Personally for my Huo march i like to run rallying cry for the interaction with his expertise. He pretty much perma have the 15% all dmg up. Just an thing ppl can think about
Hey chisgule it’d be nice to have a video like presenting you account completely like commanders you use for canyon open field rally garrison equipment for each etc…
I HATE infantry, but I, and most players would argue Scipio/LC is the #1 OF march in the game. Double AOE, double debuff, tanky, double speed. While ZL/Herman might seem better "on paper", operationally, Scip/LC is better. It's faster and much less likely to be targeted by players NOT in dot mode. Speed and behavorial [targeting] dynamics are very important. I suspect most players will still find thier best trading marches will remain Scip/LC #1, and Nev Joan #2; with ZL/HP as #3. We had a number of players max HP on the splot with thier 5555 ZLs, and were reporting Scip/LC as being superior.
I have Alex and martel, so I decided better to get (Liu Che/Alex) and (Martel/Scipio) so I can get two marches. Specially that I have one Legendary Equipment for Liu Che and the other is epic which will be enough for Martel as he us Tanky commander.
On an individual level, I would perhaps agree that Scipio Liu Che is strongest in the game. But at a kingdom level, all other things equal if you have more Hermann prime on the field I think you win more fights.
So many of these commanders I don't have. I got stuck in an older kd where the leaders used everyone else so they could farm MGE and it really set me back. Maybe in a year this will be helpful, but by then it'll change. :D :D :D
I have Zhuge, Artemisia, Nebu, Mevsky, Liu Che, Scipio, Joan, Hermann i just got to summon for now. But i am asking because the slowness of Guan, are we at the point we should or could pench him even though we've used him almost exclusively for his silence
I'd do everything the exact same up until your 7th march. I'd leave them all as they were but put aeth or mehmed with trajan. I've only been playing a year so I only have 3 marches, but all 3 are on this list lol
I have done test on barb using nevsky/joan and guan/scipio. Both marches have horn of fury. 2 test 5k troops vs lvl 25 barb. Skill cycle without feral nature is 6 turns. Skill cycle with feral nature is also 6 turns... so yea.. thats that
If I am just reaching kvk 3 and I am primary calv with equipment would would be a good secondary for Nevsky til I get Joan of ark unlocked as a low spender I can only max one commander at a time would aethel be okay til I get Joan?
Thank you, been looking for a video just like this! Would you reccomend getting scippy 5551 and then expertising che, getting him expertised with 5551 che, or do something different, and perhaps focus on another march, so have them both at 5551, and work on a cav march or something?
If you won't pair Scipio with guan or you don't have guan in ur marches, just go on scipio 5551 and Liu che expert. It's enough and works pretty good 👌
@@Pussydonutuber get liu expertised and then you ll see. Honestly I'm almost there liu s last skill is at 3 so a little bit left. I don't think it's worth it for me rn. Scipios forth isn't bad but his expertise is really meh. At this point u could use those 310 GH and start building another march or save for when you have the equipment
Should I run 2inf/2cav/1 arch or 2inf/2 atch/ 2 cav or 2cav/2arch/1inf. My currecnt commanders are scipio prime, liu che, zhuge liang, hermann prime, and nevsky
Great Video, your content is very much appreciated! Question: What skill level does Gorgo need to be so it is viable for open field? 5551? Also, if you have sargon already would you recommend even investing in Gorgo for a long term open field march?
@@RynoObeyBoudicca Ash and Zhuge Hermann is a wayyy better way to go because Ash and Hermann have the same exact second skill apart from territory stuff and stacking the same effects always reducing the impact so do ZL also Hermann gives the most march speed out of the 4 so have to pair with ZL
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Wassup Chis! big fan, hahaha! i got a question, most the whael's advices tell ppl to use Horn/Ring, but why still use feral nature if its an average of 17 rounds/activation and neither it or the horn gives you value after first skill cycle?
Hey, the most important skill pop is the first. Imagine u and I fight in a 1v1. If I pop skills first, lets say skill damage buffs, damage buff, health and defense debuffs on u, silence maybe, etc, like you are done. Hence why ring and horn best for nuke marches and feral nature is there to even it out and make it fastest to go first and also be as fast in later pops.
@@WendellTmA well i'd say have feral nature for skill tree commanders like zhuge, nev, huo, boudica, and have ring and horn and that is the fastest those marches can try to pop first. Obviously in fights, theres alot of variables. For example, proc horns and gear, crystal tech allowing bigger march cap, expansions, etc. The system gives the losing side more rage to compensate them a little also. Do watch john wicks rage guide and cwill rage guide bro. They explain
@@AKHIL-zw2dc maybe you missed the point o me saying that, its exactly bcs of overraging why i see no sense in having feral nature if it doesnt active this often to make a difference, since i have horn in all marches and they already give me max benefit of rage generation.
Hey Chis and everbody, my current marches are Guan & alex maxed Nevsky maxed/joan 5551 Xy maxed/william 5552 Boudica & ysg maxed and I've got Scipio 5551 LC 5411 ZL 5551 What do you guys think I should do? Need your insights for me to have better marches
guan scipio, alex liuche or liu alex, reset skill joan to 5**5. xw william good, boudica zhuge better, but boudica ysg also good. ysg you can use on everything, like aeth ysg with archer main equip, or saladin ysg, or ysg mehmed double relic.
Hey everyone. I have a question. I have boudicca 5555, zhuge 5511, henry 5511, artimisia 2111, hermann 1111 and ashur 1111. I have 700 gold heads to spend and i dont know in which one i should spend them. Should i make a second march for my account with maxing hermann or should i max zhuge and fight in kvk just with 1 march? Or should i ignore archers and max next cav commander? (i havent cav equipment) Thanks for an answer
It depends on the kingdom you are in and the Enemy strength level, if your kingdom is new (+2900) then unmaxed commanders can work well so you can run two marches.
If your Kingdom is old enough so unmaxed commanders don’t work, so you need to max ZL. Also important whether you already have second archer march equipment or not.
Hey chisgule is sargon still good to expertised ?? Mines at 5512 I need second infantry. Im just worried to expertise him and get screwed I here he doesn't do enough damage in field cause you don't stay in the fight long enough
Missed opportunity to utilize ranged commanders as your 6th or 7th March. At 5511 with epic armor and troops, you WILL trade positive as long as you are not targeted directly. Instead of taking sub par commander pairings and overstressing your troop barracks, flex that 4th siege training building and fire away!
@@jackrisonjoseph i have maxed sargon and 5511 gorgo (won some mge). Think it is really that much of an improvement? i would still need to put some gh for the 55..5
@@manuelvelasco2761 if you ask anyone that bring gorgo in open field, their answer would be all the same, "gorgo must be maxed". Scipio 5551, Zhuge 5551, Boudica 5551, Joan Prime 5515, Liu Che 5551. These commanders are thousand times better than gorgo in open field, you can max them later.
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Personally for my Huo march i like to run rallying cry for the interaction with his expertise. He pretty much perma have the 15% all dmg up. Just an thing ppl can think about
Trades good ?
@@theoneandonlyGR Yes Huo is amazing. I run him with Joan and the march slaps. If you dont get focused it is an easy 1:10 trade
@@theoneandonlyGR😅😅p pop poppy one two😊 promise me😊
Hey chisgule it’d be nice to have a video like presenting you account completely like commanders you use for canyon open field rally garrison equipment for each etc…
Gorgo+liu che =Best the Best open field
Finaly with Talents!! Thx a lot ❤
Awesome video sir start the new year with all new pairings and talent builds
I HATE infantry, but I, and most players would argue Scipio/LC is the #1 OF march in the game. Double AOE, double debuff, tanky, double speed. While ZL/Herman might seem better "on paper", operationally, Scip/LC is better. It's faster and much less likely to be targeted by players NOT in dot mode.
Speed and behavorial [targeting] dynamics are very important. I suspect most players will still find thier best trading marches will remain Scip/LC #1, and Nev Joan #2; with ZL/HP as #3.
We had a number of players max HP on the splot with thier 5555 ZLs, and were reporting Scip/LC as being superior.
I have Alex and martel, so I decided better to get (Liu Che/Alex) and (Martel/Scipio) so I can get two marches. Specially that I have one Legendary Equipment for Liu Che and the other is epic which will be enough for Martel as he us Tanky commander.
thats fine to go with :) Also getting some use of your just expertised Alex@@DDKKAY
@@DDKKAY Martel is not that exciting. you will get better value out of Mehmed 5511 with a relic. Good old charles just does not tickle
On an individual level, I would perhaps agree that Scipio Liu Che is strongest in the game. But at a kingdom level, all other things equal if you have more Hermann prime on the field I think you win more fights.
Scippy is the real OG. 👑
So many of these commanders I don't have. I got stuck in an older kd where the leaders used everyone else so they could farm MGE and it really set me back. Maybe in a year this will be helpful, but by then it'll change. :D :D :D
Migrate
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Yes, I did migrate out as soon as I could.
I have Zhuge, Artemisia, Nebu, Mevsky, Liu Che, Scipio, Joan, Hermann i just got to summon for now. But i am asking because the slowness of Guan, are we at the point we should or could pench him even though we've used him almost exclusively for his silence
I'd do everything the exact same up until your 7th march. I'd leave them all as they were but put aeth or mehmed with trajan. I've only been playing a year so I only have 3 marches, but all 3 are on this list lol
would be good to get a video like this for f2p / low spend
Hi Chis havent my Hermann maxed yet ,but trajan/Hermann brought Up some good results in canyon😮
I have done test on barb using nevsky/joan and guan/scipio.
Both marches have horn of fury.
2 test 5k troops vs lvl 25 barb. Skill cycle without feral nature is 6 turns.
Skill cycle with feral nature is also 6 turns... so yea.. thats that
6 turns???? How is that even possible?
If I am just reaching kvk 3 and I am primary calv with equipment would would be a good secondary for Nevsky til I get Joan of ark unlocked as a low spender I can only max one commander at a time would aethel be okay til I get Joan?
If I’m not running a horn on scipio, would i still want to only do 2 points in the rage talent?
@Chisgule Gaming i can change the boudica/artemesia from guanyu/sargon ?
Thank you, been looking for a video just like this! Would you reccomend getting scippy 5551 and then expertising che, getting him expertised with 5551 che, or do something different, and perhaps focus on another march, so have them both at 5551, and work on a cav march or something?
Scipio 5551 liu Che expertise
Liu gets a lot of value expertised scipio is an aight expertise but not worth it
If you won't pair Scipio with guan or you don't have guan in ur marches, just go on scipio 5551 and Liu che expert. It's enough and works pretty good 👌
aight, thank you bro! do you think I go expertised che, then go for expertised skippy, or then look towards another march?
@@Pussydonutuber get liu expertised and then you ll see. Honestly I'm almost there liu s last skill is at 3 so a little bit left. I don't think it's worth it for me rn. Scipios forth isn't bad but his expertise is really meh. At this point u could use those 310 GH and start building another march or save for when you have the equipment
What about using Hendry with nebu for a 7th march?
That totally works.
we need a new equipment upgrade guide, especialy for archers!
Should I run 2inf/2cav/1 arch or 2inf/2 atch/ 2 cav or 2cav/2arch/1inf. My currecnt commanders are scipio prime, liu che, zhuge liang, hermann prime, and nevsky
Dam I should've not put some sculptures on boudica P 😢
Currently I’m running Sargon skippy , guan Tariq , and gorgo and liu
Great Video, your content is very much appreciated!
Question: What skill level does Gorgo need to be so it is viable for open field? 5551?
Also, if you have sargon already would you recommend even investing in Gorgo for a long term open field march?
My current 7 march lineup:
1. Nev/Joan
2. Huo/William
3. Boudica/ZL
4. Ash/Herman
5. Guan/Scipio
6. Liu/Sargon
7. XY/Justin
I was thinking of investing in Gorgo, but she is single Target, so on the long term she will not be viable. Even though currently she is very strong.
@@RynoObeyBoudicca Ash and Zhuge Hermann is a wayyy better way to go because Ash and Hermann have the same exact second skill apart from territory stuff and stacking the same effects always reducing the impact so do ZL also Hermann gives the most march speed out of the 4 so have to pair with ZL
@@DDKKAY yea but don't forget she is a great garrison too, so it's a double investiment and i love her
For a cav commander with conquering tree is the points in undying fury better than putting it into bucklers shield for -9% counterattack?
But if you have Horn of Fury on all the marches. Is feral nature still benificial to spec into? Wont it just overrage and render horn of fury useless?
My two main marches are both archer is zl Herman then boudica ysg
Excellent as always. Thanks!
If you have the chance to use an artifact, which pairing would be best for Zhuge? (since I don't have other good archers)
Scipio prime with ZL with an inf artifact is disgusting good
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5551 Zughe with 5551 Hermann or 5555 Zughe with 5511 Hermann for an upcoming kvk?
Wassup Chis! big fan, hahaha!
i got a question, most the whael's advices tell ppl to use Horn/Ring, but why still use feral nature if its an average of 17 rounds/activation and neither it or the horn gives you value after first skill cycle?
Hey, the most important skill pop is the first. Imagine u and I fight in a 1v1. If I pop skills first, lets say skill damage buffs, damage buff, health and defense debuffs on u, silence maybe, etc, like you are done. Hence why ring and horn best for nuke marches and feral nature is there to even it out and make it fastest to go first and also be as fast in later pops.
@@AKHIL-zw2dc thats exactly my point, if it doesnt active often for making u popping skill first, what is the usefullness of it!?
@@WendellTmA well i'd say have feral nature for skill tree commanders like zhuge, nev, huo, boudica, and have ring and horn and that is the fastest those marches can try to pop first. Obviously in fights, theres alot of variables. For example, proc horns and gear, crystal tech allowing bigger march cap, expansions, etc. The system gives the losing side more rage to compensate them a little also. Do watch john wicks rage guide and cwill rage guide bro. They explain
@@AKHIL-zw2dc maybe you missed the point o me saying that, its exactly bcs of overraging why i see no sense in having feral nature if it doesnt active this often to make a difference, since i have horn in all marches and they already give me max benefit of rage generation.
Hey Chis and everbody, my current marches are
Guan & alex maxed
Nevsky maxed/joan 5551
Xy maxed/william 5552
Boudica & ysg maxed
and I've got
Scipio 5551
LC 5411
ZL 5551
What do you guys think I should do? Need your insights for me to have better marches
Forgot to add I also have Huo 2111
guan scipio, alex liuche or liu alex, reset skill joan to 5**5. xw william good, boudica zhuge better, but boudica ysg also good. ysg you can use on everything, like aeth ysg with archer main equip, or saladin ysg, or ysg mehmed double relic.
How about a video for best swarming marches?
Yo chisgule im kinda stuck debating between Liu che and herman to max next ive got gyuan/scipi and boidica/zl and both marches are super capable
Liu is a beast on the field.
Liu Che for more KP. Hermann to win kvks
Hey everyone. I have a question. I have boudicca 5555, zhuge 5511, henry 5511, artimisia 2111, hermann 1111 and ashur 1111. I have 700 gold heads to spend and i dont know in which one i should spend them. Should i make a second march for my account with maxing hermann or should i max zhuge and fight in kvk just with 1 march? Or should i ignore archers and max next cav commander? (i havent cav equipment) Thanks for an answer
It depends on the kingdom you are in and the Enemy strength level, if your kingdom is new (+2900) then unmaxed commanders can work well so you can run two marches.
If your Kingdom is old enough so unmaxed commanders don’t work, so you need to max ZL. Also important whether you already have second archer march equipment or not.
Expertise Zhuge and 5511 Herman.
@@DDKKAY Im in 1002 an old kingdom. I have some equipment but not a full set.
@@javierross7441 Okay thank you. Then i will make the pairs Boudicca 5555/Ashur1111 and Zhuge 5555/Hermann 5511
Amazing as everytime
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Hey chisgule is sargon still good to expertised ?? Mines at 5512 I need second infantry. Im just worried to expertise him and get screwed I here he doesn't do enough damage in field cause you don't stay in the fight long enough
He is trash
What's your recommendation garrison pairing for f2p player. At least to defend own city, not to take role GL for pass/fortress/flag. Thanks
Gorgo and charles martel i think
@@ahmadsuwasno79 Gorgo isn't really f2p friendly thou
The next cycle needs to be Leadership with a commander that is both a Trajan & Honda upgrade. Being an OP’d must-have secondary.
Missed opportunity to utilize ranged commanders as your 6th or 7th March. At 5511 with epic armor and troops, you WILL trade positive as long as you are not targeted directly.
Instead of taking sub par commander pairings and overstressing your troop barracks, flex that 4th siege training building and fire away!
I have nevsky, joan prime and xy maxed. Huo is 5551. How should i pair these 4 comms?
ucan pairs huo/william or huo/mehmed full museum buff& xy/william or xy/mehmed full museum buff
is there no way hermann can be paired with trajan as a sup march?
Is it worth the gorgo climb for the open field?
If you're not a garrison player, no.
Using gorgo in open field its only for P2W. Don't listen to Chisgule
@@jackrisonjoseph i have maxed sargon and 5511 gorgo (won some mge). Think it is really that much of an improvement? i would still need to put some gh for the 55..5
@@manuelvelasco2761 if you ask anyone that bring gorgo in open field, their answer would be all the same, "gorgo must be maxed". Scipio 5551, Zhuge 5551, Boudica 5551, Joan Prime 5515, Liu Che 5551. These commanders are thousand times better than gorgo in open field, you can max them later.
Nevsky Joan on top 🥺
Nice 🎉
Chis why Not Hou Q and William ? Dropp guan sargon
Don’t you want a slightly different talent tree build for XY since he’ll generate too much rage?
Xy is dead
XY is still crazy fym 😂
@@SoSMKH wdym bro, my 5 cav are crushing
hi
Can Hermann be 5551 for a long time?
It can but it will be long term meta. So basicly you wanna max him to get max value from him
Feel like Tariq open field is super good still I’d say
Rip guan 🥲
Boudica is bad. Do Henry or Ashu(didnt test it). Boudica get melted even with AOE. Its really bad.
Gorgo liu che and scipio sargon bench guan
Why are you ignoring Latent Power in skill tree in all builds? 6% damage is insane
Because it is giving dmg boost for additional dmg not normal skill dmg.
Armumats hate me
Tariq > Sargon
When you say tarik is the 4th best inf commander do you rate gaun lower or higher than him? If he is worse then tarik would tarik scippy be better?
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