ALIENS Special Edition Commentary with
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- Rob Hill (The Bad Movie Bible) joins me for a commentary to ALIENS.
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For me this is the superior cut for two key reasons:
1. The revelation of her daughters death which adds further depth to the motherhood theme and her relationship with Newt.
2.
"See you Hicks."
"Dwayne. It's Dwayne."
"Ellen."
"Don't be gone long, Ellen."
Do you think they needed Newt’s mum and dad though? Not sure. The auto cannons bit is worthy though. This is pretty much the best film ever made.
@@PaoloLery No, the ideal cut would be a hybrid of the two.
The point about the number of aliens in relation to number of colonists is a pertinent one, and one of the reasons that the sentry gun scenes are so important to the plot. Hadley's Hope has a population of 158, so that's the maximum number of aliens possible (minus at least one for Newt and one for the lady who has been coccooned and dies in the first look at the "hive").
The sentry guns thin that number out SIGNIFICANTLY. This is why Ripley is able to get all the way up to the queen, by the end of the film, without being too bothered by aliens, and even when she burns the eggs, she doesn't get swarmed. There just aren't that many aliens left, really.
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When Rob joins in, GOLD!
love these commentaries! Thanks for doing my favorite movie of all time. I appreciated hearing the movie audio on your end every now and then. Helped me sync up again after picking this back up in the middle. Cheers!
Rob Hill and Tim Patridge. Legendary guests when Oliver re-visits these film Classics. Thanks for this. Keep 'em coming!
I think they got it spot on with having the theater cut and the special edition. I think the theater cut is paced perfectly for an outing to the cinema and makes the most sense for your first watch. After that I think I always prefer the special edition. You can pick up some extra context for some scenes and relationships and if you were curious to see the colony "normal" you get it. Its just more of a great movie for the real fans, with smart additions. When I rewatch it every couple of years, I never want it to end. I feel like the art of the home release cut has been destroyed by people like Snyder who just think it means cram everything on the cutting room floor back in without any restraint to get the biggest number.
I love Aliens more than i do Alien tbh maybe that’s because i love Bill Paxton though.Hudson rocks 👍🏼 ‘Game over man,game over’...RIP Bill Paxton
" What??? Yer gunna put her in charge.....???"
😂
The music at the very start on the ship was from Khachaturian’s ballet Gayane. It had indeed been used in 2001 at the beginning of the Jupiter mission sequence
Horner would use an abridged moment from his Gayanne interpretation in his score for A Beautiful Mind (2001), though you only hear it on the soundtrack CD, not in the film.
Indeed. As a soundtrack fan, I'd assumed Oliver would know that
I saw Aliens first in 2009 and when I finally saw 2001 in 2012, I knew the opening orchestra that kicks off the Jupiter Mission sounded so familiar to the opening of Aliens.
I always assumed Burke politiced Gorman in place for this mission so his inexperience could be blamed for the loss of the team.
Hmmm, maybe, but as Burke was going on the mission and his life depended on experienced Marines to protect him wouldn't he want a good commander?
This. Did he think the Xenos would spare hi or something? He died horribly, precisely because there was no one to protect him.
@@ukmediawarriorBut Burke, like all humans, thinks he is in control. His dominion over all things is practically manifest destiny. He overvalues his knowledge of this situation and his place in society.
"I can't die. I am too important." Kinda thing.
Happens all the time. Both in movies and in life.
Thank you! Love your commentaries together.
I love Robs disdain for the British workers mentality 😂
"Everything in Star Wars that can get explained away by a book can piss off!"
You're goddamn right!
To be fair, the official Dark Horse comics added some amazing lore that explained a few things - e.g. how certain face huggers produced Queen aliens (which Predators would either cull or introduce into hunts) and some oddball stuff like the acid blood making aliens function like organic batteries.
@@jacobturnerart buzz off...
Ello Ollie and chums. Just wanted to say some stuff about Alien War that mentioned here. I haven't watched the documentary you talked about so excuse me if im just repeating what they said.
I grew up in london so was in a prime position to visit Alien War. It was mostly prohibitively expensive, mostly. BUt there were "coupon days" of sorts. I dont remember exactly how we got them, maybe a discount promo in the mirror? I dont recall. Anyway, the end result is that my sister and I would go on to visit the thing many times during it's run.
Entire trocodero basement was set up like an Aliens movie set (pre alien attack, wayland yutani logos on industrailsed set etc) and you would go in with a marine guide with a group of 15 other tourists. They would guide you round and eventually the Alien would show up and you would have to run like hell. The marine would "fire" their pulse rifle (actually just scripted strobe lights in the room with sound effects) to make the alien retreat.
Eventually you have to go down an elevator, which would of course get jammed. The Alien shows up and takes one of the "tourists" (an Alien War actor all along. We went enough times to be able to identify who was gonna get nabbed lol)
You get led out of the complex into safety (in actuality the gift shop and small one-room musuem of movie props. They had a face hugger in the jar and the model of the APC and a pulse rifle among other things)
I remember falling over during one escape directly into an alien egg, my hand went straight through the hollow rubbery prop haha.
It was always so much fun, I always remember just barely being able to retain my hysterical laughter and excitement throughout. Some found it scary, me and my sister just found it hilarious, but not in a mocking way. It was just easy to get caught up in the absolute madness of it.
I remember walking over a metal gang-plank, and you could see Alien eggs below you, shrouded in mist. The marine would warn you not to make a sound, for fear of disturbing the eggs.
Someone once told me they had a (dormant) Queen in that room too, but I call bullshit ...
When the ship blows up and flames everywhere Hudson said "Now what do we do?" Burke say's "let's build a fire " 😂 😅
Vale Roger Corman.... James Cameron started out as a miniature Model Maker at Roger Corman Studios. Cameron was then Art Director for Corman's science-fiction film Battle Beyond the Stars (1980) and production designer for Galaxy of Terror (1981). Bill Paxton also met James Cameron as a carpenter on Galaxy of Terror.
R.I.P. Roger Corman
I was lucky enough to see this in a cinema in 1986. I went to see another movie ( I can’t remember what) sometime before and before it started a trailer for Aliens was shown. Up until that moment I had no idea that Aliens existed and I was not alone as the cinema erupted into a virtual riot! 🥳
The extended cut is by far the superior version, I mean if for no other reason than we get those cool sentry guns, lol. One thing that always confused me a little with Aliens is how the timeline plays out. So Newts family find the ship, dad gets a facehugger, they get back to the colony, then somewhere between that and Gorman and Burke turning up at Ripley's door asking for her help the entire colony gets wiped out ... but no one had time to send an SOS?! All Burke says is that they lost contact.
Now, ok, Burke is maybe lying, we know he instructed the colony to go look for the ship based on Ripley's account, but there is no way an entire colony gets wiped out before they can send detailed messages of what the f**k is going on. And if the Marines have those accounts why wait for Ripley? Get out there double quick in force!!
I think your answer will always boil down to Burke.
He sent the colonists, he knew there was a possible threat, and he quite possibly deleted those S.O.S. messages sent from the colony, and just feigned ignorance the entire time.
They say in the film that it takes ages for messages to get across space, so Hadley’s Hope likely did an SOS. It’s why Newt was surviving for weeks and not just days.
I saw this movie about eight times in the theater. I was sixteen so not quite old enough to get in so I begged,pleaded and cajoled anyone to go with me. My brother worked at a cineplex so I took advantage of that. "I don't have ID but Chris says it's cool."
I just couldn't get enough of it.
Thanks for mentioning Bruno Mattei. My friends and I were always big fans of Strike Commando.😅
Theres a lot of scabby talk coming here from Rob.
I thought the same thing. Kinda gross. He'd like to go back to the days where our lords and bosses could work us til 3am with no breaks. He should move to America, join the rest of the corporate bootlickers.
In my top 5 movies of all time. LET'S ROCK
I love the fruit machine buttons that Ripley presses (complete with 'HOLD' text) to save the day at the end.
The greatest action/horror score of the 80s, R.I.P. James Horner
Listened to this score so many times, definitely one of my favourite soundtracks (even though Horner re-used some of his Trek score)
"I listen while I work" DU DU DUUUU DU DU DU DU D - great job guys!
Made me chuckle, both the logo styling and the music, from the old Golan-Globus bad movies like American Ninja hahaha xD Love it!
Putting a timer onscreen would be Outstanding.
A big “influence” on Avatar was Ursula K Leguin’s “The Word for World Is Forest”
I got this edition for my 15th birthday on release! I was really into Aliens via the comics at the time. Remember being so excited to see the deleted scenes. Good days.
It’s one of my mom’s favorite movies and she got me into it when we got it on VHS in 1989-90. Alien 3 was my first entry to see in the theater when I was 10.
Props to Rob for dropping "recalcitrant" on us.
Always enjoy your videos, Oliver, first class. I remember a friend in school had the Sky Movies cable channel, and he lent me his vhs recording of the Aliens special edition. The extra scenes of Hudson & the sentry gun scenes were great.
Aliens is an INCREDIBLE movie! When the action kicks in and the score starts pumping I always get goosebumps. I love the cast. Even Gorman. Hated Burke. You commentary was hilarious and thoughtful. Great episode!
I firmly believe had the full version been released theatrically in 1986, Sigourney would have won the Oscar rather than just be nominated. The full complexity and arc of her character just isn't there in the theatrical cut. Who the heck remembers **checks notes** Marlie Matlin in Children of a Lesser God?
For me this is the superior cut for two key reasons:
1. The revelation of her daughters death which adds further depth to the motherhood theme and her relationship with Newt.
2.
"See you Hicks."
"Dwayne. It's Dwayne."
"Ellen."
"Don't be gone long, Ellen."
It's the old saying, you tend to always remember who should've won as opposed to who actually did.
God I hate the *checks notes* meme so much. I wish people would stop doing it.
I actually remember pretty well and liked Children of a Lesser God.
I know it wasn't actually on the Special Edition version but i thought they might have mentioned about Burke actually surviving and jumping out on Ripley and wanting her to kill him as he has an Alien inside him and she gives him a grenade to blow himself up with as i have seen this deleted scene on TH-cam
They did mention it :)
Indeed they did, at 1:59:20
2:12:58 😂 Rob bringing the savage facts again and again. Cant wait for Alien 3.
As it reads on Al Matthews' Wikipedia page, he actually was the first black Marine in this specific Divison(the 1st Marine Division) in that specific conflict(Vietnam), that got promoted to the rank of sergeant. But even though this and all his other honors are an outstanding achievement, he is not even by far the actual first black american soldier that got promoted to the rank of sergeant or above.
William Harvey Carney became(almost one century prior to Al Matthews) the actual first black american Soldier that got promoted to the rank of sergeant.
Been waiting for this 😍
These guys don’t really discuss the movie, mostly their feelings about it
@@evilcat7661 I know. I listen to all their commentaries and love everything they do
Oh boy, how excited was I when this popped up, fantastic oli. Thank you very much.
Enjoyed listening to this commentary while playing the movie back in my mind
At least I haven’t heard anyone refer to the first movie as “Aliens 1” in about 15 years. User to hear that a lot.
You guys go together like peanut butter and jelly.
These have become my go to commentaries. You and Rob excel at these. I even managed to get through AVP Requiem!!!!
RIP Bill Paxton
Thanks
Aliens was the first thing i ever saw paul reiser in and later on when i saw him on tv in mad about you i couldnt fathom him being a good guy
Love these kind of commentaries !
Really underrated movie
Personally, i like the "near future" costuming in this film. I like that it isn't distracting. Certainly better than the future fashion speculation we used to get in things like Logan's Run (tho I do love Logan's Run 😅).
This flick had a very limited budget. $17m I believe according to Gale Hurd in the Quadrilogy bonus disc. Also, according the the previous source, it was the studio pushing so hard to get all the shots done for a set release time.
Anyone likes Aliens more than Alien?
I go back and forth. Right now, yes. The only knock I'll give Aliens over Alien is the relative cheapness and cinematography. Alien excels there. But story, characters, dialog, Aliens knocks it out of the park.
Yeah.
Yeah and I LOVE alien. Think it’s one of the greatest sequels ever made alongside T2, Toy Story 2 and a few others
They are such different films and I like them both. But my preference would probably be Alien.
Hmmmmm
I had that "DVD screening" with George of the Jungle being reshown in Dublin last year, was pissed off haha
Masterpiece!
This has all been said before but it should be said again. With the demise of physical media, commentaries have become a rare breed. Even though I've still enjoyed some of them modern movies have become very cookie-cutter in the way they try to entertain. Older movies are the best and though most of them have commentaries anyway, these make a great watch / listen. People who know that they are talking about but are here to have fun. Your ones and Critical's recent coverage of the original Star Trek movies has been great.
What amazes me about the Alien trilogy (the others don’t count) is how little we know about the world it takes place in. All we really know is it’s some time in the future. We are given no details and I never really thought about it until much later in life.
As for Alien Vs Aliens, again I used to say Aliens every time as it was a big feature of my teen years and I didn't watch Alien for ages, but again watching the Alien 4K when it came out I really got to marvel at it. I think in the end they're equal for me, just different types of movies. Probably an age thing. I think you appreciate Alien more when you're older, while Aliens is something that is definitely in the teenage (boys especially) sweet spot.
On the theatrical Vs special edition, it's an interesting one. Since the special edition came out it's all I've ever watched, but in the recent rewatch when the 4k came out, for the first time I did feel the length a bit and while there are some bits of the special edition I love (daughter aspect, gun sentries), the bit showing the colonists, newt's family and the discovery of the ship takes away a lot. The next time I will watch the theatrical, for the first time in ages, just to see what I think of it...
Another mention of aliens by the marines are the Arcturians, and how it doesn't matter if they're male or female when it comes to 'Poontang' 😅
These movies are outstanding actors music horror action etc
some of the early music is adapted from classical...
Love Aliens and all the games. Aliens Fireteam Elite All i need to know is where they are!
9:00 it’s not the same cat, it’s the comedian Sooz Kempner’s cat
worst ever child actor: Sean Connery's son in 'Outland'
James Horner used 2001's music as a reference ("Gayane Ballet Suite (Adagio)" Aram Khachaturian) : th-cam.com/video/O4uOZnao7JM/w-d-xo.html
When i was a 10 year old boy this was the coolest movie ever. When i am a 36 year old man this is the coolest movie ever
I wish the extended versions of films would be the default after they release. LotR, Aliens, Bladerunner, T2, etc are all much more fleshed out in extended cuts.
Do you like the extended cut of T2? The sequences with Michael Biehn and an old Sarah are terrible.
Did you ever buy Rob that copy of Alien Isolation? So many Easter Eggs he’d appreciate
Was the Burke sitcom you were thinking of "My two dads" by any chance?
I think Aliens and Titanic are the best James Cameron movies, and I am a huge James Cameron really like or love all his films but those two movies are masterpieces
Why doesn’t Ripley target and destroy the derelict from orbit before going into hyper sleep?
I appreciate how you mentioned how veteran directors today seem to have lost their way. I was sending a video to a friend of mine about how Steven Spielberg lately seems to be really full of himself and how it shows in his films. I also mentioned that despite that, I was finally going to be watching The Fablemans, because I heard how it was a more personal project, and of course got good ratings (not that ratings mean much, because what a lot of people find good today, I find terrible). I started The Fablemans, and frankly, was already put off by its boring title card, and then the bug-eyed kid and his way overly-enthusiastic parents were putting me off. As the film continued, it became way more cringy and noisy with the kids and the overly-cheery parents. After about twenty minutes, I shut it off. I decided to read the synopsis on Wikipedia to see if I might want to continue, and it just seemed like any other corny coming-of-age drama. I didn't feel like I missed a thing.
The biggest plot hole for me in aliens is how a corporation spending billions on terraforming would miss an easily seen giant spaceship a few kms down the road from where they put their machinery. The film glosses over it but the extended version draws your attention to it which os weird. Also, the film makes it clear that burke is acting on his own, for selfish reasons.
And seeing the colony prior to the attack completely ruins the scenes after, spoils the mystery and slows the film right down.
I agree. Having seen the theatrical version many times before the directors cut was released, seeing the colony before the alien attack, just jarred.
Also, the dialogue on the colony ( before the attack ) is almost the same as Dyson's as he opens the vault at Cyberdyne
Cameron obviously loves the "don't ask" line.
C'mon Rob! Do you really enjoy the taste of corporate boot polish so much? 😊 Support for union tea breaks!
unions just create problems
Well in the official fox cannon the aliens who are shown in the sequel are warrior types with a more portruding carapace while the original alien was a drone which also had the ability to create eggs, more like a lone stalker. While the warriors are more sort of a strike force that abducts people and bring them to the queen for reproduction. Now of course you can disregard all of this if you think the lifecycle from the first movie is completely it’s own thing instead of the hive structure that is employed in the second one. I love both so for me I don’t think they can’t coexist and it is cannon simply because the licensed products have their own types. The videogames of course expand a lot further the different types of the Xenomorphs and so does Ridley Scott since he introduced even more types of Xenos. I guess we all agree that the xenos in resurrection are trash but some designs that have been created are quite cool.
it's just a movie mate
Aliens is one of the top three sequels ever made. It ranks right up there with The Godfather Part II and Terminator 2: Judgment Day. In my opinion, Aliens is the greatest sci-fi film ever made.
Sigourney Weaver shouldve won Best Actress. Together with James Camerons writing and directing, Sigourney gave us one of the greatest, strongest, most iconic female characters in film history. In my opinion, Sigourney Weavers Ellen Ripley is right up there with Vivien Leighs Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With The Wind and Linda Hamiltons Sarah Connor in Terminator 2.
Then they made that horrible atrocity, Alien 3 and ruined everything.
43:43 im in vfx we still are. We sre not unionized and there is a clear difference in the work ethic
Saw it in theaters opening night. No one knew anything about it unlike now. Probably the best theater experience I've ever had and that's from someone who saw the original Star Wars in theaters. Alien 3 was such a disappointment and disaster that it's been downhill for the franchise since then. And yes Horner took some of the Gayane Ballet Suite from 2001 and used it in the film, notably at the start. And genre films have always been popular. Planet of the Apes and others were all popular before this. And of course Star Wars really laid the groundwork for everything like Aliens ECT.
anyone have a link to the AbFab or French and Saunders Aliens parody they talk about this commentary? I cant find anything and it sounds hilarious.
Last time I saw it, it was on BBC iPlayer. There is a trailer for it on TH-cam th-cam.com/video/7BkheOol1P4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sodG9ncx3JYe9XC4
@@OliverHarper oh cool. Even this little bit at least satisfies my hunger. A bit.
I did a fine art degree for 6 months, then my best friend who got me to do the degree committed suicide n I fell into a pretty extreme heroin addiction.
So yeah, don’t go learn fine art
also, university professors are total creeps
Noooooooo not terminator 3! Robocop 2!
Want more Retrospective review..can you get this version of alien online?
The Ghost and the darkness Oliver 🤞🤞
These movies are outstanding actors music horror action etc thats bill paxton on screen without the coward Part.RIP 🇮🇪📽
You´re right about JC and his Avatar Movies. Such a waste of his talent. Sure, keep him as a creative and technical advisor/director, but that should be it. Something new and different would be great. but he wants to stay in pandorra full time...
I'm with Rob. I actually hate the extended cut. I hate Newt's family finding the derelict ship. It slows the film down and gives it an unneeded element that really adds nothing. Her family being the first or her just being a survivior doesnt change the relationship or connection between her and Ripley
Anything that makes the Aliens universe feel smaller or attempts to solve mysteries (or gives humans more of a role than being an unwilling participant) usually leaves me cold or just wondering why. Be it Newts family or the aborted shit with David in Covenant.
What a sad film. or is a great film? because I have this theory.
they make it back to earth. and the company pays ripley to clone her and send her clone to the prison planet with alien queen dna in her because they want it to spread on the prison planet because perhaps they were marked for death and they were pretending otherwise.. or corporate is bad and the real criminal. however either way I assume Ripley just assumed she was being paid for a clone to do basic work to help fight the aliens, not spawn them. but i guess clone ripley got the last laugh :s
Nah according to matt jarbo the avatar fims are all time classic.
I know that I'm in the minority here...but I prefer the theatrical version AND I like the new 4K. Rip me a new butthole, TH-cam Community.
Hi Ollie. Would you be open to a commentary on The Land Before Time? James Horner's music in that, I feel is even better than his Aliens score.
Gravey
Theatrical cut forever! Extended cut never!
Terrible take. Missing two key pieces.
1. The revelation of her daughters death which adds further depth to the motherhood theme and her relationship with Newt.
2.
"See you Hicks."
"Dwayne. It's Dwayne."
"Ellen."
"Don't be gone long, Ellen."
Extended cut minus the Hadley's Hope scene forever!
Meh the corridor guns scene slows things down and looks like stock footage to me. But yeah the colonists are a waste of time
@@SosiskaTheHorrible colonists, Ripley's daughter.. sentry guns.. all kill the rythm of the film
This is it. The last good Alien movie. The franchise is a classic example of how a series can crash and burn. Now there is nothing scary about the Aliens at all. They are simply targets to be killed now. Every other film took the wrong message from the first two films. Only Cameron and Dan O'Bannon knew what to do with the series. As O'Bannon himself said, it's very much an H.P Lovecraft style idea. And with that it's always better never to answer tolo many questions or over explain things like they have done now. It destroys the cosmic mysltery and kills the very idea. Cameron was wise not to copy the first film. Alien 3 should have focused on Hicks and Newt much like the Dark Horse comics did b ack in 89'. Cameron actually talks about setting them up for future fims in the commentary for Aliens. He wanted to do the third film but when they didn't want him to do it he did The Abyss instead,which was a better choice in the end. This is it as far as I'm concerned. Alien is a damaged franchise that should have never been a franchise much like Predator, Terminator,and countless others.
Alien game coming To PSVR 2😁😊😉😉
Alien 3 never happened. It was all a cross dream.
Oh no, those poor multi-millionaire directors. The lazy union workers exercised their hard fought rights. How appalling.