Forrest Fenn's Treasure at Auction
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- On November 11 Heritage Auctions announced it would be selling off the Forrest Fenn treasure. Bidding started that day, and will end on December 12. This video explores how we can locate particular lot items in photographs from The Thrill of The Chase, published in 2010--as well as pictures outside the memoir. We can now bid on coins, gold, and artifacts we saw in Scrapbooks, read about in the memoir, and saw inside the chest when Jack discovered it and took pictures as proof for Forrest. These items are valuable; I still think an estimate of about $550,000 is appropriate for the melt value of the gold alone. But there are many other items not accounted for in this figure. And of course each item now has in its pedigree that it was included in the most famous treasure hunt in the world. The most personal item in the chest--and now the most alluring in the auction--is the sealed glass jar in which Forrest put his autobiography. But what version of his story? What secrets are inside?
Thank you Matt. This was a very good video. I miss seeing you, brother from another mother
Hey, Dan. I hope you're doing well. I'm not sure how you folks survive up there near the north pole, but hang in there. Only 7 more months of winter, right? How are you feeling about things going up for auction?
@@smellthesunshine4425 Hey, Matt. It was a balmy 9 degrees last night, Ugh. I am already missing those warm summer afternoons when I was out for a long run. I originally had my eye on that coin with the rust until I realized it no longer had the rust. Then I found something with a special personal meaning to me. Having said that if it sells for way over a realistic value, I will just be happy with all the things I currently have, like that signed map by Jack. I hope you and your family are well. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.
@@copperdan7667 My dictionary has a different definition for "balmy" ;) Must be a southern dictionary. I feel exactly the same way about the auction items. At first I just couldn't help it, and I bid on dozens of things. Now I'm being a little more focused. But if I lose them to a higher bidder, so be it. I have some mementos that mean a lot to me, and also the memories. Keep up the running!
Didn't Forrest say he got the Jade from a Chinese official? Strange how they ended up being neither Chinese nor Jade.
I had forgotten that. Where did Forrest mention it? By the way, I reached out to Heritage and asked what the Olmec faces are made of (you can click on a link under any item, and send a question via email). They responded this morning, and said they had updated their listing with measurements. Oops. I suppose "jade" is a "stone" (the term they use); but maybe they don't use the term "jade." It's a little problematic--refers to jadeite and other materials historically.
Thanks for taking the time to make and share this. Stay safe and have fun.
All your videos added to the excitement during the chase. It's great to have another video from you but sadly the content is now bittersweet.
I totally relate to the bittersweet feeling. The last 2+ years have felt that way. Considering the post-find alternatives, I'd say this is probably the best outcome. (It could have been stored away and that fact never shared; sold piecemeal already; acquired by a museum that puts it in storage forever; or even melted down.) This way people will likely get to view everything in a week or two, and a lot of searchers will get mementos.
Good luck bidding.
Great observations from the video standard bearer of the chase. Thanks and good luck.
Thanks for stopping by. Are you still Team Nine Mile Hole?
@@smellthesunshine4425 Yup! Never left. Since I emailed with Jack Stuef about the Old Poachers Cabin in May of 2021. When Dal Neitzel posted all the 'within 300' of the treasure chest' emails with Forrest Fenn on Dal's new blog. That area made total sense. Still does.
@@smellthesunshine4425 Yes Matt, beyond any doubt. There was a strong case before any of the Redditt stuff came out, (you may recall I laid out my version of the case to you back then), but it became hard to deny after Redditt. I am eternally grateful to Rudy Greene for proving what we already strongly suspected and providing us an exact location. What he did was remarkable. I would not be surprised if there are some things about Jack and the exact circumstances around his find that we don't know and may never know, but regardless, I feel 9MH is a given. I don't think we can fully appreciate what it must have been like around 1945 when Forrest's brain became permanently impressed by his "secret" place. Can you imagine "owning" Yellowstone in 1945 and what it must have been like? The new "Yellowstone: One-Fifty" series on Fox Nation with Kevin Costner sort of strikes a similar nostalgic theme, I think, reminding us of what it was like before it was filled with millions of people. Of course, I was stupid and only realized all that after the fact. I think for many of us, a post analysis of the chase becomes quite fascinating, including evaluating our own personal thought processes. May I suggest making a video about 9MH from Forrest's perspective as a child, similar to what was done with Fishing Bridge, if you get bored. Your videos are frankly better than a perfect day at the amusement park - they are so well done.
Only one thing left to do. Try and get the ultimate souvenir! Good luck to you always, Matt.
@@mustlistengood3346 Of course I recall! We were circling the area. It first came up in our group on a livestream we did in late December 2020. We figured it was somewhere between the watering hole and Seven Mile Bridge after Odious Soul's "paraphrasing" of Jack's email. The specific mention in R&R (only one person could "go alone in there"); Doukopil's piece; the California Sunday Magazine slip-up; the history of that area for trout (still posted on a park services sign nearby). I kept going back to Jack's "wheelbarrow" video. There's no bigger wheelbarrow than the Madison. There weren't too many "creeks" to choose from. Learning the history of the place was not helpful in terms of the changing landscape, but definitely good support for 9MH's significance and notoriety. I kept your email and read a portion in the field out loud to our group. But we were essentially where Jack was on Day 1 of 25, and a little discouraged about the prospect of a grid search sans metal detector. When the Reddit stuff broke, it just let us know that we were at the right "section of forest." The big debate was which creek, wet or dry. Back home, in August of last year, I began thinking more seriously about the 200- and 300-foot comments. I ended up with a rectangle on a map, about the size of a football field. I've thought about doing a 9MH video, which would basically be a solve video. Might be good to make that one my last. If I do, you'll be the first to know, because I'll want to get reacquainted with those foundational texts you shared with us.
Hi Matt. Forrest always loved your videos and so do I. This one is very thought-provoking and I really enjoyed watching it. Happy Thanksgiving and welcome back!
Great breakdown and description of all the pieces and and the historical background! 😎
Thanks Matt ✌️🌲🏔️
Long time no see. Thanks, Allen.
Ha. The meat in this nugget sandwich is elusive....priceless. Matt hasn't ever been to fast food? 🤣 Great analysis and video Matt, TY!
I will 2nd that H. Ha! Stay well my Friend.
Agreed. This video is trying to help make the LLC, and quite possibly friends of his, more cash.
@@obscureoddments6097 Why do you care about other people's money so much?
I truly don’t think Matt had any secretive meaning for this video
@@sloughbox8002 don’t get negative. I believe Matt is an honest man
I wrapped up and deleted 100s of the videos from the past 10 years when i followed the chase. Saving only a few in rememberence. Yours were among the select few keepers that made the cut.
Thanks for making a brief comeback! I can now put a bow on the whole Fenn treasure hunt and finally put it to rest.
I always enjoyed your content.
In The Richard Eeds Show Santa Fe Podcast Forrest said he paid $12,000 for each of the "little Chinese jade figures".
Thank you. That's astounding. I looked up the link I had for that show, and either it's gone or moved. But I believe you. If I had known this, it would have affected the first video I did about the contents of the treasure chest.
@@smellthesunshine4425 the link is in a court document. Karl had assembled a list of all the times Forrest said, "if you find it you can have it" as well as other comments on costs/contents.
@@Goldilocks... Thank you so much. Which case?
@@smellthesunshine4425 Erskine case - Document #31 Attachment 3
@@Goldilocks... The youshopweship channel still has that interview up. This was from his first appearance, and Forrest brought his granddaughter. Forrest seemed to really like Eeds. There was something about him--intelligent but not pretentious--that disarmed Forrest. I always liked those interviews. This one has some nice gems about the early days in Santa Fe--sleeping on the floor while they plastered the walls; it took them two or three years to start paying employees out of Accounts Receivable. Forrest hesitated when he got to the figurines; he didn't seem too sure about that 12k number. Earlier in the interview he says he always paid too much for the collectibles he wanted, never paid fair market price. He's just being funny, I think. And it really doesn't matter now. But thanks for reminding me about this great interview. He was still very sharp and charming (and a little bit of a rascal) at 85.
Nicely done! Before I watch again, 17:17 was fascinating. If only Heritage was open to trading, but alas the purse strings barely allow another search let alone a bid. Thanks for sharing
This infomercial has been brought to you by Heritage auctions and chase inc! Be sure to get your bids in before it's all gone!!!!!
Do you know it!😂
I think he just did like most of us and matched up what he can see to what he has saw. Why do you think this is a shilling type video?
Wasn't meant that way. It's just been exciting to learn so much about these items, and see all the photographs. I obsessed about all these treasure items in the past; how can I not geek out a little now?
@@smellthesunshine4425 Thanks for the video. Sunshine😁
The beginning of the video does insinuate he was draw back in by bad people. I dont see anything bad in the video though. Actually he did bring up the fact that the talisman gold nugget that forrest created was ignored for what it is.
1903 is Metal enough! eXcellent video, thank you!👨🎨
So nice to hear from you again! Quick question on behalf of another searcher - did anyone ask you to do this video promoting the auction? The clip you opened with says, "they pulled me back in". Did anyone pull you back in? Thanks!
No, I didn't make this video at anyone's behest or invitation. I can also confirm that I'm not being pulled back into the criminal underworld because my Sicilian relatives have leverage over me. It's just a meme. I had stepped away from things, but the auction launch with all the pretty pictures and descriptions sucked me back in. I've had lots of people ask me to do videos over the years, and I just can't imagine doing that. I've always declined. It would be like wearing someone else's clothes.
@@smellthesunshine4425 😊
You are one of few people who has great insights, thank you. One question for you, what if Home of Brown has no name but only a location. Forrest did say you have to start at clue number one and follow the others to the end. So you need one to get to two that leads you to three and so on. Wasn't the old biddies just-- Dishing the Dirt ?
About the Olive Jar, didn't Forrest Fenn say he took out the part referring to the treasure chest location in that edition of his autobiography, Matt? Referring to why the spot was special to him? Saying that the bronze jars edition contains that, though??
Ooh you're right. Thank you. Featured Questions with Forrest (4/24/18). Q: When a searcher arrives to this location, will they understand why it was so special to you? A: "Maybe they will, but probably not. . . . It was in my autobiography until I removed it for personal reasons." It could be that he removed ALL references to the hiding spot to eliminate legal trouble if it came to that. Those reasons are personal! Or it could be that he held a memory of something very dear to him, but later deemed it too private, or thought it might upset family members. I'm sure we could speculate all day. He could have removed the explanation, but still mentioned the location, I think. "Dear finder: Welcome to a place very dear to me, known to the locals as . . . ." Thanks for the correction, Lisa.
Thank you matt!!✌️
@Wonderfulmatt. hey I tried to leave you my email.???
It's still early in the investigation, but it appears Ai, searching the Wayback Machine, could find no evidence of a Jack or Jonathan Stuef prior to 2020. No birth, no graduation and no articles can be found...
Wait wait wait, you are telling me I need to care about this again? I thought I’d moved on from this
You're not really over an ex when you lurk on them.
I just learned of the Fenn treasure today. Great video here and I am looking to study this subject in detail in the coming days. ✌
Thank you Matt, you used my email in your video and now my daughter thinks I’m a vip. Lol
You ARE a VIP! That made me smile. Hey, thanks for asking Jack a good question. It helped me go down a little rabbit hole for a few minutes :)
Lucien Sarti called, he asked for a chase refund. The feds are gonna have fun with this one. Good luck!
I'm sure you're right about the feds. They probably have a Special Task Force working the case.
@@smellthesunshine4425 😂😂😂😂
Another spectacular video Matt
Dogs and frogs will hold all the keys to the Forrest world!!!
5 of the coins were counterfeit and are not allowed in the auction
I heard that! Now I have questions. Counterfeiting must involve using less valuable material (otherwise the enterprise doesn’t make financial sense); but aren’t the coins nevertheless valuable historically? I’ll bet there are experts who can not only spot the fakes but tell you about their provenance. And maybe there are really good ones-the Elmyr de Horys of the coin world. The LLC should have included these coins. If people can bid on scissors, they can bid on fake coins. Or are you saying that Heritage won’t auction counterfeits? Why not-as long as their provenance is clearly indicated?
Personally I'm a little annoyed that it's being auctioned off like that. I mean it wasn't meant to be bought it was meant to be found. If you got money you could go buy all that same stuff and then what was the point in the first place.
I'm guessing the coins will fetch fair market value only. The Chase was only 10 years and ended on a very negative note.
Your prediction has been noted! I've been doing my own predictions, and I'm a little more confident than you. The lowest priced gold items have already exceeded spot value. Maybe that's an indicator of where winning bids for coins/nuggets will go across the board--perhaps not by the same measure, but nevertheless above spot. We still have many gold coins that were in Forrest's treasure with winning bids parked at about $100. I think some of those numbers are meaningless at this point. On the final day, I don't think I'll be able to resist buying any and all coins and nuggets if they're going for under melt value! Thankfully (for my bank account and my marriage) I think there are a thousand other people with the same thought. Maybe more: this auction has been advertised heavily in the collecting world. We shall see. I've been wrong before. Thanks for stopping by.
This video is clearly nothing more than an advertisment for the chest contents.
He’s been working for certain people since the beginning.
I love when people change face 🎉
I love when people remove themselves from Kpro’s a$$hole
@@oldshiloh9061 I’m not into that type of talk
@@oldshiloh9061 I don’t trust any of these scumbags.. this particular scumbag helped with the fake ending, and now he’s advertising the treasure from that fake ending. These are the spoils.
You used a photo in this video that hasn't been released through the auction site or the press kit. In your photo, the jar is on its side instead of standing upright. Do you have any details of where that came from?
Those lights in Cynthia's pictures (from her latest video) made me think that Heritage was probably doing an official photo shoot, and/or filming something (they do livestreams). So I reached out to her, and she came through with that picture. My assumption is that she didn't take it herself, but obtained it from the photographer. I had mixed feelings about the pictures I saw from that shoot (including chest photos) because they were coin-less! Seems like you need a chest overflowing with gold coins. BTW: I tried zooming in on the jar on its side, but it's way too blurry.
@@smellthesunshine4425 Bavetta did that and came up with some very interesting content. It mentions the death of Skippy … 👀
@@smellthesunshine4425 Thanks! I reached out to Cynthia to see if she'd be willing to share these photos.
@@JeremyMadeArt My pleasure. I assume she already shared it. It's basically my thumbnail for this video.
You’ve done a great job Matt, but you have missed out on a few important things. What about the coin with a bite out of it that “Jack” gave us? And then there is the chest, the BIG tamale, what has everyone missed!!!?
Interesting how we have not one high resolution picture of the inside of chest open.
Pandora’s Box
Looks like we have had the same hobby. Great video. Even if I won the auction on the jar I would not open it ever. It loses all value the minute its opened. PS why is my name inmyopinion651 on here? I didn't put 651
I've always said that I would have opened the jar as soon as I got back to my hotel room! Hard to resist the mystery; and it would have felt like a secret note written only to me.
Good opening line, because this whole thing was a scam perpetrated on many innocent people.
Or is this advertising your own merchandise?
Matt, do think you could come close to the true solve of the poem? Perhaps it’s been told to you since the find. Have you been to where the chest was located?
The game changed after Jack began answering questions. Then it became: Reddit posts, court documents, photographic analysis, etc. All signs point to one location. If you're going to reverse engineer a solve of the poem, a good starting point is to meditate on the lines of the poem that the author interpreted for us. It's a window into his thinking. It should give you interpretive guidelines for the rest. I heard many fanciful interpretations of "tarry scant with marvel gaze" over the years. I heard doctoral theses on the plethora of ideas hidden in these lines, and all the permutations that arrive when you dissect every enigmatic syllable. But the author interpreted it; and that points the way to interpreting the rest.
@@smellthesunshine4425 makes sense, thx for the videos
@@willaware3583 maybe he was telling you it’s best to get out of dodge as quickly as possible once in possession of the chest
@@willaware3583 if Matt knows, that’s fine with me. I’m more interested in the solve than the contents of the chest..peace
@@willaware3583 side note.. I think it’s highly unlikely there are two chests with two contents of treasure as things stand right now. But that doesn’t mean you want have fun looking for that other chest.
I wish I had a frog.
Did you make this video to help the LLC make more money? YES or NO?! 🤔
Heritage has a marketing arm, and the story has been picked up by national media, and even some international outlets. Do you really think obsessing over the minutia of coins, and making bad puns, will boost sales? This was a video for searchers who care (if there are any of us left).
Yes, it's on ongoing scam.
I forgot how much I liked the opening jingle.
If I'm ever a DJ, and I look out into the crowd and see you, I'm definitely putting that track on and pointing at you.
Agreed Rudy. I think Matt needs to do this professionally
@@smellthesunshine4425 The Loose Fur intro.. can you share how you are able to use it for your intro. It doesn’t pop up on my TH-cam music (15 seconds) commons
@@PonteVedraBeachHomes I don't know what to say. I've never monetized, so maybe that affects my usage. The moment Jeff Tweedy reaches out to me and tells me to stop using that song, I'll thank him for all his awesome music and take it down immediately :)
@@smellthesunshine4425 thats great they leave it up, great intro..
Wait! You have stayed gone, but now you give a infomercial on the chest??? Come on dude! Great way to help make your self more suspect.
I can think of a dozen ways to make a better commercial, if that's what I wanted to do. My video will put you to sleep, unless you were an obsessed searcher who devoured the memoir.
Interesting note - None of the gems were present when the treasure chest was opened with Jack, or Dan. He mentioned more than once the two ceylon sapphires, and the hundreds of rubys. It seems odd that the family decided to keep just the gems. Also, with regard to the olive jar - all intellectual property belongs to the Fenn Estate. So whoever wins it, cannot publish what is contained within. This makes me wonder why - Is there a secret in there they don't want revealed?
Also, thinking even more deeply - why would the intellectual property be protected? That implies that someone may know the content of that autobiography?
Forrest told everyone in the Scrapbook that he removed the cosmetic “gems” from the chest. In the memoir, he had mentioned those (genuine) jewels as being part of the dragon bracelet. His descriptions later were technically correct about the chest including sapphires, rubies, and diamonds, but again they were all on the bracelet. Likewise they were present for Jack’s and Dan’s inventories; the bracelet is visible in the photographs. As for the autobiography, what a fascinating legal imbroglio that would make-but I hope it never comes to that. And maybe it’s not a secret but merely a concern about the unknown. We shall see (at least I really hope so).
@@willaware3583 That was always my assumption--same autobiography, different vehicles. But I'm not sure. What I don't understand is why anyone would worry about the copyright issue. Pick up any nonfiction book off your shelves, flip through it. It will be FULL of direct quotations of previously copyrighted material. You can quote whole paragraphs--multiple paragraphs. It's kind of the essence of scholarship to engage another's research. You can make money on a work that quotes heavily from another copyrighted source. You can't write a book called, "What Was In The Jar," and reproduce it word for word. But you absolutely can write a book called, "My Thoughts on What Was In The Jar," and engage it for entertainment or education. Fair use covers that. You don't even have to obtain permission. These legalities apply to the jar and bells equally. I honestly think the only gray area is if you were to acknowledge the source and then proceed to read it word for word on a livestream. I don't think the laws have caught up with the technology. So you have people watching copyrighted TV together on monetized livestreams. Gamers play copyrighted video games on Twitch all day long. In between they play copyrighted music. The olive jar and the "book" inside was created for the finder, and Forrest gave them title to it. He expected them to possess it and read it. And one of the things we do with books is read them aloud, share them. You can't pass off the content as your own, or reproduce the work in whole. But a reading? I think it can be done. I don't think it even qualifies as a book. I think you could make a convincing argument that this is more of a message in a bottle, rather than a copyrighted book.
ITS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY TO TEACH YOU FEDERAL JURISDICTIONAL LAWS *
I’m not your door mat
So who painted the picture shown at 9:39? If it wasn't you, how did you get a copy of it?
That's the photograph on the back cover of the memoir.
I won A slab of gold dust at auction… where do you think he had it stored inside the chest? Perhaps in a jar or spread around the base?
At about the 14:55 mark in this video you can see three cylindrical plastic containers. I'm pretty sure the gold dust was inside these. Either that, or a baggie. Congrats!
@@smellthesunshine4425 thank you.. I will watch it again.
Yes that’s it , I see it on the table at 15:11 … it’s in the container.
It was a hoax. The treasure chest is a fake and so is the olive jar.
Matt, I used to be your biggest fan. Unfortunately, this is the most SUS thing you can do aside from arriving at Fenn’s house the day it was announced that the chest was found. Just come forward already, 😅
Hey, Candy. Seems like we have a huge pile of evidence for Jack and Yellowstone (two years of Reddit posts, private emails, court documents, photographs, lots of confirmation obtained in May/June). How much more do you need? I was caught up in conspiratorial thinking in the summer of 2020, but then the evidence started coming out. Even recently (the latest FOIA); we have a Yellowstone higher-up looking for cause to restrict access to Nine Mile Hole less than a week before Jack was outed. It makes sense that one of the attorneys thought they should know, since they had the agreement from August. And bottom line: Don't you trust Forrest? He was your friend.
@@smellthesunshine4425 seems like u are a scammer and like little bois
@@smellthesunshine4425 you’re forgetting that I spent an entire year researching all of what you just listed. I know exactly what “Jack” did. Where he went, what he said, how he thought- I was doing that before it was the cool thing, the only thing is that I’ve got the auction website and evidence, well, it suggests otherwise. Sorry to say it Matt. You’re always at the scene of the crime. Either “Jack” was piggybacking off of you… or…
@@Indysotak There is no evidence linking me to the auction website. As for Jack, maybe. I have no idea. If it was his, I would have to commend him for trying to unload the chest and being done with the lawsuits and the harassment. But I haven't seen anything linking him to the auction website, and I don't know that it matters. At this point he would probably admit to trying that. Why not? I have yet to hear to a coherent, plausible explanation of events that better accounts for all the evidence than the standard narrative, given to us by Forrest himself. If you would like to email me something like that, I'd be happy to discuss it. You'll need to start with Reddit posts from early 2018. Did the conspiracy start in late 2017? Fine. Show me the evidence for that.
@@smellthesunshine4425 I know where the evidence is because I studied TheCondor2 Reddit database before it was the cool thing to do. Again, I used to look up to you and it wasn’t until recently that I started to see the patterns. I get that the finder wants to stay anonymous, the community is absolutely psychotic- but I can’t get past the patterns, Matt. I’m so SUS of you for many many reasons. The day the auction website shut down the very next day you post a video on the contents of the chest. You popped up on June 5th 2020 with Packer Jack. You asked Marti where GG was searching and you also knew “Jack” was following Marti based on scrapbook 50. I know this chase is a filler for the real story and what’s actually going on, but I can’t get beyond how you keep popping up every single time something goes on. Why would Fenn appoint you to co-host the Fennale? Why were you at his house the day of the announced find and deny it up until the release of Barbarisi’s book? Why were you always looking in the exact area as Marti for NMH and quake lake? Why did you make a video commenting on the permanence of the clues- especially the blaze? How did you know all the way before the find that the blaze would be specific notches in a tree? There’s so much, Matt. I used to think you were my friend, until I realized the people you associate yourself with do nothing but ruin people’s lives for sport. Kinda impossible not to speculate at that point.
93001 if you only knew yet like others you would never listen good
We're you at the 9mh parking area in June 2020?
No. I was searching in Gardiner the first week of June. On Thursday I starting heading south. It was dark and rainy and gross. After a while it even started hailing. I pulled into the first pull-out south of the Gibbon on 89. I took a photo that I later sent to Accuweather. When I got to Madison Junction, there was no reason for me to go west toward Nine Mile Hole or West Yellowstone. I continued south and left through the Park's southern exit.
@@smellthesunshine4425 thank you for your response.
Allright guys. As a thank you for all the inspiration and content I`m giving away what i firmly believe is the right solution. I`m an armchair searcher from Norway that has followed the chase on and off since 2015 but made my discovery fall of 2019. Here we go: Sunburst is the blaze and Ferdig, MT the spot. There used to be a salamander geoglyph SW of the intersection in Ferdig but now Google have updated the image
Ferdig is Norwegian and translates to Finished / Done (same with danish and swedish). The intersection is the X that marks the spot
Browning is home of Brown. Blackfeet is Grizzly-land and Willow Creek or Cut Bank Creek too shallow for paddling
Riches old and new is traditional oil production and shalegas fracking
@@willaware3583 Nah this is it buddy. The more you dig into it, the more clear it will become
I`m gonna dig up the old google earth images of the geoglyph
Crypto is just as much fun. It's starting to bottom good buy time...
Amazing that Yellowstone have now made a legal precedent where similar cases must be treated similar. Yellowstone is now officially trasure-hunt-land !
You've made the same point twice now with the account you created this morning. Not sure why you're hiding. You can keep on making sarcastic comments, or you could engage others with the issue you're raising. It's ludicrous to suggest Yellowstone "didn't mind." When legal counsel from the Department of Interior subpoenas you, I have to image you don't sleep well in the days leading up to that meeting. They hold all the cards. And yes they could have made an example of Forrest. It was probably discussed. I'm sure his age came into consideration. They could have sued him, and it would have been tied up in court even now. Instead they went with a pragmatic approach--gave both parties their marching orders, and threatened to sue Forrest or his heirs if they didn't comply. Forrest didn't say a word to anyone, even Dal; that's how much of an impact that meeting had on him. And Jack hasn't said a word for nine hundred days and counting. The precedent that's been set is clear: If you leave a trove on government land, you'll be visited by the Chief Ranger and a DOI attorney.
@@smellthesunshine4425 you are way too intelligent to believe this. The chest was never in the park
@@yellowstoneisthecoolestparkeve Hard to respond when you don't have an argument.
@@smellthesunshine4425 Yellowstone would take action if they could. They would never in a million years let anyone off the hook like that if they could prove it was actually in the park. come on
@@yellowstoneisthecoolestparkeve That's not really evidence; that's more of a . . . feeling. I'm curious why Chief Ranger Sarah Davis would be in a meeting with Forrest and Jack in August 2020. And then eight or so months later Yellowstone motioned to intervene in the McCracken case when Jack Stuef was about to be deposed and probably name the place where he found the treasure. Why would Yellowstone officials go to all the trouble to stop Jack from naming where he found it?
no proof of yellowstone u sick man
When you call someone names, it shows how strong your evidence is. Well done. And you're right: Yellowstone Chief Ranger Davis and the DOI probably intervened in last spring's judicial proceedings because the chest had nothing to do with her jurisdiction. You're really on top of this.
@@smellthesunshine4425 Yeah. You can't convince the delusional. Matt. #HeadCases 🤕
MATT: This is your claim...."My background is language study, history, philosophy, religion, and interpretation of ancient texts. I like puzzles and games. I'm intrigued by the riddle of the poem."
Take this with love, Matt... But, for a person who claims the above, your work and productions are lackluster, to say the least. I told you years ago, that I found a book that had undeniable parallels and matches to Fenn's "Memoir" and you've brushed me off every time I brought it up. From what I remember, you didn't even read the book. I also remember you telling me that the book was too "religious" and had too many "dates" in it for Fenn to like it... This is funny because the dates you spoke about are also the postmark days used in Fenn's memoir... I remember you telling me that you thought, Flywater, held all the hints that led Jack to the chest... The funniest part of THIS, and I say funny because it's true, is that Fenn did use the book, and I think you, Doug, and Jack knew so...
MATT: On page 256 of the BBB, under the visible date of July 23, and the year 1942, which is the postmark for the Flywater chapter, you can clearly read about a love story between Tom and Bessie, who hired a "guide" to help tour overcrowded lands once traveled, continuing the story by telling of a flyfishing trip that the media perceived as a "Romance" which MAY have been brewing between the two (Fenn mentions people using his favorite fishing spots, "...without knowing YES or NO")...
MATT: Each postmark in Fenn's memoir correlates to a story in the BBB, some of which were historic articles published by "James Swisher" (if you don't know who that is, you really are SUS). The same person who saved Fenn in My War for Me, James Swisher, wrote many an article that paralleled Fenn's memoir stories, for example, a story about Mr. Incognito, who posed as a Marshal for "FOUR" days and was eventually caught (Stouthearted Men) - don't forget that it all happened in a place known for anaphrodisiacs in water (saltpeter) and in an "all-male" territory. It's hard to "MAR" that plan, right MATT?
Yellowstone was "PROBABLY" the right location, but why, MATT? Did you ever think that maybe Forrest proposed to Peggy there, hence the random thought in Flywater, ("...without knowing YES or NO.") Maybe that's what's in the jar, the "...Wedding Ceremony..." paperwork, documenting the moment Fenn caught the best fish of them all, Peggy, his true "treasure"....?
MATT: I found so many matches and parallels in the BBB, and I am not a pro like you, therefore I now find you "SUS". If you would've looked a little more in the BBB book you would've noticed that page 130 (BBB chapter, Courthouses) had the same information as Fenn's page 130 in Gold and More. Same with page 15.
Or, you would've noticed that Bessie was not just a Guernsey Calf, but a person, who lived just over the hill from Guernsey Gulch and Guernsey Creek, and was last seen or heard from on AUG 25 (postmark for "Bessie" and ME)...
You would be smart to stop pushing me away and start listening to what I tell you. Or, you can just read my book and learn the truth at your own slow pace, it's called, The Catalyst: A Mystery of Indulgence.
With or without you, the information about Breckenridge and the Parkville Cemetary will be heard. I believe that you need to get on the right side of where the tree is leaning before it falls.
With love, Ian.
I exchanged emails with you. I read your book. I'm sorry, but I think you fell victim to confirmation bias. If I'm ever shown to be wrong, I'll apologize and do ten videos on you, your Breckenridge book, and why it was special to Forrest. But at this point, I'm going to trust Forrest. I don't think he would have lied to us. He said it was in Wyoming. Thanks for stopping by.
@@smellthesunshine4425 Ditto. #HeadCases 🤕
@@smellthesunshine4425 Whoa! I'm saying that the treasure chest "probably" was found in WY. Exactly, but I'm also saying that I may have found out why... With all due respect, I'm not all Colorado, I've spent many years searching the other states... I do have a WY solve based on that book that can, and probably did, lead to Yellowstone, somewhere inside... but again, seriously, how did you read the book and not see the similar stories, dates, the SAME CHACRATER NAMES, and storylines? Matt, I never told anyone, back in the day, because it was that easy, and I didn't want to give it away. You have to be intentionally denying understanding the book, as a means to deflect a truth. I completely understand confirmation bias as it was a huge part of my book (Apophenia and Pareidolia included, but not limited to...). DYNAMITING THE CHURCHBELL was your answer to Important Literature.
@@ianleirfallom I looked at the Breckenridge book, and I didn't feel like it was the key to unlocking everything. But maybe now that your own book is out, people will see that you were right about it.
@@smellthesunshine4425 I wish I was right about it. That's why I keep asking you for help, or maybe it's validation.
How your drive way is it fixed
Peace be with you
Pardon?
HAY MATT
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