That doesnt do much, just checked my best match where i went 38-0 at 6k mmr, combustion did only 2.4k dmg out of my 82k dmg total. In a normal match it does around 1k, nothing special, its just that people dont build tanky enough against her and she has fast af timing. If u see lina u just gotta pick something tanky and with catch, i prefer magnus on mid for example.
@@geegee163 maybe i'm wrong but... i just think that innate just work great if we use slow burn... since it is count dps too 🤔 But again... that innate only works on enemy player hero (and unit? I haven't tried it yet) 😆
should've put the new innate's description on thumbnail because these are all clearly its works Combustion Every 175 damage Lina does to an enemy hero causes them to overheat, doing damage to their nearby allies. This effect can trigger multiple times off a single instance of damage. Overheated illusions do less damage.
@@urville glad you asked because I also forgot, so I checked the game Combustion Every 175 damage Lina does to an enemy hero causes them to overheat, doing damage to their nearby allies. This effect can trigger multiple times off a single instance of damage. Overheated illusions do less damage. also edited on the comment
I'm so fking tired of people 1st picking Lina mid and winning 80% of the times at my 5.5k mmr due to the fact that her Aghs is straight up broken. No matter match ups, no matter counterpicks. 1st pick. 80% winrate. No kidding. That shit bursts 4k hp Cent with Pipe and that flame cloak neutral like it's nothing.
@@MidaniElden Where is the cap? test it out yourself. Also, Raiper gives 25% spell amp, but somehow for some reason her aghs gives 35% amp??? And you stink that's okay? lol what?
@@MidaniElden you have no idea what's going on in 5-6k bracket, do you? Since I play there, and see this Lina bullshit on daily basis, you are the one capping
Playing at 6.9k, can attest that people first pick Lina and they don't care. Only counter mid could probably be sniper but still Lina just goes jungle and first item aghs will melt anything later on. @@kreshabanga You can't just first pick a hero and never have a bad game no matter what the enemies pick
100% yes! Her laning phase is riddiculus, her burst is probably the highest in the game, she scales well into lategame and she is fast and evasive. At the very least they should nerf her dragon slave. It's insane range and low manacost makes it so she can clear wave after wave while also hitting the enemy standing behind the wave from a mile away. Her early-game or her late-game power needs to be nerfed significantly.
lina now facet can be fully charge trhough all damage it can be stack up, so when you dealing more than 175 damage she does combust 70 damage in max level. So when she does damage 2000 damage or somehow more it can be 800 damage from combust, plus from shard 25 per charge can be up to 12 so it does 300 damage, plus from agh 35% spell damage, plus ethereal magic resist reduce, and combust is aoe so when its 5 in area then lina does her damage it will deal more
Man. In my humble opinion in EVERY of shown case Lina has a team which initiates for her so she has a perfect position and enemy team heroes are close to each other. It's like watch the replay where Sven does a 2-hit rampage and ask yourself: "Hmmmm..... Sven's cleave definetly should be nerfed!!11!1!". If Lina has to be nerfed then not because of incidents like that.
Sven cleave only works in that way when in his ultimate and ultimate has a reasonable cooldown. Lina aghs has a very short cooldown and has a much higher power spike than even sven. Without Deadalus its very difficult to do what you are describing anyway, lina is doing all of this with SPELLS, BASIC SPELLS on a very short cooldown with just her aghs as a FIRST ITEM. For the record, raiper gives 25% spell amp, the max any item can give, the aghs give 35%, as a FIRST item, you are going to melt no matter what as you build and you won't be able to defend against this. You will not have BKB by this point, and unless someone builts pipe as a first item and ACTIVATES it, your team will still die, if you build pipe as first item you are noob anyway. And btw pipe has a higher cd than flame cloak so even that is not gonna help much. Yeah, no no way this is okay.
Man there is a clear problem when that hero deals 1.5k magic damage using two basic spells. No comparison with Sven that is melee and has always been like this. Line just has one of the most stupid aghs and being able to deal that much damage with two items is ridiculous.
@@rickycool6083bruh! We are talking about "cleave" damage from Lina. Not her aghs. If heroes are close within 400 radius she kind of do cleave damage and thats what you are seeing. Nothing to do with aghs. Aghs is only amplifying her damage.
@@RENIZ66void spirit and skywrath can also do that amount of damage magically. PA, Sven, Weaver physically with a single auto attack. Lina's problem is not the amount of damage she does, it's her cooldowns
@@akashP998 Pure Damage is a damage type that is not reduced by Armor or Magic Resistance. It is also not amplified by magical damage amplification abilities, fully ignores Armor and Damage Block.
Yes she should. You can compare her aghs and others heroe's and you will see that basically the only thing her aghs doesnt do is make the enemy ancient explode alone as you buy it, while some others heroes aghs are just bad. Icefrog just wanted her to be picked a lot and that sucks
She has no crazy items and being lvl 20 doesn't guarantee an automatic win against just 3-4 level below lina, so no she needs a nerf and will be nerfed. 4 items? u gonna count boots and kaya as full items? That is not how dota works. Also, she is high level cause aghs way too high a damage spike anyway.
@@rickycool6083Agha and Shard + lvl 20 is almost her peak magic dmg. Only kaya and maybe 15% Spellamp neutral item left. So yes while it is a pretty cool rampage with 1 dragonsalve, its not that op when you consider that she is almost at her peak dmg wise against 6 lvl lower
Been op for a looong time lol Extreme move speed (for free), flight pathing (almost for free), some of the highest magic damage in the game, almost highest physical ranged damage in the game, AOE stun, massive AOE damage, pure damage ult if needed. No need to go further lol. That feeling when
Overgeared, overfarmed hero uses his aoe abilities to finish stacked up 5 low hp heroes that used all their items and abilities. This will work for many heroes and has nothing to do with Lina.
@@rickycool6083 Not overgeared? How much HP is almost full HP? I'm telling you, only look at Lina's level and compare it with the other, plus KDA; you can already tell that Lina is well fed
4-5 levels ahead doesn't mean much, stop looking for excuses to say nerf isn't needed. Her aghs is broken and that is what made her level up anyway. Also, she will be mid so it makes sense she will be higher level. This is dota not lol, 4-5 levels doesn't mean you should be able to solo the entire team, especially in mid game.
@@rickycool6083 Don't know what the whole "this is Dota not lol" blurb is about. Any core hero that's 5 levels ahead of the enemy team, will solo the enemy team. That's literally how it works in Dota, lol. You cannot fight into this much of a level advantage. You put PA, Puck, Alch, AM or whoever the hell in the same spot and the exact same thing happens. And last time I checked, Lina doesn't start the game with Aghs in her inventory. On pro tracker she has a 50% winrate as a pos2, and sub-50% in every other position. Try countering her for a change.
@@harrellt1405 You are big wrong on this, just because something its broken doesnt mean it gets spammed by pros. Something can be broken but not used in the pro scene simply because they know very well how to work around it, also they play as a full cooperating team so that helps too. Lina is currently broken in pretty much all ranks and yes, her aghanim is stright up broken. You can compare how much shit her agha does with other hereoes aghas to see how icefrog straight up decided to do some good old powercreeping and this is sadly what makes dota be shitty at times.
I think the owner of Dota Cinema TH-cam channel is Legend Rank. Or that how I remember him years ago, when I still active watching multiple Dota streamers.
Stop projecting. usually kids who talk like this are real trash herald players, lina being broken is even talked about by divine players so stop this and start using the brain. The aghs is broken and way too high a power spike than any hero in the game.
I still think it is very dumb and stupid for people for pick Lina and build Magic Build, but chose the 1st facet. I mean, look at this video. That facet hasn't even contributed to the kills as she is not hitting them with immense speed! Goddamn if you are building magic, pick the 2nd facet! What the hell are people smoking right now?
lol ur misinformed or what, his shard gives damge based on fiery soul stacks, and her first facet gives her 10-12 souls ( usually 7 max ), when you ulti
@@Edx7yz lol that's like 25 per fiery soul stacks. at max of 12 stacks, that's just like 300 damage. That is a small damage compared to the burn damage done by each skills lina has, 325, 260, 900, from skill 1, skill 2, and ultimate respectively. Plus, that burn facet benefits from the shard as well. It may be 7 stacks at max, but that 175 damage added to the digits above that I mentioned is bigger than the supercharge facet. Also, as seen in the video, Most of them use that Laguna Blade to the very last enemy. So I guess they use that facet for what, nothing? Idk man. Not enough to buy me.
@@Edx7yz Makes sense, given that Slow Burn makes all her skills lower damage for the other damage to be put on the burns itself. Because it's burst, yeah I can see it now. But man, as in the video, some of them use the Supercharge stacks on the very last enemy. They don't really use the 12 stack aghanim's shard buff. Most people use it the wrong way.
Crystal maiden has been nerfed due being Lina's sister
-15 mov speed for Crystal maiden
she basically has an echo slam built in when she damages on a certain treshold
That doesnt do much, just checked my best match where i went 38-0 at 6k mmr, combustion did only 2.4k dmg out of my 82k dmg total. In a normal match it does around 1k, nothing special, its just that people dont build tanky enough against her and she has fast af timing. If u see lina u just gotta pick something tanky and with catch, i prefer magnus on mid for example.
@@geegee163 If 5 enemys close is hit kill, dragon slave can proc 2 in every hero this means 325+90*2*5=1225 damage from skill with 8 sec coldown.
I@@geegee163isn't Magnus horrible on lane against lina?
@@geegee163 maybe i'm wrong but... i just think that innate just work great if we use slow burn... since it is count dps too 🤔
But again... that innate only works on enemy player hero (and unit? I haven't tried it yet) 😆
@@geegee163 ghosh shroud + any other mag resist item and lina cant do anything to you yeah
praised be volvo has listened.
-nerved maiden strentgh gain by 0.5
-maiden -20 move speed
-aura no longer global to promote team play.
should've put the new innate's description on thumbnail because these are all clearly its works
Combustion
Every 175 damage Lina does to an enemy hero causes them to overheat, doing damage to their nearby allies. This effect can trigger multiple times off a single instance of damage. Overheated illusions do less damage.
Should have put the innate name in comment so that people will know, what is it?
@@urville glad you asked because I also forgot, so I checked the game
Combustion
Every 175 damage Lina does to an enemy hero causes them to overheat, doing damage to their nearby allies. This effect can trigger multiple times off a single instance of damage. Overheated illusions do less damage.
also edited on the comment
I'm so fking tired of people 1st picking Lina mid and winning 80% of the times at my 5.5k mmr due to the fact that her Aghs is straight up broken.
No matter match ups, no matter counterpicks.
1st pick. 80% winrate. No kidding.
That shit bursts 4k hp Cent with Pipe and that flame cloak neutral like it's nothing.
stop the cap bro
@@MidaniElden Where is the cap? test it out yourself.
Also, Raiper gives 25% spell amp, but somehow for some reason her aghs gives 35% amp??? And you stink that's okay? lol what?
@@MidaniElden you have no idea what's going on in 5-6k bracket, do you?
Since I play there, and see this Lina bullshit on daily basis, you are the one capping
You are not very good at math are you?
Playing at 6.9k, can attest that people first pick Lina and they don't care. Only counter mid could probably be sniper but still Lina just goes jungle and first item aghs will melt anything later on. @@kreshabanga
You can't just first pick a hero and never have a bad game no matter what the enemies pick
Nerfed or not she gets me all bricked up.
amen brother
you talk sum real shi appreciate that
100% yes! Her laning phase is riddiculus, her burst is probably the highest in the game, she scales well into lategame and she is fast and evasive. At the very least they should nerf her dragon slave. It's insane range and low manacost makes it so she can clear wave after wave while also hitting the enemy standing behind the wave from a mile away. Her early-game or her late-game power needs to be nerfed significantly.
Can't wait for Flame Cloak to be dispelable.
Hell, add in the passive stacks too.
Can someone explain to me how Lina's spells does that much damage? Think that's that facet thing but I don't really understand fully how it works
Shard increase spell damage based on number of fiery stacks, aghs give max stacks on use, facet give more than max stacks when ulting for a duration
lina now facet can be fully charge trhough all damage it can be stack up, so when you dealing more than 175 damage she does combust 70 damage in max level. So when she does damage 2000 damage or somehow more it can be 800 damage from combust, plus from shard 25 per charge can be up to 12 so it does 300 damage, plus from agh 35% spell damage, plus ethereal magic resist reduce, and combust is aoe so when its 5 in area then lina does her damage it will deal more
Lina is like 6 levels above and ten of thousands gold lead, prolly even superior player. What do you expect? It's Smurf clip
@@4bafiafzil999 thats because she snowballs so well because she's OP
Probably the best magic/normal damage hero. Just need decent mana to stack attack speed + damage items with procs.
Man. In my humble opinion in EVERY of shown case Lina has a team which initiates for her so she has a perfect position and enemy team heroes are close to each other. It's like watch the replay where Sven does a 2-hit rampage and ask yourself: "Hmmmm..... Sven's cleave definetly should be nerfed!!11!1!". If Lina has to be nerfed then not because of incidents like that.
Sven cleave only works in that way when in his ultimate and ultimate has a reasonable cooldown. Lina aghs has a very short cooldown and has a much higher power spike than even sven. Without Deadalus its very difficult to do what you are describing anyway, lina is doing all of this with SPELLS, BASIC SPELLS on a very short cooldown with just her aghs as a FIRST ITEM.
For the record, raiper gives 25% spell amp, the max any item can give, the aghs give 35%, as a FIRST item, you are going to melt no matter what as you build and you won't be able to defend against this. You will not have BKB by this point, and unless someone builts pipe as a first item and ACTIVATES it, your team will still die, if you build pipe as first item you are noob anyway. And btw pipe has a higher cd than flame cloak so even that is not gonna help much.
Yeah, no no way this is okay.
Man there is a clear problem when that hero deals 1.5k magic damage using two basic spells. No comparison with Sven that is melee and has always been like this. Line just has one of the most stupid aghs and being able to deal that much damage with two items is ridiculous.
@@rickycool6083bruh! We are talking about "cleave" damage from Lina. Not her aghs. If heroes are close within 400 radius she kind of do cleave damage and thats what you are seeing. Nothing to do with aghs. Aghs is only amplifying her damage.
@@RENIZ66you have not read about Lina's "cleave" damage have you?
@@RENIZ66void spirit and skywrath can also do that amount of damage magically. PA, Sven, Weaver physically with a single auto attack. Lina's problem is not the amount of damage she does, it's her cooldowns
yes, but only when she's on the enemy team
Isn't she nerfed already?
I like her talent before, the pure laguna blade
pure damage laguna but cannot be up by ethereal blade coz ethereal blade only for magic resist reduce
i remmember back then when pure laguna with refresher deleting str hero. fun memory
@@safiqfauzan7329 wait till this guy learns how much pure damage resistance heroes have.
@@akashP998 Pure Damage is a damage type that is not reduced by Armor or Magic Resistance. It is also not amplified by magical damage amplification abilities, fully ignores Armor and Damage Block.
@@tsoruman5216Magic amplification amplifies any type of spell damage even including physical. It's just that some abilities are the the exception.
Yes she should. You can compare her aghs and others heroe's and you will see that basically the only thing her aghs doesnt do is make the enemy ancient explode alone as you buy it, while some others heroes aghs are just bad. Icefrog just wanted her to be picked a lot and that sucks
How? Any explainers?
aghs + shard
no she is just 17/2/5 with lvl 20 and 4 Items + Shard. She doesnt need a nerf
yeah a fat ember can also do those things and get away
She has no crazy items and being lvl 20 doesn't guarantee an automatic win against just 3-4 level below lina, so no she needs a nerf and will be nerfed. 4 items? u gonna count boots and kaya as full items? That is not how dota works.
Also, she is high level cause aghs way too high a damage spike anyway.
@@rickycool6083Agha and Shard + lvl 20 is almost her peak magic dmg. Only kaya and maybe 15% Spellamp neutral item left.
So yes while it is a pretty cool rampage with 1 dragonsalve, its not that op when you consider that she is almost at her peak dmg wise against 6 lvl lower
Been op for a looong time lol
Extreme move speed (for free), flight pathing (almost for free), some of the highest magic damage in the game, almost highest physical ranged damage in the game, AOE stun, massive AOE damage, pure damage ult if needed. No need to go further lol.
That feeling when
what? since when dragon slave is finger of death and her right click is high explosive tank shells?
Never when they are in my team... 4 games today with lina mid today, every game mid lost lane then game...
Title: should Lina be nerfed?
Lina: Hot enough for ya?
yes, nerf it to the ground
Soundtrack plz
Ultimate then First skill = SPELL AMPLIFIER
Overgeared, overfarmed hero uses his aoe abilities to finish stacked up 5 low hp heroes that used all their items and abilities. This will work for many heroes and has nothing to do with Lina.
They are more than half HP and almost full HP, what clip are you even watching? Also over geared? just aghs and kaya is now overgreared? lol
@@rickycool6083 he is capping, probably 1k mmr
@@rickycool6083 Not overgeared? How much HP is almost full HP? I'm telling you, only look at Lina's level and compare it with the other, plus KDA; you can already tell that Lina is well fed
Is it Lina, or is it that she's 5 levels ahead of the enemy heroes in all of these clips?
4-5 levels ahead doesn't mean much, stop looking for excuses to say nerf isn't needed. Her aghs is broken and that is what made her level up anyway. Also, she will be mid so it makes sense she will be higher level.
This is dota not lol, 4-5 levels doesn't mean you should be able to solo the entire team, especially in mid game.
@@rickycool6083if its broken then pros would be spamming it.
@@rickycool6083
Don't know what the whole "this is Dota not lol" blurb is about. Any core hero that's 5 levels ahead of the enemy team, will solo the enemy team.
That's literally how it works in Dota, lol. You cannot fight into this much of a level advantage.
You put PA, Puck, Alch, AM or whoever the hell in the same spot and the exact same thing happens.
And last time I checked, Lina doesn't start the game with Aghs in her inventory.
On pro tracker she has a 50% winrate as a pos2, and sub-50% in every other position.
Try countering her for a change.
5 level difference also comes with item difference. Enemy dont have items to tank her spells either
@@harrellt1405 You are big wrong on this, just because something its broken doesnt mean it gets spammed by pros. Something can be broken but not used in the pro scene simply because they know very well how to work around it, also they play as a full cooperating team so that helps too. Lina is currently broken in pretty much all ranks and yes, her aghanim is stright up broken. You can compare how much shit her agha does with other hereoes aghas to see how icefrog straight up decided to do some good old powercreeping and this is sadly what makes dota be shitty at times.
I haven't played Dota for a while. What's this? Lina from IMBA?
Burn's doesn't?
Are you Legend rank? Cause if so, yeah. I can get why you want her to be nerfed.
Her winrate is enough to prove otherwise.
lore accurate lina
so nerf cm
make her a melee hero
the innate needs to be changed
No, she's totally balanced.
CM should be nerfed tho
Plsss dont nerf lina she has beenshyt for a very long time
No need to be nerf, gabe should be nerf
lol, lina just lv20 when enymy still about 13 14. What u expect?
that is a no brainer dota has become an absolute joke since 2020
she can fly she can 1 shot just remove from game
Her 2nd skill talent tree needs to get nerf that's damn nuke dmg, her first skill and laguna i think its fine
Wow. This damage
Worst update for Doto ever
don't nerf she bring me to IMMORTAL rank 😘😘😗
when i face lina in midlande i stop trying actually she is an op hero need little nerf just little
ye
holy shit what the F
Doesn't need a nerf, just stop being a Herald gamer with zero skill.
I think the owner of Dota Cinema TH-cam channel is Legend Rank. Or that how I remember him years ago, when I still active watching multiple Dota streamers.
i think lina players are trash op
Stop projecting. usually kids who talk like this are real trash herald players, lina being broken is even talked about by divine players so stop this and start using the brain. The aghs is broken and way too high a power spike than any hero in the game.
so suck hero
my last gaame lose because lina picker
hahaha rampage with Q
pick lina = nub
I still think it is very dumb and stupid for people for pick Lina and build Magic Build, but chose the 1st facet. I mean, look at this video. That facet hasn't even contributed to the kills as she is not hitting them with immense speed! Goddamn if you are building magic, pick the 2nd facet! What the hell are people smoking right now?
lol ur misinformed or what, his shard gives damge based on fiery soul stacks, and her first facet gives her 10-12 souls ( usually 7 max ), when you ulti
@@Edx7yz lol that's like 25 per fiery soul stacks. at max of 12 stacks, that's just like 300 damage. That is a small damage compared to the burn damage done by each skills lina has, 325, 260, 900, from skill 1, skill 2, and ultimate respectively. Plus, that burn facet benefits from the shard as well. It may be 7 stacks at max, but that 175 damage added to the digits above that I mentioned is bigger than the supercharge facet. Also, as seen in the video, Most of them use that Laguna Blade to the very last enemy. So I guess they use that facet for what, nothing? Idk man. Not enough to buy me.
@@blitzwhitz5949 it's better because it's burst, most of thr time the burn damage is dispelled, also irs 300 damage per ability
@@Edx7yz Makes sense, given that Slow Burn makes all her skills lower damage for the other damage to be put on the burns itself. Because it's burst, yeah I can see it now. But man, as in the video, some of them use the Supercharge stacks on the very last enemy. They don't really use the 12 stack aghanim's shard buff. Most people use it the wrong way.
Without even watching the video, I can tell you the answer is: *YES*