Full Review | 2020 Tiffin Wayfarer 24TW | 68 Cu. Ft. of Exterior Storage on this Class C RV!
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- It boasts one of the highest cargo carrying capacities and has one of the largest bed's available on a class C RV in North America. Is the Wayfarer 24TW the right RV for you?
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What do you think of the 2020 Tiffin Wayfarer 24TW?
Ultramobility being Tiffen I expected more quality. More bang?
Nice review.
This is an average coach. It just seems overpriced for what it is. There may be better options other than this coach.
Always enjoy your detailed reviews.
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@Debbie Troop - i've never been impressed with tiffin's quality. my parents own a tiffin allegro class A and its quality is also poor.
@Pedro Caballero - thank you very much for your comment. it is overpriced considering the build quality and what you get.
eh,,NO WINDOWS OR VENTILATION IN THE OVER HEAD BUNK?,,NUTS,,FRIDGE ON THE SLIDE,??,,,SHODDY WORK,,ILL PASS
If your worry about occ capacity of the rv you don't have to fill the fresh water tank to full and put all your stuff in a trailer or in a vehicle in tow behind the rv! There is a couple of things I wish they would change like having no propane, make the whole rv electric , no stainless steel, no Corian counter top and get rid of that stupid 3 way fridge. If they did those changes it might lower the weight too! Good presentation Neil like always!
I always look forward to your reviews. You're very thorough 👍
very glad to hear it. thank you!
Creativity Robin was fortunate enough to uncover a major flaw in the build on her Tiffin. You can see it on her site.
It had to do with the installation of the exterior wiring for the solar system. She's lucky that she averted a fire. And she was smart to have somebody that knew what they were doing fix it, as opposed to taking it back to the dealer, Mesa RV.
You can draw your own conclusions with respect to the quality of the Tiffin build.
thank you so much for sharing this important information with viewers!
Robin had her 400 watts of solar installed by the dealer, not Tiffin. It was the dealer's mess up.
Yes, she thought 400 watts made more sense too. And after market made sense. If you get a good installation! Her repair person did a good kludge that will technically work for years. But it is messy looking on the roof.
As for the security problem of underbed storage, REPLACE those storage locks ASAP. There are much better ones after market. I don't want anyone in my storage, period. Problem solved.
My error.
Solar was installed by the dealer, Mesa RV.
I think the teachable moment here is, solar is very specialized area and I would only entrust the installation to a solar specialist.
Thanks, Creativity RV has not focused on specifics of Wayfarer(cargo capacity, shower, etc) This has been very beneficial👍🙂
very glad that you found this review of value. i try to create video reviews that are different from what you'd see from sales people and even owner reviews. i want my reviews to be concise and balanced. thanks for letting me know.
I wonder if she knows, or cares, about the ccc issue.
Hey, Neil. No wonder those don't sell well here in the South. ... we fry everything... including our vegetables. We ARE the cargo weight max. Ha!!!
Great review. Thanks for all you do!
I agree with your comments regarding interior pass through. I’d permanently block access.
i really want manufacturers to stop making that access to the interior so easy. it's a safety concern. put a proper lock on the door to the interior.
I’m adding a lock to mine. I love the access because I keep kitty litter right below and extra water. Easy to fill litter box and then just lock door.
Such great, honest, comprehensive reviews. I miss this guy.
thank you
Class Cs under 24ft to consider for review:
Thor Compass, Dynamax REV (CB, RB),
Gulf Stream BT Cruiser (5210, 5230),
Phoenix Cruiser (2100, 2350)
Lazy Daze (24 ft)
I just purchased this model and although same year, I have different changes… I have reclining seating but there is no middle cup holder arm rest and there isn’t a vent van in bedroom. Twin beds turn into an RV King but the twin beds work perfect for us! I love the storage but I’m concerned about weight so I will have to go to a weigh station and see where I’m at. Thanks for great review.
I appreciate you speaking up about warranty, quality, value for price etc. I agree. Thank you Neil!
So they have a flexible gas line running to the refrigerator in the slide. Not real comfortable with that being flexed/bent back and forth each time you move the slide in and out. Not a fan of Norcold refrigerators to start with. I have had 3 of them and every one of them like to frost up and then the ice would melt around the door, thanks to poor insulation in the doors, and water would leak out all over the floor.
Yes, I know I sound like Debbie Downer. But, I have learned to look at things that might break/malfunction when buying something with a high price tag like this. This can save you all kinds of headaches in the future. Plus I spent years as a Quality Assurance inspector so I naturally look for issues in any product.
i love that you point out the propane line that's moving in and out with the slide! i should have noticed that! well done! if it were a compressor refrigerator it would not be a problem. well done.
Nice job on the review. Never drop the storage. Can't the suspension be up-graded? Agree, NO venting in shower? Yes, batteries and up grade inverter (pure-sin wave).
Love the head room, love the side opening storage beens. Like that there is room to move with slide in.
Option for patio TV, nice. Hey, add a couple of locks on that storge door, even three? Window coverings? You missed that. MCD would be nice. Large windows in rear. So, larger rear springs, and wheels. Maybe that gives more load. Another battery or two, 2000k inverter. Add a couple solar panels. A couple of nice TVs and you could live with the rest.
Good job!
yep i glossed over some points for sure. i try to keep to information that is lacking or missing from other youtube reviews. i figure enough of them talk about the basic stuff lol!
Security is always an issue from cheap trailers to expensive motorhomes. Did you know they all use the same key on the storage areas. REPLACE all storage area locks with After Market locks ASAP. Make a ton of extra keys if you are forgetful, but do replace those locks. I don't want anyone in my storage, period. Even if there is no inside access.
As for anything with inside access, a simple latch that you can only open from inside the unit should take care of that.
Reminder, many underbed and under dining seating storage areas have outside access doors. Replace those locks and put on inside latches wherever you see them.
And those new electronic locks for the main door look like a great idea too. You can give temporary codes to mechanics and guests and don't need to worry as much about the keys.
thanks for sharing these suggestions lisamarli!
I picked all this up watching TH-cam videos. What would we do without conscientious vloggers.
I used to drive the Kei car, compact and energy-efficient car, in Japan. This Class C would be an 18-wheeler for me, and I'm scared of driving it. However, I enjoyed watching your video.
try one out! you may be surprised at how much less intimidating they are to drive, especially the new mercedes with all the safety features!
You are wrong about the driving. This is an easy rig to drive. Size does not matter. Get behind the wheel. I bought a 22 ft Class C and was terrified driving it home. Partly because:
Had to rely on back up camera instead of rear view, mirrors were shoddy, and the camera had not been installed yet.
Height worried me under bridges and trees.
Did not know how to space myself widthwise on the road.
Backing up was nerve wracking.
However:
Backup camera worked great.
Taking this out every day to run errands gave me confidence and savvy within a month.
Became intuitive to check tree height.
Width is not an issue if you keep the left road line at a certain point in your windshield to give optimal center spacing on lane.
Backing up is a breeze!
On my maiden long distance voyage I even towed a car for the first time behind me. No issue at all over 600 miles. You have fears that are not justified. Just get what you want and drive it. Ordinary people drive semi's and 40 ft RVs, so why can't you?
Thanks Neil. Tiffin needs to step up their game or get out of the class C market. I'm disappointed with them given their class A reputation. Thanks again.
thanks for watching jeffisso!
Another good, thorough review. Why did you choose 160 lb and 130 lb for passengers when discussing OCCC? Those seem low to me for an American audience.
You and others have said this. I’ll probably change it moving forward to 200 pounds for one passenger and 160 pounds for the other.
@@Ultramobility That sounds more reasonable (at least for me!). Thanks for being so responsive.
Each and every one of your appraisals are appreciated and highly valued, thank you for sharing. I agree, if you can carry more than 2 people you need more kitchen prep and storage area. The shower looks VERY cheap ! I too, like the floor plan except for the small kitchen. I don't think you mentioned, but I assume the passenger seat turns around providing more front seating for guest. And, yes, with roof top area WHY limit availability of solar to such a small amount ?
We have never had any issues with OCC. As for brake in access it did concern me a bit but you can add a lock inside but in reality it is easy to break in to and RV!
many thanks for your ownership feedback! which make and model do you own and tell us how you like it!
@@Ultramobility We purchased the Wayfarer TW 2019 and it is just about a year old. Really no complaints but we did have two items replaced under warranty. The Jensen stereo DVD player everything worked fine but it would not connect to my cell phone so they replaced it. Also the spider control was a little glitchy and it was replaced. We paid to change out the love seat sofa for the reclining theater style seats and they are a huge improvement. You do loose sleeping capacity however that sofa bed was not very good for sleeping.
We looked at a lot of B class RV's but decided that if you are doing more than a long weekend camping there is just not enough room or storage space. The B+ makes longer trips possible and comfortable! There is a lot of storage in the TW and you could overload it I suppose. We put in all the standard gear, kitchen items, grill, etc and went to the scales with a full fuel tank and 1/3 full water tank (which is what I carry when traveling. Here are my weights
Front Axle . 3820
Rear Axle 6920
Total . 10740
After adding food and personal items I do not think we were overweight. Granted the combined weight of myself and my wife is only about 270-280 so heavy people might need to re-examine what gear they take. Most people carry too much stuff (including me but I have paired back some). If you are not using the over cab bunk for sleeping remove the mattress to reduce weight and it makes it easy to put storage bins up there.
Class B vans actually cost more than the B+ versions. I was told it is more costly to convert a van than to add a box to a cut-a-way Sprinter.
The B+ is very easy to drive and maneuver but you have to keep in mind the height of 11'6". So far we have been getting 15.5 to 16 mpg When on the highway we travel at about 65 mph most of the time. Awesome power in hilly country.
Cost was around $114k and we added solar panel and wi-fi booster and Dish satellite. All in for about $118. You could not come close to that with a Class B form any of the major manufacturers .
Lastly Tiffin customer service is awesome. They go out of their way to please their loyal customers.
@@JRMoritz Great helpful information.
I’m in the market for a brand new class B. What’s the best and longest class B that I can legally park in a city parking space in the US and Canada? I like Pleasure-Way vans. Please reply. Thanks Neil for your informative yet entertaining videos.
well the promaster at 20'10" is about the longest that you could get away with. it would spill over by an inch or two into a second parking spot. if you don't want to spill over then you need a coach that's under 19' in length which means it would be built on the shorter sprinter chassis or the shorter promaster 1500 or 2500 chassis. anything longer and you have to be comfortable taking up two spots.
Regarding your comment on the solar and battery tech. The reason they don't upgrade that system is that the math works out to $20,000 to $30,000 to upgrade the system to run the air conditioning system and power the coach without the generator.
Fantastic video thank you for calling out Tiff and on their cargo capacity
many thanks, @My Channel! trying to keep the manufacturers honest!
So sad I was expecting so much more.
Excellent and comprehensive review. Thanks for publishing the OCC which should be a mandatory component of every review but few do. Unfortunately Tiffen didn't learn from 2019 which was equally challenged on capacity. On your graphic, if not listed, should also note that a dingy toad is virtually eliminated as despite the advertised 5000 lb advertised towing capacity, the hitch weight is further subtracted from the OCC and further wipe out the 256 lb calculated carrying capacity.
I am curious how the 2019 Mercedes engine/chassis would do towing a small toad? I like the idea of the small class C but would like a small vehicle to get around once I reach my destination. Have others considered towing a small vehicle to get around?
Glad to see you're branching out to more small Class C "B+" than just the PW and LTV wide bodies. Would love to get your impression of Gulf Stream BT Cruisers.
noted!
thanks for the suggestion!
Thank you for the excellent review. I haven't decided between a trailer (having a vehicle running around would be nice) or a Class . The load capacity really concerns me so I am glad you highlighted this aspect. Really curious why manufactures don't seem to think this is of concern because once you add food and clothes and virtually anything else, you are over.
they don't want you to know about cargo carrying capacity. it's a huge limiting factor in many class C rigs.
@@Ultramobility Geesh .... that is almost ... criminally dishonest on their part ... our lives are in their hands. TY.
@Lida Verner - that's just my opinion of course. some manufacturers have disclosed their cargo carrying capacity but most don't. it was so bad that the government now requires them to place a bright yellow sticker on either the passenger or driver's door so that you can see it for yourself!
@@Ultramobility TY .... (and yours is an opinion I have come to give great weight to)
I like your very thorough reviews.
thank you lynn! I like you as a viewer!
I don't mind the the pass through only because of it is another way to get out in case of emergency! If you are worry about security put deadbolt locks or locking inside of the vehicle!
Excellent review. We really like the size, floor plan, & Mercedes safety features of this RV. However the carrying capacity is deal breaker. Are there others with similar size & floor plans that have significantly more carrying capacity? Enough to even pull another small vehicle?
i like the SERENITY by Leisure better ? AND who is robin / Creative rv is she some1 im suppose to know?
she has a nice rv travel and ownership channel which you can find here: th-cam.com/channels/igPwB_DERbV5BlwV4OY9mw.html
WHY oh WHY do they still put the noisy generator on the side of the vehicle I want to relax outside on!? Put it back on the drivers side where it won't bother me as much. And as long as we're at it , how about some outside cooking options. A pull out counter with burners would be nice!.
i agree on the placement of the generator!
Very Good Review, as i have said before, quality is the end of the road and that road is leading up to PW in Saskatoon! So Many Units out there, not sure the Warranty lines up with the supposed quality. Creativity is enjoying hers and this looks like the unit would work. Am not a fan of the slide, will go with Dean on these!
Do any of the B+ or C manufacturers offer a model with diesel fired water heaters and diesel fired furnace? When you have a diesel chassis with a diesel generator it would be a logical option to eliminate the LP system.
This motor home was always high on my list of campers to buy , but the OCCC is inexcusable .
lots to like about it but the occc rating isn't one of them.
Nice, unbiased video. Leisure Travel vans appears to be of superior quality in my opinion. I like that the Tiffen, for a smaller coach, has large sleeping quarters and a large shower. From what I could see though materials throughout the coach were of poorer quality for such a big price point. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching!
I'm not impressed, someone at Tiffin has forget to review the real OCC, I've seen one and the quality is poor, I will never pay that price for that rv . Thanks Neil and see you next time.
they have known that the occc rating is too low on this rig for years. why they don't do something about it or at least stop touting the cu. ft. of exterior storage speaks volumes about them as a manufacturer in my opinion.
The average American woman is 5' 4" and weighs 166 lbs per online search.
The average American man is 5' 9" and weighs 200 lbs per online search.
If this coach carries 6 people, you are looking at:
200 + 200 + 166 + 166 + 125 + 125 = 982 lbs if two of them are kids. Possibly 1000 lbs.
Already way over load limits with zero room for cargo.
Other issues: Only 2 proper seat belts, the rest are not 3-point.
Cheap fittings throughout.
Slides are a danger to occupants during a crash. Goodbye kids!
No fan or vent in shower - mold issue!!!
Galley size is ridiculous
No inverter, no solar, propane fridge, cheap cheap cheap.
Highest price for any Class C at $152,000!
Are you kidding? This RV is unsafe just on weight alone. Should be pulled from market immediately. Carrying 6 passengers on this is a deathtrap.
Great review. Thanks for letting us know the facts!
You did a great 👍 job and I do appreciate your honesty. Thank you 🙏
I think your weight of driver and passenger might be a bit.... Conservative?
Nice job as always Neil. Tiffin's quality has become very suspect ever-since the founding father died. The OCCC issue, alone, with all Tiffin Class C's is bordering on incompetents. Question for you Neil; have you seen any 2020 Winnebago 24v's (Twin Bed) in person or on video. It's seems more competent than the Tiffin twin bed in every way. That said, I am not sure if the build quality has improved with Winnebago. Appreciate the feedback.
Mr. Bob Tiffin died? When?
hi mike - i will be reviewing the navion and view models that compete with the wayfarer for sure! thanks for the comment!
@@gosman949 I thought he briefly appeared on one of Traveling Roberts Hershey RV show videos in Sept.
@@gccooley I know not know?
Lets get real avg American is about 200 lbs. With that in mind you get less than 250 lbs carrying. You'd have to be very very careful not to overload. With no lithium upgrade and such poor solar power I'd have to say NO to this one. It just doesn't have the power.
i think moving forward i'm going to change the driver's weight to 200lbs and the passenger to 160lbs. thanks for the suggestion!
Winnebago View beats this wayfarer hands down with higher OCCC. Tiffen can’t add more solar or extra seat belts. They would exceed OCCC. Bad design.
view and navion review coming soon enough!
They need to think about dropping the bunk above the cab and putting in a large sunlight. As you said, there is not a lot of cargo capacity, make it more a two person, with option of sleeping a couple of guests, on the converting seating area. Instead of trying to be all things, to as many people as they can.
that's a great suggestion!
They used to have a skylight in the bunk area but have recently stopped putting it in because customers don’t like it even though it had a built in shade. Customers didn’t like it because it was a huge heat source on sunny days. I agree with the other customers it’s better without it
Great that you try ti include the OCCC for all reviews. But I thought that the 2019 chassis does not have blind spot due to the bump out width of the body.
ohhhh you may be right about the blind spot assist. i thought i read they have it on the 2019 cut-away chassis but now i need to verify! thanks for pointing that out! it is definitely true of the 2018 chassis!
I know this is a Wayfarer review but the Robin Leisure Travel issue was raised, I love the look of the Leisure Travel murphy bed and was curious of whether there were issues in general or was that a "lemon"
i think ltv quality is just ok as reflected in their 2 year warranty. i don't think robin's experience is reflective of most ltv rv's however.
Love Robin!! This is a great model!!
Nice review. Looking forward to your review of the 2020 View/Navion.
definitely coming!
Don’t understand how same chassis have such different OCCC. Tiffin’s house & gear must be heavier. Could you DIY an increase (springs, tires, etc...)? Probably voids warranty... Was looking at one of these. Going with
Many people seem to like the Mercedes chassis. I have read horror stories from fleet owners on repair cost and they say all the units experience the same hugely expensive repairs at predictable mileages. The fact that RV'rs tend to travel into sparsely populated places with no dealers for these chassis might give some a pause with this choice.
Taller people means heavier people as well. Is there an after market mod for Sprinters to allow them to carry more weight?
I am shocked at these prices. Who has money to spend like that. That is crazy. I just bought a 2008 Winnebago Itasca Class C for $25,000. It has everything the new ones have and I like my layout better. I totally redesigned the inside and it is super cute now.
thank you for sharing you ownership experience. you can definitely get great deals on used RV's. Just need to ensure that you do a thorough inspection!
Quite a few people can afford that apparently. I am ordering a factory build and Mr. Tiffin said they are so busy that it will take 12 weeks from the time the dealership gets the order to them.
Appreciate your reviews, however.
Incorrect information on many areas is disappointing.
Tiffen does offer Lithium batteries as an unpublished option, the consumer just needs to ask.
Tiffen provides one go power 190 watt solar panel and has an option for 2 panels. Again, just ask the dealer to order it. It used to be 170 watt.
Robin from Creativity was mentioned as owning this model, that’s correct, but you failed to mention why and the numerous problems she had with her Leisure Travel Van that forced her upgrade to Tiffen.
The overhead bunk comes standard with a large front window and electric privacy shade, obviously the unit you viewed was ordered without this.
The unit you reviewed comes standard with a compressor frig., the other models of Wayfarer use absorption refers.
The fantastic fan in the bathroom does vent for the shower also because if you would have shown how the two doors swing into the hallway to create one large bathroom with shower it would have been obvious.
The TV in the living area in this model is standard, not optional as you state. The exterior and bedroom TV are optional.
I don’t own a Tiffen but was disappointed in what appeared to be a slanted and biased review.
Your carrying capacity and security concerns were valid.
Finally, regarding Robins solar issue. In her video this week she stated that LaMesa RV installed her solar system, not Tiffen, for the lady that remarked about her potential fire issue.
It comes with a 2000 watt inverter, forced option, if you opt for the electric theater seating.
Please do more research before you condemn a manufacturer.
Lastly, I do not and have never worked for or with Tiffen but being recently retired and very aware of the RV industry for the past 35 years I have researched all Mercedes chassis class c brands and though the carrying capacity is low, it is the brand I will be buying. a factory ordered 25RW. The standard features, tangible construction upgrades from any competitor makes it the Only viable option.
This is the first comment I have ever felt the need to post because your Leisure Travel and Pleasure Way bias is getting difficult to overlook.
I've always been looking for the impossible. a luxury van with only 2 single beds or 1 double bed further lots of space a bathroom and a good kitchen and solar. all this under 3,000 pounds but still not found am I really demanding so much?
Request: Bring back the class B reviews.
yes they're coming! with hymer gone about 20 different models and layouts have been eliminated.
Class B seems to be a dying brand in America. Most RV dealers are turning to B+, C, even Super C
The B class are getting way over priced and have limited use. Hottest selling RV right now is the B+ type on the Sprinter of Transit
@@JRMoritz I live in the world of 70+ somethings and they are selling houses, downsizing, cashing in all to buy these easy-to-drive B and B+. A B/B+ runs upwards of 120+, a trailer+truck upwards of 80k, yet the C is holding at 30k. I feel the market is skewed to meet the retiree needs and not the family. If it doesn't even out, the RV market might burst like the Housing bubble.
Dorothy Beaury Class B isn’t a brand, it’s a size/type designation, and at least among the younger crowd, is preferred over something larger that is harder to park and to power.
love Robin !!!!
Please explain how this RV is an upgrade for "Robin" over her Leisure?
Her Leisure was what one that you might call a lemon. May not be all their vans, but her Leisure had way too many problems. I just hope her cargo falls in the right weight for her Tiffin, for safety reasons.
@@lifeisshort-makeitsweet869May not be "all their vans" are you kidding me. Leisure won't come out and tell the TRUE story about her and her van because as a company they have class and don't run to the internet and start making noise like others do.
Thank you for sharing.
@pat cayton - i was simply saying that she traded up from your LTV to the Wayfarer not that it's an upgrade.
@@UltramobilityFirst I don't own anything. Second good try on the "traded up" If you actually knew the who story of Ms. Robin you would have a whole different story.
Nice review Neil like always, but I like Winnebago view/navion better for some reason. This is nice too though.😁😁
thank you craig my loyal viewer! full review of the navion and view will be upcoming!
Ultramobility u welcome, can’t wait to watch and see input on the Winnebago view/navion 👍🏽👍🏽
Thank You for the review! Now I know this one won't make it on my short list 😉.
I am close to buying the 2020 Winnebago View much better then the Tiffin. Solar included can upgrade to lithium batteries, up 1100lbs occc, love the Murphy bed setup. Overall a better buy the Tiffin.
Full review of the navion and view upcoming!
Hey Neil, how about a Lazy Daze Class C review? With an 18 month waiting list they must be doing something right!
i have to be able to see one and i believe they are direct order no?
Ultramobility That they are but they usually have units available for viewing at their factory in California. We are currently on their waiting list but it’s been so difficult to find videos or read reviews before we make the trip out to possibly order.
didn't know they had a CA factory! will definitely put it on my list of tours and full review! thanks for the knowledge!
@@Ultramobility It is a small operation in Montclair Calif. Their design is retro with little change over the years, used units are highly sought after. I am also on their waiting list.
I like your reviews. Could you do a few reviews of Class Cs under 24 feet but not built on a Mercedes?
yes i certainly can. do you have any in particular that you'd like to se?
@@Ultramobility Some Class Cs to consider for reviews - Thor Compass, Dynamax REV (CB, RB), Gulf Stream BT Cruiser (5210, 5230), Phoenix Cruiser (2100, 2350) and Lazy Daze (24 ft)
@@Ultramobility Some Class Cs to consider for reviews - Thor Compass, Dynamax REV (CB, RB), Gulf Stream BT Cruiser (5210, 5230), Phoenix Cruiser (2100, 2350) and Lazy Daze (24 ft)
very honest review
Love that it has water lines inside! However its too big for me, but great design!
i know that 4 season capability is important to you so i recommend you stick to class C's as their basements are heated and all the plumbing is in the basement including the drain valves. the smallest class c you can buy is the pleasureway plateau xl series which is 22 feet in length. just fyi but i'm not sure all their plumbing is enclosed...
Ultramobility Last time I asked they said they were not enclosed. I like class c rvs but they are so long need to find a short one with no slides that has water lines inside havnt found that yet. The struggle is real lol
Agree with your review. Some very attractive features, but all are off-set by the anemic electrical system and puny storage weight capacity. Both of which are easily fixed in this price range.
I like my Leisure Travel Van Wonder RTB on the Ford Transit chassis with Ford diesel engine. This Tiffin has some desirable features, but I would not consider it an upgrade over my Leisure. I’ve had my coach for 7 months, I have put 17,000 miles on it. I have found both Leisure and my dealer, La Mesa RV in Phoenix, to very supportive.
I like driving my car, not a fan of the car driving itself. If those “safety” features are really truly needed perhaps the operator needs to be changed.
sorry - i didn't mean to say that the wayfarer is an upgrade to ltv. i just meant that robin over at creativity rv traded up from her ltv to the wayfarer.
Ultramobility No worries, I understood that you were referring to Robin’s belief that she upgraded. After watching her video, your video, and doing some self study I do not agree this unit is an upgrade from a LTV.
My little Wonder has 400 watts of solar. Admittedly the 1,000 watt converter is anemic and I detest lead acid batteries - didn’t like them growing up in the 1950s and 1960s and especially don’t like them that alternatives are readily available. I switched my two 6-volt (in series) lead acids to two 12-volt AGMs (in parallel). Upgrading the inverter to 2,000 watt is my next project.
Plus, my weight carrying capacity more closely aligns with my storage space.
Again, I liked you review. As usual it was fair and objective. I agree with your conclusions.
It is a pity two quality manufacturers each have fallen a little short of the perfect Class B+/C coach. In my view LTV came closer than Tiffin.
The interior is from the 1980s. I don't think there are any Class C RVs in the US with contemporary interiors. All I ever see are these 80s things.
take a look at leisure travel vans. they have pretty modern interiors.
While you’re discussing the interior, after being driven and bounced down the road for a while the stapled wallboard will most probably need to have the staples hammered back in, or add some screws to keep the wallboard tight. Staples come loose more than screws. (I had to add screws on my class A after a while)
The 2020 View is getting better . .
Your review is on point! Thank you. And u can take a joke.
huh? what 'stache??
Think he's saying bro mustache. Maybe?
Ultramobility you da Class B man wit da Class B van. You have a great critical eye. It's time you joined a team at one of these companies and help build out rigs that have it all. You have the vision of the ideal van...time to make it happen. Far too many manufacturers miss the mark in so many areas. Who is your favorite builder out there...
well thank you very much @garyofnyc. i am working with one manufacturer on an ultramobility limited edition. we'll see how that goes...
@@Ultramobility well I'm sure it will have a great combination of tech, solar, lithium-ion, multiplex, 4x4, queen bed dry bath good cargo comfy seating quality components great suspension strong engine good gas mileage high weight capacity lots of cargo plenty of water capacity yadda yadda yadda. Seems like a big challenge. Good luck!
Hey Neil you mention so so quality but don't say why. As far as the pass through coach access thing I'd put my own locks in. Does OCCC include full tanks? Be nice if you had some mileage details re the larger size and weight etc.. But good vids. Do enjoy them.
i didn't mention quality you're right. basically it is the same build quality problems that i saw on the 25rw. i didn't see the same problems but the build is the same and I would expect similar problems. plus i saw paper laminate, flimsy plastic shower stall, plastic shower door, etc. occc includes full tank of fuel and full tank of propane.
Here is question for all expert out there. Why don't they put Honda Generator which i would think it will run much quieter then this cummins. i know cummins runs on diesel and Honda is not but i think they can make extra fuel tank for it and much lighter i would think
because you'd have to daisy chain like 3-4 of them to get up to the 3.6kw that a single onan generator generates.
@@Ultramobility Wait, Honda does have 7KW gen (5500W rated) model if i'm not mistaken
sorry i thought you were talking about honda's portable line of generators! my apologies. i think they don't want to spent the money. honestly.
like the manufacturer but think they would find a way to upgrade to lithium, larger converter and get rid of the cheap shower stall. winnebago has already proven what a sloppy job they have in the view.
Exteriour is much better than the Europeans, American Interiour is from the day before yesterday!
I’m looking for Ford chassis for two adults and two dogs, that’s it!
i'll have to start reviewing more class c's built on the ford chassis.
I do like the Coachman Beyond
Great, spot on review. It's way over priced overall is my opinion.
definitely inflated because of the tiffin brand name.
What do you think is the best Class C with the best storage / weight capacity preferably ? And on a Mercedes chassis for fuel MPH?
for quality: pleasureway's wide bodies (their XL models) i have to review more class C's to get a better impression however of more makes and models.
Ultramobility Add’l Class C reviews would be 👍
These B , B+ and C rv's sold in USA are WAY overpriced for what you get. Just look at the units sold in Europe !! They are about 60K for nice B class, well equipped, very modern interiors . The ones here would be left unsold if those ever made it over to USA and their quality looks to be better than here. Europeans even sell really nice small class A's. Check those out !!
love those euro rvs! i want to get over there some day and review some of them!
Very disappointing you're paying for the the name not for quality or features
The Mercedes seat back expecting bulkhead: Mercedes dealers can now re-program the seat for you. www.irv2.com/forums/f280/2019-sprinter-chassis-seat-recline-fix-453199.html
Sleep 5 or 6 but only 2 belted seats.
makes no sense right?
@@Ultramobility
Sounds like rush to market especially as you, for one, have blasted manufacturers for things like this and lack of OCCC
I guess if buyers have $150,000 in their dockers, they don't have to think about such things.
Have to pass on this one
I clicked on the video and was treated to some BBW's slipping their junk into the trunk.
are you talking about an ad?
@@Ultramobility yes I think it was from Shapermint. Normally I skip the ads but this one I watched.
Was it an ad that i should ban from my channel?
@@Ultramobility I love your content on all things RV and your production and editing are class leading. If I was an RV manufacturer I would try to swoop you up. If I was watching this with the family and the ad popped up. I could see it making the wife a bit uncomfortable watching other ladies curves. The only thing on my mind was. "Whatcha gonna do with all that junk? All that junk inside that trunk"
i would love to offer my consulting services to any manufacturer! let's hope some of them consider it!
I suppose many RV people like such a large rig. Not to my taste
I had a Tiffin class A a few years ago. I thought the quality was good, and service was outstanding. It looks like the company has gone downhill since the grandkids took over.
my parents own a tiffin class a and i have to say that I am not impressed with its quality although their customer service is top notch. still the best customer service is one that you don't have to use.
Not enough carrying capacity, will be able to take my bike only.
that sounds about right.
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It wouldn't be the coach for me.
amy, please share your thoughts on why it isn't the coach for you.
@@Ultramobility I prepare food and that galley is very small especially for the size of the coach. I do not like the moving refrigerator because it seems like a place you're asking for problems to happen with the supply lines there. For myself, I do not need all of that sleeping capacity and would rather have a much larger galley and storage space. I do like the twin beds, but what would I put in the storage underneath the bed? Cargo capacity would be a concern - I mean, I cook in cast iron pans! I was not impressed with the bathroom and shower layout. The doors could open out together and form a dressing area or just be in the same room. I would like to be able to vent my shower! I believe you showed that there were no upper bunk windows? If a person is sleeping in an over-cab bunk there just needs to be some view and ventilation, period! I hope that helps.
You mean a downgrade from leisure Van
Still not a,"truck" Camper. Lol??
i will have to do some truck campers huh?!
It's good, it's big,has everything,but very outdated, ugly cabinet s,ugly furniture, nothing changed since 60,s....but don't get me wrong , it's perfect those people who never seen European design, probably still Staples all over,no screws,no skilled works
yep need to verify the build quality by taking a factory tour. i would imagine it uses staples but am not sure. the laminate is paper and not wood so that low quality.
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