Jordi Cortes: Fort William Preview & Replying to the Comments
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 เม.ย. 2024
- Jordi Cortes from Fox Factory Racing talks Fort William Downhill World Cup and how riders setup for such a demanding track. And we go through the best of the comments section after our previous conversation about Ebikes.
Link to our previous chat: • Jordi Cortes: "Around ... - กีฬา
35+ years analogue now 1 year in on an e-bike, feel like a teenager again out on rides, it's all about the fun and the fun factor is off the scale!
Me too just turned 70 and think e-bike will give me another five years!
I really like how he breaks things down. I learn a lot listening to him.
I’m 58 and been riding bikes off road all my life. Thankfully I am reasonably fit..and nope I am not interested in e-biking. So keep charging Jordi..!
I love my emtb's, but I respect people who don't. Where I ride, I wish traditional mtber's would respect my choice instead of trying to ban me here in the US.
Great to see Jordie talking openly about E bikes & some of the issues @ some point in the future he will be on an Ebike because he is a passionate biker.
Great follow up video and Jordi seems a great guy overall 👍My Fox 38s are very happy on my 2019 Kenevo eBike 😜
Thanks! 🤩
Super reasoned and reasonable ideas from Jordi.
I'm also not an ebike person. I don't really care if others ride ebikes as long as how they're behaving on those ebikes doesn't create a problem on the trail systems.
A person riding a traditional mtb has a lot of time/effort/work/learning that has to happen in order to able to be a huge menace (to themselves and/or others) on a trail. At the point they can start being a real problem on a regular mtb, they've probably developed relationships with other riders, learned how to behave on trails, and spent a lot of time involved with mtb. On the other hand, an emtb grants access to speeds and danger earlier than a rider might be ready for. So there's an elevated risk to people who maybe can't handle the danger yet plus they aren't necessarily experienced enough to go with the flow and not create congestion/problems on the trails.
The access to bike riding that ebikes create is great. Keeping people out of anything positive - especially something as good as bikes and humans being out in nature - is not something I want. I WANT more people outside. I WANT more people on bikes. There is a huge benefit to more people being outside in nature doing physical activities and ebikes open that door WIDE open for people who couldn't do it otherwise. That's a very good thing.
It's almost like we - as a community of riders - need mandatory trail etiquette classes/testing (and skills classes with option to test out?) with every bike sold. That way we're more able to make sure people know how to behave on trails and are aware of the limits of their capability. Testing and licensing and things like that aren't really necessary because there's no enforcement body anyway, but at least the knowledge of how the trails in the area work and how to navigate those safely would create a lot safer an experience and environment for trail users.
I live in a mostly flat/rough xc sort of place. Not a lot of jumps. Not much for elevation changes. And I see emtbs causing problems around here. Most of those problems are coming from people who haven't had enough experience yet on how to coexist on those trails. I can imagine those problems being exasperated significantly on trails with more vertical change.
You have no idea how an emtb works do you 😂. The peddle assist stops at 15mph here in europe (20mph'ish in US).. So I'm actually faster on enduro trails with a normal bike than my ebike, mainly because once you've passed the bikes speed limit your peddling a heavy ass 23kg rig, your only gain is on the climbs. Also my XC bike is just as quick (if not quicker) than my ebike along certain trails. So the last portion of your great speech holds no water about them being too fast for people. Also don't delude yourself into thinking all ebikers are new to mtb. Everyone I ride with on them are 30 to 40 +yr mtb veterans, who have also raced motocross, downhill, moto enduro etc for decades, we all still have analogue bikes and ebikes to train on. Not one of us feels like we need permission nor the need to earn respect because we suddenly have a battery👍
I'm just glad this ebike vs analogue snobbery doesn't exist in Europe. We're all out there enjoying life and not worrying about who's riding what 👍
@@dirtyoffroader2093 Do you know many beginners who can cope with 20mph around narrow singletrack?
I see the ones on our trails who can't. They get hurt. They fall on the trail in front of other people causing an issue for those folks. I'd love to prevent people from getting hurt as much as possible.
Plus, I even defended ebikes saying anyone getting a chance to be outside riding a bike is awesome. I don't ride one but I think people should be able to. I'm just saying that the ability for ebikes to make it easier to go too fast gives people who aren't yet ready to go that fast an easier opportunity to go faster than their skills can allow.
Further, I didn't say anyone should be prevented from owning or riding one. I just said that folks should have the information made available to them about how the local trail systems work and have access to skills training/testing so they can feel confident and be able to accurately assess their situation.
No snobbery here. I just dig bikes and people being on them!
@DontWorryImAPilot There's a huge chance that 'beginners' are going to crash no matter what they're riding. 25yrs riding bike parks has shown me that over and over. Besides ebikes only go as fast as you want them to go.. it's not just sit on it and suddenly do 20mph!.. you still have to peddle to get there, speed is gradually built up. So that falling danger infront of other riders which you describe can happen to new riders on any bike.. and does weekly 😂
I do suggest you ride one before making blanket statements. They're no different to an analogue bike except for having that extra help for uphills.. (and the added weight everywhere else). I 100% agree with you on getting more people out though. It's good for local economy and trail centres.. and more importantly peoples health 👍
@@dirtyoffroader2093 Ridden one, thanks. I know exactly how it works.
It assists your pedaling. If you're pedaling on flat, it's helping you go faster on flat than you would be otherwise. If you're pedaling up, it's helping you go faster up. If you're faster up and faster on flat, but you don't yet have the skills to deal with whatever the trail might throw at you, you're faster going into the next corner without the skills to deal with that speed.
Falls absolutely happen to people. More, easily attainable speed early on in a person's learning causes more crashes than they'd have otherwise. It's easier to go faster. 20mph is an effort for a new analogue biker and takes a physical outlay of some amount. 20mph is much more attainable for a new rider on an ebike. Get them up to 20mph on the flat then send 'em down a hill?
Similarly: uphill. A person new to biking might not have the wherewithal to understand how to navigate up a climb - especially one where someone on a traditional bike might already be climbing. But they now have speed and assisted sustained power they wouldn't have otherwise getting them into sticky situations behind someone; as I saw recently: an emtb rider wrecking someone by trying to pass them on a climb, messing up the pass because it was a bad spot and required more skills than they had and crashing into the other person, nearly pushing them both down the downslope which would have resulted in a tumble into busy traffic and at least one flattened human.
They can easily and often put people into positions they wouldn't have been able to get into as easily or as often otherwise. Those positions are often beyond their skill level and beyond what their trail etiquette is ready for.
I love people getting on bikes. I want people who get into biking to be safe and not cause extra danger for the others around them.
@@DontWorryImAPilot Well there's stupid people in all walks of life, driving cars, trucks, bikes.. maybe you've been unlucky enough to have them all on your trail while you ride 😆. What you describe is very much not the case from what I and others experience. I've helped alot more none-ebikers off the mountains after accidents than ebikers (zero ebikes to this date) and there's a good 50/50 coverage of both kinds of bike where I ride. And to be honest 99% of the beginners I know.. know their limits and ride accordingly.
Maybe all the darwins emigrated from here a century ago 😉😂 Enjoy your riding buddy 👍
Good conversation - they only thing missing (and not often pointed out enough in the eMTB vs regular MTB discussions) is that Class 1 Pedal-Assist bikes are exactly that - PEDAL ASSIST - they only help you when you're pedalling, and fundamentally you can vary how much assistance you get from Zero to 100% of the available power... ie. if you switch them off, then they are exactly like pedalling a (admittedly really heavy!) bike - and you can vary how much assistance you get depending on how much of a workout you want, and how far you plan on riding... simply razzing them along in Turbo mode the whole time is kind of missing the point.
At the end of the day, who wouldn't want [the choice of] a little help on the really steeper climbs? - it's the same reason we have 12 gears these days instead of single-speed. It makes the bike more versatile.
It might be missing the point but it is what 95% of riders I see here in the alps do...
I set goals. First ride of week regular bike second ride ebike on low for 90 min then i might turn it up once legs are done. I ride twice as much and reg bike endurance has doubled.
Great interview, Jordis honest replies gave me a few chuckles :) I love my lightweight EB and love my enduro, they each have their strengths and cant see only having one bike as an option anymore! I do think the manufacturers need to make the motors serviceable as that is not a very responsible thing to do in this day and age.. shimano, looking at you!
As long as people who use E-bikes understand that the motor is there because you would rather be assisted with your riding and they never lose sight of the fact that riding a none assisted bike is a lot harder than riding an E-bike, all is good.
I cannot agree with Jordi’s statement that e-bikes are getting better. As a decades long bike mechanic I can tell you that some 10 years or more old e-bikes are still riding strong and in contrary to that new-modern e-bikes are after 5 years total crap with broken motors, permanently damaged batteries and broken frames. Not to mention that chain can only last you about 500 km on a 45km/h e-bike.
emtb are way more powerful today than 10 years ago.
I think combo gearbox and motors and solid state batteries will change emtbs significantly. Weight and maintenance will drop.
I could listen to Jordie's logic for hours.... Just straight up a stud.
Grande Jordi
I hope all these rear linkages and high extra sprockets are Patented to stop everyone else from making the same mistakes. E=Mtb²
It's unfortunate that making the batteries is such a disaster.
I think jordi is absolutely on point with his reasoning, and it's why what he says in videos holds weight to me.
I think the sensational lizard brained emotionally reactive types are great for soundbites and thumbnails but their arguments amount to "I like doing what I want to"
Riding with Collie's is ace !
We agree 👍
E bikes are fun.
How about the one system that would replace all the crap that’s being produced right now ( Pinion Electric Gearbox belt driven ).
good point. its impressive. we need mfgs to agree on standard bottom bracket patterns and battery cases.
But the the e- enduros are so much more exciting! A well rounded race of down and technical up hill racing.
Just wait til Jordi finds out snowshoe is history
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Being a motocrosser at heart, I will never go back to a non e-bike ever again. All fun and a workout equal to a non e in eco. It’s just common sense.
If even this guy thinks the events are lame, How do they rescue enduro?
It’s the section of the market that seems to have really high participation as a hobby, but at an elite level it seems like it’s dead. I think I might be the only person who liked the enduro coverage from gcn racing.
It has nothing ro do with bikes and everything to do with psychology. Lets oversimplify and make two categories of riders. #1 riders who ride because of the struggle, the effort, the feeling of accomplishment when you have pushed hard and "achieved" a goal on a bike. #2 riders who ride to explore, take in the scenery, like the down sections more than the ups and ride more or less for "fun".
I can fully see and appreciate both, I'm a "fun" rider and my friends are "accomplishment" riders. No, I have never used strava. No, they cant recall any feature of the ride that wasn't directly in front of their wheels. No, I virtually never ride the same trail. No, they never take the weird little offshoots to their well known trails. Again, oversimplified sure and not eeeverybody fits like a round peg in a round hole like I laid out, but this is only a paragraph on youtube. We didn't ride well together at first because the psychology in their head said they couldn't respect that I wasnt sharing the struggle, and I was frankly bored with their predictable riding routines. But given time we just ended up riding to ride and forgetting there was any difference. You can too so long as you recognize there is a huge difference in how people think about their ride.
Regarding pedaling an ebike with no battery, I ride my Transition Relay with battery turned off about half the time. I ride mostly with analog bikers, so I use the motor only when I'm getting dropped. The pedalable lightweight ebike is a fantastic market.
Class 1 Emtb are way more like mtbs than motos.
And its not uneducated at all to ask why a 230lb enduro moto that is $10k that the best enduro riders literally ride stock with some valving adjustments costs as much or less than some emtb or mtb that is $12k. Its all BS. You think engineering doesnt happen on a much higher level by ktm compared to Fox mtb? Please.
You get WAY more bike from a used KTM 300XC for trail riding than some lame mtb or emtb that costs $12k because of the name on it. If it's between a Enduro moto and EMTb/MTB and trail access isn't an issue, moto all the way.
I've ridden downhill for years and currently ride some nice EMTb gasgas bikes that were $3k brand new with 160/170mm travel. Still prefer the moto but the emtb is hands down the best way to go vs a regular MTB
100%. I'm still laughing at him suggesting mtb's are better engineered than motorcycles 😂 everything on my mx/enduro bikes is better engineered than my ebike and normal mtb. I think he forget that alot of stuff from moto is passed down to mtb, it's been that way for decades.. so taking ideas made for one and using it for another isn't really pushing the boundaries of new engineering in the cycle world. Bob and Geoff Fox must be rolling their eyes at this guy. 😂
Hey Jordi if you do get an emtb make sure put it in a different shed from your mtb otherwise they will just fight and bitch.Never tell one when your ride the other either!😂
They are mopeds. Pathetic!
Electric cars BPV are history
Unless you have a physical disability, e-bikes are an easy button choice.
As soon as access to land is grated the segregation by the segregated starts, its iron.
Not the most apt comparison with the car industry going from gas to electric. Cars have engines regardless of how they're powered. Bikes, until recently didn't have motors. Well they did. We called them motorbikes. Which is what an ebike is. Not the same as a moto obviously. Anyway - the transition from gas to electric for motor vehicles has little relevance to a discussion about human-powered vehicles becoming motorized.
I don't care what people ride, but I do care about the sustainability, both in terms of the trails and the resources batteries require. I don't see people really talking about that part (other than Jordi does here). It's much easier to pick a side when only discussing from the perspective of "new fun thing" vs "old hard thing." Also, no one seems to be talking about how e-mtbs enable people without the physical capabilities acquired through the time spent learning to ride a regular bike to get into situations they'd never be in if they had to pedal themselves. I don't want people to not get healthier, and if a motorized mountain bike is the only way to convince someone to get off their ass and do something, I suppose that's better than the alternative. But the point is this -- a person with virtually no mountain biking skills can get themselves very far outside their physical limits very quickly. I've seen it out on the trails.
Final bitter old guy thought (not that anyone made it this far or gives a fuck): I think if E-mtb folks stopped acting like E-mtb and MTB are the same, there'd be virtually no debate. No one would give a shit. It's the asinine insinuation that they are the same that drives people nuts.
If you hate ebikes you hate fun. 😘
Love this 🤣
Ebikes are just less powerful surons. I dont mind ebikes but hate surons. Those things rip up the trails