Graham Norton Discovers Family Came From Yorkshire! | Who Do You Think You Are
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Graham Norton - or Graham William Walker, as he was born - left Ireland when he was young and hasn't looked back - until now. He always felt out of place, growing up in a small Protestant family in the predominantly Catholic south of Ireland. But he now admits that he feels drawn to the country, and wonders if his discoveries might change his view of Ireland. There is only one way to find out.
Graham begins his journey on the trail of his great grandmother, Mary. On her daughter's birth certificate, she is listed as Mary Reynolds, formerly Dooey. But a handwritten document in his mother's possession tells Graham that there was some confusion over her name, and that she was also known as Mary Logan. There is a mystery here. Was there something to hide?
Graham tracks down Mary's marriage certificate of 1895, where she is listed as Mary Logan. No father's name is provided, suggesting that Mary was illegitimate. From baptism records of Mary's children, Graham realises that she must have been eight months' pregnant at the time of her wedding - and recognises the shame that this held in her society. Graham also locates Mary's own baptism record, where she is Mary Jane Logan. So where does Dooey come from? The answer is nestled in the baptism records of one of Mary's siblings, where the father was listed as Fred Dooey, but the name has been scratched out. It is very likely that Fred Dooey was Mary's father, but was not married to her mother when the children were born. Thus Graham has solved the mystery of the Dooey name, and recognises how unusual it was for Mary's mother to have produced four children out of wedlock - and to remain living in the same community throughout. Her 'misdemeanours' must therefore have been accepted, and Graham is pleased to see it.
Graham then turns his attention to his southern Irish Protestant roots, hoping to discover how far back they go. His paternal grandfather, George Walker, was sexton of the Protestant church in Carnew. Land valuation records reveal that George's father was William (and his grandfather Joseph) and was a tenant of the Fitzwilliam Estate - in other words, he was linked to English Protestant planters. Joseph was a pillar of the Protestant community - vestry minutes at Carnew show that he was a churchwarden, which meant that he had the right to levy taxes from Protestants and Catholics alike for the upkeep of the Protestant Church of Ireland.
Still hot on the trail, Graham uses parish records and the Fitzwilliam estate papers to push the family back another three generations, including Thomas, who lived in Carnew through the Irish Rebellion of 1798, when the town was a royalist stronghold, and Carnew Castle the scene of a famous massacre of Catholics. The records show that a certain John Walker, almost certainly a relation, was shot and piked whilst fighting for the royalist cause.
But Graham has still more to discover. With the help of the Fitzwilliam Estate Papers, Hearth Tax records and baptism registers, he is able to trace his first ancestor who went from Yorkshire to Ireland - in about 1713.
And so, although surprised to be a Yorkshireman, Graham declares that he is comforted that his family have resided in Ireland for so many generations and pleased to be rooted so deeply in history.
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now we know how Jane Austen came up with Fitzswilliam and Wentworth for her books
I can understand why people worry about ancient paper but as someone that has worked in archives and museums. Relax! Clean and washed hands are much safer than any gloves since gloves decreases your sense of feeling .So you’re more likely to tear the paper with gloves, especially cotton gloves since they snag in paper. After all these documents are and still are meant to be read! Paper is quite sturdy so set your fears aside!
Very true. It's the storage of these books that will determine their lifespan, not a little bit of human contact.
The baptism records book doesn't even look like it's on paper; I'd guess it's something more like legal parchment. And for the people following along at home who don't know about parchments - they're like a very thin leather, and can last for thousands of years in the right conditions. Hundreds, even in middling conditions. When the camera zooms in close you can see the little rough fuzzy bits across its surface - those are from where the surface has been scraped down to get it thin enough to bind into a book. Assuming it is parchment, of course.
They want us to wear gloves,because of dirt etc. We have moisture on our hands,and it's to protect the paper.
@@paulinehignett1202 Wow, thanks for contributing.
He didn't get achoice. If you have watched a number of these, usually in the larger archives if you want to see the originals wear the gloves (think we are going through something similar with masks!) The vicar? said, they (the gloves) are given us by the Archives (or similar wording). The reason the gloves are cotton is to absorb skin oils, sweat which contains salt, etc which would affect paper over time, or the inks etc. [I once painted, hot day outside could not get paint to flow - took me ages to realise the oil from sun tan lotion on hands had been spread to paper - just because you don't see it doesn't mean it is not there]
A Yorkshire man who would have guessed his ancestors left and a few generations later he's back . The truth is that history especially family history seldom is a straight line it's often a much twisted road !
Would be amazing to find a Sky Walker in your family tree. "I am your great great grandfather..."
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Graham looks just like his grandfather Walker, I love watching this show and I love finding out about family . I'm working on my family tree now it's so interesting.
It's so funny when the fellow said he didn't have Graham down as a Yorkshireman and when Graham laughed at the idea that a book was printed about the Hearth Taxes. 😂
Its amazing to follow your family history. So enjoyed this programme.
Love graham. He’s a sweet man.
1730 - it kills me to see them handle such ancient, irreplaceable books & documents without protective cotton gloves.
I have appreciated Graham’s work for a long time now. This is a whole other side of Graham that I am really enjoying getting to know.
I live in the USA; I am a citizen although I wasn’t born here. I can’t even imagine getting 400 years of family history and detail.
You have every right to feel VERY Irish Graham!
They have found that wearing the cotton gloves can actually cause more damage. Their fibers can catch in cracks in the parchment, lift off pigment and inks and can make the hands sweat that might penetrate the gloves and get on the paper. You also don’t get a good sense of how frail the parchment/paper actually is so you might unknowingly cause more damage.
It was nice seeing this side of Graham.
I always felt sorry for Graham and his struggle with his identity. Of course Graham is Irish. He was born in Ireland and his family had been here for generations. My grandmother's side were originally Church of Ireland protestants just like Graham's. They had come to Ireland during the Norman invasion in 1176. I have traced my grandmother's side confidently back to 1720 to my 7th great-grandfather. I was extremely lucky, as getting back to even the late 1700's in Irish genealogy is a challenge. I'm lucky enough in that my city has long and extensive record keeping.
I get the sense that with age, Graham was more willing to accept his Irish identity. Especially when he moved to England.
I get the total opposite from this. It feels like he’s much more comfortable and also rather proud of his English heritage. At peace. Fair play to the bloke he has nothing to be ashamed of, it’s all a part of history and it’s pretty incredible he is able to looks so far back.
That drawing of the soldiers burning a family out of their home is pretty awful. One soldier near the door has a little girl on the end of his pike while other family members are trying to desperately get out of the burning home.
Too bad they didn’t dig further into Dooey
They may have, but didn't want it put on camera, to embarrassed the Dooey family. They may have been in an adulterous relationship.
The Walker side always had English roots - but what about the Logan/Dooey side from the North?
Were they originally Gaelic Irish who converted OR possibly Anglo-Norman or Scottish in origin? Or a mix of all of them?
Too many questions left unanswered
My guess, a mix of them all. Even his fathers side was a most likely a mix. He traced the paternal Walker line to Yorkshire, but that is just one branch out of many different branches his father had
Would've als o loved more about them. If there's records further back. Unmarried women gives birth 4 times, what are her roots?
@@stephjovi exactly - too many unexplored ancestral roots.
Probably also English since they were protestants
@@susanaaragorn8606 a significant number of native Irish also converted to Protestantism after the English Policies restricted Catholics from many jobs and benefits.
Beautiful writing
My Irish ancestors just decided to „get along“ in the New World. It was too hard too survive apart. We are Protestant and Catholic and happy to have each other. We only compete at Christmas, when, sadly, the Catholic side almost always wins the home decoration contest. No sense of thrift on that side... 🤣🤣🤣. btw, we are also Walkers 😌. I just want to say... we all go back to the beginning of mankind. With an estimated 10-15 percent of babies not genetically related to their „fathers,“ the vast majority of us are not who the records say we are. Rejoice in the fact that you have been given a culture, a context. All the rest is supposition (or a milkman, postman, barman, pastor, neighbor, owner, landlord or passerby). It is human. and often a tiny bit neanderthal...
I went to school in Carnew I am amazed by this and I love Graham as a presenter he is brilliant I only heard bout this the other day so I looked it up
Graham has been very lucky to have traced his family so far back!
Music at the end is amazing.. wish I knew what it was or was it specially made for the show?
Given that Graham's job as an interviewer/talk show host (whom I adore mostly) is involved in getting famous folk comfortable for spilling the beans, this particular segment makes me think he's happiest to do that because his family had so many outsider/dark secrets. It makes the Irish-English conflict resonate down to create someone who rebels against all the secrets.
Thank you for posting all of these stories. Maybe I'm missing something. Is there a way to view these segments in order?
Yes. Live in GB and hope BBC republish it some day 😭
I find that they are recommended to me in order.
Go to the playlists, select a person and they will play in order. :)
I'd bet if they'd wanted to, they could've gone back to the 1400s for the Walkers in that area, or even farther back. I'm amazed at how well the English have kept a lot of relatively _detailed_ records, unlike in the US. In my own ancestral research, I'm so upset that I've seen documents where information wasn't asked for or written down in the US, and it's been a real hindrance.
Unless indigenous do Americans even have records dating back that far? I'd have thought such recent history would be better recorded than that
Yes me too
We all want our ancestors to have been on the side of the 'freedom fighters`. There is something romantic to think there are rebels in one's far past. As a Bruce I can admit that the behaviour of the Elgins around the world, despite Robert the Bruce, make ancestor worship problematic to say the least!
I feel,in most cases of familyhistory , tangled up in clashes of any type , its a matter of survival and or a sense of honor/loyalty. Our family histories are of immeasurable value ,to our sense of belonging, pride ,place in the bigger picture of all of human histories .Its a tragedy that is manifesting its negative effect on societies all across our planet .The upheaval of war ,natural catastrophe and its residual famine, outbreaks of disease etc ,we ourselves have witnessed. My thought is , without being connected ,without a true picture of ones own history and how "ancestors" survived their own life threatening situations, we have nothing to face these challenges with and have to hope for the best .in the deep past ,these family stories would have prepared us with our family wisdom as a map to navigate with.
My views are maybe farfetched or simplistic,i am not an educated person . Yet in my defense, sometimes simple is so obvious,that we never see it .Just a thought ....✌️🙊🙉🙈😁
That’s crazy
Raising a glass to Graham.
of johnnie walker perchance?
I have been in Carnew Castle years ago, invited by the then owner (privately owned and not open to public) it's quite a building!
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Amazing to go back to the 1600s with your paternal search from Ireland to England.
Wonder if Norton has ALWAYS been a surname in Ireland/England? My Dad & Grandad have Norton as their 1st names. Their family history is to take Mum's maiden name as the son's 2nd name ie. Dad - Norton Baker, Grandad - Norton Chester. Curious, as Dad says his family came to America from England.
His real name is Graham William Walker. Norton is not his real name.
@@harisadu8998 Norton is his one of his great grandmothers maiden names
Norton is an English name- but Irish names have often been anglicised to Norton, Harrington, etc.
William Norton was the deputy prime minister (Tánaiste) of Ireland in the 1950s.
I think Graham Norton got a small taste of what’s it’s like to be American. Meaning, blood is more important than the land your family came from.
You know you’re American, but your bloodline tells you something else.
He knows he’s Irish, but his bloodline says England.
This is cool.
Perhaps his greatxgranny with the several children was in love with a catholic man... maybe thats why they did not marry - one family might have objected. I would have been so curious to follow that man's history just a little to figure out who he was...
Agreed! I was like Research the Dooleys! You aren’t done yet!
Wondered why Fred Dooey was not pursued to possibly find out why he did not marry, yet continued to have children with Graham’s great-grandmother.
5:35 Look at the line below 👀
I’m fascinated, every time I have handled documents that are very old, I have been made to wear gloves.
They say you're not supposed to now, as apparently the collective wisdom is you won't handle them as roughly, if you are able to feel how hard you are pressing against the paper, as the gloves have a numbing effect on your sensitive finger tips. Graham clearly only read the first page of the memo.
This is one of several hundred ancestors back then.
There were many skeletons under cupboard for every English,Scottish or Irish family if you poke old church records!.
Hankypanky was going on all the time!
The English are very well aware of their dark history even if they don't want to openly admit it due to shame. The Scots are oblivious. It is the Scots who need to look back and learn who their ancestors were and what they did.
Great lol, hope I don’t have a British dark history lol. I’m a third generation Australian with my ancestors from England Ireland and Scotland. My paternal grandmother’s father came to Australia from Coventry UK, for the gold. He ended up in Parliament here in Melbourne, he was the minister of Mines when the largest Gold nugget, The Welcome Stranger Nugget was found. His name is in the monument, Henry Foster MLA. Henry met and married an Irish girl who’d arrived in Aus mid 1800s, she was Elisabeth Cunningham. They had Georgina my grandmother, who married Charles Stuart, my grandfather from Scotland and they had my dad, so I was born a Stuart - Any relatives reading this lol.? My sister has recently finished a uni course in Genealogy and Anthropology, I just pinch her info lol. But on my mother’s side, mum was born a Williams which is her father’s surname but my grandmother’s surname is Geoffrey and we can’t find any relatives anywhere. I have her christening mug. Grace Amelia Geoffrey March 1885. No, she was born in 1885. Must check the inscription.She didn’t pass away until after I was married with my first child, she lived a long, busy and happy life, but as for finding any Geoffrey descendants anywhere, we’ve come to a dead end, mystery prevails in England somewhere. She was born in Australia as well, her father emigrated to Aus. My sister and I should have gone over to the UK in our younger days. So if any of my British rellies are out there - Hellooo 👋 😁
Be careful what u look for my mom found out my grandparents were bigamist ie grandfather
Oh dear
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I bet he has Gravy on everything now!
Medieval internet
There's a William Walker and above his name is Luke Stafford. You almost have Luke Skywalker, Graham. 😲
Skins arrange what do them good. Year 1895. Calvin willard logan glass
142 numerical places is count to i am again. Pi or math nails etc. Exact incarnates awaited to comfort and solve riddles. Clean paints and worstens
I'm surprised they don't wear gloves when handling the old books.
A lot of them are not the original but covers or copies of the originals. Fear not, historian hold history in the the most delicate regard.
@@paulofarrell6277 That sure looks like the ratty old original to me, but you could be right.
Rip paul walker
Well, coming from Yorkshire does explain the homosexuality.
John walker should have stayed at home with his religious beliefs
But he didn't and not much we can do about it 300 years later.
So the Walkers were involved in the massacre of native Irish . He is in the wrong side of history here yes .
'That time and history has deemed to be wrong?' Are you seriously not acknowledging the wrongness of these yeomanry? ??
that isn't what he meant. History sides with the winner. That is what he meant. Atrocities are committed on both sides of every war.
@@fenzirulfr The winners weren't the Republican Irish though, were they? The Walkers enjoyed their privileges for generations after 1798.
@Liza D,
Yeah, I was thinking that. . . Also, don't a lot of people on this show have ancestors born out of wedlock, especially in the UK? I wonder about that.
@@floraposteschild4184 You do know those Republican Irishmen are the descendants of the peoples who migrated from Iberia and quite literally wiped out the native beaker population of Ireland. Their only claim to the land is that they surplanted the Beaker people after migrating to it.
The idea that it was always theirs is historically inaccurate.
@@davetdowell To talk about being indigenous is only meaningful in the context of colonial settlement like for example 17th century Ireland. I don't see how ancient history is relevant here.
New irish? I think his ancestors were English colonizers that is why they fought agains the independence. Or do they converted to protestantism? History is history, but I think they should not excuse the atrocities that the british did in Ireland.
That's right Graham, give that precious ancient and fragile document a really hard poke and press with your finger
Walker and Logan are Scottish names..NOT
Irish or English
Walker is an English surname.
Logan is indeed Scottish, but Walker is more English than Scottish. People forget the Plantations were made up of Northern English as well as lowland Scots. Ulster Scots and Scots Irish is a misnomer.
ALBA GU BRATH!
Not a massive shock that he's from English decent. Given his surname is English and a protestant living in Ireland.
I was a bit surprised that the family wasn't from Northern Ireland, then moved to Ireland. I can understand why Graham left. Most of the Irishish dont like Graham very much.
In denial about a thoroughly bad individual. Own it all Graham and leave of the rose tinted goggles. It is what it is....
I'm neither English nor Irish so I don't have a dog in the fight, but he isn't Irish. He's English.
Maybe you don’t have a right to dictate that.
He was born and raised in Ireland, as were several generations before him. He is Irish.