforts? Im not trolling you Chris, I just want a more comprehensive analysis of these frame setups. I think there ARE OTHER VIDEOS out there (ie gp lama) comparing tt to tron, ok fine but this video should be the final word.
My bad Pat.... Lemme re visit it and get an ultimate achievable set up. I'm also working on best set up depending on the level you are at. I'm sorry mate. I can and will do better!
I cant Im not given that option. The best wheel I can purchase w/ drops is the 454 @@xcirrusI own the 808 wheels as do most folks but the disc rear wheel is not available in my shop. :( Man yor reply freaked me out till I checked.
@@scottheitmanmarinesurvey3557 oh no ;( sorry! Maybe it has gone, I bought the disc wheel in the shop on the day the update came out... maybe they took it out now? Keep your eyes peeled!
Steve R the position of the read brake underneath the bike on the Foil is something many manufacturers tried at in the past to be more aero but came into so many problems with inaccessibility mid-ride, most of all brake rub, and getting full of mud etc that they changed back again... It’s alright for the pros who ride in mostly dry areas and have mechanics/spare bikes but not ideal for everyday riders
chris - you should do an update comparing the new canyon aeroad to the top road bikes
When you are low level just go for the lightest frame and wheels , then climb mountains and Koms over and over and the drops will come back as your level increases
👆 he knows it
I'm riding the flats to get to level 12 as soon as possible then it's Alp de Zwift over and over again ;)
THIS is the test. Top notch
Cheers MMC!! 👍👍🍻
Did you just belch a toad at 6:55😂😂
Unless you are TT'ing, the differences in time over 30k don't really matter if you're sat in the pack. Is the frame going to make any discernible difference for the last 300m sprint? My guess is the difference would below the noise margin.
What about us new commers ....im about to hit lvl 10 .....what should we get, before theese lvl 25 bikes ?.....? Maybe a top 10 like on your wheels video ?
The spoiler on the shiv disc is a water tank.
Really!!? Pretty good idea that...
@@chrispritch yeah the straw runs through the down tube and up the seat tube afaik. Took me a while to figure out what it was after they released that bike
@@ivanlesko7499 genius!
What would be the fastest combo for climbing?? I understand that the Tron bike is good at that too. Correct?
BTW I ended up buying the s works shiv DISC tt bike and Zipp 454 wheels.And I gotta say. In olive drab coating this bike looks bad ass
Zwift put out articles in nov 2019 that have different results.
So which bike for bologna TT? Half flat, half steep climb.
But looking at comparison ride between Tron and Venge you can clearly see difference in climb with advantage to Venge.
Just curious where the Canyon Aeroad came in Chris?
I'll get the full list up on line soon!!
So how does Zwift work this out? Is it based on real world testing or how much the companies will pay to have the fastest bike?
I have no idea Dave...
@@chrispritch Fair enough buddy 😁
At 13:39, when the Tron bike and the S-works Venge cross the line, the display says 30.7 km in 48:50 for the Specialized and 30.5 km in 47:34 for the Tron. That means the Tron bike is covering .641 kilometer per minute and the Venge is covering .628 km per minute (or 1:35 per km for the Venge and 1:33 per km for the Tron.) How do you conclude that the Venge is faster?
I think what has happened is that the two bikes 'spawned' at different points in advance of the start line so you can't compared the top of screen time and distance as those originate prior to crossing the START line. The bottom clock is showing the side by side time from crossing the start line.
283w is a bit specific! If both run at 300w is the Tron faster? 🤔
How about real world zwift numbers, so that would be 600W
how do you do these tests? I want to do my own
Hey Pritch, never mind which is the fastest bike for my ZZRC social ride, what lottery numbers should I pick for Saturday? 😂😂😂
25,29,33,38,48,49 and the bonus ball will be 6
@@chrispritch you can't fool me that easily, with your track sprint trickery!
What about on a course that has significant climbing? Tron or Venge with maybe the 404s?
Coming soon Vincent!!
Can I use all TT bikes in a TT race? Only seen the Zwift TT bike so far.
Where does the scott foil place?
9:25 Madone cost 887500 drop
Pritch, not entirely related to your video, but which frame/wheel combo do you think is the best suited for tomorrow's kiss community league race? Considering the 600 meters of climbing ... Thanks
Awwww man we've not done the climbing tests yet... Concept I'd say! 👍
Height of socks Chris?sure there is a difference too😜
The Cevelo P5 looks like a butchers bike tbh
All the TT bikes do
We need a new star category of “how much this brand had paid zwift for advertising”.
What about the speed concept?
Sad that Zwift devalued the Tron bike, it should be the pinnacle and only way to get it, is by climbing.
And in my eyes it should be a head and shoulders above the rest! Knowing what I know now about it meh! I wouldn't waste the time climbing!!
Hi Chris, what is the better on Zwift ? The Aero bike Zwift or the ribble ? Thanks
Thanks pritch! Is their a venge/wheelset that’s as fast as the Tron bike but is obtainable for someone not in level 50? Asking for a friend.
Also, does a helmet, or lack of, make a difference or is it just aesthetics? Same for gloves and shoes?
I mean if they had means of obtaining droplets on the black market I guess so....
6:49
😂 😂 😂 How has no one picked up on this before... Oh wow
why didn't you compare the best set up that any zwifter can achieve? We can all achieve tron and any tt bike w/zipp wheels (only 858 or 454) we cannot all get the disc wheel. So what is faster? the cervelo w/858 or the tron? the s-work venge w/858( or 454) or tron? I'm asking merely because we cant level to get the disc wheel nor can we buy that with drops. So unfair. Then that being worked out what is better faster between tt's fastest frame vs. road bike fastest frame? Does this conclusion hold true for both group rides and solo efforts? Im not trolling you Chris, I just want a more comprehensive analysis of these frame setups. I think there ARE OTHER VIDEOS out there (ie gp lama) comparing tt to tron, ok fine but this video should be the final word.
My bad Pat.... Lemme re visit it and get an ultimate achievable set up. I'm also working on best set up depending on the level you are at. I'm sorry mate. I can and will do better!
You can buy the disc in the drop shop (808/Super 9) combo
I cant Im not given that option. The best wheel I can purchase w/ drops is the 454 @@xcirrusI own the 808 wheels as do most folks but the disc rear wheel is not available in my shop. :( Man yor reply freaked me out till I checked.
@@scottheitmanmarinesurvey3557 oh no ;( sorry! Maybe it has gone, I bought the disc wheel in the shop on the day the update came out... maybe they took it out now? Keep your eyes peeled!
Meanwhile, in the real world the Scott foil trumped them all....
the.....real world? the what?
Almost got one but the rear chainstay brake stopped me... having second thoughts now😬
@@mattparsons6487 what's that about?
Steve R the position of the read brake underneath the bike on the Foil is something many manufacturers tried at in the past to be more aero but came into so many problems with inaccessibility mid-ride, most of all brake rub, and getting full of mud etc that they changed back again... It’s alright for the pros who ride in mostly dry areas and have mechanics/spare bikes but not ideal for everyday riders
@@mattparsons6487 ah, OK. I've got the foil disc, so this problem doesn't exist for me.
Crazy & Stupid. The TT bike achieved on level 18 beats ones achieved on levels 24, 31, and 35 as well as one costing 710,000 drop points.
The tron bike was faster on the KOM's ;)
Ain't the fastest over the length of the test though!