It isn’t the police at fault. It is the left wing politicians who fear us. They do not want us to be able to stand up against them and their tyranny. Thomas Jefferson said that it is not just the right of the people to keep and bare arms, but our duty. Our founding fathers warned us of the day that we would have to fight to keep our freedom. Tyrannical politicians will alway be trying to have total control over us. So fight on.
The Police are routinely using the term "surrender" and then insisting upon threat of arrest that they invade your home and search for weapons and ammunition. This is to avoid the process of obtaining a Firearms Act Warrant at Magistrates Court and they are therefore routinely acting unlawfully and depending uponm the costs to prevent any court action against them. If they do not feel safe enough to request a legitimate surrender and allow you to fetch them and hand them over, then a warrant is the appropriate route where a magistrate can test their reasoning in advance. The Police have completely forgotten who they serve.
"The Police have completely forgotten who they serve?" The police are Crown servants, that is who they serve - the Crown, otherwise known as the Government.
@@fredgillespie5855 They act like a law unto themselves,serving their own interests, when it suits them locally. Firearms ownership is local issue and govt. is not involved they see it under category of crime when Police make it appear so with their devious tactics like turning up armed to teeth as above. Now pis off and be Judged by someone else.
I threatened legal action against D&C police firearms for a similar thing in 2018/19 and got £1,100 compensation as an out of court settlement, I did it myself without solicitors etc. Just a lot of emails and a promise this wasn't going away.... Michelle Moore was a waste of space then, I'm surprised she still has a job!!
@@stephenclarke3990 i did think that before posting.... but some one needs to say/do something. We pay for this service (not nearly enough in my opinion. )
So how do you stop them taking your guns ? They come to your door Armed and aggressive. How are you going to react, if you refuse to cooperate they will use your refusal to consolidate their position. I think you are in a very scary place and they know it, they are trained to intimidate the public. BASC, is an organisation that purport to be supportive of it's members, I suppose they are, if you've got land and financial clout.
@@nigelbase1196 I totally agree with you but with plod these days they think they are above the law, they are out to intimidate, to scare you to say and do the wrong thing etc.
Civil rights and private property rights don’t exist in a police state like UK. Outrageous behavior by overreaching police that has zero to do with crime.
Don't know if you're all past the point of no return, but are there any brilliant barristers, plus patriots with deep pockets, who will take this fight on principles through the courts?
@@LisaAnn777 I totally agree... I'm from UK and what we (lawful gun owners) have to put up with of late! can't go out and shoot pigeons after the beating season now. Four weeks we used to get. The plod have gone crazy. The UK have a very very small amount of gun crime, however, knifes are apparently everywhere killing everyone every day, I know..., lets ban all knives including kitchen knives! and cars after that.
We need help, our government and monarchy are tyrannical, they only show the rest of the world what they want them to see, if it carries on well be North Korea!!!!
When BASC dropped the legal insurance ,shooters who did not look elsewhere for cover like gunplan now have there arses hanging in the breeze when things like this happen.its about £40 a year .total no brainer.
@@julieannecharters6132 this is true although there is not an insurance company that would take this case in meaning you have wasted your £40. Insurance companies access each case before agreeing to challenge in court you have to have a higher than 51% chance of winning. Being aggressive in public on 2 occasions means your chances are literally 0 hence the advice that he received.
Well said Paul👍 until you have had experience with the law and lawyers you just don’t know how twisted the law can be in all walks of life . If you have the money you can buy the results you want. Or at the very least a better outcome ☹️
This is my experience too. The police around here have never caught the men involved in three separate gang raped of young girls... But they've arrested people for posting memes or shouting out of their cars in road rage incidents. They're beyond a hideous joke.
In the case of the New Zealand Police, you are correct. They never followed their own rules for issuing licenses. The mosque gunman got a license (when he shouldn't - had the Police complied with their own statutory obligations) and now they punish legitimate firearm users.
This is disgusting British gun licence are the hardest in Europe it’s a pity the police don’t spend as much time on knife crimes that are 98% more than gun crime just a lot easier for the police.
BASC seem to be a waste of space in not supporting their members. These gentlemen have a right to make a FOI (freedom of information request) about the seizure of their firearms and therefore find out about the crime/incident number connected with the seizure. They can also check if correct procedure has been followed etc. Nick Corbett has made some pertinent points below.
So BASC are a waste of money because they advised a member how to proceed, ? He does not have the funds for a legal challenge and has been revoked for being aggressive in public twice. The other guy again aggressive in public and no mention of basc maybe he is not a member of basc ? Or do you think BASC should fight for people who are aggressive to hold guns ?
@@Top_Shots_Photography absolutely right. Everyone who has their certificate revoked claims to be an angel but there is always a reason why the police make these decisions.
Red flag laws are doing the same thing here. We have states that have less freedoms than others but it just goes to show that freedoms will eventually die if they are not defended. Gun dealers have had their bank accounts frozen as a form of gun control by banks and financial institutions to force people to out. Our freedoms are constantly under attack by our own government and even the private sectors. Amazing how people are ready to sell out their own freedom for a pretense of security. Austin Tx is now democrat controlled and is starting to look like CA. Facts are democrats always flee what they vote in and ruin it everywhere else as they escape the disasters they create. There's no way to stop them moving in and wrecking TX the same CA, NY, Chicago, Detroit or anywhere else they overrun. They are like a plague of locusts that destroy everything in the area and move on.
@@Phantom8589 see you are correct about that when the government came out and said that felons shouldn't own firearms then everybody said yeah you're right and so we as a country allowed our government to infringe our right to bear arms you understand I seen a video of a lawmaker at UT of Austin and he was booed out why because he had a different belief in what they were being taught they're being taught to accept socialism to accept government control they're also being taught to bully those who believe different
@@Phantom8589 the funny thing is you mention Austin Texas there's more of us here than there are then if we would just get out and vote then we wouldn't have to do with this bulshit now would we
But then just say the way the government passing out free money will be fully Venezuelan in a year I would suggest whatever Affairs you have that roping you need to get them in order and be ready for full-blown communism do you understand
Fieldsports Britain should be bringing this to the attention of the general public. If Devon and Cornwall were targeting people solely on the basis that they were gypsies, or black this behaviour would be stamped out. Shooting is part of our culture "they wiped out one third of my life". They should not be able to do this on a whim with no proper investigation and should have no more than a week to put the issue before an independant adjudicator following confiscation and not be allowed to stonewall the licence holder. Surrendering a licence should only be regarded as the shooter approaching the police and anything else as a confiscation. Any allegation of wrongdoing by a licence holder should immdeiately involve an interview prior to confiscation and guns should automatically be placed with an RFD not the police unless they are forensic evidence.
Unfortunately the "general public" don't care. They've been led to believe that we're all potential mass-murderers by the media and veggie protest groups. You've got a point about racial bias though: All the cases I've heard about are caucasian males... Surely that's racial profiling ;-)
@@perlogalism2167 Согласен с вами. Живу в Западной Сибири. Мой отец, мой брат и все знакомые спросили меня,, зачем тебе это нужно,, когда я купил итальянскую двустволку и пошёл заниматься стендовой стрельбой. Увлёкся позже охотой, но больше люблю побродить с ружьём по нашему осеннем лесу, мне нравится природа и сам процесс. Большинство знакомых и коллег из тех кто знает не понимает зачем я занимаюсь стрельбой. А меня это успокаивает и расслабляет. На стенде я сосредоточен и это отвлекает меня от стрессов в городе и на работе. Это удовольствие. Люди не имеющие оружия не понимают что стрелки это абсолютно законопослушные, думающие и очень ответственные люди. Это же очевидно. Но для большинства, человек с оружием кажется странным... А ведь это всего лишь инструмент для души) как скрипка или гитара.
Thanks for this, John. This is high on our agenda. What's not is attacking the shooting organisations which I think I understand from your comments is what you would like us to do. / Charlie
@@fieldsportstv So Charlie, what's the plan mate? There are some very, very wealthy shooters out there and highly trained/placed legal eagles. Perhaps you and Johnny Carter could build a working group from your respective contacts. I see this as a cultural attack, I've been around guns since I was 10 it is intrinsic to who I am. (This is the wife's account) I joined the NGO because BASC, though well organised, don't seem to be as good as they claim. Dave
Police fabricating evidence is very common I had this experience in Adelaide about 25 years ago where in court a cop put forward signed statements supposedly by me which I had never made and when I challenged it in court the magistrate was disgusted by the cops action.
Post Hungerford, 1987 both mine and my families f,a,c’s were revoked, and not a penny of compensation paid out for our guns. There are times I wish I lived in the u.s.a. God bless America, long live the republic.
As a relative newcomer to the sport, this is quite a worrying story. Why are the official organisations not providing legal assistance in cases such as this, perhaps they are trying to make this a "rich mans" sport only. The official bodies need to get their finger out and offer shooters some legal support.
that's why I left them all. they do nothing except ask for the membership money on the dot every year, another scam. Oh dear is that aggressive talking.
BASC are a waste of space as far as average Joe is concerned, unless you are landed gentry, it's a matter of thanks for your money, now go away until your next renewal, completely out of touch with general public
@@johntozer8270 Wrong. I have direct personal experience that shows otherwise. BASC is worth its weight in gold for all shooters, without them & their support at all levels we would all eventually get stuffed.
@@mrsmith906 there are many more agree with me than disagree most won't even join, just look at the out of touch price of entering to try and win Longthorne shotgun, they need to live in the real world,
@@johntozer8270 I'm in a wildfowling club and BASC are currently working hard at national level to protect our marsh shooting consents, spending many thousands of pounds in the process, our members are Joe Public. Without BASC fighting our corner we would be lost. They also helped me & my nephew when applying for a certificate otherwise the police would have ignored us. BASC also helped my shooting buddy with a renewal issue. Without BASC, shooting sports would be on a slippery slope to being banned. Now if you want the chance to win a Best English Shotgun the tickets won't be a quid each like at our club meetings where I won a box of cartridges last month...
@@mrsmith906 as I said completely out of touch with average joe and reality, make prize and entry cost more affordable, especially in this day and age they are turning away younger people from taking up the sport
The same happened to someone that I know. They had had guns since 17 years old and at the time was 68. Police said he had allowed a person un licenced to take and use his firearms without him present. No evidence of any offence and was proven by witnesses that what they were accusing was false. 4 years later police still won't return the weapons. The whole thing is costing thousands. Luckily there a member of basc and there costs are covered by them. And it's never been taken to court by the police because they know there's no case to answer.
There really should be some sort of legal and enforced check on police for things like this. Like a forced case or something. Where i live the police are pretty decent country folk, but i know there are places where even whole departments can be bad. Police are humans, and humans can get full of themselves especially when they have power.
Truly disgusting behaviour by those we should respect. Reputation is a hard thing to get back once mistakes have been made. These actions show just what they will stoop too, to try and regain respect. I hope these cases are won and compensation is awarded for all those who have been wrongly vilified
Why doesn't the fieldsports channel set up a go fund me account to help these people. Waste of time calling BASC they are useless. Get your mp involved as well.
Thanks for this. We have set up a WhatsApp group for the victims and added friendly lawyers to it + we are promoting one of the shooters' GoFundMe appeals. I'm sorry - it's the limitation of being a TV network. / Charlie
Surely if there is an allegation there must be a crime number? This must then be investigated properly. Once the police can see you've done nothing wrong they should give your guns back. Or you'd like to think.
As an ex police officer; there will definitely be a crime/incident reference number. Furthermore the two gentlemen are entitled to some sort of disclosure of the allegations being made against them. Unless the police who attempt to seize your firearms have a letter revoking your certificate, they have no power to enter or seize your property. Very worrying that the documentation they have been given by the police is proportioning to suggest that the firearms were surrendered when quite clearly they were seized. Sending 4 armed officers to seize firearms it completely disproportionate.
This is a consistent ploy used in NZ. All it takes is an anonymous accusation and the police can use the mental health act to take good peoples guns. No evidence needed. The great reset can’t happen to armed citizens. But I guess that’s just a crazy conspiracy theory proposed by Alex Jones.
Sorry to report, I am an organisation junkie. I'm a member of CA and GWCT since the 1980s, BASC since the 1990s, and more recently SCI and Angling Trust. I am not interested in what they can do, personally, for me - apparently, some of them offer insurance - and I wish they'd all stop sending me their tedious magazines - but I am keen to support them for what they do lobbying government. / Charlie
Apparently you have to put those Apple trackers on your guns and equipment and wear a go pro from the second you take them out of the safe and to the range and back home recording every second otherwise the police will fabricate any evidence or alleged scenario to seize your firearms.
I hope everyone realizes here, that if we let this happen it will be all of us next given time and not just Devon and Cornwall!! And unfortunately I feel this is the first domino and the beginning of the end of shooting and private gun ownership in the UK.
It's well past the first domino in GB. Your ancestors gave away your liberty decades ago. We are slowly and voluntarily giving ours away in the US, too.
I have not seen any enquiry into the pathetic way in which the Devon and Cornwall Police dealt with a person who was a know mental case. We still have not seen anyone in the police lose their jobs as a result of all those deaths. These chaps are being penalised..
Typical of modern Britain. Honest, law-abiding gun owners who follow the rules are penalized....criminals do what they please with impunity. But there are also a lot of people out there who just don't like guns, who don't believe that anyone should be allowed to own them in the UK, and are prepared to make spurious complaints knowing that the police will act in this way.
The whole system is set up to oppress the population. Soon enough we have a social credit score system, and that will make gun ownership even harder. Probably impossible for most.
Reason i voluntarily gave up my FAC & Shotgun certificate 30 years ago, it broke my heart but i could see this BS coming. Coppers then had started wearing short sleeved shirts & flashing off their tattoo's, especially if they were only 5ft 7inches tall. Could see it going to rat shit & wanted to be as far away from "The Filth" as possible!. If plod had of ever turned up at my gaff with H&K MP5s to take away my legally licenced & held guns they wouldn't be getting in. Who do they think they are?, i know who they are, 99% the likes of Wayne Couzens. Look at serious crime going up + plod reclassifying crimes so it looks like they are doing a job!. Then the plod who turns up on your door is getting paid Tax payers money to "Bully" because that is what they are as well as parasites taking public money for doing FA. Then retired at 50 years old on a GOOD pension again paid for by the public. I despise the maggots!!
Hello. You wouldn't believe how much this comment means to me. I was recently falsely arrested and sexually abused by 4 pigs. I've no criminal record to be clear. I can't stand them. They don't protect us, quite the opposite - the law essentially prevents us from defending ourselves and of course the police only show up after a crime, once the damage is done. I've also noticed that short and female cops are the most insufferable.
Indeed....the last bullshite visit by police out of their jurisdiction to serve a search warrant on a Canadian gunsmith resulted in the 70 year old gunsmith (also the gunsmith used by Ontario Provincial Police) being gunned down, killed by an overeager cop. Latest news is that the cops cleared themselves of wrongdoing....
As an expat Brit who has lived in the US for over 20 years I'm with KevinReeder . This is why I would never go back to the UK . Thank god for the the 2nd amendment and for the lobbying of the NRA
They asked me to have a routine medical just before the lockdowns. The GPs closed down for around 8 months. A few weeks in, D&C revoked my licences for not having the medical! My only route was to go to crown court which I couldnt afford
Great advice from someone who doesn't know the law Gary. The police don't always need a warrant. Check out Sec 18(1), 18(5) and 32 PACE plus some common law powers, all of which give Police a power of entry without a warrant. But we digress.........
In general the police do not have the right to enter a person's house or other private premises without their permission. However, they can enter without a warrant: when in close pursuit of someone the police believe has committed, or attempted to commit, a serious crime, or. to sort out a disturbance, or.
Therefore-clanger_68 the police would have to a bloody good reason and present that reasoning as evidence for the removal of said firearms from someone’s abode. The reluctance of the police to give an explanation seems to be key would you agree?
yep. lock your downstairs doors. call your solicitor before you address them from an upstairs window. when you do address them - make sure it is only what your solicitor has told you to make known to everyone in earshot if anything.
Listen up Basc if you don't help these shooters no one will join or rejoin. What is the point of basc etc.I will no longer waste my money on you unless you do far more than advise.
If basc are not willing to support there members who haven't done anything wrong after paying there membership for years in some cases. Thinking they have some sort of legal cover and support and now need legal help but get nothing is just disgusting.
Do BASC not have a fighting fund to appeal these cases? Unless these alleged heavy handed tactics are proven to be at fault the Police will continue to persecute members of the shooting community with impunity. It is time the BASC stepped up to the plate to defend it's members, if that puts a cost on the membership fees it will still be cheaper than taking action themselves or having to submit to wrongful Police action.
What financial recompense do you get from the police for the guns they have taken? Most people have guns worth a lot of money, thousands, surely this is theft unless you are refunded the full market value of the weapons and all associated equipment.
Not so much after they have had sticky mits on them for 6 months without being cleaned and having been kicked round the armoury by a load of ex squaddies.
Not a damn penny! The cops marched in and took about £3,000 of my guns, plus my antique family heirlooms that I inherited from my father who collected antique muskets and pistols.
Lawful citizens are always the first to pay the price for criminal's activities. These egregious laws do nothing to stop criminal activity; a determined criminal will always find a way to inflict violence onto someone. Take the guns away, they go for knifes, cars, axes, hatchets, baseball bats, scissors, and eventually cast-iron frying pans... when does the insanity of confiscations stop?
Get this on mainstream media, it cost my friend 10,000 to get his back and the police even lost one of his firearms 😳 he had his day in court and won they even threatened his witness as to what happened
101 number is an absolute joke I’ve phoned this number on various times to the point I’ve hung up because no one answers it. Totally pointless number. Gone are the days when we had a village Bobby who knew everyone on his beat and any problems you had you always knew he could be relied on. You phone up now and by the time they find your address or where the problem is it takes them so long the person or persons committing the crime have long gone as the call centre staff haven’t a clue of the area that they are covering.
By being on your property without a warrant or your permission the police were committing armed trespass, the police new this and phoneyed up the accusations against the chap in order to cover their backsides. Should anyone else find themselves in a similar situation my advice would be to not open your door but to talk to the police from an upstairs window empty hands clearly on display, inform them they are being filmed and are appearing live on facebook that should cool their heels, ask to see their warrant to search your address if they have non ask politely for their names and numbers inform them that you will be on the phone to the chief constable in the morning to ask why they are committing armed trespass and then politely ask them to leave. remember that if they have a warrant any misspelling or incorrect address invalidates the warrant and you can refuse them entry.
First of all. Do not allow them entry to take your guns. If they had a warrant then they can take them. He can get the body cam video. He needs to apply for it with a Subject Access Request from the force. You can sue them in county court for no money. Represent yourself. At the very least you can get compensation for the guns. The presenter is WRONG they do not go to “crown court”. They go to county court.
Isn't there an organisation that gun owners can pay a yearly subscription to who would then provide legal representation? Isn't this something that the NRA does in the USA?
I have a sympathy for these guys, but in general terms the UK is not that lawless say as the US and guns are not that common place at all with the normal populace... still we haven't got a looser in charge of the Country either.
I don't own a gun and would not want one - If I lived in a country where i felt unsafe in not having one, I'd emigrate. Not for everyone I know and its not just about protection - In the UK we are not allowed to have them for protection, really only for some sado's that get a kick out of killing stuff mostly. A few for pest control (but thats the justification for most of even those - they of course are sado's too). Target and Clay shooting is fine I think, but I suspect the right to bear arms is not concerned with such trivialities....
@@markdowns9607 its more complicated than just generalizing it to America. It's the democrat run cities that have strict gun control or straight bans that are full of crime. If you removed those cities from the equation you would see an insane decrease in crime in America. A lot of people miss the logic that criminals are less likely to rob someone who can defend themselves with a gun. It's common sense really. Now you have a place like Philadelphia where its almost impossible to legally carry or own, and it becomes a field day for criminals making the cities crime spike.
@@kotaspremiere2931 I take your point ! Although I am not an American... I am not seeing how a gun control policy can be effective in that land. When guns are in a society how can you take them ALL back? It is impossible only dreamers think otherwise... however such a policy touted in the political Arena could win votes or in reality take the light off important issues at the time...
I think in terms of how the police have apparently acted in these cases which seams without a strong and reasonable excuse to enter and remove the firearms then think of this. In general the police do not have the right to enter a person's house or other private premises without their permission. However, they can enter without a warrant: when in close pursuit of someone the police believe has committed, or attempted to commit, a serious crime, or. to sort out a disturbance. The police therefore having to apply for a warrant would put themselves in a position of stating exactly why this would be necessary.
That's BS if somebody is accusing you of something they need a video of the action not just your say everybody has a camera today on your phone there's no excuse for not having photos of it
Why disarm your citizens. If you don't trust them with a firearms you certainly don't deserve theirs. It's a bad sign. you should hold on to your guns.
The people in the UK are really clueless. People will complain about this, that or some other injustice where they have complained to no effect. You say to them "have you taken this to your MP"? and the answer is inevitably no. You then ask them what their MP is being paid for - go see him/her. Usually they don't, they prefer just to complain to anyone who will listen and so they get what they deserve. In this case in the video the cops tricked them into surrendering their property and so they created a grey area. It the cops had confiscated the guns they would have to have shown good reason, if they couldn't then they would have been acting unlawfully. The Charter of Paris 1990 (the UK is Party to this) says that everone has the right to know and act on their rights - so the cops should have explained their rights to them but thy didn't so the cops are in breach of quite a few human rights agreements. The "rule of law" is a sick joke in the UK.
If these people have been out waving guns about. Why have they not been arrested for a crime? I think that is because if they were arrested, it would show there was never a complaint of any wrong doing by them.
Canadian hunter here...disgraceful! So called law enforcement doing the dirty work of and joining servant ranks the lesser men once again! Congratulations British clown cops, you're really distinguishing yourselves.
Are you a member of BASC?? I am a life member, had my certificate taken although still valid and BASC did absolutely nothing to help me, even though they had a specialist solicitor at the time!
Police need to be held accountable including fines for individual officers. In this particular case examples would be giving false information, with holding evidence and impedeing information. I would suggest a video on how to deal with such cases, such as keeping a diary of who you spoke to when and where plus and recording of all interactions.
Оружием может стать любой предмет в руках неадекватного человека. Почему бы полиции не начать конфисковывать сковородки и молотки, другие режущие, колющие предметы, например гвозди. Странная позиция. Наверное все же полиция имеет основания для изъятия. Если оснований и веских причин нет, то стоит вероятно аппелировать к нормам закона.
Basically the police and justice system is inaccessible to the law abiding public, unless you have lots of money to throw away. on legal representation . So much for the UK legal system.
I lived in Devon near Exeter I have no trust in the police force there ive even worked in Cullompton police station and seen what goes on ...this is a miss carriage of justice I hope these and many others get there fire arms back
An ex partner worked for civilian Police in Hertfordshire & some of the tales she told!, good job unknown to her i kept records. Nothing but incompetent clowns & most uniformed coppers are incapable of holding an intelligent conversation!
I've been waiting for almost a year for s SGC grant it's been with the decision section for almost six months. Is this a way off not having to take certificate back just delay and not issue
Gun law in the UK needs to change, with things in Ukraine the UK poeple have no idea how to handle a firearm and if the same happened in the UK the country would be buggered
This is the problem people have; financial restraints on appealing. After me refusal (after a grant) I didn't know whether it was worthwhile risking the money, but my wife reminded me I always teach our kids how important justice is, standing up to bullies, and tackling unfairness, so... I have the first appeal hearing this Thursday
" I have no trust in the police anymore "....... As do 99% of the UK population, welcome to the club.
"You'll own nothing, and be happy" - The police are the THUGS, that are here to make that happen.
Sir Harry Roberts
It isn’t the police at fault. It is the left wing politicians who fear us. They do not want us to be able to stand up against them and their tyranny. Thomas Jefferson said that it is not just the right of the people to keep and bare arms, but our duty. Our founding fathers warned us of the day that we would have to fight to keep our freedom. Tyrannical politicians will alway be trying to have total control over us. So fight on.
The Police are routinely using the term "surrender" and then insisting upon threat of arrest that they invade your home and search for weapons and ammunition. This is to avoid the process of obtaining a Firearms Act Warrant at Magistrates Court and they are therefore routinely acting unlawfully and depending uponm the costs to prevent any court action against them. If they do not feel safe enough to request a legitimate surrender and allow you to fetch them and hand them over, then a warrant is the appropriate route where a magistrate can test their reasoning in advance. The Police have completely forgotten who they serve.
They serve their Natzi masters.....TYRANNY
Your going to have to stop pretending the boomer truth regime is anything other than anti white propaganda. Watch europa the last battle
"The Police have completely forgotten who they serve?" The police are Crown servants, that is who they serve - the Crown, otherwise known as the Government.
@@fredgillespie5855 They act like a law unto themselves,serving their own interests, when it suits them locally. Firearms ownership is local issue and govt. is not involved they see it under category of crime when Police make it appear so with their devious tactics like turning up armed to teeth as above. Now pis off and be Judged by someone else.
I threatened legal action against D&C police firearms for a similar thing in 2018/19 and got £1,100 compensation as an out of court settlement, I did it myself without solicitors etc. Just a lot of emails and a promise this wasn't going away.... Michelle Moore was a waste of space then, I'm surprised she still has a job!!
Good on you Nick. This is getting out of control.
did you get your licence/guns back ?
@@julieannecharters6132 yes, after 8 months...
Firstly, well done 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Secondly, you might have to do it all over again. This is only the beginning. And you will now be a target ❗️😫
@@stephenclarke3990 i did think that before posting.... but some one needs to say/do something. We pay for this service (not nearly enough in my opinion. )
NEVER EVER voluntarily hand over your firearms unless they have a valid warrant...if you do you can't fight it in court..
So how do you stop them taking your guns ?
They come to your door Armed and aggressive.
How are you going to react, if you refuse to cooperate they will use your refusal to consolidate their position.
I think you are in a very scary place and they know it, they are trained to intimidate the public.
BASC, is an organisation that purport to be supportive of it's members, I suppose they are, if you've got land and financial clout.
No entry into your home without a search warrant and court order signed by a judge.
Your licence is a warrant in a way, you having guns in society gives them an a excuse to bash your door in.
@@chrisabraham8793 NO it does not!
@@nigelbase1196 I totally agree with you but with plod these days they think they are above the law, they are out to intimidate, to scare you to say and do the wrong thing etc.
BASC help and advice as much use as a chocolate fire guard. Thanks for the support BASC, hang your heads in shame.
Civil rights and private property rights don’t exist in a police state like UK. Outrageous behavior by overreaching police that has zero to do with crime.
Don't know if you're all past the point of no return, but are there any brilliant barristers, plus patriots with deep pockets, who will take this fight on principles through the courts?
@@josephstabile9154 that is what it will take, a sustained test of the UK legal system, which right now is full of subjective nonsense
There has to be a lawyer willing to pick this case up somewhere? Sad state of affairs. There you go Hunters, it’s not just us Sport Shooters.
As a gun owner in the US stories like this make me angry. Even being lawful, honest and cooperative isn’t enough to keep a gun there.
they did it to themselves. this is what happens when you give up your rights out of fear that someone MIGHT do something.
@@LisaAnn777 I totally agree... I'm from UK and what we (lawful gun owners) have to put up with of late! can't go out and shoot pigeons after the beating season now. Four weeks we used to get. The plod have gone crazy. The UK have a very very small amount of gun crime, however, knifes are apparently everywhere killing everyone every day, I know..., lets ban all knives including kitchen knives!
and cars after that.
We need help, our government and monarchy are tyrannical, they only show the rest of the world what they want them to see, if it carries on well be North Korea!!!!
And the police wonder why they are hated?
Justice is for those who have the money.
When BASC dropped the legal insurance ,shooters who did not look elsewhere for cover like gunplan now have there arses hanging in the breeze when things like this happen.its about £40 a year .total no brainer.
@@julieannecharters6132 i did not knkw such insurance existed . I will look at our SSAA Australia.
@@julieannecharters6132 this is true although there is not an insurance company that would take this case in meaning you have wasted your £40. Insurance companies access each case before agreeing to challenge in court you have to have a higher than 51% chance of winning. Being aggressive in public on 2 occasions means your chances are literally 0 hence the advice that he received.
Well said Paul👍 until you have had experience with the law and lawyers you just don’t know how twisted the law can be in all walks of life . If you have the money you can buy the results you want. Or at the very least a better outcome ☹️
@@julieannecharters6132 … interesting, what do you get for your £40+ subscription please? Cheers.
If you are a law abiding individual they have you at every turn, they don't care about criminals
This is my experience too.
The police around here have never caught the men involved in three separate gang raped of young girls...
But they've arrested people for posting memes or shouting out of their cars in road rage incidents.
They're beyond a hideous joke.
Typical of the P9lice punishing the innocent to cover their own faults.
In the case of the New Zealand Police, you are correct. They never followed their own rules for issuing licenses. The mosque gunman got a license (when he shouldn't - had the Police complied with their own statutory obligations) and now they punish legitimate firearm users.
Makes you wonder... Has Prince Andrew had that knock on his door?
they need their guns to protect the live in pedo.
They could visit Charles whilst they're at it, once he's finished talking to his plants that is.
Absolutely
Only on historical sexual issues ??
This is disgusting British gun licence are the hardest in Europe it’s a pity the police don’t spend as much time on knife crimes that are 98% more than gun crime just a lot easier for the police.
BASC seem to be a waste of space in not supporting their members. These gentlemen have a right to make a FOI (freedom of information request) about the seizure of their firearms and therefore find out about the crime/incident number connected with the seizure. They can also check if correct procedure has been followed etc. Nick Corbett has made some pertinent points below.
So BASC are a waste of money because they advised a member how to proceed, ? He does not have the funds for a legal challenge and has been revoked for being aggressive in public twice. The other guy again aggressive in public and no mention of basc maybe he is not a member of basc ? Or do you think BASC should fight for people who are aggressive to hold guns ?
Unproven allegations.
@@albion1949 I can neither confirm or deny that, unsure how you can.
@@Top_Shots_Photography absolutely right. Everyone who has their certificate revoked claims to be an angel but there is always a reason why the police make these decisions.
Same with the NRA who didn't support owners of SLRs when they were banned after Hungerford
That's why we have a right to bear arms in the United States the right to bear arms was given to us to defend ourselves against the government
Red flag laws are doing the same thing here. We have states that have less freedoms than others but it just goes to show that freedoms will eventually die if they are not defended. Gun dealers have had their bank accounts frozen as a form of gun control by banks and financial institutions to force people to out. Our freedoms are constantly under attack by our own government and even the private sectors. Amazing how people are ready to sell out their own freedom for a pretense of security. Austin Tx is now democrat controlled and is starting to look like CA. Facts are democrats always flee what they vote in and ruin it everywhere else as they escape the disasters they create. There's no way to stop them moving in and wrecking TX the same CA, NY, Chicago, Detroit or anywhere else they overrun. They are like a plague of locusts that destroy everything in the area and move on.
@@Phantom8589 see you are correct about that when the government came out and said that felons shouldn't own firearms then everybody said yeah you're right and so we as a country allowed our government to infringe our right to bear arms you understand I seen a video of a lawmaker at UT of Austin and he was booed out why because he had a different belief in what they were being taught they're being taught to accept socialism to accept government control they're also being taught to bully those who believe different
@@Phantom8589 when you're right Austin Texas is a f****** pigsty
@@Phantom8589 the funny thing is you mention Austin Texas there's more of us here than there are then if we would just get out and vote then we wouldn't have to do with this bulshit now would we
But then just say the way the government passing out free money will be fully Venezuelan in a year I would suggest whatever Affairs you have that roping you need to get them in order and be ready for full-blown communism do you understand
Fieldsports Britain should be bringing this to the attention of the general public. If Devon and Cornwall were targeting people solely on the basis that they were gypsies, or black this behaviour would be stamped out. Shooting is part of our culture "they wiped out one third of my life". They should not be able to do this on a whim with no proper investigation and should have no more than a week to put the issue before an independant adjudicator following confiscation and not be allowed to stonewall the licence holder. Surrendering a licence should only be regarded as the shooter approaching the police and anything else as a confiscation. Any allegation of wrongdoing by a licence holder should immdeiately involve an interview prior to confiscation and guns should automatically be placed with an RFD not the police unless they are forensic evidence.
Unfortunately the "general public" don't care. They've been led to believe that we're all potential mass-murderers by the media and veggie protest groups. You've got a point about racial bias though: All the cases I've heard about are caucasian males... Surely that's racial profiling ;-)
I don't think this is high on Fieldsports agenda see my post when I asked them the same thing.
@@perlogalism2167 Согласен с вами. Живу в Западной Сибири. Мой отец, мой брат и все знакомые спросили меня,, зачем тебе это нужно,, когда я купил итальянскую двустволку и пошёл заниматься стендовой стрельбой. Увлёкся позже охотой, но больше люблю побродить с ружьём по нашему осеннем лесу, мне нравится природа и сам процесс. Большинство знакомых и коллег из тех кто знает не понимает зачем я занимаюсь стрельбой. А меня это успокаивает и расслабляет. На стенде я сосредоточен и это отвлекает меня от стрессов в городе и на работе. Это удовольствие. Люди не имеющие оружия не понимают что стрелки это абсолютно законопослушные, думающие и очень ответственные люди. Это же очевидно. Но для большинства, человек с оружием кажется странным... А ведь это всего лишь инструмент для души) как скрипка или гитара.
Thanks for this, John. This is high on our agenda. What's not is attacking the shooting organisations which I think I understand from your comments is what you would like us to do. / Charlie
@@fieldsportstv So Charlie, what's the plan mate? There are some very, very wealthy shooters out there and highly trained/placed legal eagles. Perhaps you and Johnny Carter could build a working group from your respective contacts. I see this as a cultural attack, I've been around guns since I was 10 it is intrinsic to who I am. (This is the wife's account) I joined the NGO because BASC, though well organised, don't seem to be as good as they claim. Dave
Sue them!! This is illegal activity, claiming you brandished a gun in public and if you didn't take them to the cleaners mate.
The point is normal folks don't have the money for that.
Police fabricating evidence is very common I had this experience in Adelaide about 25 years ago where in court a cop put forward signed statements supposedly by me which I had never made and when I challenged it in court the magistrate was disgusted by the cops action.
Was the cop prosecuted for perjury etc.?
Post Hungerford, 1987 both mine and my families f,a,c’s were revoked, and not a penny of compensation paid out for our guns. There are times I wish I lived in the u.s.a. God bless America, long live the republic.
BASC is not fit for purpose waste of money.
Nothing like a few human sacrifices to make the people think the monsters have gone away!
Typical cowardly response from the do as we police force. Utter disgrace as per usual. Untrustworthy, unhelpful.
As a relative newcomer to the sport, this is quite a worrying story. Why are the official organisations not providing legal assistance in cases such as this, perhaps they are trying to make this a "rich mans" sport only. The official bodies need to get their finger out and offer shooters some legal support.
that's why I left them all. they do nothing except ask for the membership money on the dot every year, another scam. Oh dear is that aggressive talking.
Unbelievable response from B.A.S.C
BASC are a waste of space as far as average Joe is concerned, unless you are landed gentry, it's a matter of thanks for your money, now go away until your next renewal, completely out of touch with general public
@@johntozer8270 Wrong. I have direct personal experience that shows otherwise. BASC is worth its weight in gold for all shooters, without them & their support at all levels we would all eventually get stuffed.
@@mrsmith906 there are many more agree with me than disagree most won't even join, just look at the out of touch price of entering to try and win Longthorne shotgun, they need to live in the real world,
@@johntozer8270 I'm in a wildfowling club and BASC are currently working hard at national level to protect our marsh shooting consents, spending many thousands of pounds in the process, our members are Joe Public. Without BASC fighting our corner we would be lost. They also helped me & my nephew when applying for a certificate otherwise the police would have ignored us. BASC also helped my shooting buddy with a renewal issue. Without BASC, shooting sports would be on a slippery slope to being banned. Now if you want the chance to win a Best English Shotgun the tickets won't be a quid each like at our club meetings where I won a box of cartridges last month...
@@mrsmith906 as I said completely out of touch with average joe and reality, make prize and entry cost more affordable, especially in this day and age they are turning away younger people from taking up the sport
The same happened to someone that I know. They had had guns since 17 years old and at the time was 68.
Police said he had allowed a person un licenced to take and use his firearms without him present.
No evidence of any offence and was proven by witnesses that what they were accusing was false.
4 years later police still won't return the weapons. The whole thing is costing thousands. Luckily there a member of basc and there costs are covered by them. And it's never been taken to court by the police because they know there's no case to answer.
There really should be some sort of legal and enforced check on police for things like this. Like a forced case or something. Where i live the police are pretty decent country folk, but i know there are places where even whole departments can be bad. Police are humans, and humans can get full of themselves especially when they have power.
Truly disgusting behaviour by those we should respect. Reputation is a hard thing to get back once mistakes have been made. These actions show just what they will stoop too, to try and regain respect. I hope these cases are won and compensation is awarded for all those who have been wrongly vilified
Why doesn't the fieldsports channel set up a go fund me account to help these people. Waste of time calling BASC they are useless. Get your mp involved as well.
Thanks for this. We have set up a WhatsApp group for the victims and added friendly lawyers to it + we are promoting one of the shooters' GoFundMe appeals. I'm sorry - it's the limitation of being a TV network. / Charlie
If you have a good MP, use them. Regards
Surely if there is an allegation there must be a crime number? This must then be investigated properly. Once the police can see you've done nothing wrong they should give your guns back. Or you'd like to think.
As an ex police officer; there will definitely be a crime/incident reference number. Furthermore the two gentlemen are entitled to some sort of disclosure of the allegations being made against them. Unless the police who attempt to seize your firearms have a letter revoking your certificate, they have no power to enter or seize your property. Very worrying that the documentation they have been given by the police is proportioning to suggest that the firearms were surrendered when quite clearly they were seized. Sending 4 armed officers to seize firearms it completely disproportionate.
Thanks, Nick. We have put up advice like this from ex police officers on our website, too. / Charlie
@@20ppc Its § 1 of Ze Pölicing Law, which reads:
"Because I say so".
This is a consistent ploy used in NZ. All it takes is an anonymous accusation and the police can use the mental health act to take good peoples guns. No evidence needed.
The great reset can’t happen to armed citizens. But I guess that’s just a crazy conspiracy theory proposed by Alex Jones.
Sorry to report, I am an organisation junkie. I'm a member of CA and GWCT since the 1980s, BASC since the 1990s, and more recently SCI and Angling Trust. I am not interested in what they can do, personally, for me - apparently, some of them offer insurance - and I wish they'd all stop sending me their tedious magazines - but I am keen to support them for what they do lobbying government. / Charlie
Sorry for your troubles. Terrible that you must be approved and permitted to own a gun.
The police in the UK alienate themselves at every turn. They are contemptible. I despise what they've become, and I used to work for them!
Apparently you have to put those Apple trackers on your guns and equipment and wear a go pro from the second you take them out of the safe and to the range and back home recording every second otherwise the police will fabricate any evidence or alleged scenario to seize your firearms.
As an American I feel sorry for folks in nanny state countries. Americans will never give up their right to protect themselves.
The poice couldn't even spell Remington on the receipt, which shows you how much they know about the subject.
In other words BASC was no use at all
these guys need to form organizations that will go to court for them
I hope everyone realizes here, that if we let this happen it will be all of us next given time and not just Devon and Cornwall!! And unfortunately I feel this is the first domino and the beginning of the end of shooting and private gun ownership in the UK.
But the police are doing the right things here, trying to get all the guns away. Guns have no purpose in society.
Ok Ukrane.
@@prancer1803 Quiet down pansy. You want your government to defend you? Good luck with that.
It's well past the first domino in GB. Your ancestors gave away your liberty decades ago. We are slowly and voluntarily giving ours away in the US, too.
@@emouselOregon It's a very sad state of affairs, I don't disagree, it's quite clear to see when you think about it
I have not seen any enquiry into the pathetic way in which the Devon and Cornwall Police dealt with a person who was a know mental case. We still have not seen anyone in the police lose their jobs as a result of all those deaths. These chaps are being penalised..
Guns have no place in the UK, according to public opinion, and they should be banned.
Typical of modern Britain. Honest, law-abiding gun owners who follow the rules are penalized....criminals do what they please with impunity.
But there are also a lot of people out there who just don't like guns, who don't believe that anyone should be allowed to own them in the UK, and are prepared to make spurious complaints knowing that the police will act in this way.
Why can't they get gun's and weapons off drug dealers, crooks etc. That involves real work with they seem to be incapable of.
And this is an excellent example of "red flag" laws being abused.
The whole system is set up to oppress the population. Soon enough we have a social credit score system, and that will make gun ownership even harder. Probably impossible for most.
You can't comply yourself out of tyranny.
Reason i voluntarily gave up my FAC & Shotgun certificate 30 years ago, it broke my heart but i could see this BS coming. Coppers then had started wearing short sleeved shirts & flashing off their tattoo's, especially if they were only 5ft 7inches tall. Could see it going to rat shit & wanted to be as far away from "The Filth" as possible!. If plod had of ever turned up at my gaff with H&K MP5s to take away my legally licenced & held guns they wouldn't be getting in. Who do they think they are?, i know who they are, 99% the likes of Wayne Couzens. Look at serious crime going up + plod reclassifying crimes so it looks like they are doing a job!. Then the plod who turns up on your door is getting paid Tax payers money to "Bully" because that is what they are as well as parasites taking public money for doing FA. Then retired at 50 years old on a GOOD pension again paid for by the public. I despise the maggots!!
Yeah, I gave my shotgun cert up this year after 15 years, just too many forms and too much agro these days that I can’t be bothered with anymore 🤷♂️
Hello. You wouldn't believe how much this comment means to me. I was recently falsely arrested and sexually abused by 4 pigs. I've no criminal record to be clear.
I can't stand them. They don't protect us, quite the opposite - the law essentially prevents us from defending ourselves and of course the police only show up after a crime, once the damage is done.
I've also noticed that short and female cops are the most insufferable.
When I had visits from the police in the 80s just one unarmed police man turned up, often in plain clothes - how times have changed
Indeed....the last bullshite visit by police out of their jurisdiction to serve a search warrant on a Canadian gunsmith resulted in the 70 year old gunsmith (also the gunsmith used by Ontario Provincial Police) being gunned down, killed by an overeager cop. Latest news is that the cops cleared themselves of wrongdoing....
As an expat Brit who has lived in the US for over 20 years I'm with KevinReeder . This is why I would never go back to the UK . Thank god for the the 2nd amendment and for the lobbying of the NRA
I was right to cancel my BASC membership. Absolutely unfit for purpose.
Wake up US thats what they want to do here
They asked me to have a routine medical just before the lockdowns. The GPs closed down for around 8 months. A few weeks in, D&C revoked my licences for not having the medical! My only route was to go to crown court which I couldnt afford
Infuriating!
Looks like they revoked it because you had one! We are lucky to have a very decent Firearms dept. in Lincolnshire long may it stay that way.
John - if you want to appeal, please can you get in touch? / Charlie charlie@fieldsportschannel.tv
Of coarse you can take them to Court, cost you nothing, you are the plaintiff….the Police basically have stolen your property. Regards.
They don’t have tele-heath visits there?
Totalitarian regime.
Do not let the police into the house without a warrant.
Great advice from someone who doesn't know the law Gary. The police don't always need a warrant. Check out Sec 18(1), 18(5) and 32 PACE plus some common law powers, all of which give Police a power of entry without a warrant. But we digress.........
In general the police do not have the right to enter a person's house or other private premises without their permission. However, they can enter without a warrant: when in close pursuit of someone the police believe has committed, or attempted to commit, a serious crime, or. to sort out a disturbance, or.
Therefore-clanger_68 the police would have to a bloody good reason and present that reasoning as evidence for the removal of said firearms from someone’s abode. The reluctance of the police to give an explanation seems to be key would you agree?
Seems that our community is paying the price for their mistakes.
yep. lock your downstairs doors. call your solicitor before you address them from an upstairs window. when you do address them - make sure it is only what your solicitor has told you to make known to everyone in earshot if anything.
Same thing happens in Australia
Despicable!
Listen up Basc if you don't help these shooters no one will join or rejoin. What is the point of basc etc.I will no longer waste my money on you unless you do far more than advise.
If basc are not willing to support there members who haven't done anything wrong after paying there membership for years in some cases.
Thinking they have some sort of legal cover and support and now need legal help but get nothing is just disgusting.
Do BASC not have a fighting fund to appeal these cases? Unless these alleged heavy handed tactics are proven to be at fault the Police will continue to persecute members of the shooting community with impunity. It is time the BASC stepped up to the plate to defend it's members, if that puts a cost on the membership fees it will still be cheaper than taking action themselves or having to submit to wrongful Police action.
What financial recompense do you get from the police for the guns they have taken? Most people have guns worth a lot of money, thousands, surely this is theft unless you are refunded the full market value of the weapons and all associated equipment.
Not so much after they have had sticky mits on them for 6 months without being cleaned and having been kicked round the armoury by a load of ex squaddies.
Your left with out guns objectives accomplished
Not a damn penny! The cops marched in and took about £3,000 of my guns, plus my antique family heirlooms that I inherited from my father who collected antique muskets and pistols.
Remember when they outlawed gold in America ? And all gold was forfeited and confiscated under the law nobody ever brings this back up .
Well you folks allowed it to happen the first time you gave up your rights to begin with..
Lawful citizens are always the first to pay the price for criminal's activities. These egregious laws do nothing to stop criminal activity; a determined criminal will always find a way to inflict violence onto someone. Take the guns away, they go for knifes, cars, axes, hatchets, baseball bats, scissors, and eventually cast-iron frying pans... when does the insanity of confiscations stop?
It's called a tyrannical government
Get this on mainstream media, it cost my friend 10,000 to get his back and the police even lost one of his firearms 😳 he had his day in court and won they even threatened his witness as to what happened
They act like a criminal Mafia
101 number is an absolute joke I’ve phoned this number on various times to the point I’ve hung up because no one answers it. Totally pointless number. Gone are the days when we had a village Bobby who knew everyone on his beat and any problems you had you always knew he could be relied on. You phone up now and by the time they find your address or where the problem is it takes them so long the person or persons committing the crime have long gone as the call centre staff haven’t a clue of the area that they are covering.
Why bother with BASC. It’s cheaper just buying other insurance.
By being on your property without a warrant or your permission the police were committing armed trespass, the police new this and phoneyed up the accusations against the chap in order to cover their backsides. Should anyone else find themselves in a similar situation my advice would be to not open your door but to talk to the police from an upstairs window empty hands clearly on display, inform them they are being filmed and are appearing live on facebook that should cool their heels, ask to see their warrant to search your address if they have non ask politely for their names and numbers inform them that you will be on the phone to the chief constable in the morning to ask why they are committing armed trespass and then politely ask them to leave. remember that if they have a warrant any misspelling or incorrect address invalidates the warrant and you can refuse them entry.
First of all. Do not allow them entry to take your guns. If they had a warrant then they can take them. He can get the body cam video. He needs to apply for it with a Subject Access Request from the force. You can sue them in county court for no money. Represent yourself. At the very least you can get compensation for the guns. The presenter is WRONG they do not go to “crown court”. They go to county court.
Isn't there an organisation that gun owners can pay a yearly subscription to who would then provide legal representation? Isn't this something that the NRA does in the USA?
Sad to hear that you've lost your right to bear arms. I myself, live in Texas USA. I am Blessed.
I have a sympathy for these guys, but in general terms the UK is not that lawless say as the US and guns are not that common place at all with the normal populace... still we haven't
got a looser in charge of the Country either.
I don't own a gun and would not want one - If I lived in a country where i felt unsafe in not having one, I'd emigrate. Not for everyone I know and its not just about protection - In the UK we are not allowed to have them for protection, really only for some sado's that get a kick out of killing stuff mostly. A few for pest control (but thats the justification for most of even those - they of course are sado's too). Target and Clay shooting is fine I think, but I suspect the right to bear arms is not concerned with such trivialities....
Dan stevens, that is the problem, our firearm ownership is treated as a privilege ,not a right as it is in the United States
@@markdowns9607 its more complicated than just generalizing it to America. It's the democrat run cities that have strict gun control or straight bans that are full of crime. If you removed those cities from the equation you would see an insane decrease in crime in America.
A lot of people miss the logic that criminals are less likely to rob someone who can defend themselves with a gun. It's common sense really. Now you have a place like Philadelphia where its almost impossible to legally carry or own, and it becomes a field day for criminals making the cities crime spike.
@@kotaspremiere2931 I take your point !
Although I am not an American... I am not seeing how a gun control policy can be effective in that land. When guns are in a society how can you take them ALL back? It is impossible only dreamers think otherwise... however such a policy touted in the political Arena could win votes or in reality take the light off important issues at the time...
I think in terms of how the police have apparently acted in these cases which seams without a strong and reasonable excuse to enter and remove the firearms then think of this.
In general the police do not have the right to enter a person's house or other private premises without their permission. However, they can enter without a warrant: when in close pursuit of someone the police believe has committed, or attempted to commit, a serious crime, or. to sort out a disturbance.
The police therefore having to apply for a warrant would put themselves in a position of stating exactly why this would be necessary.
So, always make sure you have your phone recording video whenever the police are at your door.
I always have that ready whenever i see "The Filth" in the area. I despise the incompetent parasites!
You poor bastards. You don’t have a chance.
Field sports channel, you need to now question BASC on why they are not helping their paying subscribers in legal aid in this matter
That's BS if somebody is accusing you of something they need a video of the action not just your say everybody has a camera today on your phone there's no excuse for not having photos of it
Why disarm your citizens. If you don't trust them with a firearms you certainly don't deserve theirs. It's a bad sign. you should hold on to your guns.
The people in the UK are really clueless. People will complain about this, that or some other injustice where they have complained to no effect. You say to them "have you taken this to your MP"? and the answer is inevitably no. You then ask them what their MP is being paid for - go see him/her. Usually they don't, they prefer just to complain to anyone who will listen and so they get what they deserve. In this case in the video the cops tricked them into surrendering their property and so they created a grey area. It the cops had confiscated the guns they would have to have shown good reason, if they couldn't then they would have been acting unlawfully. The Charter of Paris 1990 (the UK is Party to this) says that everone has the right to know and act on their rights - so the cops should have explained their rights to them but thy didn't so the cops are in breach of quite a few human rights agreements. The "rule of law" is a sick joke in the UK.
If these people have been out waving guns about. Why have they not been arrested for a crime? I think that is because if they were arrested, it would show there was never a complaint of any wrong doing by them.
The first fella said about his girlfriend being in tears, i think thats code for the ex has been using the police to get her own back.
If You think this is bad you should own a lurcher! Lurcher owners have been harassed by the police for years
Canadian hunter here...disgraceful! So called law enforcement doing the dirty work of and joining servant ranks the lesser men once again!
Congratulations British clown cops, you're really distinguishing yourselves.
Are you a member of BASC?? I am a life member, had my certificate taken although still valid and BASC did absolutely nothing to help me, even though they had a specialist solicitor at the time!
Police need to be held accountable including fines for individual officers. In this particular case examples would be giving false information, with holding evidence and impedeing information. I would suggest a video on how to deal with such cases, such as keeping a diary of who you spoke to when and where plus and recording of all interactions.
Makes me wonder why UK gun owners are being disarmed. What are their plans? What's around the corner??
Had had my renewal declined after the plymouth bussines!! And 2-5 years is what they told me!!!
Talk about closing the door after the horse has bolted !!
You no why they were in your garden shinning torches around...they were testing to see if you came out brandishing a gun... classic Gestapo trick..
Exactly never trust a policeman
If I am still alive, that means I did not "give" my guns to anyone. They were taken. After I attempt to defend myself.
And the BASC are where,,,,,,,,,,,too busy promoting steel shot .
Оружием может стать любой предмет в руках неадекватного человека. Почему бы полиции не начать конфисковывать сковородки и молотки, другие режущие, колющие предметы, например гвозди. Странная позиция. Наверное все же полиция имеет основания для изъятия. Если оснований и веских причин нет, то стоит вероятно аппелировать к нормам закона.
Basically the police and justice system is inaccessible to the law abiding public, unless you have lots of money to throw away. on legal representation . So much for the UK legal system.
Shocking hope they get there guns back
I lived in Devon near Exeter I have no trust in the police force there ive even worked in Cullompton police station and seen what goes on ...this is a miss carriage of justice I hope these and many others get there fire arms back
An ex partner worked for civilian Police in Hertfordshire & some of the tales she told!, good job unknown to her i kept records. Nothing but incompetent clowns & most uniformed coppers are incapable of holding an intelligent conversation!
@@kevinparker461 some of them are more corrupt than the people they're supposed to arrest
now you guys ungerstand why the Americans have there second Amendment right
And that's why I don't use BASC absolute joke
40 years safely owning guns and this feels more like Russia. Poor old boy
The cops tackling the important issues...
I've been waiting for almost a year for s SGC grant it's been with the decision section for almost six months.
Is this a way off not having to take certificate back just delay and not issue
Gun law in the UK needs to change, with things in Ukraine the UK poeple have no idea how to handle a firearm and if the same happened in the UK the country would be buggered
This is the problem people have; financial restraints on appealing.
After me refusal (after a grant) I didn't know whether it was worthwhile risking the money, but my wife reminded me I always teach our kids how important justice is, standing up to bullies, and tackling unfairness, so... I have the first appeal hearing this Thursday
Access by invitation? Thats a great cop shop .
For there to be a crime there first must be a Victim
Is there a way that they can contact the home office and complain about it too the government
Why do they always come at night .
Guilty until proven innocent, if we allow you to even defend yourself.
What amazes me in UK legal gun owners get treat like villians and the villians with hidden firearms laugh! lol