I LOVE this reliability test!!! There is NOTHING like watching the reliability test of a SUPER INEXPENSIVE, and almost all plastic .22 LR pistol, only to see the operator getting bored with not having ANY malfunctions of any kind, shadows of objects in the back ground changing because of the time taken by the movement of the sun, the target going from a fresh "site-N-See" target, to a hole in a piece of card board, and running out of most of the worlds variety of ammunition to test, during the test. IT'S THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING! I love my P-17's!!! They are MORE RELIABLE and also MORE ACCURATE than ANY of my Ruger Mark I's, Mark II's, Mark III's, Browning Buckmark, CZ-75 Cadet, or High Standards! Sorry Ruger. Sorry Browning. Sorry CZ. Sorry High Standard. These EXPENSIVE pistols with longer barrels and for the most part good sites are getting their butts kicked by a better, lighter design.KelTec for the win!!!
I bought mine for an edc work pistol . I like how light it is, I don’t have to worry about my pants falling down while working! I use cci .22lr mini mags and it fires flawlessly. It was a good two hundred dollars spent. Definitely recommended !
Very nice review; nice presentation. I got my P17 last week & absolutely love it. My trigger averages 2 lb with a Lyman digital gauge. These guns are an awesome value & work very well. Keltec got it right! 👍
I bought one 2 months ago. I dry fired the weapon & at 100 rounds it wouldn't eject the spent round fully, yet when I lubed the gun, Game On! It fired forever.
Great informative video! Only had mine for a few days but ran a few mags through it and it did great! Taking it to the range this weekend to have some fun!
Just bought a p17 after looking for one for nearly a year and a half. During the height of covid these were selling on gunbroker at staggering prices above 600 dollars. They're still hard to find but are slowly coming back in stock and at a reasonable price point. Looking forward to trying the little guy out
I hope you like it. There are some guns that I understand people paying over retail just to get. A little plinker 22 would not be one of them. 600.00 and above is a little excessive. I am happy you were able to find one more reasonable. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Good review, although I think I would've used a new target for each type of ammo, so you could compare the group sizes and therefore see if the pistol liked one type of ammo better than another.
Nice review! Interesting concept Kel-Tec used for the design. Would like to see a review after 2k rounds. I like the price. Maybe down the road I'll pick 1 up but right now I'm having fun with my CP33. The thing is a tack driver with a red dot mounted. Also running mini mags with no problem chambering the 1st round. I know some people were having problems with that. I was at 1st but found making sure the 1st round was tilted upward at the front in the magazine fixed that, now after about 2k rounds through it i don't bother checking the 1st round and it chambers fine every time. 👍
9/6/23 just bought a P17 on sale for 199 in black free shipping until 9/10/23 . It was hard to find anybody that had stock or the prices were 249 to 279
Mine is a pita to load that 16th round in the mag, i end up putting a dent in the 15th round trying to get that 16th one in. Then the mag wont lock in on a closed slide, the slide has to be open for the mag to lock in. Then it won't chamber that 16th round, it jams and gets stuck and i have to remove that 16th round. Getting 15 rounds in is easy and the mag WILL lock in with a closed slide on 15 rounds and will chamber that 15th round with no problem. Every 2-3 shots i get a stove pipe on all 3 mags .... Using CCI AR Tactical 1200 fps 40 grain, you would think it would be strong enough to cycle that slide to eject and extract that round and chamber a new one ... NOPE
I was able to grab two for $169.99 each. Only complaint was as it gets dirty from shooting. noticed the slide starts to not lock back when empty around after 200 rounds but i was running suppressed and that does make a difference. seems to be just a dirt issue from cheap Ammo. Better Ammo no problem.
Agree it is likely a dirty ammo issue, of course all 22lr runs a little on the dirty side. Also, using the front bushing I could see where it may be more susceptible to slide velocity being impacted by grit and grime. No science behind it just seems likely to me. No real problem, just will need to keep it clean. Thanks for viewing and the comments.
I wondered why you had a picture on your thumbnail of a center-fired bullet with a rim-fired pistol like the KEL-TEC P17 then I realized it was your own symbol/image.
Thank you for the comment. As far as finding a P17, the reality is even in normal times Keltec products can be hard to find. With the current gun buying situation it will be even more difficult. I wish you luck in finding one soon.
@@billsummy2412 Thats what I have to keep telling myself as well... I was lucky to be able to get one as early as I did and feel fortunate I was able to.
From the Kel Tec P17 manual: “Then pull the slide back and SLOWLY follow it forward. It is not recommended that you release the slide on its own force on an empty chamber, as this puts extra stress on the slide and barrel where they contact.” I don’t use the slide release lever to drop the slide with full force on an empty chamber with any firearm.
I ordered 2 of these in April of 2020. Now, at the end of February 2021, I still don't have them!! I called Kel-Tec to inquire on delays...I ws told that they are working 3 shifts around the clock and can't keep up with demand. I too have been unable to find them anywhere at any price.
Unfortunately, that is true for just about all firearms in the low to mid price range. The only thing you still see often are the high end high cost guns, which many people just cannot afford.
Thanks for watching and subscribing. I appreciate the feedback as well, and we are looking at some ways to make the shooting a little more fun to watch.
We bought 2 of these and one has been flawless, the other a complete failure. Its problem is fail to chamber. We tried 6 different types of ammo. Used all six of the magazines we got with the two guns and couldn’t get through a complete magazine without multiple FTC’s. I called the Kel-Tec customer service and they wanted it back. They want to make it right, which I appreciate. We’ll see how it goes. Meanwhile the other one keeps eating ammo.
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam Got it back in just over 3 weeks. They basically gave me a new gun, mostly, had a new serial number, and the polished the port. It works well now, but only with 1200fps ammo or faster. I tested with CCI and Aguila Super Extra and it only had a couple of issues that I feel were typical 22cal. ammo issues. I really like this gun and after a few more good runs at the range it should be flawless….other than ammo issues, which you can’t control.
@@1949rangerrick Yea they want high velocity ammo to ensure it kicks the slide back far enough to chamber the next round. I use only cci mini mags and this gun runs GOOD. The last time i had an issue was about 3 trips back to the range, i got 2 stove pipes from the same mag but that was out of 200 rounds. The last 2 trips to the range was about 400 total rounds and all 400 fired.
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam My sons has yet to have a failure. He purchased the slide with the optics and it runs great. That boy has all the luck. The science of the slide is important, that’s why they recommend not attaching optics to a standard slide.
@@1949rangerrick i also purchased that CT red dot slide for my P17 and still, it runs good. With the oem slide its 14.7 oz and with the red dot slide its 15.1 oz
@@CraigsGunChannel thanks , I've recently picked up a used p17 with very little use but can't hit the broadside of a barn with it... inspection show no faults , but I'm not impressed with the barrel rifleing... maybe I'm just to used to my Ruger's and Browning's... 😁
@@johndeesmith183 Wow, that does not sound good. While I would not expect Ruger/Browning standards, it should still be at a level to be acceptable. On mine I was very happy with the overall accuracy, it sounds like yours must be one that should have failed quality.
It has an actual slide lock which is activated by the magazine being empty, but it will stay locked back if you remove the magazine so you can reload then release the slide to chamber a new round.
With this now out in the marketplace, and other low cost options for .22lr, why would anyone spend the $$ for a G44? It blows ones 🤯. For me, and what I look for in competent, straight forward presentation CGC is one of the top 3 firearms reviewers on this platform. 👏
Thank you so much for the kind words. I wanted to create a no nonsense honest review channel and it is nice to hear I am on the right track. I agree with your opinion on the G44, there are a lot of options that deliver at a much better price.
They probably do. The fact that the very inexpensive P17 performs better than the much more expensive G44 has to bug them. And it really should. With as much time, money and hype they put into it the performance should have been better.
Occasional dry firing should not hurt it, but I would not do a lot of it. There are some companies that make a dry fire "block" for the P17 if you want to dryfire practice and ensure no harm is done.
When i went to the gun store to ask about this P17, the sales guy said eww keltec ?? So i rented their Glock 22 and their MP22 compact and both jammed constantly on me on every mag. Purchased the P17 and she runs strong.
Very much like a guerilla gun made in a peasant's hut in China. Thailand or Vietnam...simple and easy for unskilled workers to fabricate with minimal materials and ability.. but deadly and effective
Some constructive criticism on the video. The break down part of the video was great as were your explanations of how things work and function on the gun. The shooting portion not so much. It was extremely boring trying to watch it. Testing the ammo function off camera would be great and just shooting one may of each kind on camera would be much better. Also varying the shooting style would be better. Remember you are shooting the gun so it’s not prong to you but for us it’s hard to watch just plain staccato shooting. Double taps, mag dumps, all those things give people a better idea of how the gun functions. Food for thought !
Thanks for watching and the feedback. I agree that it gets a little dull just watching someone shoot, I get mixed feedback on it. Some want to see it, some don't. Due to TH-cam policies I will be making some changes so the shooting portion will now be a separate video going forward, and we are working to try to make it a little more dynamic.
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here we are May 3rd 2023 and this video is still one of the best of the P-17 on you tube. Thanks Craig! Thumbs up!
Thank you, I appreciate that and I am glad you liked it.
I LOVE this reliability test!!! There is NOTHING like watching the reliability test of a SUPER INEXPENSIVE, and almost all plastic .22 LR pistol, only to see the operator getting bored with not having ANY malfunctions of any kind, shadows of objects in the back ground changing because of the time taken by the movement of the sun, the target going from a fresh "site-N-See" target, to a hole in a piece of card board, and running out of most of the worlds variety of ammunition to test, during the test. IT'S THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING! I love my P-17's!!! They are MORE RELIABLE and also MORE ACCURATE than ANY of my Ruger Mark I's, Mark II's, Mark III's, Browning Buckmark, CZ-75 Cadet, or High Standards! Sorry Ruger. Sorry Browning. Sorry CZ. Sorry High Standard. These EXPENSIVE pistols with longer barrels and for the most part good sites are getting their butts kicked by a better, lighter design.KelTec for the win!!!
Just bought mine 2 days ago, ran 350 rounds straight out of the box, perfect function and great accuracy. A crazy bargain.
Good to hear that. Just don't shoot all you ammo up.
Craigs Gun Channel no worries on that end. Long prepared for this. Shot more again today.
I bought mine for an edc work pistol . I like how light it is, I don’t have to worry about my pants falling down while working! I use cci .22lr mini mags and it fires flawlessly. It was a good two hundred dollars spent. Definitely recommended !
Very nice review; nice presentation. I got my P17 last week & absolutely love it. My trigger averages 2 lb with a Lyman digital gauge. These guns are an awesome value & work very well. Keltec got it right! 👍
I couldn't agree more and thanks for watching and commenting.
I Got Three 16 round mags with mine for $212 and I liked it so much that several months later, I purchased another one and I now have two!
Excellent review! I just bought one and it’s been extremely reliable. So reliable in fact, I got an IWB holster for it and carry one often.
I have one and love it. If I could find another locally I would probably buy it.
I bought one 2 months ago. I dry fired the weapon & at 100 rounds it wouldn't eject the spent round fully, yet when I lubed the gun, Game On! It fired forever.
Good to hear all it needed was some oil. Rimfire is notorious for being dirty so once you fire a bunch it can get a bit gummed up.
Great informative video! Only had mine for a few days but ran a few mags through it and it did great! Taking it to the range this weekend to have some fun!
Thank you for the kind words. Have a great time with it at the range. I really like mine.
Great Video! You do a very good job on your presentation. That is running like a top.
Thank you, I appreciate it. I was very happy with the results, it has functioned perfectly so far.
Your a fine shooter sir, keep up the great work, have a blessed day América
Mine has been flawless for the 300 or so rounds I’ve put through it, love it!
I was very impressed with how well it worked and really enjoy mine.
Well over 600 now and still great, for the price, can’t be beat
I have a p17 and pmr30 . They are both great .
Glad I bought mine a few days ago. Can’t find them online I want another one.
Like all KelTecs, when you find one you should get it as they are frequently hard to find.
Where do they stamp the serial number?
Just bought a p17 after looking for one for nearly a year and a half. During the height of covid these were selling on gunbroker at staggering prices above 600 dollars. They're still hard to find but are slowly coming back in stock and at a reasonable price point. Looking forward to trying the little guy out
I hope you like it. There are some guns that I understand people paying over retail just to get. A little plinker 22 would not be one of them. 600.00 and above is a little excessive. I am happy you were able to find one more reasonable. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Fantastic weapon, I've never had a misfire or a malfunction. I'd love to get another but I can't find them in stock anywhere
Everything KelTec is like that, they produce way more designs and innovate way more than they are able to keep up with actual production demand.
If EVERYTHING goes to the left, aim to the right. Just a tip.
Good review, although I think I would've used a new target for each type of ammo, so you could compare the group sizes and therefore see if the pistol liked one type of ammo better than another.
Thanks for watching and the feedback and I will keep that in mind when I do another video comparing ammo types. It could be useful info.
Nice review! Interesting concept Kel-Tec used for the design. Would like to see a review after 2k rounds. I like the price. Maybe down the road I'll pick 1 up but right now I'm having fun with my CP33. The thing is a tack driver with a red dot mounted. Also running mini mags with no problem chambering the 1st round. I know some people were having problems with that. I was at 1st but found making sure the 1st round was tilted upward at the front in the magazine fixed that, now after about 2k rounds through it i don't bother checking the 1st round and it chambers fine every time. 👍
Thanks for the kind comments and I will do a longer term review at a later date. Glad to hear you were able to get a CP33, they are a blast to shoot.
@@CraigsGunChannel loving the CP33😁 Thanks!
9/6/23 just bought a P17 on sale for 199 in black free shipping until 9/10/23 . It was hard to find anybody that had stock or the prices were 249 to 279
How is yours running,, mine is only reliable with Blazer..
the first time firing I had problem with the hammer not firing when pulling trigger and not ejecting the shell I used federal auto match@@AzPauly
Mine is a pita to load that 16th round in the mag, i end up putting a dent in the 15th round trying to get that 16th one in.
Then the mag wont lock in on a closed slide, the slide has to be open for the mag to lock in.
Then it won't chamber that 16th round, it jams and gets stuck and i have to remove that 16th round.
Getting 15 rounds in is easy and the mag WILL lock in with a closed slide on 15 rounds and will chamber that 15th round with no problem.
Every 2-3 shots i get a stove pipe on all 3 mags ....
Using CCI AR Tactical 1200 fps 40 grain, you would think it would be strong enough to cycle that slide to eject and extract that round and chamber a new one ... NOPE
Great video.
I have three of them and for the money can't be beat.....
They are a great shooting little gun.
Good review as always, keep them coming.
Thanks, will do!
Good grouping...slight sights adjustment and you have it made.
Mine Rocks!!! I got 3 mags with my gun.
I was able to grab two for $169.99 each. Only complaint was as it gets dirty from shooting. noticed the slide starts to not lock back when empty around after 200 rounds but i was running suppressed and that does make a difference. seems to be just a dirt issue from cheap Ammo. Better Ammo no problem.
Agree it is likely a dirty ammo issue, of course all 22lr runs a little on the dirty side. Also, using the front bushing I could see where it may be more susceptible to slide velocity being impacted by grit and grime. No science behind it just seems likely to me. No real problem, just will need to keep it clean. Thanks for viewing and the comments.
I wondered why you had a picture on your thumbnail of a center-fired bullet with a rim-fired pistol like the KEL-TEC P17 then I realized it was your own symbol/image.
I've looked at them online but yet to see any locally so picked up a Taurus tx22 that's been flawless so far
The Taurus TX22 is a great gun in it's own right. It costs a little more but is a great value itself.
@@CraigsGunChannel I've been very happy with it, can't find the keltec locally
the rear sight is adjustable both ways on P17.
Just finally bought one ... black friday deal at my local store new for $159
I got mine for $179 about 6 months ago, now they are hovering about $199
Great reviews and awesome channel 👍
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Thank you and thanks for subscribing.
Very good
I’ll be gettin mine in two weeks I Kant wait
Good news. I think you will enjoy it.
Great video. I would like to get one myself, but they are "Out Of Stock" everywhere.....
I hear you, right now about everything is out of stock. Keep looking though, they will show up eventually.
Excellent review!!!
AWESOME video , I have been looking for one for 4 months , No one has them ....I do hope sometime soon they get them in stock ?
Thank you for the comment. As far as finding a P17, the reality is even in normal times Keltec products can be hard to find. With the current gun buying situation it will be even more difficult. I wish you luck in finding one soon.
@@CraigsGunChannel Thanks I just keep reminding myself : All good things come to those who wait :-)
@@billsummy2412 Thats what I have to keep telling myself as well... I was lucky to be able to get one as early as I did and feel fortunate I was able to.
Very nice review. Would appreciate a target change between magazines or at least ammo types.
That's a good idea and I should have done that. I will put that into place going forward.Thanks for watching and commenting
From the Kel Tec P17 manual: “Then pull the slide back and SLOWLY follow it forward. It is not recommended that you release the slide on its own force on an empty chamber, as this puts extra stress on the slide and barrel where they contact.” I don’t use the slide release lever to drop the slide with full force on an empty chamber with any firearm.
The gun can't take what it's built to do I don't want it
@@sammyprestwood3182it's called a slide stop, not a slide release for a reason. It's designed exactly as the manufacturer designed it to perform.
I ordered 2 of these in April of 2020. Now, at the end of February 2021, I still don't have them!! I called Kel-Tec to inquire on delays...I ws told that they are working 3 shifts around the clock and can't keep up with demand. I too have been unable to find them anywhere at any price.
Unfortunately, that is true for just about all firearms in the low to mid price range. The only thing you still see often are the high end high cost guns, which many people just cannot afford.
I wonder how P17 would contrast/compare with the HP22A? With the 3 mags, the P17 is getting in HP22A (Single Mag) price range.
I was planning a comparison video with the P17 to the Taurus TX22, I can add in the HP22A as well. Thanks for viewing and commenting.
chuck 2000 no comparison
I own 2 HP22s. They are good firearms if you treat them right, but no comparison to the P17
Nice video! This gun can be dry fired? thanks!
Yes the manual says so
Appears to be a good value for the buck. Thanks for the in depth review.
You are welcome and thanks for watching and commenting.
Great Video!! Very detailed info liked and Subscribed!! If I where to give any feedback it would be to do a few mag dumps during the shooting portion👍
Thanks for watching and subscribing. I appreciate the feedback as well, and we are looking at some ways to make the shooting a little more fun to watch.
Now, if we could just find one available in any store!
Thats almost true now for all guns, but always the case for Keltec.
We bought 2 of these and one has been flawless, the other a complete failure. Its problem is fail to chamber. We tried 6 different types of ammo. Used all six of the magazines we got with the two guns and couldn’t get through a complete magazine without multiple FTC’s. I called the Kel-Tec customer service and they wanted it back. They want to make it right, which I appreciate. We’ll see how it goes. Meanwhile the other one keeps eating ammo.
updates ?
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam Got it back in just over 3 weeks. They basically gave me a new gun, mostly, had a new serial number, and the polished the port. It works well now, but only with 1200fps ammo or faster. I tested with CCI and Aguila Super Extra and it only had a couple of issues that I feel were typical 22cal. ammo issues. I really like this gun and after a few more good runs at the range it should be flawless….other than ammo issues, which you can’t control.
@@1949rangerrick Yea they want high velocity ammo to ensure it kicks the slide back far enough to chamber the next round.
I use only cci mini mags and this gun runs GOOD.
The last time i had an issue was about 3 trips back to the range, i got 2 stove pipes from the same mag but that was out of 200 rounds.
The last 2 trips to the range was about 400 total rounds and all 400 fired.
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam My sons has yet to have a failure. He purchased the slide with the optics and it runs great. That boy has all the luck. The science of the slide is important, that’s why they recommend not attaching optics to a standard slide.
@@1949rangerrick i also purchased that CT red dot slide for my P17 and still, it runs good.
With the oem slide its 14.7 oz and with the red dot slide its 15.1 oz
what happen to the Three mag deal?
As far as I know (I just checked the Keltec website as well) you should still get 3 magazines standardly.
I want one to but cannot seem to find one any where
They are still hard to find, especially in the current market.
... maybe I missed it ... but what was your distance to target ?
We were shooting from 15 yards, I don't think we stated that on the video however.
@@CraigsGunChannel thanks , I've recently picked up a used p17 with very little use but can't hit the broadside of a barn with it... inspection show no faults , but I'm not impressed with the barrel rifleing... maybe I'm just to used to my Ruger's and Browning's... 😁
@@johndeesmith183 Wow, that does not sound good. While I would not expect Ruger/Browning standards, it should still be at a level to be acceptable. On mine I was very happy with the overall accuracy, it sounds like yours must be one that should have failed quality.
SO..... Can we reload with the slide to the rear ? or is this one of those that use the mag to hold the slide open ?
It has an actual slide lock which is activated by the magazine being empty, but it will stay locked back if you remove the magazine so you can reload then release the slide to chamber a new round.
With this now out in the marketplace, and other low cost options for .22lr, why would anyone spend the $$ for a G44? It blows ones 🤯. For me, and what I look for in competent, straight forward presentation CGC is one of the top 3 firearms reviewers on this platform. 👏
Thank you so much for the kind words. I wanted to create a no nonsense honest review channel and it is nice to hear I am on the right track. I agree with your opinion on the G44, there are a lot of options that deliver at a much better price.
Glock must really hate this review!
They probably do. The fact that the very inexpensive P17 performs better than the much more expensive G44 has to bug them. And it really should. With as much time, money and hype they put into it the performance should have been better.
@@CraigsGunChannel agree! Alnfoe a 10 round shooter. Tisk!
Do you dry fire the p17
Occasional dry firing should not hurt it, but I would not do a lot of it. There are some companies that make a dry fire "block" for the P17 if you want to dryfire practice and ensure no harm is done.
What's the difference between cost effective and cheap
Keltec eliminated alot of the costly machining work required to build a fire arm,it's not cheaply made its a simple design that work very good
And... all the KelTec haters still won't believe me when I talk about the reliability. Nothing like cognitive dissonance.
While sometimes the haters do have a point, the P17 seems to be a workhorse and is a great value for the money.
When i went to the gun store to ask about this P17, the sales guy said eww keltec ??
So i rented their Glock 22 and their MP22 compact and both jammed constantly on me on every mag.
Purchased the P17 and she runs strong.
can see ya didn't change the sights any,,,, lots of flyers....
LOL, yeah, sadly, mostly me.
Very much like a guerilla gun made in a peasant's hut in China. Thailand or Vietnam...simple and easy for unskilled workers to fabricate with minimal materials and ability.. but deadly and effective
It does have a bit of that kind of design and feel to it. With that said, I was very surprised with how well it works.
Obviously the windage was not off on this pistol the first shooter was the one shooting to the left not the gun
Some constructive criticism on the video. The break down part of the video was great as were your explanations of how things work and function on the gun. The shooting portion not so much. It was extremely boring trying to watch it. Testing the ammo function off camera would be great and just shooting one may of each kind on camera would be much better. Also varying the shooting style would be better. Remember you are shooting the gun so it’s not prong to you but for us it’s hard to watch just plain staccato shooting. Double taps, mag dumps, all those things give people a better idea of how the gun functions. Food for thought !
Thanks for watching and the feedback. I agree that it gets a little dull just watching someone shoot, I get mixed feedback on it. Some want to see it, some don't. Due to TH-cam policies I will be making some changes so the shooting portion will now be a separate video going forward, and we are working to try to make it a little more dynamic.
Too Hard to Buy as usual out of stock out of stock out of stock
Ugly gun.
Perps don't care