Listing the rules would hold TH-cam accountable for their moderation, so they'll never do it. Too many pocket tyrants working for them moderating out of personal biases; they could never stick to an actual rule set day to day.
If people knew how to follow rules then TH-cam would have to pay the people who create content on their platform. TH-cam trying real hard to get as much free labour as possible
The English actually used to do this. People would be arrested and interrogated and denied due process at the whim of the monarchy. It was our founding fathers’ motivation for creating the sixth amendment, whereby you are guaranteed to an indictment (being told what crime you are being accused) followed by a speedy trial
Shoutout to Ian for recutting this and not taking the easy way out and just deleting the original video. This content is a gift to future generations of engineers and enthusiasts.
@@meme4one Was filmed at a auction house so any talk of it was taken out and the logo of the auction house was replace by the brown blank area you see.
@@asmo1313 that’s the thing, the current policy’s that we know of right now would only allow you to teach someone about the gun but not how to safely operate it.
I'm sorry. I'm from Germany and we have REALLY tough gun laws. But even I find that just ridiculous. Thanks to Ian for taking it upon himself to edit the videos. Otherwise so many cool, historical weapons and stories would be lost. My greatest respect!
It's going to get even worse...I heard they plan to change the Gun law maybe prohibiting everything except air guns. I know it sounds crazy but yout get what you vote for. Green Agenda and Transhumane parties running your country. Greetings from Switzerland.
It's not about the gun. It's about RIA. I just compared the recut vs the original ( HQpMpWYefyw ) and the only content removed is the RIA related stuff at the beginning and the ending.
Its understandable how people blame TH-cam but in reality this is not TH-cams fault. TH-cam is a free to use service and the way they make money is through advertising. Advertisers are very concerned about about their image and therefore they are very careful about where their ads are shown and guns are one of those contested topics, advertisers don't want their ads to be shown in gun related videos. TH-cam must cater to the advertisers because if they don't the advertisers flee and TH-cam doesn't get any money. If TH-cam doesn't get money from ads they must get it from elsewhere and the easiest way would be to make TH-cam a subscription based service instead of free to use. I still prefer TH-cam to be free to use instead of having to pay a monthly subscription.
If auction houses have to be censored that's going to mean 90% of the FW videos, including the coolest and rarest guns, are going to have to be heavily edited or removed. Tell me this isn't what's happening here??
@@HarveyDangerLurkerYeah, it was RIA. IIRC, at first it was just TH-cam not liking direct links to auction houses and other gun-related stores in video descriptions and the like, so it was down to them being mentioned in the video itself (e.g. "X is being sold over at Y, go check it out if interested"), but now apparently just showing an auction houses logo is a no-no...
@@anthonyhiles4253 it's funny because I know the exact type of construction of building that makes a door hinge squeal like that and an echo ring down the hallway like that. It's a standard government contract building, cinder block walls, linoleum floors, acoustic tile ceilings and fluorescent lights. Metal doors, steel or brass hinges and deadbolts. Probably 40s or 50s era Construction. Basically every Public School and Town Hall in North America fits that description.
@@anthonyhiles4253 my coastal city has a maritime museum that supposedly haunted and it's built exactly like that, and as a kid in Scouts we camped out there for a night. And all the doors sounded exactly like that. I'm honestly surprised that the parent Liaisons didn't try and spook us or prank also, it would have been extremely easy in those circumstances. :P
literally started scrolling to the comments right after hearing it, only to find that hardly anybody is mentioning it because there is so much to talk about with this one :) Gun Jesus be with you ➕ ➕
The man is strong. I would have done the lazy/easy thing, and left the original on Utreon... free of the nonsense, ever-changing, supersecret, superstitious, crypto-mystical rules they have here. "Unclean gun video! Unclean! UNCLEAN!" There will come a time when it won't be worth it anymore, even for Ian. Get ready.
@@LD-Orbs I already dread the day and hour But I acknowledge how tiresome it is to feel as one constantly swim counter to the current, so to speak. We can only hope we manage to turn the tide (and or current) before it's too late to stop us from going under.
@@LD-Orbsalso it is worth it to keep the originals and not comply the reason they keep enforcing more and more "rules"/"laws" is because we dont show them we dont careand just do it anyway instead and follow the "rules" or whatever that will never get us anywhere
yes every time they change the rules the old videos get retro-actively checked and flagged. They have never ever told why anything is demonetized or hidden, it's always a "community guidelines violation"
Not deleting,. Just demonitizing, thus making them invisible to most people. But yeah TH-cam made new rules, applied them retroactively and didn't tell anyone what they are. My guess is they're tryna save some money and decided to screw over creators
because they pretty much have a monopoly on internet videos market. Just like Microsoft has monopoly on operating systems, Facebook Monopoly on social media and Adobe on graphics software. they don't have to care and they won't until a serious competitor apears. they know no matter what they pull off we will still stay with them and put up with their shenanigans. It's a general rule and applies to all business.
Thanks Ian for fighting the good fight. This is history and should be preserved. It's awful that YT is making it so hard for you, but I do think there is value in trying to keep as much of your content on YT as possible due to the audience reach it has. That said, it's probably about time I make the switch to a more open content platform to consume.
I was amazed the first time I watched, and am still amazed, that this man's response to not having a shotgun is to make one. "I'm not borrowing a gun and I'm not making the trip to Sears. I'm a gunsmith and I'll procure my own shotgun."
2:56 I love that the part of the video that sounds like he was either going to get scammed, or make a terrible business decision that put the company out of business, was actually leading up to how he became so successful that he no longer had time for his oddball pet project.
As an avid trapshooter for over 50 years, I had the pleasure of meeting Al and son Joe back in the 60’s and 70’s at the Grand American in Vandalia Ohio. Although the Spacegun didn’t take off, the Monogun was well sought after. It was a beautifully built piece and was often seen on the firing line. Your mention of the release trigger is interesting. It primarily came into popularity to midigate the effects of flinching. Most with this condition would jerk terribly when trying to pull the trigger and not allow them to actually pull the trigger resulting in a missed target. A release trigger did not cure a flinch, but when you did, the jerk would bring your finger off the trigger at the right time usually resulting in a broken target.
Eventually their 301 protection will be taken away and the lawyers will take them down. Class actions out the wazoo. The days of curated social media content are numbered.
At 1st glance it looks so incredibly simplistic. Once its explained how it works and why, it becomes a well thought out somewhat elegant design. I remember when these were introduced and they were very expensive and strange looking but now I understand what made them not only unique but also ingenious
@@jic1 No, didnt mean to imply crude. They were very well made shotguns. Just simple as in very little complexity. However, I later learned there is much more going on than what you can see without handling it.
I’m an NSSA shooter, and you see release triggers from time to time. The purpose is to correct flinch when pulling the trigger. Personally, I think they’re unsafe. The procedure for a “no-bird” is to point the gun down range and shoot the round since there’s no way to release the trigger without firing.
Release triggers show up a lot in the trap world. On a break open shotgun, it is very easy to clear the gun after you set the trigger. You simply use your non-trigger hand to operate the barrel release lever. This lets the barrel pivot out of the way of the firing pin. You can then release the trigger as the firing pin won't contact the shell. On a semi-auto shotgun, I think they are very unsafe.
How is firing the gun downrange in the direction you would be shooting anyway unsafe? I'm not a fan of release triggers in the least but understand why some people need them to continue in the sport they love. On break open guns you simply open the action and then release the trigger, with some pumps and semi autos applying the safety will reset the trigger a few have a separate lever to reset and some you have the choice of awkwardly ejecting the round or just firing the round downrange in a safe manner. The only sport I've competed in the allows release triggers is American Trap which only allows one round to be in the gun.
@CCW1911 Consider how limited your options become if a person were to unexpectedly be found down range. That pretty much leaves you with keeping the trigger depressed, which keeps the gun about as unsafe as possible, firing upwards, firing downwards or firing around the person.
@@webby2275 Have you ever been on a trap range? People don't wonder out on a trap range, well ok maybe an alien space craft makes an emergency landing on the trap field you got me with that one.
A dear, late friend with whom I shot Trap in Hawaii in the '70's ordered a Ljutic single shot Trap gun with a release trigger. It took some getting used to...😊
I had the pleasure of meeting Al in Reno during the mid 80s. He let me shoot one of his Space Guns. I was shooting a Mod 99 Winchester, another single shotgun. And yes, the Space Gun did have a much less felt recoil.
I have always wanted this gun....what a work of art and as Ian took it apart I was struck by the genius simplicity of the design...neither over-engineered nor under-engineered it's ...just right! Thanks, Ian!
I think we need a explanation video, because it looks looks like the edit that was done was to remove any mention of Rock Island Auction from the video.
Even a gun that was sold a couple of years ago...YT just gets more and more lame... I think I'll go to the range today instead of wasting my time on YT...
In the old video he explained how you could bid on this rifle at the auction, which is obviously irrelevant at this point, but YT doesn't like anything related to selling firearms so Ian has a humungous amount of work ahead of him editing all the videos he did at auction houses over the years.
Loved this the first time round, enjoyed rewatching it. Farquar-Hill?!? Was the first Forgotten Weapons video I saw, I hope Ian will revisit that one day.
If you're referring to the Farquahar-Hill, he has the original from over a decade ago and one from...a few years back? He looked at it in a series from the Royal Armories Collection, and had two different rifles to compare to, showing development on both.
Mine I think was the Von Stiegler self ejecting, fell in love with his format and was introduced to a really neat type of firearm that I was unaware of
Imagine being the kind of badass to say, "Oh shit, I don't have a shotgun to bring... oh well, I'll just make one" and come out with something that isn't just a 4-winds.
Well, one upside of you having to repost these is that I get them popping up in my recommended and I have never seen a lot of them. I will make sure to like all the new ones I see so more people can see them.
Something I've always enjoyed about this channel, especially as someone left of center, is that it's remained pretty apolitical in comparison to a lot of other channels that talk about firearms history and technology. It's such a shame seeing TH-cam policies making it more difficult for this kind of content to succeed, especially since it's pretty completely benign and a breath of fresh air in terms of how people talk about the subject.
@@cassiedoesmusic2606 "I like the second amendment I just don't support the first" This is the same thing the people who doxxed admin said, this is why leftists are never welcome to the 2A community. You support the system's war against dissidents whenever violence happens but instead of disarmament you push censorship with the same talking points.
Ian, Many lifetimes gone, I shot skeet at the Oak Tree Gun Club in Southern California. Of course trap was the big draw and I actually shot a round or two but skeet was my game. But I digress. On several occasions I saw not one but two Ljutic Spaceguns in the gun racks. Always during trap tournaments. They were a can’t miss item! Interestingly, the gentlemen who owned said shotguns were only mediocre gunners at best. Once I witnessed an informal round of trap where the gentleman using the space gun was not the owner. In four rounds he scored 100 out of 100. Sometimes a good gun just needs to be in the right hands. Those shotguns were strange to behold yet strikingly handsome at the same time. Your specimen is very easy on the eyes. And in the intervening years it has grown significantly less strange. Thank you for a walk down memory lane. Or would it be a trip down the rabbit hole? Keep the aspidistra flying! God bless, Paul
Years ago I went to the local range for a little skeet. The guy next to me had a Spacegun. I was so distracted looking at it that I forgot to load up a couple of times! After the session, the owner held the Spacegun while I looked it over. I was impressed and have watched for one to become available. Alas, so far I've failed.
@@berbtheherb perhaps some elements, but remember that it is built off the MG-34 like the DLT-19s were in the Original Trilogy Be me still waiting for Ian to do a Star Wars series of fogortten weapons 💀
I originally saw the Ljutic Space Gun in the 1960s, in Gun Digest catalogue section. It always intrigued me, it looked like a Factory made version of the PI Guerilla Gun. This FW has explained well the principles of action of this SG, nice to know. DocAV
Gun canes are friggin dangerous, cos they are often over a hundred old. There was one at an auction here in the UK, and it went off cos no one had checked it.
@@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477 It was in an auction room, it was listed as a walking cane not a gun cane, someone picked it up, if you tilt them the trigger comes out and then can be pulled. someone picked it up and pressed it. was in the local paper. same as sword canes. I think they banned those things.
That is a lot like a sprung sliding pipe gun that I didn't build a decade ago... It's a boom-tube, and I have not really had a need for sights, general proximity point & click is enough.
Interesting trip down memory lane seeing the Space Gun and hearing about Al Ljutic. Al was a very mercurial character whose antics spawned many trap range stories over the years. His wife, Nadine, seemed to be the stable force who kept the company prospering over the years. I always enjoyed my visits to their offices in Yakima all those long years ago. Also, I believe Al died in 2011 at age 94.
Even though it is on the ugly side this thing is well thought out and executed beautifully. It seems to be very solidly built with good fit and finish too.
I would almost prefer to see Forgotten Weapons move to a platform that cares about availability of information and historical completeness, especially as TH-cam continues to prove that it will not continue to be an internet mainstay in the future.
Side note; would love for you to revisit older videos from way earlier in the channels history with your current setup, quality, and any future knowledge you may have learned on those guns
I've wanted a Ljutic Space Gun in 308 Winchester ever since I saw one listed in Gun Digest back around 1986 or 1987. I thought they were a little pricey back then (Around $1000). I believe the rifles versions were called: "Space Rifles" in catalogs back then.
Imagine you being a cosmonaut going to talk to some astronauts that were in a similar path and the astronauts are just staring you down with these things
I am german and such a gun was shown in a Swiss arms magazine. There was in 1980s an austrian TV Comedy Show,, Kottan ermittelt ' ( Kottan investigates). There appeared a one- legged detective, and author of Swiss arms magazine article thought, this gun would be a good crotch (?) / Krücke for the one- legged detective of Comedy Show.
Nice video I tried out a Ljutic Space Gun in the early 90's But the one I tried out was a Short rib model We couldn't agree on a price so I passed As for the release trigger , still being used I have a "Release Pull" trigger on my Skeet gun
I remember when these guns came out. The brochure showed several different versions. At the time my friends and I wondered who American astronauts might want to shoot at since space exploration was meant to be a peaceful endeavour. Alien lifeforms perhaps? It would be marvellous if you could one day do a video on the TP-82 combination pistol which really did go into space many times. It was never intended to be used in space but rather as a survival aid for cosmonauts landing in the Siberian wilderness while they waited for rescue.
Having and enforcing "rules" but refusing to disclose them because then people would adjust to them and follow them is the most coward thing ever.
Listing the rules would hold TH-cam accountable for their moderation, so they'll never do it. Too many pocket tyrants working for them moderating out of personal biases; they could never stick to an actual rule set day to day.
They learned it from the ATF
I don’t know if it’s cowardly, but it is authoritarian.
If people knew how to follow rules then TH-cam would have to pay the people who create content on their platform. TH-cam trying real hard to get as much free labour as possible
It's not just cowardly, it's straight up dysfunctional and idiosyncratic with every business model.
"You're going to prison."
"What for?"
"We're not at liberty to disclose that."
*sad kafka noises*
The English actually used to do this. People would be arrested and interrogated and denied due process at the whim of the monarchy. It was our founding fathers’ motivation for creating the sixth amendment, whereby you are guaranteed to an indictment (being told what crime you are being accused) followed by a speedy trial
Shoutout to Ian for recutting this and not taking the easy way out and just deleting the original video.
This content is a gift to future generations of engineers and enthusiasts.
@@co.1157 archive everything
Sorry, I missed something, what's the change and edit in reference to?
@@meme4one Was filmed at a auction house so any talk of it was taken out and the logo of the auction house was replace by the brown blank area you see.
@@killzoneisa thank you. Another pointless YT rule!
Here here!
Forgotten Forgotten Weapons
“I wanted to learn how to safely operate a firearm but TH-cam said that’s bad”
That’s probably going to be a serious argument a year from now.
Not at all lmfao. TH-cam is not a weapons training website. This is capitalism at work, dude. Don't like it? Good. It's a shitty system.
We need to make YT irrelevant a year from now. Go Rumble, Patreon, etc.
youtube does not want you to learn how to safely operate a firearm, youtube wants you to not operate a firearm. ever.
@@Pavia1525 I agree completely but unfortunately it would quite the schwer task.
@@asmo1313 that’s the thing, the current policy’s that we know of right now would only allow you to teach someone about the gun but not how to safely operate it.
I'm sorry. I'm from Germany and we have REALLY tough gun laws. But even I find that just ridiculous. Thanks to Ian for taking it upon himself to edit the videos. Otherwise so many cool, historical weapons and stories would be lost. My greatest respect!
Too bad they're not as tough on immigration as they are at disarming the German people to leave you defenseless for them
It's going to get even worse...I heard they plan to change the Gun law maybe prohibiting everything except air guns. I know it sounds crazy but yout get what you vote for. Green Agenda and Transhumane parties running your country. Greetings from Switzerland.
Our gun laws aren't only tough, they are stupid and tyranical and should be ignored...
At least you're right wing is starting to reclaim the country!
TH-cam even ruined the amazing Ljutic. They have gone too far.
What? How so?
It's not about the gun. It's about RIA. I just compared the recut vs the original ( HQpMpWYefyw ) and the only content removed is the RIA related stuff at the beginning and the ending.
Not to worry, it's TH-cam; they'll figure out some way further
Its understandable how people blame TH-cam but in reality this is not TH-cams fault. TH-cam is a free to use service and the way they make money is through advertising. Advertisers are very concerned about about their image and therefore they are very careful about where their ads are shown and guns are one of those contested topics, advertisers don't want their ads to be shown in gun related videos. TH-cam must cater to the advertisers because if they don't the advertisers flee and TH-cam doesn't get any money. If TH-cam doesn't get money from ads they must get it from elsewhere and the easiest way would be to make TH-cam a subscription based service instead of free to use. I still prefer TH-cam to be free to use instead of having to pay a monthly subscription.
@@lukum55 yeah except TH-cam still gets caught playing adds on “demonetized” videos. They just refuse to pay them any of the add revenue
If auction houses have to be censored that's going to mean 90% of the FW videos, including the coolest and rarest guns, are going to have to be heavily edited or removed. Tell me this isn't what's happening here??
*History redacted.*
Seriously... wasn't this Rock Island Auction?
Stalinization
@@HarveyDangerLurkerYeah, it was RIA.
IIRC, at first it was just TH-cam not liking direct links to auction houses and other gun-related stores in video descriptions and the like, so it was down to them being mentioned in the video itself (e.g. "X is being sold over at Y, go check it out if interested"), but now apparently just showing an auction houses logo is a no-no...
So TH-cam can advertise creepy kids products and predatory gambling in video games, but we can't show an auction houss name on a gun video. Love it.
ngl the complete wipe of anything RIA is pretty funny
That ghostly cry at 03:29 when he mentioned Al's death...
LMFAO HOW.
Heard it also that is creepy cool
@@anthonyhiles4253 it's funny because I know the exact type of construction of building that makes a door hinge squeal like that and an echo ring down the hallway like that. It's a standard government contract building, cinder block walls, linoleum floors, acoustic tile ceilings and fluorescent lights. Metal doors, steel or brass hinges and deadbolts. Probably 40s or 50s era Construction. Basically every Public School and Town Hall in North America fits that description.
@@anthonyhiles4253 my coastal city has a maritime museum that supposedly haunted and it's built exactly like that, and as a kid in Scouts we camped out there for a night. And all the doors sounded exactly like that. I'm honestly surprised that the parent Liaisons didn't try and spook us or prank also, it would have been extremely easy in those circumstances. :P
literally started scrolling to the comments right after hearing it, only to find that hardly anybody is mentioning it because there is so much to talk about with this one :)
Gun Jesus be with you ➕ ➕
I love that he named it the space gun even he knew it looked ridiculous.
Function over form
Still a badass form tho
Looks like something a Mandalorian might use...
@MonkeyJedi99 Yeah if you were to slap a telescopic sight on this thing it would fit right in with the starwars blasters
@MonkeyJedi99 imo the entire front of the gun looks like the DC-15 rifle from the the clone wars
Thank you for your dedication to keeping this up and out 'here'. History is worth saving.
The man is strong. I would have done the lazy/easy thing, and left the original on Utreon... free of the nonsense, ever-changing, supersecret, superstitious, crypto-mystical rules they have here.
"Unclean gun video! Unclean! UNCLEAN!"
There will come a time when it won't be worth it anymore, even for Ian. Get ready.
@@LD-Orbs I already dread the day and hour But I acknowledge how tiresome it is to feel as one constantly swim counter to the current, so to speak.
We can only hope we manage to turn the tide (and or current) before it's too late to stop us from going under.
@@LD-Orbsno if they were strong theud keep uploading the original stuff not bowing to stupid youtube "rules"/ the corrupt governments stupid "laws"
@@LD-Orbsalso it is worth it to keep the originals and not comply the reason they keep enforcing more and more "rules"/"laws" is because we dont show them we dont careand just do it anyway instead and follow the "rules" or whatever that will never get us anywhere
Hold on, they are deleting videos and don't even tell you why? TH-cam really needs some competition.
TH-cam did not deleted anything. He just reposted again with monetization on. Simple.
yes every time they change the rules the old videos get retro-actively checked and flagged. They have never ever told why anything is demonetized or hidden, it's always a "community guidelines violation"
rumble is the competition are you supporting
Not deleting,. Just demonitizing, thus making them invisible to most people. But yeah TH-cam made new rules, applied them retroactively and didn't tell anyone what they are. My guess is they're tryna save some money and decided to screw over creators
because they pretty much have a monopoly on internet videos market.
Just like Microsoft has monopoly on operating systems, Facebook Monopoly on social media and Adobe on graphics software.
they don't have to care and they won't until a serious competitor apears. they know no matter what they pull off we will still stay with them and put up with their shenanigans.
It's a general rule and applies to all business.
Thanks Ian for fighting the good fight. This is history and should be preserved. It's awful that YT is making it so hard for you, but I do think there is value in trying to keep as much of your content on YT as possible due to the audience reach it has.
That said, it's probably about time I make the switch to a more open content platform to consume.
Maybe we should go back to preferring dedicated websites where they can publish wtf they want. I wouldn't mind personally.
I was amazed the first time I watched, and am still amazed, that this man's response to not having a shotgun is to make one.
"I'm not borrowing a gun and I'm not making the trip to Sears. I'm a gunsmith and I'll procure my own shotgun."
It's fascinating how this takes the disadvantages of an open-bolt subgun in semiauto and turns them into strengths in a single-shot trap shotgun
2:56 I love that the part of the video that sounds like he was either going to get scammed, or make a terrible business decision that put the company out of business, was actually leading up to how he became so successful that he no longer had time for his oddball pet project.
They apparently made him remove the part where he said you could buy it at auction... An auction that took place 5 years ago.
Clown world.
And remove/cover the RIA logo from the wall.
Infuriating.
Welcome to AI and algorithms
@@MosoKaiser I didn't even notice that. I'd almost rather he make the censorship obvious and attribute it to the censor (TH-cam)
Correct. The only things removed is the parts where he talks about RIA at the start and at the end.
As an avid trapshooter for over 50 years, I had the pleasure of meeting Al and son Joe back in the 60’s and 70’s at the Grand American in Vandalia Ohio. Although the Spacegun didn’t take off, the Monogun was well sought after. It was a beautifully built piece and was often seen on the firing line. Your mention of the release trigger is interesting. It primarily came into popularity to midigate the effects of flinching. Most with this condition would jerk terribly when trying to pull the trigger and not allow them to actually pull the trigger resulting in a missed target. A release trigger did not cure a flinch, but when you did, the jerk would bring your finger off the trigger at the right time usually resulting in a broken target.
TH-cam is destroying itself without realizing it.
Eventually their 301 protection will be taken away and the lawyers will take them down. Class actions out the wazoo. The days of curated social media content are numbered.
At 1st glance it looks so incredibly simplistic. Once its explained how it works and why, it becomes a well thought out somewhat elegant design. I remember when these were introduced and they were very expensive and strange looking but now I understand what made them not only unique but also ingenious
Yes, 'simple' is not the same as 'crude'.
@@jic1 No, didnt mean to imply crude. They were very well made shotguns. Just simple as in very little complexity. However, I later learned there is much more going on than what you can see without handling it.
@@frankbrowning328 I was really just agreeing with your point, not trying to imply that you were trying to imply anything.
I’m an NSSA shooter, and you see release triggers from time to time. The purpose is to correct flinch when pulling the trigger. Personally, I think they’re unsafe. The procedure for a “no-bird” is to point the gun down range and shoot the round since there’s no way to release the trigger without firing.
Release triggers show up a lot in the trap world. On a break open shotgun, it is very easy to clear the gun after you set the trigger. You simply use your non-trigger hand to operate the barrel release lever. This lets the barrel pivot out of the way of the firing pin. You can then release the trigger as the firing pin won't contact the shell. On a semi-auto shotgun, I think they are very unsafe.
How is firing the gun downrange in the direction you would be shooting anyway unsafe? I'm not a fan of release triggers in the least but understand why some people need them to continue in the sport they love. On break open guns you simply open the action and then release the trigger, with some pumps and semi autos applying the safety will reset the trigger a few have a separate lever to reset and some you have the choice of awkwardly ejecting the round or just firing the round downrange in a safe manner. The only sport I've competed in the allows release triggers is American Trap which only allows one round to be in the gun.
@CCW1911 Consider how limited your options become if a person were to unexpectedly be found down range. That pretty much leaves you with keeping the trigger depressed, which keeps the gun about as unsafe as possible, firing upwards, firing downwards or firing around the person.
@@webby2275 Have you ever been on a trap range? People don't wonder out on a trap range, well ok maybe an alien space craft makes an emergency landing on the trap field you got me with that one.
Additionally, you wouldn't actually pull the trigger until you call for the bird...
You can imagine him showing up at the range trying to suppress a smug grin.
"Where the hell did you get that thing Al?"
"Made it..."
A dear, late friend with whom I shot Trap in Hawaii in the '70's ordered a Ljutic single shot Trap gun with a release trigger. It took some getting used to...😊
Every video on this channel is so wholesome in some manner. Only to be wronged by stupid rules that aren't even fully shown
I had the pleasure of meeting Al in Reno during the mid 80s. He let me shoot one of his Space Guns. I was shooting a Mod 99 Winchester, another single shotgun. And yes, the Space Gun did have a much less felt recoil.
I have always wanted this gun....what a work of art and as Ian took it apart I was struck by the genius simplicity of the design...neither over-engineered nor under-engineered it's ...just right! Thanks, Ian!
I think we need a explanation video, because it looks looks like the edit that was done was to remove any mention of Rock Island Auction from the video.
Yes, TH-cam no longer allows promotion of gun sales or gun sellers. Saying that a gun is for sale is not allowed.
Even a gun that was sold a couple of years ago...YT just gets more and more lame...
I think I'll go to the range today instead of wasting my time on YT...
@@Jreb1865 I think I'll join you.
That is really a crappy thing by TH-cam. Tsk i cant figure out why are they deleting such precious videos. But anyways, thank you for reuploading
In the old video he explained how you could bid on this rifle at the auction, which is obviously irrelevant at this point, but YT doesn't like anything related to selling firearms so Ian has a humungous amount of work ahead of him editing all the videos he did at auction houses over the years.
Deleted NO
Demonetized YES until edited.
Loved this the first time round, enjoyed rewatching it.
Farquar-Hill?!?
Was the first Forgotten Weapons video I saw, I hope Ian will revisit that one day.
If you're referring to the Farquahar-Hill, he has the original from over a decade ago and one from...a few years back? He looked at it in a series from the Royal Armories Collection, and had two different rifles to compare to, showing development on both.
@Noah Rollins yes that one with an added a and h!
I think I missed that, must look it up.
Thx
Mine I think was the Von Stiegler self ejecting, fell in love with his format and was introduced to a really neat type of firearm that I was unaware of
@@MrEvan312 another one I've got to look up.
Thx for the tip.👍
@@marcusott2973 It's a blast, these EXTREMELY swiss revolvers that are monstrously complex inside but automatically kick out spent cases
Used one years ago... for a few rounds. They are great. Used his mono gun for a few rounds... they are incredible!
One of my favorite of the unique designs.
The furniture on this example is absolutely gorgeous!
Imagine being the kind of badass to say, "Oh shit, I don't have a shotgun to bring... oh well, I'll just make one" and come out with something that isn't just a 4-winds.
Well, one upside of you having to repost these is that I get them popping up in my recommended and I have never seen a lot of them. I will make sure to like all the new ones I see so more people can see them.
Something I've always enjoyed about this channel, especially as someone left of center, is that it's remained pretty apolitical in comparison to a lot of other channels that talk about firearms history and technology. It's such a shame seeing TH-cam policies making it more difficult for this kind of content to succeed, especially since it's pretty completely benign and a breath of fresh air in terms of how people talk about the subject.
It's hard when leftists go after gun owners for existing. See what happened to administrative results.
@@cassiedoesmusic2606 "I like the second amendment I just don't support the first" This is the same thing the people who doxxed admin said, this is why leftists are never welcome to the 2A community. You support the system's war against dissidents whenever violence happens but instead of disarmament you push censorship with the same talking points.
@@LonginusDlyun cope harder
Ian,
Many lifetimes gone, I shot skeet at the Oak Tree Gun Club in Southern California. Of course trap was the big draw and I actually shot a round or two but skeet was my game. But I digress. On several occasions I saw not one but two Ljutic Spaceguns in the gun racks. Always during trap tournaments. They were a can’t miss item! Interestingly, the gentlemen who owned said shotguns were only mediocre gunners at best. Once I witnessed an informal round of trap where the gentleman using the space gun was not the owner. In four rounds he scored 100 out of 100. Sometimes a good gun just needs to be in the right hands. Those shotguns were strange to behold yet strikingly handsome at the same time. Your specimen is very easy on the eyes. And in the intervening years it has grown significantly less strange.
Thank you for a walk down memory lane. Or would it be a trip down the rabbit hole?
Keep the aspidistra flying!
God bless,
Paul
You've got to be kidding me. It's come down to TH-cam not allowing the showing of the logo of a reputable auction house. SMH!!!!
At least it's fun to rewatch these classics
Thats is a beautiful 'Tube'! My favourite part is the 'wood tubes' and how they compliment the rest of the tube.
Wow! This Ljutic deserves a medal or award for the most beautiful riffle design ever made.
What magnificent design!
Far ahead of its time
They're really weird to shoot though. Shot one once... Couldn't hit anything
TH-cam mush have learned how to make "rules" from the ATF.
Reposting your old videos helps us users with special needs who have a hard time finding and going thru the older videos. Thanks brother 😊
Re-liked, just because. Thanks, Ian!
Years ago I went to the local range for a little skeet. The guy next to me had a Spacegun. I was so distracted looking at it that I forgot to load up a couple of times! After the session, the owner held the Spacegun while I looked it over. I was impressed and have watched for one to become available. Alas, so far I've failed.
Very pretty. Great finishing.
That sight rib on the front of the gun kinda reminds me of the star wars DC-15A; it has a similar profile altogether
Pretty sure the DC15A is based on this
@@berbtheherb perhaps some elements, but remember that it is built off the MG-34 like the DLT-19s were in the Original Trilogy
Be me still waiting for Ian to do a Star Wars series of fogortten weapons 💀
So i Am Not alone Here! Neat
I originally saw the Ljutic Space Gun in the 1960s, in Gun Digest catalogue section. It always intrigued me, it looked like a Factory made version of the PI Guerilla Gun.
This FW has explained well the principles of action of this SG, nice to know.
DocAV
That is a mind boggling prospect for you to have to re-edit old stuff, you have so many vids.
Wow incredible craftsmanship
Like the finish is so smooth 🤙🏽
Damn that was like 5 years ago when you first posted it
Wow. Crazy but well thought out design. It looks extremely well made too.
"Is that a gun or a walking cane?"
"Yes."
Gun canes are friggin dangerous, cos they are often over a hundred old. There was one at an auction here in the UK, and it went off cos no one had checked it.
@@blackcountryme Holy crap, that’s quite a shock.
@@blackcountryme Proof?
@@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477 It was in an auction room, it was listed as a walking cane not a gun cane, someone picked it up, if you tilt them the trigger comes out and then can be pulled. someone picked it up and pressed it. was in the local paper. same as sword canes. I think they banned those things.
how do they protect the muzzle? seems like something would be Needed ...
I saw the thumbnail and was so perplexed I clicked immediately
Thanks for doing your best to share us!
Still a bucket list item. They were made in Rifle, Pistol and shotgun versions and were in gun books and such many years ago.
That is a lot like a sprung sliding pipe gun that I didn't build a decade ago...
It's a boom-tube, and I have not really had a need for sights, general proximity point & click is enough.
After a few fights, Ljutic forgot what a gun looks like and invented a gun
Props to the mysterious boogie man that’s auctioning this off.
It was a pleasure rewatching this re-upload.
Might I suggest future RIA videos that get reissued cover the logo with something that pokes fun at the silly rule.
Interesting trip down memory lane seeing the Space Gun and hearing about Al Ljutic. Al was a very mercurial character whose antics spawned many trap range stories over the years. His wife, Nadine, seemed to be the stable force who kept the company prospering over the years. I always enjoyed my visits to their offices in Yakima all those long years ago. Also, I believe Al died in 2011 at age 94.
Even though it is on the ugly side this thing is well thought out and executed beautifully. It seems to be very solidly built with good fit and finish too.
Thank you , Ian .
🐺
I remember these being advertised in Gun Digest in the 70's and 80's
As if me learning how to use an incredibly rare gun I’ll never is something TH-cam should worry about
Lmao he cut out rock island's logo
Love how the recut was just an oval over what we all know is the Rock Island Auction logo.
I would almost prefer to see Forgotten Weapons move to a platform that cares about availability of information and historical completeness, especially as TH-cam continues to prove that it will not continue to be an internet mainstay in the future.
„TH-cam, stop moving the goalposts!“ *screeches flailing the goalposts*
I see what was edited/censored. My GAWD, we can't have THAT, CAN we!!!! LOL
I got to see one of these "in the wild" back in the mid 80's.
To TH-cam...thank goodness for Utreon.
Side note; would love for you to revisit older videos from way earlier in the channels history with your current setup, quality, and any future knowledge you may have learned on those guns
"Man, what are you doing with a gun in space?" -Armageddon
I seem to recall seeing these in the gun digest several years ago.
Repost gang
I've wanted a Ljutic Space Gun in 308 Winchester ever since I saw one listed in Gun Digest back around 1986 or 1987. I thought they were a little pricey back then (Around $1000). I believe the rifles versions were called: "Space Rifles" in catalogs back then.
Great video shame that even keywords in a video can make it hard to monetize in a yt video and they are always changing policies all the time
What a unique gun. It's actually a good-looking shotgun that also doubles as a walking cane.
I was hoping this was going to be a plasma rifle in the forty kilowatt range.
Ww2 was the 1940 Olympics the wildest Olympics ever
Looks like any reference to RIA was cut
This look amazing, like how they saw futuristic rifle in old futuristic movie/art/comics/manga etc ....
Love this one! Have you heard about the TP-82 gun? Would love an episode on it
I really don't like how there was a background audio sting after Ian talked about Ljutic's death at 3:29
Seriously WTF TH-cam...thanks for the repost.
Imagine you being a cosmonaut going to talk to some astronauts that were in a similar path and the astronauts are just staring you down with these things
I am german and such a gun was shown in a Swiss arms magazine. There was in 1980s an austrian TV Comedy Show,, Kottan ermittelt ' ( Kottan investigates). There appeared a one- legged detective, and author of Swiss arms magazine article thought, this gun would be a good crotch (?) / Krücke for the one- legged detective of Comedy Show.
at least TH-cam didn’t make Ian edit out the ghost of Al Ljutic from the video at 3:28, hahah
Nice video
I tried out a Ljutic Space Gun in the early 90's
But the one I tried out was a Short rib model
We couldn't agree on a price so I passed
As for the release trigger , still being used
I have a "Release Pull" trigger on my Skeet gun
Ian is the man.
Was wondering what's being changed and the first second in I can already see the R.I.A. sign was gone.
Really? YT!?
This really is a space gun, you could use it unaltered in a sci-fi setting to represent a fancy sporting "blaster".
I remember when these guns came out. The brochure showed several different versions.
At the time my friends and I wondered who American astronauts might want to shoot at since space exploration was meant to be a peaceful endeavour. Alien lifeforms perhaps?
It would be marvellous if you could one day do a video on the TP-82 combination pistol which really did go into space many times. It was never intended to be used in space but rather as a survival aid for cosmonauts landing in the Siberian wilderness while they waited for rescue.
Thats what they want you to think. Space is clearly haunted
TP-82 video is long overdue...
Wow TH-cam is saving the world through blocking the logo of the Rock Island Auction and preventing you from saying Rock Island Auction
thank you for the video
Good thing no one can figure out how to load this dangerous assault weapon, thanks to TH-cam and the righteous battle it is fighting
I had an uncle who should've heeded his doctors advice about boxing.
"TH-cam's new rules... that aren't published."
What is this, a Franz Kafka novel? WTF, TH-cam.