How to use Victron BlueSmart Charger 12/30 (3 outputs)
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- You can use the flexible Victron BlueSmart Charger 12/30 (3) to charge up to three separate batteries in your caravan or boat.
The total of 30 amps can be divided and matched to charge different battery types and sizes or all on one bank.
You can mount the charger out of sight because it has built-in Bluetooth technology for you to control and monitor the charging process effortlessly.
Download the free Victron Connect app for your iPhone, Android or Windows device. The one app works on all Victron Bluetooth enabled products.
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Product Code: BPC123044012
That was fun, cheers. 6 years ago, how things have changed. Hybrid inverters.
Just got my IP22 yesterday and installed but it gets really hot 134F and 55C. in the 30 amp charge mode. The problem is that they installed a tiny fan located on the inside center which blows air on to a transformer and that is it. The air does not get blown out or sucked out of the unit. There is a spot on the rear of the unit for a second fan and wonder why there is not a fan installed there. There is a cover where the fan should be on the rear. I was reading the Victron community forum where multiple people are complaining about the over heating problem....too hot to touch.... but no one from Victron answers their questions directly as to why. I am disappointed after spending $247.00 with tax.
I have same 3 output charger. It gets pretty darn hot. The fan barely pushes any air
How does it sense that there are different types of batteries connected?
Love how he says in the video "leave questions in the comment." Not one question was answered.
I didn't say I would answer immediately. What's your question David?
@@batteryworksaustraliaptylt9840 Being my comment is 5 months old I don't even remember what your video was about, which is my point. Typically, when someone making a video says, if you have questions leave them in the comment section, that person leaving the question usually expects some kind of response.
@@sailingcruiser25 Sorry, been a bit busy. Hope you are well.
I noticed this also
Can you connect the positive to the pos+ BUS BAR instead of direct to battery
How do you know when one battery is full? Also if the charger is let's say 30amp,is the output divided by the number of batteries being charged or is it 30amp output per battery output? And does it show on the app different stages of charge for the 3 batteries you are charging?
I'm here for same
me too
Me too simple question nobody even victron can't answer
@@DarranFuller I will answer you because the answer is very simple. If you use 3 batteries that need the same charging algorithm, this is a good solution. For example, 3 LiOn batteries in a camper of 100Ah each or their capacities are different, it is irrelevant.
This is a parallel connection of three batteries. There, the current is divided into each, as much as it needs to produce the specified voltage. The battery that has a higher internal resistance and has not reached full charge, it will take more current and will be at a lower voltage, while those that have finished will wait at the perfect voltage with minimal current consumption.
And that is that.
I had not researched carefully enough and expected it was capable of separate chargers profiles per battery. It is not. It is going to suit my replacement need to manage two AGM in parallel at 12V but disappointed to realise only one chargers profile at any one time.
Is each one of the three outputs managed separately? Are these three outputs just to make wiring easier, or is there an advantage. Is there a wiring diagram showing how this would be wired with three batteries? showing loads as well?
It is designed so you can charge 1, 2 or 3 batteries from one charger. Its has a maximum of 30A output which can be shared amongst 1, 2 or 3 outputs. Watch the video to know how to wire it up for 1, 2 or 3 batteries.
Not sure what you mean by managed. Check out an Argodiode or Argofet on the Victron website. This should give you an idea how it manages the outputs. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
@@batteryworksaustraliaptylt9840
why can't you see the induvidual batteries in the app?
Did you get an answer ? I am too after this info. Not sure if 3 banks managed separately?
@@hallo007ful It seems the app is usless as he used a multi meter to do what the app should have done...I'd like to see current and voltage for each battery plus time remaining.
@@bryangreen5713 I still don't understand how this device working, can he managing of the all there batteries separately.
does it split the 30A (so 10A per channel)? or does each channel get the full 30A?
3 x 100ah lifepo4's - 10+ hours, or 4(ish) hours?
(I will assume its 30A total, but can deliver 30A to a single channel if that is the only one connected)
Great video... a question can you charger two batteries Litium + Start battery simultaneously.
did you ever find out?
@@rowey7777 I'd like to know this, too - it would seem that they would have different profiles, not sure how the unit would handle that or how to best go about it.
After watching , this crossed mind too. I wanted it to charge my lithium leisure battery and the vehicle starter battery at the same time. Will the charger do this? Do this 🤔
This question is driving me nuts too. Did anybody ever find the answer ? 🤔
@@suziq4394 no
Buying my next bit of kit from you, thank you.
HI there, can you help me with regards to cables from Charger to batteries. Im used to having cables that come with charger to go from charger to battery. These dont, at this price point? I have 2 x 120AH enerdrive lithium batteries, and a 12v marine starter battery I need to look after. What is a busbar? Thanks.
looks like this is a nice charger but with a lot of shortcomings. We can only select one charge profile and the charge current will go according to the internal resistance of the connected batteries thus mixing lead acid and Lipo's will not work well. Using a lead acid program for LiPo will overcharge them and using a LiPo program for Lead Acid will undercharge them.
If you need to charge different battery technologies frequently and want to keep your batteries healthy there is only one way to do so. A DC-DC battery charger. Putting three different battery technologies on this charger is "STUPID". Here, I said so.
I assume (means I don't know) that the three outputs are galvanically separated so you can charge multiple batteries of same technology without draining the already charged battery.
I assume they use a diode bridge to separate those three outputs and so same technology batteries with different SOC should be OK.
Just the answer I was looking for, the question I have just posted 😂
@@snowboarder753 I've got one of those now and its a good charger but its as explained above. One profile, three outputs who get delivery according to their internal resistance (charging state and such)
Shame you can not read the voltage separetely of each battery on your phone. Its expensive enough though.
Shame he’s not answering questions. If I had an mppt, a mains charger, and an isolator powered by the vehicle battery how would you connect all to the battery bank? Just hook them all up at once?
I have Aux batt Bank 2x 6v=12vAGM running the house portion of the coach . i have a 12v batt connect to the engine with fuse box Headlights etc. And i Have a Ground wire from the 2x6v=12v Bank to the 12v engine Batt.
I dont know if thats right or not. Its been working great and i dont see smoke. This is my third R.V.😂
Can I hook up different batteries and charge them at same time? AGM and LiFePo4? It has Normal, High and Lithium program? Can I use Lithium if the other battery is AGM and other is LiFePo4?
No ,you cant charge agm with lifepo4 same time. You can charge only same type of batteries together.
I am in the design phase to transform a Sprinter 211 cdi, new (2021), L1H1, all a little tight !!!!, but perfect for use here in Europe and exploring small towns, easy to park ... etc
But now I got to the point of doing the electrical project, which I'm not used to doing, I'm a civil engineer, I understand 110 / 220v AC circuits.
I wish you could help me with that part.
I'm Brazilian, but I also live a lot here in Portugal, where I'm going to do the conversion.
Well, I started making a spreadsheet, with the equipment, the necessary power and time of daily use, I have no intention of filling the motorhome with things, not least because it is a Sprinter L1H1, and I would like to have a simple electrical installation, but I would not like have gas inside, so I would prefer a stove with only one induction zone.
To heat the water it would be a D6 truma, which is diesel.
But from the calculations I made and compared with others I saw on the net, it seems that it ends up consuming a lot of energy, making the electrical part more expensive.
I don't want to spend so much just because of induction.
I don't know what other electrical equipment I would still need for everything to work, still using the car's alternator and an external 220v point when stopped at a camping site.
In your opinion, which a good configuration sufficient to have a quick meal, with induction and stay out of the network for a day or two?
Well, the result of the spreadsheet was:
220V equipment
notebook - 65w - 1 hour of use - 5.4 Ah
induction cooker - 1800w - 0,4 hour of use - 60 Ah
12V equipment
USB - 50w - 1 hour of use - 4.2 Ah
refrigerator - 45w - 8 hours of use - 30 Ah
lights - 15w - 3 hours of use - 1.3 Ah
water pump - 42 w - 0.5 hours of use - 1.8 Ah
exhaust fan wc - 40 w - 1 hour of use - 3.3 Ah
I will be very grateful if you can help me by presenting an wiring electrical diagram with the necessary equipment.
I appreciate if you answer.
my address is: joaolp55 @ gmail com
Thanks
No PV solar panels? Remogy just came out with a 200W flexible model that you can stick 4 of them on the Sprinter roof.
Question -> Can one connect via BlueTooth when the charger is Not plugged in? I'd like to use it as a battery monitor as well.
No, when the charger is off Bluetooth won't connect
How can you get the advertisement key to get local data instead of cloud
Great video thanks...iv got 3 AGM 130Ah batterys in Parallel..if I put one wire on one off the battery then the other on the other battery as in Parallel do I still get the 12v 30amp...thanks
Did u find the answe to that question
Sir, my victron is not producing electricity from out put, where as power is 220 is given from outside nor charging the batteries not giving any out put 220 power, even Less not glowing , whether it's need reconfiguration because it is not operational for the last 1 and half years.24 volts .
Gulshad.
I want to buy the Rev2 model. How do I identify the Victron energy IP22 Rev2 model?
I was interested to see that you were using a charger as the feed from the PV into the MPPT, presumably this works OK and doesn't cause any problems with the MPPT? The only reason I ask is that I was thinking of using a similar method to charge a battery over night when there's no power from the PV panels but wans't sure fi that would work or destroy the MPPT?
Would you have a video on how to tie that battery charger in with an mppt in case the batteries die at night with no solar available.
I would like to know this also
See answer above. They are separate devices that both connect to the battery.
Could you please tell me how the victron solar mppt would connect with this charger?
Not directly. Connect both separately to a busbar or fuse block and then connect that to the 12V battery. Insure the MPPT is set to 12V. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
why is the neg cable so small when connected to three batts?
Can you use this charger to charger 2 12v batteries while wired in series to be 24v. Seeya Rob
12.8v are a bit low as charger says 14.4 or
IP22 so great on boats...
can i charge my LIFePo4 battery and my starter at the same time? the app didnt seem to show ant data on separate batteries just an overall out put of 30amps being distributed to the three batteries in your case
Yes you can, but you have to use the lowest common denominator, witch is LiFePo4.
LiFePo4 has, on Victron charges 14.2V as absorption voltage.
The starter battery will be a little undercharged, but better than float/trickle charging or no charging at all.
The amps will go to the battery with the lowest voltage first, but they will hit absorption at the same time.
Hi I have a AGM battery connected to the blue smart charger with 3 outputs and I have set the charger to AGM spiral, I would like to connect the Van Battery to output 2 but this is not AGM,
Is this possible cheers
I would like a custard tart chilled to 5c and served with coffee. thanks
Hahaha
@@batteryworksaustraliaptylt9840 I did a video on some of my victron gear the other day. I also have a water proof 17 amp charger coming and will be installing that in our off road camper trailer on to my Lithium batteries. here is video link mate. th-cam.com/video/nXbiZA0CgDM/w-d-xo.html
In home, I have 400w solar panels, one MPPT 100/20, one Inverter 12/250 and I need an automatic charger when the solar panels do not reach the necessary current. Can I use a permanently connected Victron charger when the voltage drops below X volts it start to charge till X volts? Because in the next day, I need to have battery space if I have energy production... ??? Can you help me?
Great info thank you
Thanks, glad to hear it helped.
+Battery Works Australia Pty Ltd
multiple people asked "Is each one of the three outputs managed separately?"
would really like to know too because if it is one then how could it charge mixed battery's (For example a normal one and a agm at the same time)
even more i really NEED to know this because i need to charge different ah battery's VERY soon.
then again what is the point in getting the 3 terminals one over the one if you could just use bigger wire and split it from the one terminal (assuming the three terminal one isnt separate charging)
so i would like to know too, are the three terminals just paralleled inside of the charger or are they seperate with separete sensing how full the connected battery is?
So can I use this instead of solar? I have a camper trailer with 2 100A batteries. Sometimes our solar isn't enough to charge the batteries up, could this be an alternative?? I'm really out of my depth with this stuff
great vid.. do u know id you can change the output voltage to 12.6V for li ion 3s ? thanks!
With the app, can you see the voltage level of each connected battery?
Is posible charge 2 batteries lifepo4 i serie ?
If it's in Bulk mode shouldn't it be at 14.2 or higher? 12.8 is not even float.
If I am charging 2 batteries with the Victron ip 22 should I hook them to the seperate feeds or just hook on of the feeds up with negative on the first battery and positive on the second these batteries are in parallel
Bluetooth looks very handy but we spend a lot of time out of mobile service areas, how can we operate the charger in that situation?
I don't think you need mobile service to use the bluetooth feature. If it is the same as their dc-dc charger, it'll connect via bt as long as you are within it's allowable range, i.e. in the van.
Hi, thanks for the video and got a question, does it generates a lot of heat while charging? would it melt plastic if attached to a plastic board?
No - warm to touch but wont melt any standar plastic used for a board
If it doesn’t melt its own plastic cover, probably will not melt a las tic board of the same kind of plastic.
Also @2:32 you are using a battery charger as a power source for you mppt charger ‘solar input’ !? - interesting
I got this charger today and when the batteries (2x 12v 140ah in parallel) are charging the charger makes a disturbing kinda loud humming noise. As the battery charges up the noise reduces. It doesnt get very hot but i didnt expect that noise from a premium charger like Victron. Im wondering if i need to send it back but the store i got it from says they may need to send it to Victron which means i will be without a charger for at least two weeks which is not ok. Anyone else with same expirience on that noise ?
Is it not possible to see each of the batteries voltage in the app?
Sorry, it is one charger running one algorithm. The VictronConnect app shows you what the charger is doing. If you want to know the separate battery voltages, SoC, etc, you should be using a battery monitor on each battery.
Does it charge each battery separately? Why 3 ports if each cable goes to the same place?
no....this is fake 3 bank charger....this is one charger with only 3 isolated outputs. i dont know what app shows when You connect two different battery (different technology)...i bought it and now i need to send it back
Is it class 1 or class 2 as in the UK we are not allowed to carry the earth from a mains supply due to PME type instals with a broken neutral.
Sorry, I don't know UK electrical code, but if you buy a version with a UK plug and insert into the outlet, I'm pretty sure you will be OK. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
Victron BlueSmart Charger, how much current does it draw from the grid?
use the power equation.
Power In (at 120V or whatever is on your grid) = Power Out (different voltages and currents) + losses due heat and electronics inside the IP22 (which should be small, lets say
If you charge 3 batterys ,you can see the 3 batterys charging in the app?
no....this is fake 3 bank charger....this is one charger with only 3 isolated outputs. i dont know what app shows when You connect two different battery (different technology)...i bought it and now i need to send it back
I purchased the IP22 and it ran really hot on 30 amps and not able to even hold unit. I contacted Victron and they said it was normal to get hot! What a Joke! Here is the review I left on Amazon: I was surprised when I touched the case and it was too hot to pick up while running at the rated 30 amps. It was actually 134F or 55C and no electronic item should be this hot ever and poses a risk for fire. Upon inspection there is a tiny mini fan (40mmx10mm) inside near the center and it blows air on to a transformer next to it and that is it. The fan basically does nothing. I could feel no air flow exiting or blowing around the unit. There is a cover on the back end and when I removed it for inspection I noticed a place where a fan was designed to be installed but none existed. How could a manufacture with a high end name like Victron let this happen. I think they wanted to make the IP22 as quiet as possible, hence the mini fan located inside mid center but they forfeited cooling when they took the rear fan option away and slapped a cover over it. I had to submit a technical support request form and I am waiting for Victron to get back to me. I will update this when they do. I also went to the Victron community forum where multiple people were complaining for quite sometime about the heating issue and it appeared to me that Victron never acknowledged the problem. We shall see. Update: Here is Victron's response: "Depending on models, there is a fan on the side of the unit while others are left blank. Victron has said that these units will heat up when in operation, and there should be no cause for concern. The units do have overheat protection on them." End Quote. Anyone who works with electronics knows that the enemy of electronics is heat and for the IP22 to get so hot as not able to hold unit in your hands is unacceptable. I will never buy Victron again. Meanwhile I have added to more fans to the unit. I added one fan in the space provided on the back end side, just removed cover that covered up where the fan should of been. I also made a hole in the cover and added a fan so the fan on the cover would blow air in and the fan on the back end would blow the air out. I wired in parallel with the internal mid centered fan. Now runs about 15 degrees cooler. Shame on Victron!
Can this charge a 36v system . 3x 12v batteries in series? This has only 3 positives and one negative output.
As shown, this is a 12V charger with 3 outputs for charging 1, 2 or 3 12V batteries. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
Can one make a series connection of 2 by 12V outputs to get a 24V output to make a 24V charger
No, you would just be putting 2 outputs in parallel and there is no advantage to doing that because one output can deliver the full 30A if required. It is a 12V charger and will only do what it is designed to do. There are 24V versions available. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
hi.....great video... whats the specs (Ah-size) and model number on the Panasonic deep cycle battery ? thanks
www.victronenergy.com/chargers/blue-smart-ip22-charger
Does your inverter have built in bluetooth or is it connected with ve direct cable?
It is VE. Direct Inverter so it has Bluetooth capability, but requires a Bluetooth dongle from Victron to communicate. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
Merci
Thank you. Good luck with your Victron fun!
Can this Victron DC to DC charger works in conjunction with Victron MPPT Smart Solar charge controller?
Like when my engine is running it will charger from alternator & when engine shuts of it will charge from solar panel.
If any possibilties enlighten me at earliest. Really want this setup but dont know how & hence purchase on hold!
www.renogy.com/12v-dc-to-dc-o...
Sorry.
TH-cam "Will Prowse Renogy dc to dc Charger review
I have one of these Victron 75/15 the green light flushes and the blue light is not flushing what does that mean . thanks
Download the free Victron Toolkit app and it has a feature that lets you match the flashing LEDs on your mobile phone to the actual on the device - for all Victron products that have them. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
hi can you charge lion and normal battery at the same time ?
From the one charger? No. It does what the manual says it can do. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
Yes if you install a dc to dc charger you regulate the lithium ion
I have a Litium ion battery. Is it better to charge on li ion or normal
It is designed for lead and lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) batteries. If charging a LiFePO4 battery, then use Li Ion setting. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
Can you charge a LiFePo4 and a lead acid at the same time?
What size cable is running to the batteries?
I'm using 16mm2 which is the max. gauge this unit will take. I used pin end terminals for the connection to the charger - bit of a squeeze but secure. Here's a link to those: www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B085QL42BT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
What is its power consumption when charging at 30A
It depends...30A x 14.6V (a rate of charge during the algorithm) = 438W. But it will not always be at that voltage during the various charging stages.
what size cable do you recommend for a 3 - 4m run to a vehicle battery and a 1m run to a leisure battery
Is it charging each battery as one charge state or three seperate?
would really like to know too because if it is one then how could it charge mixed battery's (For example a normal one and a agm at the same time)
even more i really NEED to know this because i need to charge different ah battery's VERY soon.
then again what is the point in getting the 3 terminals one over the one if you could just use bigger wire and split it from the one terminal (assuming the three terminal one isnt separate charging)
so i would like to know too, are the three terminals just paralleled inside of the charger or are they seperate with separete sensing how full the connected battery is?
Did you notice in the video that the voltages were different for the different batteries? The resistance for each battery will be different also. The charger can tell the difference so it uses the same algorithm to charge different batteries. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
@@batteryworksaustraliaptylt9840 Manual does not sayhow three outputs are managed - can you for instance when configured as a Power supply charge 3 Lithium cells independantly
I’m more interested in a portable version and wondering how many amps is enough. I’ve seen the blue smart from 5a up to 30a. My battery says ‘standard charge current’, not sure what that means either.
Is each one of the three outputs managed separately ?
Not sure what you mean by managed. Check out an Argodiode or Argofet on the Victron website. This should give you an idea how it manages the outputs. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
@@batteryworksaustraliaptylt9840 He means, can the separate batteries have different chemistries or different charge levels and have each it's own algorithm. Can one be in bulk and one in adoration? Can one be Lifepo4 and another flooded.
@@batteryworksaustraliaptylt9840 i'm a friggin idiot and i get the question, damn!
is it possible to use this charger with solar panels
Do you mean: Connect the charger directly to the battery and also have solar panels with a MPPT solar charge controller connected to the battery as well? Yes. Anything else, No.
@@batteryworksaustraliaptylt9840 Olá, ou seja, eu posso ter o blue smart charger a carregar as minhas baterias (gel) e ao mesmo tempo que o meu MPPT solar está a receber carga e a carregar as baterias em simultâneo? não há problema? se estiverem ligados aos mesmos bornes da bateria
Moobouile....Kaaiboul :)) such a funny accent.
Thanks for watching and happy to entertain.
Hello, thank you for this informative video. I see you mentioned that you have the 24v (8amp model?) charger powering the 100/30 mppt. controller. Could I use the same set-up to charge my 7s24p li-ion battery when there's not enough sun to use my panels? Thank you.
I just realised that I asked the same question, did you manage to find out if this is possible/safe?
@@off-gridutilityroom5490 theoretically like it seems they were doing, as long as the input volts/amps don't exceed a standard PV panel array you would typically have connected to it, it should do the same job charging a battery pack. I've done some testing with an adjustable 24 volt power supply and seems to work fine for me.
@@off-gridutilityroom5490 personally I wouldn't recommend going from an MPPT directly to an inverter without a battery bank between that's large enough to provide adequate amperage for the required draw from whatever you're powering through the inverter. Hope that makes sense.
@@Bubbz2024 Thanks for that, it may well help me with the system I'm trying to design for use in the UK
@@off-gridutilityroom5490 hope it works out for you. I built my own 24v 2.4 kWh portable solar generator. Using recycled 18650 cells. Using a Victron charge controller to charge with PV panels but also use a 24v power supply when charging it with shore power. It's slow compared to my 600 watt PV array but works when there's no sun.
How secure is the Bluetooth connection from unauthorized access?
If you put a PIN number in, it is so secure that only professional hackers will want to attempt to access your 12V charger. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
Hi Scott, I like your video. I need a little help. I have a 120 watt panel on a land cruiser leading to a Victron Solar Smart Charger 75-15. I have a neg and pos running from the battery ports on the controller to a 120 Ah deep cycle battery. I can't turn on the load to power up my engle fridge. Could you help me please, I'm pulling my hair out. Hank
She,s goin now. I think i powered up the solar and then the battery. I reversed it and bingo, cold beer tonight
Hi Hank, not trying to be a wise-guy, but I can't answer your question. So, I always ask everyone, did you read the manual?
It has info like, to start the MPPT, it needs 5 volts more than what you have it set for battery. So, if you have it set for as a 12v battery, then the panel must make at least 17v before it starts to charge. After it starts, it only needs 1 v more. Does you panel make enough voltage in the sun?
Great to hear Hank. Have one for me!
Thank god for a VOLT METER..
It only takes 20-40 tries to bluetooth... fails at 20% over and over and over....
1 button to cycle thru 2 sets of lights and has NO RIME OR REASON......
Light on bulk and getting hot phone says 13.6V 15amp... but NOTHING at the battery.. 0.00 A on my meter.. pulled out the 40 year old western auto 2-5-10amp charger.. VOLTAGE!!!
This module looks so generic.... and IS!
I try to hook up via the the blue tooth. It ask me for a four digit code. WtF of cousre its saturday. I don't like this thing already.
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Mike is correct. Be aware you can also be asked to update the VictronConnect app as well as the updating the firmware on the device. Always refer to the manual and datasheets available at www.victronenergy.com.
Thanks Mike, i love my Victron. Works great. I have learned alot.
I have 720watts with a 150/70 victron. Smart controller. On my R.V.. iwill try to enlarge by battery bank i only have 2 x 6v battery AMG.
that makes no sense to me at all
Back to square one. It turns off after about 2 minutes, Why
Sorry, nowhere enough info there.
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