Aries - Why would you think I meant anything so abysmally stupid? Of course not, but by its very nature, child rape often goes decades before anyone listens. The idea of a statute of limitations on ANY rape is absolutely ludicrous, but for child rape, it's infinitely worse.
Love how so many people blast 12 year olds or any teens for not coming forward, for not calling the police. Have you ever been 12? Not raped,not molested...just 12...have you ever been 12? If you have...and I'm guessing most of you have...stop and think for a second before vomiting forth your 'clever-guy' nonsense.
I make no excuse for the adults involved in these types of situations, they need to step up in a lot of situations where instead they fall down. I only was saying to think like a kid for a second before throwing crap about how they should have handled it. Everyone is attributing serious coping and critical thinking after a violation, to a child, and that's grossly unfair.
I have been told by a few people that my daughter who is now 11 should go into modeling because she has the looks and personality. I did look into it and there are contracts that state parents are not allow on sets. O hell no that’s not going to happen.
Got a friend who told her social worker her dad molested her when she was 12, and nothing happened to her dad. She got sent to a group home for kids with behavior problems because she had run away from home, ran away _to_ her social worker's office. It's particularly heartbreaking when a sex crime happens to a kid.
What many commemters on this video don't understand is that pedophiles target CHILDREN. This situation sounds typical in that the alleged criminal groomed her parents and her in order to gain easy access to his victim. Children are easily intimidated; often they don't understand why they're being targeted, feel deep shame at being targeted, and frequently blame themselves for being targeted. The fact that despite reports of this crime the alleged criminal wasn't punished would only have reinforced the (at that time) child's self-blame and shame. And pedophiles usually understand this, and use it against their victims.
Do you know why people are too scared to come forward? Just read the comments. The lack of compassion is heartbreaking. And we wonder how Trump became president. Because there are way too many people who have no empathy.
That type of fuckery messes people up and the memories stay with you until your casket drops. No amount of counseling and therapy will ever erase those memories. The best you can do is try to suppress them 😪😪😪😪😪
This makes me mad, sad and horrified at what she went through. She has been one of my fav actresses for years and her standing up for herself makes me proud of her as a fan and as a human being. Eliza Dushku is a warrior.
So after the accident and they were suspicious of why it happened being that they believed her, what baffles me is why didn't those people call the police? They failed her miserably.
Her family didn't "not know how to handle it" because it was a taboo topic at the time. 20 years ago, we frowned upon child molesters, it was not taboo. Her family didn't do anything because they didn't want their little cash cow's career over before it began. The same reason that none of the adults in her life called the police. They all wanted to look the other way and cash their checks.
Melanie Jecker No they probably didn’t want their 12 year old to get dragged through the mud and persecuted in the media. They were probably trying to protect her. How could you make such an awful assumption about her parents. Your comments are just as hateful as all the assholes on here acting like it’s ok to sexually molest children.
Bodybuildingking---> Not sure when she told her, but she DID, right? And Jamie doesn't 'seem' like the type to lie... So, what was your point? And why are you pointing it out? Apparently, you don't believe her? OR, you'd realize you didn't NEED to make this silly point. So, which is it? Simple ignorance or blatantly arrogant?
Bodybuildingking---> 1. Again; "...you'd realize you didn't NEED to make this silly point." Or not. 2. I pointed out; I BELIEVE her, bc Jamie backed her claim-aside telling others. Which MOOTS your point. It doesn't matter WHEN she told her. Jamie backed her claim, period? And shorter post next time. Seems like you are trying DESPERATELY to defend your actions...
Bodybuildingking---> Once AGAIN, guy. "...you'd realize you didn't NEED to make this silly point." Or not, again. It doesn't matter WHEN she told Jamie. She 'backed' her claim, period. After telling Jamie her story, she believed her. What the FCK are you missing? I've already 'conceded' your point, how the FCK do you KEEP missing mine? WHEN SHE TOLD HER, IS IRRELEVANT. JAMIE BACKS HER CLAIM BC SHE BELIEVES HER! WHEN doesn't fcking MATTER!
You need to understand ~why~ there's a statute of limitations. Someone accused of a crime has the right to defend themselves, which is impossible to due against 20 & 40 yr old allegations. Unfortunately in 2018 the justice system run through social media & no SoL applies.
Wow- I can't believe after he molested her he ALSO then put her LIFE at risk. She could have suffered much worse than broken ribs.... that's an incredibly traumatic experience to have gone through can you even imagine??? I can't. To be so violated, and THEN BROKEN! And to have to even BE in a hospital environment and in pain. How awful. The people who stand by and do nothing because they'd rather not get involved 🙄 makes me so angry. Grow some balls! Stand up for others when you witness injustice
I love how the men here keep saying she didn't come forward because she wanted a career. LOL I can't wait till you mighty men get a taste of your own medicine. You think a TWELVE year old little girl has any idea how to handle such a situation? I was 5 when I was molested my a family member. I spoke up. I was told not to worry about it, that mistakes happen by men who don't know better. This is a cultural issue. She did nothing wrong and she is brave to speak her truth now, names and all.
Amber Portland "He must have been drunk / Think about his own little girls and boys / You just dreamed it / It would kill your Nana if she found out / It will tear the family apart. / You're just attention seeking. " Know the script.
Yup. They've got every classic excuse in the book ready to go. "She did it for her career." "She only called it assault after she felt ashamed the next day." "It was only harassment because she didn't find the guy who was flirting attractive." "She just wants money." "She was upset because he dumped her." .... Yet, they seem allergic to the one big obvious one... "He assaulted her."
I don't think there are that many people here that are accusing her for not going to the police about it. The really disgusting thing is that her parents didn't!
Reading her statement on this made my heart break. I've adored Eliza as she played Faith in Buffy and she really inspired me! No one ever deserves the horror she went through! He abused his power what a sicko!
We can't get him necessarily on the rape, but we can get him on attempted murder right? She was telling people he molested her, so he put her in a situation where she nearly died. Means, motive, opportunity. It's all right there, with no statue of limitations. This guy needs to be arrested ASAP.
Not really. How would you admit an unproven allegation into the court for the jury to decide? The case would be really flimsy if the jury wasn't allowed to hear about the circumstances leading up to an "attempted murder". It would just look like an accident and the court probably wouldn't even take the case.
It’s getting to the point where I can’t ever watch another movie. I loved Kevin Spacey movies & now his face makes me want to throw up. I’ve loved Elisa’s work since Buffy the Vampire slayer & I’m truly sorry for her suffering
It all comes back to what Corey Feldman was and is still talking about til this very of what has been and is still going on in Hollywood with child actors. I think it all comes back to the parents. You know, don’t send your kids off anywhere without YOU! not a manager or “guardian”. The parent(s) needs to be present all times. Otherwise things like this happen. It’s not the child’s fault at all. there are sick and evil people in this world. And majority of them dress in disguise. But anyway I’m glad for her to be brave and share her story.
So she told her parents & her on set guardian WTH!! Not one of them filed a police report...smdh! One of the main job requirements of a guardian on set... is to make sure she is safe.Yet,this person just told a few higher ups but no calls to police😩not one!...single!...damn! ..report was filed with police🤦🏻♀️
It's almost as if ... it never happened, and the accident was because the Head person in charge of safety for stunts was ya know.... highly distracted & perhaps even hurt emotionally by someone accusing him of being a pedophile, and it's more likely that someone who has to plan shit out full stop and account for some insane details for shit like stunts, just might be unable to fully do that job if someone literally accuses them of such a serious crime.
Sorry but what is wrong with the parents? It just seems that some parents of young actors just give their kids away to be able to be connected to the film industry.
Did you miss the part where it says he was "trusted" and that they were told that there would be other people there, kids and adults. He lied to them. That's what they do. Abusers and gas lighters lie. This isn't difficult if you actually bother to pay attention.
Richard O He (apparently) gained their trust before the incident. After the incident, someone would have told the parents, and the parents did not go to the police. That's the bit that's not sitting right, throwing all motivations before and after into a shady light.
My question is why didn’t Sue Boothe Ford go to the police? This is why parents need to monitor their children on movie sets. I wouldn’t trust anyone alone with my child on a movie set.
PumpkinsnBlackcats I don’t know whether this actress’s story is credible or not. With a lot of these accusations, some of these stories are flimsy. I’m just saying that if a 12 year old girl came to me saying: “some 36 year old man molested her.” I’m going to the police. Furthermore, why would her parents or onset guardian let her go to a 36 year-old man’s house alone? That doesn’t mean he did anything to her necessarily, but I find it strange that these adults hear this story of abuse from a child, and no one calls the authorities.
i don't know about anyone else, but since all this scandal surrounding hollywood started gushing the way i watch movies has changed. now i cam't help wondering when i watch pretty much any actress what sort of abuse she may have had to endure in order to get the job. i don't doubt for an instant that the problem is more rampant than any of us realize, and it's probably not even slowing down much despite all this attention. i've always liked watching movies a lot, and now i'm enjoying them a little less
How does a 12 year old child get left out of sight of her parents into the hands of a movie stunt guy whom subsequently molested her ? I'm sure there a method to this but I'm seriously wondering were the parents and every other responsible adult was around the set at those times. He must have felt pretty comfortable with getting this 12 year old child away from everybody and he was obviously pretty sure it was seen as so normal or nobody cared/payed any attention that he knew he could molest her and get away with it too. Children in Hollywood should be watched like hawks by their parents, other responsible adults and child protective services to make sure these types of pedofile predators don't get a window of opportunity to pounce on their prey, because it happens way too often that these predators manage to get themselves into positions of trust or authority in these children's lives.
Aries Money and career opportunities definitely had president over a 12 year old girls safety and bodily sanctity in this perticular case that's for sure.
Well her parents at the time should never have allowed Eliza to go with Krammer to begin with. What do you think the intentions are of a 36 year old man who wants to hangout with a 12 year old girl alone are?
It's one thing when you tell someone what happened to you, but the sting is always worse when they do nothing. For those who want to argue about benefit of doubts, sure, but that doesn't mean you dismiss a claim either or you are part of the problem.
Why are the police never involved at the time? I mean adults knew...there is no excuse for those adults not going to the police. What the hell is wrong with people??
What people need to understand was at the time this took place the culture was incredibly different around child molestation, families seemed to want to handle it at home and not involve the police cause it was seen as embarrassing and uncomfortable. When Iwas molested as a kid the police never got involved, we just sort of moved away and pretended it never happened. There was a conflict the guy got yelled at but thats basically the jist of it, Calling the police just wasn't the first thought.
It still happens today and often because families are worried that their already traumatised child will have to go through more trauma or be stigmatised and blamed as many in this comment section are doing.
I dunno if my family thought that far ahead about it, it was just the natural reaction for them to handle it personnally, fighting, yelling, threats, never occured to them to seek legal aid. And i imagine its probably the same with alot of other families. I dunno if it has deeper thoughts behind it about prolonging the process infact id say most are just unccomfortable and dont wanna talk or think about it themselves.
+McRocket We are not sending this guy to jail or putting him in the electric chair--we are the court of public opinion. A jury determines whether the guy is to be charged with a crime. We are asking whether the accusations are credible--we are looking at the evidence and making an informed judgment. When (or if) the guy goes to court, he will be assumed innocent by his peers unless the prosecution convinces them otherwise. Long story short, the accused is not having his constitutional rights revoked. We don't know all the facts of the case, but the claims made by the different parties are credible. The guy obviously did it i.e. he is a manipulative monster who molests children. I can say that and I'm not violating his right to the presumption of innocence.
This might shed more light onto, why Eliza Dushki didn't get high profile roles, in spite of her apparent talent, the thing that was reported/analyzed last year.
I've been waiting for her to do a decent TV show for over a decade. I've been a fan since Buffy and I always found it weird that there hasn't been anything big since Tru Calling. Maybe she tried to get into movies and just chose the wrong ones or maybe there was something else going on...who knows :(
See how far we have come? That we can actually have people publicly talk about a subject that makes everyone uncomfortable, opinionated, retaliatory and thoughtless. Please remember she was 12. 12. Great commentary, I'll be watching you more often.
This explains so much to me. If you have seen Eliza's earlier work in movies, specifically, soul survivors, you will see that she is so messed up, and you wonder how could a young woman act so crazy? The story she is telling makes total perfect sense. I am a fan of Eliza, she is a beautiful person inside and out.
not one person can argue against her claims...not trying to be funny...but, her net worth is $10M. There's not one monetary reason why she would throw his name into the fire unless her claims are true. i believe her and others that are stepping up.
Sean Hayes It's a statement of her potential benefit. People are often discredited in the public sphere by way of suggesting a monetary motivation, such as a settlement, which is less likely in a rich person that isn't asking for money. In other words, you know what their point was. Shut up.
It doesn't matter if we're in a courtroom or not. We shouldn't believe people with no evidence, that's just plain wrong. Guilty until proven innocent should be applied everywhere.
It still commes down 2 these parents, when r they gonna listen 2 everything around them and NOT LET YOUR CHILDREN GO WITH THESE MEN, no matter how much u think u trust them, why would a grown man want 2 take your daughter out 4 sushi? Come on think about it, her family members didn't say anything because she was probably making good money
The biggest difference with this story which makes it almost instantly sound true and this is not to claim that any of the others are not true as well, however the difference with this story and many of the others is that in today's climate Dushku is way more famous than Cramer in this instance she has far more to lose than he does. Again not saying that others aren't true and even this example I"m going to give, some of the others seem suspicious in the time of coming forward for instance James Franco accusers seemed to at the very least hit the news almost immediately after he won an award. Again not saying that it's not true and he's innocent however when people decide to come forth almost in reaction to these celebrities having a super popular movie come out or winning an award it seems like there is more of a motive than sharing their story and trying to stop others from being assaulted.
Bob Rolander - Some of the episodes I’m thinking about now in retrospect are haunting now.... (thinking about inappropriate love/affection, sex as a weapon / sexual vulnerability). Poor, poor child.
"A taboo topic"? Anna, it has NEVER been taboo for a parent to protect their child against sexual predation. So sick of trial by media. That said, if that is the only way of getting attention or getting even, I'd do it too.
itsok215. exactly, parents who put their kiddz into the Hollywood system should lose their custody, nobody likes child actors anyway just put sum make up on a midget for fuccs sake!
Bethany Gee He'd befriended the entire family over time and invited their daughter to what he'd described a pool party, where it was implied there would be other kids. Classic M.O. of a predator. Parents were dense AF, yes, but their little girl suffered. Your post could be misconstrued to imply blame on the part if the victim. Avoid that. It's dangerous.
Ughhhhh... ok. I watched the video and I understand how it happened. My question is still valid. A person was hired to accompany her and didn't, apparently, on more than one occasion. If any blame was implied, it's very clearly for the individuals tasked with caring for her and not the victim. Your tone can be misconstrued as preachy and annoying. Avoid that.
I just checked, there is a statute of limitation for sexual offences against a minor in California, which expired 9 years ago in this case. If a complainant comes forward by the age of 28, a case can be brought. Eliza Dushku is now 37.
There are 9 states where there isn't, It's weird to me that there are 41 where there is. I'm used to living somewhere that sexual offences against children are considered so heinous that people can be and are successfully prosecuted 30 or more years after the time of the offences. It does feel like this California law has more of an effect of giving relief to a perpetrator who remains unindicted long enough, more than it allows a reasonable period of time to the victim.
It has more to do with... a crime two decades past being unprovable & a complete waste of time, with most of it relying on testimony of people whom had it happen over two decades ago. -- Not only will you only be able to tell them what you feel happened, that any proof outside that is so long gone, if it happened at all, that it's insane. If there was enough evidence to begin with for a conviction, and you've held onto it for that long, then you no longer are a victim you are literally your own conspirator against your younger self, as you've chosen to not help by withholding evidence that it would need.
Yes there's an element of reflecting the lesser chance of securing a conviction, but that's a matter for courts, not the legislature. The limitation imposed by a statute of limitations is established by the legislature, and implicitly has the effect of giving a perpetrator who avoids identification or even where their identity is known, denunciation a pass.The purposes of protection of society and it's members, and the interests of justice are sacrificed where statutes of limitation cause events to become unactionable.. This makes remedy unavailable. Those are also all pertinent legal concerns.
It’s too bad Forbes didn’t just call the police. I know it would have made a sh*tstorm and it might have ruined both their careers (Though if James Cameron was serious about “no mercy,” maybe not.), but at that time they would have had a better chance at gathering any evidence. One would hope the studio wouldn’t have made it go away. She is so brave to come forward after having it pushed under the rug for so long. I hope statute of limitations hasn’t run out on criminal charges. She could possibly hit him with a civil suit, but I’d like to see something more substantial. Consequences are important.
Ok here is this. If this was my child and she comes to me this info I would first call the police and put this on record then I would go to the director and say listen bubs my child is not shooting one more min before this is dealt with! Right now right here. That’s just me.
All these stories that are coming out are just devastating. The film industry is just the perfect situation for people to take advantage of others, it's terrifying and so awful to hear what these men and women went through and kept inside all these years. The amount of assaults coming to light is just mind-boggling, however, I am so glad that these victims of such traumatic events are finally feeling empowered (for lack of a better word) to tell their stories and hopefully get some kind of resolution and justice for themselves.
If all these people knew what happened, why didn't anyone go to the police and file charges? That guardian was on set to protect her and also didn't go to the police? Great protection there.
What is interesting in these comments how man men say it never happened. If you are a woman and have that staunch view, please reply. I won't argue at all I just find it interesting seems like only men reply like this. Why I wonder? Maybe because most women have been assaulted and all have been harassed.
Vee K. I notice that as well🤔 she was a 12 year old girl. Men REALLY don't get it unless it has happened to someone that they know personally. And then they still have misgivings.
People feared those in power. Still do. They are indoctrinated to believe internal review will handle it. You live long enough you learn don't count on it.
i am careful w/these things. But i read Eliza statement, & Jamie from the set at the time. this is not the same as the rest of the me too nonsense. & there is more. but it has, perhaps, been too long.
nice work. but there would be a statute of limitations of likely 6 at most 12yrs. & even where that has recently changed, im, not sure if it has been tested as to being retrospective or not yet. it s just a horrible situation. that is a real kid & some real bad hollywood biz. & ppl really knowing at the time & not doing anything. Or not doing enough. Or not wanting to, or not feeling able. Probably correctly for all the reasons they feared at the time, articulated or not. it is all just awful.
Jaii Raph if it happened, it's awful.. I wouldn't completely rule it out. The concern was her story of that night. I'll give her that she was young, but the claims are conflicting. The people with him that night confirmed his story. Though they could of forgot or lied for him. It sucks if it happened, but if it didn't happen, then she ruined an innocent man's life. I guess we will never know.
Lets say shes making all this up… lets say she let her imagination get the best of her… what us a 40 y/o man doing in a hoteo room alone with a 12 y/o girl… he did that shit… and should be held accountable
Important article. Would be better if read correctly. Important to be correct if you expect people to believe you are credible. This is how misinformation is formed.
There should be NO statute of limitations on child rape. Period.
It should be more carefully examined, as grown women can have hidden motives to falsely accuse.
Aries - Why would you think I meant anything so abysmally stupid? Of course not, but by its very nature, child rape often goes decades before anyone listens. The idea of a statute of limitations on ANY rape is absolutely ludicrous, but for child rape, it's infinitely worse.
Love how so many people blast 12 year olds or any teens for not coming forward, for not calling the police. Have you ever been 12? Not raped,not molested...just 12...have you ever been 12? If you have...and I'm guessing most of you have...stop and think for a second before vomiting forth your 'clever-guy' nonsense.
I can understand that many 12 year olds would be too shocked / confused / scared to call the police, but PARENTS??
I make no excuse for the adults involved in these types of situations, they need to step up in a lot of situations where instead they fall down. I only was saying to think like a kid for a second before throwing crap about how they should have handled it. Everyone is attributing serious coping and critical thinking after a violation, to a child, and that's grossly unfair.
@@penzotoko6619 if you don’t report it you are responsible for it happening to another young girl
@@-M0LE Bullshit. It's not the victims responsibility for what a perpetrator does.
@@penzotoko6619 but how could they live knowing they allowed it to happen to someone else
I have been told by a few people that my daughter who is now 11 should go into modeling because she has the looks and personality. I did look into it and there are contracts that state parents are not allow on sets. O hell no that’s not going to happen.
Watch out with kids in that age bracket. That's the most important setup for their lives most likely.
Got a friend who told her social worker her dad molested her when she was 12, and nothing happened to her dad. She got sent to a group home for kids with behavior problems because she had run away from home, ran away _to_ her social worker's office. It's particularly heartbreaking when a sex crime happens to a kid.
jawas stole my droid damn. Smh
What many commemters on this video don't understand is that pedophiles target CHILDREN. This situation sounds typical in that the alleged criminal groomed her parents and her in order to gain easy access to his victim. Children are easily intimidated; often they don't understand why they're being targeted, feel deep shame at being targeted, and frequently blame themselves for being targeted.
The fact that despite reports of this crime the alleged criminal wasn't punished would only have reinforced the (at that time) child's self-blame and shame. And pedophiles usually understand this, and use it against their victims.
Well said.
Do you know why people are too scared to come forward? Just read the comments. The lack of compassion is heartbreaking. And we wonder how Trump became president. Because there are way too many people who have no empathy.
the sad, and disturbing thing is, people now look at this sort of thing as just another "aspect" of life. in fact, "normal" deviant behaviour!
But she DID come forward right after it happened! And then her parents let her down by deciding not to act on it!
@@djstuntfox if you don’t come forward your allowing another person to suffer what you did
Corey Feldman tried to warn y'all but, everyone called him crazy.
Bryan Jones except he wants to make money by revealing the sick people. Why not just say names?
That type of fuckery messes people up and the memories stay with you until your casket drops. No amount of counseling and therapy will ever erase those memories. The best you can do is try to suppress them 😪😪😪😪😪
Damn, does anything get produced in Hollywood without someone getting raped or molested?
Cartoons, possibly.
This makes me mad, sad and horrified at what she went through. She has been one of my fav actresses for years and her standing up for herself makes me proud of her as a fan and as a human being. Eliza Dushku is a warrior.
That she is , I always respected her strength as a person & as an actress & tell her story 👏
The adults in her life failed her.
So after the accident and they were suspicious of why it happened being that they believed her, what baffles me is why didn't those people call the police? They failed her miserably.
That explains her start in substance abuse from age 13 and alcoholism struggle.
P.T.S.D…Same could be said about Corey Haim as another example, happen's to young boy's also
True. I hope she gets the healing and assistance that she needs
Her family didn't "not know how to handle it" because it was a taboo topic at the time. 20 years ago, we frowned upon child molesters, it was not taboo. Her family didn't do anything because they didn't want their little cash cow's career over before it began. The same reason that none of the adults in her life called the police. They all wanted to look the other way and cash their checks.
Melanie Jecker No they probably didn’t want their 12 year old to get dragged through the mud and persecuted in the media. They were probably trying to protect her. How could you make such an awful assumption about her parents. Your comments are just as hateful as all the assholes on here acting like it’s ok to sexually molest children.
I HAVE to believe it.
Even Jamie Lee Curtis said; Dushku told her about it.
That's too many people, for it to be false.
Bodybuildingking---> Not sure when she told her, but she DID, right? And Jamie doesn't 'seem' like the type to lie...
So, what was your point? And why are you pointing it out?
Apparently, you don't believe her? OR, you'd realize you didn't NEED to make this silly point.
So, which is it? Simple ignorance or blatantly arrogant?
Bodybuildingking---> 1. Again; "...you'd realize you didn't NEED to make this silly point." Or not.
2. I pointed out; I BELIEVE her, bc Jamie backed her claim-aside telling others.
Which MOOTS your point. It doesn't matter WHEN she told her. Jamie backed her claim, period?
And shorter post next time. Seems like you are trying DESPERATELY to defend your actions...
Bodybuildingking---> Once AGAIN, guy. "...you'd realize you didn't NEED to make this silly point." Or not, again.
It doesn't matter WHEN she told Jamie. She 'backed' her claim, period. After telling Jamie her story, she believed her. What the FCK are you missing? I've already 'conceded' your point, how the FCK do you KEEP missing mine? WHEN SHE TOLD HER, IS IRRELEVANT. JAMIE BACKS HER CLAIM BC SHE BELIEVES HER! WHEN doesn't fcking MATTER!
Statute of limitations should never run out.
You need to understand ~why~ there's a statute of limitations. Someone accused of a crime has the right to defend themselves, which is impossible to due against 20 & 40 yr old allegations. Unfortunately in 2018 the justice system run through social media & no SoL applies.
Wow- I can't believe after he molested her he ALSO then put her LIFE at risk. She could have suffered much worse than broken ribs.... that's an incredibly traumatic experience to have gone through can you even imagine??? I can't. To be so violated, and THEN BROKEN! And to have to even BE in a hospital environment and in pain. How awful. The people who stand by and do nothing because they'd rather not get involved 🙄 makes me so angry. Grow some balls! Stand up for others when you witness injustice
bodybalancer agreed. This is crazy and sad at the same time smh
I love how the men here keep saying she didn't come forward because she wanted a career. LOL
I can't wait till you mighty men get a taste of your own medicine.
You think a TWELVE year old little girl has any idea how to handle such a situation?
I was 5 when I was molested my a family member. I spoke up. I was told not to worry about it, that mistakes happen by men who don't know better.
This is a cultural issue. She did nothing wrong and she is brave to speak her truth now, names and all.
Amber Portland "He must have been drunk / Think about his own little girls and boys / You just dreamed it / It would kill your Nana if she found out / It will tear the family apart. / You're just attention seeking. " Know the script.
Yup. They've got every classic excuse in the book ready to go.
"She did it for her career."
"She only called it assault after she felt ashamed the next day."
"It was only harassment because she didn't find the guy who was flirting attractive."
"She just wants money."
"She was upset because he dumped her."
.... Yet, they seem allergic to the one big obvious one...
"He assaulted her."
I don't think there are that many people here that are accusing her for not going to the police about it. The really disgusting thing is that her parents didn't!
See this is a metoo story that should be taken serious.
Its not some ambiguous shit and theres actual corroboration.
Hope they get this dude.
Cory Feldman was right
now I can see why she always looked so angry.
Eliza Dushku... hope you can get some justice and healing.
Reading her statement on this made my heart break. I've adored Eliza as she played Faith in Buffy and she really inspired me! No one ever deserves the horror she went through! He abused his power what a sicko!
You could never convince me to let my child go off with a grown ass man. NEVER!!
says the idiot that supported roy moore.
We can't get him necessarily on the rape, but we can get him on attempted murder right?
She was telling people he molested her, so he put her in a situation where she nearly died. Means, motive, opportunity. It's all right there, with no statue of limitations. This guy needs to be arrested ASAP.
Not really. How would you admit an unproven allegation into the court for the jury to decide? The case would be really flimsy if the jury wasn't allowed to hear about the circumstances leading up to an "attempted murder". It would just look like an accident and the court probably wouldn't even take the case.
It’s getting to the point where I can’t ever watch another movie. I loved Kevin Spacey movies & now his face makes me want to throw up. I’ve loved Elisa’s work since Buffy the Vampire slayer & I’m truly sorry for her suffering
Jayne Davis agreed
they should start making the font larger on Ana's printouts
It all comes back to what Corey Feldman was and is still talking about til this very of what has been and is still going on in Hollywood with child actors. I think it all comes back to the parents. You know, don’t send your kids off anywhere without YOU! not a manager or “guardian”. The parent(s) needs to be present all times. Otherwise things like this happen. It’s not the child’s fault at all. there are sick and evil people in this world. And majority of them dress in disguise. But anyway I’m glad for her to be brave and share her story.
Don't put your kids in Hollywood.
I believe her. But why do these parents trust their children, especially daughters, with these predators~
Maybe 500Gs is worth it to them.
Corey Feldman had the same story about his parents trusting the dude who diddled him.
The part where the stunt coordinator allegedly retaliated at Dushku by getting her injured on set is like something out of a movie.
Durodes Duvo movies derived from a director (teams) imagination or real life.. if you can imagine it, some where in this world.. it has happened
"Out of her imagination?" He has had that defense prepared since she was a kid. Lol
Those parents were as dim as a scented candle
So she told her parents & her on set guardian WTH!! Not one of them filed a police report...smdh! One of the main job requirements of a guardian on set... is to make sure she is safe.Yet,this person just told a few higher ups but no calls to police😩not one!...single!...damn! ..report was filed with police🤦🏻♀️
It's almost as if ... it never happened, and the accident was because the Head person in charge of safety for stunts was ya know.... highly distracted & perhaps even hurt emotionally by someone accusing him of being a pedophile, and it's more likely that someone who has to plan shit out full stop and account for some insane details for shit like stunts, just might be unable to fully do that job if someone literally accuses them of such a serious crime.
The parents did not want to jeopardize her career and the money it brought THEM...they should be in jail
The LA police are used to looking the other way, and covering for Hollywood $$ and powerbrokers. Paed/ rape central.
Sorry but what is wrong with the parents? It just seems that some parents of young actors just give their kids away to be able to be connected to the film industry.
doris collins true. Like o'reilly says, where are the fathers?
Why did her parents let their daughter out with a 30something
money.
Did you miss the part where it says he was "trusted" and that they were told that there would be other people there, kids and adults. He lied to them. That's what they do. Abusers and gas lighters lie. This isn't difficult if you actually bother to pay attention.
Richard O He (apparently) gained their trust before the incident. After the incident, someone would have told the parents, and the parents did not go to the police. That's the bit that's not sitting right, throwing all motivations before and after into a shady light.
wtf is wrong with her parents letting him take her out weird Af
My question is why didn’t Sue Boothe Ford go to the police? This is why parents need to monitor their children on movie sets. I wouldn’t trust anyone alone with my child on a movie set.
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I don’t know whether this actress’s story is credible or not. With a lot of these accusations, some of these stories are flimsy.
I’m just saying that if a 12 year old girl came to me saying: “some 36 year old man molested her.” I’m going to the police.
Furthermore, why would her parents or onset guardian let her go to a 36 year-old man’s house alone?
That doesn’t mean he did anything to her necessarily, but I find it strange that these adults hear this story of abuse from a child, and no one calls the authorities.
i don't know about anyone else, but since all this scandal surrounding hollywood started gushing the way i watch movies has changed. now i cam't help wondering when i watch pretty much any actress what sort of abuse she may have had to endure in order to get the job. i don't doubt for an instant that the problem is more rampant than any of us realize, and it's probably not even slowing down much despite all this attention. i've always liked watching movies a lot, and now i'm enjoying them a little less
How does a 12 year old child get left out of sight of her parents into the hands of a movie stunt guy whom subsequently molested her ? I'm sure there a method to this but I'm seriously wondering were the parents and every other responsible adult was around the set at those times.
He must have felt pretty comfortable with getting this 12 year old child away from everybody and he was obviously pretty sure it was seen as so normal or nobody cared/payed any attention that he knew he could molest her and get away with it too.
Children in Hollywood should be watched like hawks by their parents, other responsible adults and child protective services to make sure these types of pedofile predators don't get a window of opportunity to pounce on their prey, because it happens way too often that these predators manage to get themselves into positions of trust or authority in these children's lives.
Aries Money and career opportunities definitely had president over a 12 year old girls safety and bodily sanctity in this perticular case that's for sure.
Well her parents at the time should never have allowed Eliza to go with Krammer to begin with. What do you think the intentions are of a 36 year old man who wants to hangout with a 12 year old girl alone are?
I' am sorry for Eliza Dushku. She has always been one of my favorites sense Buffy.
Well at least he can run for Senate now.
Drop that bomb!
It's one thing when you tell someone what happened to you, but the sting is always worse when they do nothing. For those who want to argue about benefit of doubts, sure, but that doesn't mean you dismiss a claim either or you are part of the problem.
Ana always ALWAYS, screws up words when reading news quotes. Nobody ever corrects her.
I think she may need a new prescription for her reading specs or a bigger font on print outs. Seriously.
Cenk does all the time....
Why are the police never involved at the time? I mean adults knew...there is no excuse for those adults not going to the police. What the hell is wrong with people??
If this is true then everyone on that set needs to be prosecuted for allowing him to molest a child.
What people need to understand was at the time this took place the culture was incredibly different around child molestation, families seemed to want to handle it at home and not involve the police cause it was seen as embarrassing and uncomfortable.
When Iwas molested as a kid the police never got involved, we just sort of moved away and pretended it never happened. There was a conflict the guy got yelled at but thats basically the jist of it, Calling the police just wasn't the first thought.
It still happens today and often because families are worried that their already traumatised child will have to go through more trauma or be stigmatised and blamed as many in this comment section are doing.
I dunno if my family thought that far ahead about it, it was just the natural reaction for them to handle it personnally, fighting, yelling, threats, never occured to them to seek legal aid. And i imagine its probably the same with alot of other families. I dunno if it has deeper thoughts behind it about prolonging the process infact id say most are just unccomfortable and dont wanna talk or think about it themselves.
Please can I just say it took me 20 years to admit the abuse I suffered. When I did my dad continued to sexualise the perpetrator.
Can you explain this more?
I’m sorry man. Brave of you to come forward.
Lol
She probably felt finally empowered after Oprah’s speech at the Golden Globes, about speaking your truth, and speaking truth to power
Say the names the only way to fix it is by identifying the the people covering the perpetrator
her readin makin me cringe
I have no reason to believe she is lying.
But everyone please remember...it IS 'innocent until proven guilty'.
+McRocket We are not sending this guy to jail or putting him in the electric chair--we are the court of public opinion. A jury determines whether the guy is to be charged with a crime. We are asking whether the accusations are credible--we are looking at the evidence and making an informed judgment. When (or if) the guy goes to court, he will be assumed innocent by his peers unless the prosecution convinces them otherwise. Long story short, the accused is not having his constitutional rights revoked. We don't know all the facts of the case, but the claims made by the different parties are credible. The guy obviously did it i.e. he is a manipulative monster who molests children. I can say that and I'm not violating his right to the presumption of innocence.
This might shed more light onto, why Eliza Dushki didn't get high profile roles, in spite of her apparent talent, the thing that was reported/analyzed last year.
I've been waiting for her to do a decent TV show for over a decade. I've been a fan since Buffy and I always found it weird that there hasn't been anything big since Tru Calling. Maybe she tried to get into movies and just chose the wrong ones or maybe there was something else going on...who knows :(
Looks more like he wanted to kill and silence her with that so called on set accident.
See how far we have come? That we can actually have people publicly talk about a subject that makes everyone uncomfortable, opinionated, retaliatory and thoughtless. Please remember she was 12. 12. Great commentary, I'll be watching you more often.
Walz is a sex offender
This explains so much to me. If you have seen Eliza's earlier work in movies, specifically, soul survivors, you will see that she is so messed up, and you wonder how could a young woman act so crazy? The story she is telling makes total perfect sense. I am a fan of Eliza, she is a beautiful person inside and out.
CR spring17 wow. Interesting. I didn’t notice that about her
In all actuality, yeah that is pretty crazy when you think about it.
not one person can argue against her claims...not trying to be funny...but, her net worth is $10M. There's not one monetary reason why she would throw his name into the fire unless her claims are true. i believe her and others that are stepping up.
yeah, rich people can't lie!
Sean Hayes It's a statement of her potential benefit. People are often discredited in the public sphere by way of suggesting a monetary motivation, such as a settlement, which is less likely in a rich person that isn't asking for money.
In other words, you know what their point was. Shut up.
It doesn't matter if we're in a courtroom or not. We shouldn't believe people with no evidence, that's just plain wrong. Guilty until proven innocent should be applied everywhere.
yeah, people have never done anything ever unless it's for money.
Sean Hayes Of course people can have varying motives to lie. Lying to guard yourself from claims of pedophilia, for instance.
It still commes down 2 these parents, when r they gonna listen 2 everything around them and NOT LET YOUR CHILDREN GO WITH THESE MEN, no matter how much u think u trust them, why would a grown man want 2 take your daughter out 4 sushi? Come on think about it, her family members didn't say anything because she was probably making good money
The biggest difference with this story which makes it almost instantly sound true and this is not to claim that any of the others are not true as well, however the difference with this story and many of the others is that in today's climate Dushku is way more famous than Cramer in this instance she has far more to lose than he does.
Again not saying that others aren't true and even this example I"m going to give, some of the others seem suspicious in the time of coming forward for instance James Franco accusers seemed to at the very least hit the news almost immediately after he won an award. Again not saying that it's not true and he's innocent however when people decide to come forth almost in reaction to these celebrities having a super popular movie come out or winning an award it seems like there is more of a motive than sharing their story and trying to stop others from being assaulted.
Now we can understand the anger that she could so perfectly portray as the character _Faith_ in the _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_ franchise.
Bob Rolander - Some of the episodes I’m thinking about now in retrospect are haunting now.... (thinking about inappropriate love/affection, sex as a weapon / sexual vulnerability). Poor, poor child.
"A taboo topic"? Anna, it has NEVER been taboo for a parent to protect their child against sexual predation. So sick of trial by media. That said, if that is the only way of getting attention or getting even, I'd do it too.
She should have told Arnold he would have kicked his ass
Henry Townshed yeah! Tom Arnold would have killed him with his bare hands!
Anna needs to get hooked on phonics.
I'm not a fan, but that's terrible. I would never wish anyone this pain.
I'm afraid it will take 5-10 years until we know how far we've come.
Your parents sold u to him sweetie
itsok215. exactly, parents who put their kiddz into the Hollywood system should lose their custody, nobody likes child actors anyway just put sum make up on a midget for fuccs sake!
That is disgusting, if he did this he needs to be locked up, and the people that was told about this and keept quiet, need to to punished as well,
Why didn't the "Guardian on Set," you know, guard her? Why was a twelve year old alone in a hotel room with a grown-ass man???
Bethany Gee - Because the parents had consented for them to go for sushi. Did you watch the video?
Bethany Gee He'd befriended the entire family over time and invited their daughter to what he'd described a pool party, where it was implied there would be other kids. Classic M.O. of a predator. Parents were dense AF, yes, but their little girl suffered. Your post could be misconstrued to imply blame on the part if the victim. Avoid that. It's dangerous.
Ughhhhh... ok. I watched the video and I understand how it happened. My question is still valid. A person was hired to accompany her and didn't, apparently, on more than one occasion. If any blame was implied, it's very clearly for the individuals tasked with caring for her and not the victim.
Your tone can be misconstrued as preachy and annoying. Avoid that.
So nobody did anything?Typical.
this triggers me so much, she one of my favorite people...
I just checked, there is a statute of limitation for sexual offences against a minor in California, which expired 9 years ago in this case. If a complainant comes forward by the age of 28, a case can be brought. Eliza Dushku is now 37.
There shouldn't be a statute of limitation for crimes against children IMO
There are 9 states where there isn't, It's weird to me that there are 41 where there is. I'm used to living somewhere that sexual offences against children are considered so heinous that people can be and are successfully prosecuted 30 or more years after the time of the offences. It does feel like this California law has more of an effect of giving relief to a perpetrator who remains unindicted long enough, more than it allows a reasonable period of time to the victim.
It has more to do with... a crime two decades past being unprovable & a complete waste of time, with most of it relying on testimony of people whom had it happen over two decades ago.
-- Not only will you only be able to tell them what you feel happened, that any proof outside that is so long gone, if it happened at all, that it's insane.
If there was enough evidence to begin with for a conviction, and you've held onto it for that long, then you no longer are a victim you are literally your own conspirator against your younger self, as you've chosen to not help by withholding evidence that it would need.
Yes there's an element of reflecting the lesser chance of securing a conviction, but that's a matter for courts, not the legislature. The limitation imposed by a statute of limitations is established by the legislature, and implicitly has the effect of giving a perpetrator who avoids identification or even where their identity is known, denunciation a pass.The purposes of protection of society and it's members, and the interests of justice are sacrificed where statutes of limitation cause events to become unactionable.. This makes remedy unavailable. Those are also all pertinent legal concerns.
It’s too bad Forbes didn’t just call the police. I know it would have made a sh*tstorm and it might have ruined both their careers (Though if James Cameron was serious about “no mercy,” maybe not.), but at that time they would have had a better chance at gathering any evidence. One would hope the studio wouldn’t have made it go away.
She is so brave to come forward after having it pushed under the rug for so long. I hope statute of limitations hasn’t run out on criminal charges. She could possibly hit him with a civil suit, but I’d like to see something more substantial. Consequences are important.
Ok here is this. If this was my child and she comes to me this info I would first call the police and put this on record then I would go to the director and say listen bubs my child is not shooting one more min before this is dealt with! Right now right here. That’s just me.
And you don’t need a “career” at the age of 12. Your parents need careers.
oneworld24 maybe a contract issue?
All these stories that are coming out are just devastating. The film industry is just the perfect situation for people to take advantage of others, it's terrifying and so awful to hear what these men and women went through and kept inside all these years. The amount of assaults coming to light is just mind-boggling, however, I am so glad that these victims of such traumatic events are finally feeling empowered (for lack of a better word) to tell their stories and hopefully get some kind of resolution and justice for themselves.
Any one of those adults could have and should have gone to the police. Going to your bosses isn't enough.
tdurran Exactly!
tdurran
Agreed...
Really! Why didn't anyone tell the director or the police? Was child molestation considered a minor offense? Unf-ing believable!
She looked so troubled and sad throughout the film. I believe her 💯
So she said nothing at the time? And now told without any proof 😅😅😅
Where was Chris Hansen :(
If all these people knew what happened, why didn't anyone go to the police and file charges? That guardian was on set to protect her and also didn't go to the police? Great protection there.
Always have chaperones. There will be further victims and "accidents". Just look at the safety record on his films. She will not be the only one.
The graphic description was more then a little disturbing
The choice of words had more than a little of the theatrical to them. They were chosen for optimal emotional impact.
:( poor Faith.
What is interesting in these comments how man men say it never happened. If you are a woman and have that staunch view, please reply. I won't argue at all I just find it interesting seems like only men reply like this. Why I wonder? Maybe because most women have been assaulted and all have been harassed.
Vee K. I notice that as well🤔 she was a 12 year old girl. Men REALLY don't get it unless it has happened to someone that they know personally. And then they still have misgivings.
@ma lama --You definitely need to seek some help, for whatever trauma has left you so bitter!!
Of course the creep Kramer would deny it,no 12 yr old would make up a story like that😮
You don't know that. Eliza has been Joss Whedon's play thing for so long that she's probably no different than he is.
Why didn't the guardian file a police report?
People feared those in power. Still do. They are indoctrinated to believe internal review will handle it. You live long enough you learn don't count on it.
Aint she from the show dollhouse?
She looked convincingly troubled and disturbed in all of her scenes in the movie. Its like she was holding that terrible secret during filming
why wasnt he arrested. incredible.
Jaii Raph because it didn't happen.
i am careful w/these things. But i read Eliza statement, & Jamie from the set at the time. this is not the same as the rest of the me too nonsense. & there is more. but it has, perhaps, been too long.
Jaii Raph I tried looking for updates, but nothing post Jan 16
nice work. but there would be a statute of limitations of likely 6 at most 12yrs. & even where that has recently changed, im, not sure if it has been tested as to being retrospective or not yet. it s just a horrible situation. that is a real kid & some real bad hollywood biz. & ppl really knowing at the time & not doing anything. Or not doing enough. Or not wanting to, or not feeling able. Probably correctly for all the reasons they feared at the time, articulated or not. it is all just awful.
Jaii Raph if it happened, it's awful.. I wouldn't completely rule it out. The concern was her story of that night. I'll give her that she was young, but the claims are conflicting. The people with him that night confirmed his story. Though they could of forgot or lied for him. It sucks if it happened, but if it didn't happen, then she ruined an innocent man's life. I guess we will never know.
Where was Eliza's parents during all of this?!
KweenBee37 , valid question, although secondary. we should be concerned about the existence of those sexual predators in the first place.
so you are blaming a cab driver for not helping her but her gardian who knew and did not go to the police ......no way
z delany exactly
All the people she told and none of them had the sense to go to the police? The police have power over everyone.
That's what Im saying!!!! Like Kramer needs to come out and speak his side more!!!!
Lets say shes making all this up… lets say she let her imagination get the best of her… what us a 40 y/o man doing in a hoteo room alone with a 12 y/o girl… he did that shit… and should be held accountable
HappyandAtheist You argue like a 9-year-old who has just learned what the law is in social studies..
Can anyone help Ana with some reading lessons?
Yeah, the Harrier jet thing was kind of sad. I worked on Harrier jets, so to me the least she can do is say that part right.
Yeah that was painful.
brb hiring Mayweather 😂
Nico she was 12 yr. 12 yr
Why can Anna never read words?
She's an idiot. if I were Cenk, I'd fire her.
i loved her as Missy, and this makes her even more badass in my mind.
i mean at this point itd be easier to find the hollywood actors who haven't been molested am I right?
Maritime Retro Massacre hear hear
Important article. Would be better if read correctly. Important to be correct if you expect people to believe you are credible. This is how misinformation is formed.
Ana, please read slowly. You completely misread that statement. You do this all the time. ---------WolfSky9, 71 y/o
Yes, she does.
So if all of these people knew, why didn't anyone go to the police?!
Arthur Clark LITERALLY explained at the near end of the video, you dunce?
I believe her