I actually lifted the big flakes with a long toothpick when I was spraying tripple-thick on my Star Trek backglass. That way, I knew some of it got under all the pieces. Worked pretty good, but as you say... "It's an imperfect art work!!" 😅
I would recommend spraying the paint into something at the beginning and using a syringe with a small needle to "inject" it under the flaking art before spraying. It would just help make sure you have full coverage and reduce risk of bubbles under the art.
Not a bad suggestion. That could definitely help in the case of areas that are not quite sticking Ron has done many many of this era of backglass. If you look at the other videos, his method also works and lasts. I think the clear coat Ron uses does soften the old paint a bit and allows it to sit flat. It really does sit pretty well.
Ron doesn't take suggestions. What he says goes, his video - we can take it or leave it. Humble is far behind Pride. He's been told before. There's no fixing his pinball
I think it looks awesome even the way it glued down and the cracks in his back. Makes him look like hes got power inside him and a super hero in an epic way. This makes the machine even more unique. Great work!
She is really a beautiful machine. I cannot express words that fully describe how impressed I am with the work you have done so far. Thank you for sharing this work with us.
I have a Medusa great game took a while to get it all working correctly. The center kick out between the bottom flippers should be a red faceted circle with an o ring on it.
Looking great Ron. Nice job on the backglass. By the way, I also like the linear flippers. If they’re done right, they work fine. I can’t understand the hate for them either.
I did this technique when I restored my Paragon. It turned out nice! Managed to get the triple thick under most of the lifted sections. Anything dead flat, plus weight, will help hold everything to the glass surface. The Saran Wrap comes right off once the clear dries. Should last a long time. The Medusa is looking great!!
One of my favourite channels even though I don't own a machine. Curious, is there a video where Ron shows his face? Be neat to put a real face to the mystery voice narration.
Midway used the same screen printing technique on their marquees back then. I have a sitdown Spy Hunter and all three of the marquees have places where the paint has lifted/flaked off the glass. Looks like a workable way to repair them, thanks for the video. 😎
Good that you had most of the pieces. Even though the cracks in the print may be visible, but it will look amazing. Glass does expand and contract quite considerably. That's why buildings with a lot of glass need to have spacing between glass panels with a flexible sealant. Also the paint from the screen printing will expand and contract at a different rate. Add moisture to that and it separates from the glass. Moisture plays to the cleaning theory, where the bottom peels first. It can be tricky painting glass and making it stick.
I saw a Harlem Globetrotters one time where a piece ironically the size of a basketball had pulled away from the center of the glass, it's just a thing with these Bally's of this vintage. None of the other manufacturers used the same process....
Great save on the back glass! You got skills MR Ron. I would love to see you build a digital full size pinball machine, you guys have the CNC machine so you could cut out your cabinet and everything to custom fit your screens it would be awesome.
The backglass looks very good after you fixed it up. Are those flipper bats the original? The lights on them are very cool looking. Great series of videos can't wait for the next one. Thanks Ronnie see you on the next video.
I just did my pinball recently. I watched all of your previous videos about triple thick. I wish I would have waited for this one specifically for the information about the windows. There's a lot of people recommending masking it with tape... I think that's a bad idea. I basically came to the same technique and conclusions as you about just flooding the windows and it dries clear enough.
Looks great. Just a thought. Try heating (warming) the paint to soften it (heat the paint and the glass (the glass from the opposite side)), then press it flat while it hardens, wait till it's cooled), then do your spray paint thing.
Hello it's been awhile. I worked on my countdown machine again. I 3d printed a drop target to replace the broken one and got it installed. I decided to order a Flipp all in one board PI-1/X4. I got it installed and set it up to the correct language, game and turned on the attract mode option to make it more flashy. I was able to play a few games. The drop targets all reset, the ball went to the launcher, the kick out hole worked, everything worked. Then after i finished a third game there was a warning message about "Check Coils Danger Locked On" and when I pushed the start game button it would display the message CHECK! I'm hoping it's just the diodes.
I remember a pinball game that the top of the playfield would open up like a fault line during one of the bonuses Do you know what game that was I loved it
That is awesome artwork. The backglass is something that people would say is occult and would never be allowed today. I imagine they would have issues if they saw it. Eventually they may even ban pinball machines with artwork they don't like. I really miss the old days when we had freedoms. It is crazy looking back remembering the 80s and 70s. Being able to not be tracked. To have your own thoughts and not worry about being cancelled and having to censor yourself. Those were the days. Leave in May and literally be unfindable for 3 months. Just wild thinking about it. Before wifi before cell phones before internet. Back when kids could travel alone. Now kids can't go outside without their parents. I really miss the old days.
Preach it brother, when we were kids we used to just disappear for hours or the whole day and when we got home our parents would just ask us where we'd been, lol
They just call it the 'prototype', basically she's more nude on this one, they cleaned it up at some point and most of them have the more cleaned up version. This is the first version, nobody really knows how many they made though, but since she's more nekkid it's slightly more desirable.
would heating up the old paint flakes, to make them temp malleable, hence flatter ( heat and weight down before lacquer stage ) ? [ everything would be room temp - bit of low velocity heat ] see if art flattens better ? (shouldn't affect glass ) a good bit over the windows help seal further = Great Logic - ( got to be dust free area though ) Great Content ~ Thank You.
That might work, you'd have to do some test stuff on one to see for sure, i'm always leery of heating up glass I'm always afraid it'll shatter and then we're screrewwwwwwed. Thanks for watching IceBolt!
The only difference between the prototype and the other version is the amount of nudity on the main Medusa character, they cleaned it up for the other version of the backglass, this is the naughty version. Nobody really knows how many are of each though, they call this one the 'prototype' but I don't think it's super rare, there's probably hundreds of them and a thousand of the other one.
If you look at the production back glasses online and the prototype blackglass, it shows this one as the prototype. I left a message in a previous video after discovering it. ronnie would have noticed sooner or later.
Stupid question..... Medusa is often portrayed as having a snakes tail for legs, like a snake version of a mermaid, this gorgon has normal female legs. Was the original Medusa of Greek legend supposed to have the snakes tail or legs? (I'm not good with mytgology)😂
Unfortunately you're pretty much done if it has the tape on it. That was a common thing that operators did when they started flaking... There's no way to remove it from the pieces of the artwork, it'll just all fall apart if you start trying to remove it. You either have to live with it in that situation, or if there's a crack somewhere that you can get to, you can try to spray the triple thick in that crack, and leave the tape on it when you press it back onto the glass...
@@LyonsArcade Thanks for the reply. I will give that a shot. Was considering trying goo-gone on the tape but was afraid that would create a bigger problem. I think I better just do the triple thick over the tape and hope for the best. Thanks again.
I would test wax paper it is much easier to handle and flatter and i like the look of the translucent flippers do they make them for the top set that would look good.
@@waynegram8907 -- He explains it in the video. It is a no-fire pottery glaze. It's like lacquer, bur it applies very thick. It's called Triple Thick, and maybe Krylon makes it.
@@waynegram8907 It is a specific spray, not just any clear stuff. Ron has talked about it in multiple videos. And he gave plenty of detail in this one. th-cam.com/video/nngkD6AELek/w-d-xo.html
you do know all the drop targets do not come up when the game starts. its normal since they can be controlled. they pop up in there on play field sequencing as you play
IPDB says Kevin O'Connor. Also has quotes from him about the earlier version of the backglass art. (Which ended up on the flyers advertising the game, apparently the promo materials were rolling well before the machine itself was ready.)
Exceptional restoration as usual. Progressing nicely! Would the main body and backbox have originally been painted in the the same dark red/burgundy as the apron? You can see how much darker the apron is from the painted body, but I've no idea if they originally matched. Such a fun series to watch - can't wait for part 6!
magnificent work. unlike you I have more time and would use a dremel bronze wire wheel on rusted metal then polishing wheel and rouge instead of sandpaper or you could use your knife polisher. I got to get one of those
You could have left the cracks in the guy's back and painted it red or orange like he has magical hot cracks in his skin. Not original but should look cool.
You could skip to the end or better yet, just not comment so none of us have to waste time with somebody not smart enough to skip what they don't want to watch.
@@LyonsArcade I would use thin sheets of mica collected by red haired virgins between the worm moon and the hunters moon. But hey, it's YOUR PINBALL, you do it your way. :D :D
I'll say it again. I've never even seen a pinball machine in real life but this is one of my top favorite channels. It's broke!
Gotta give 3 thumbs up for the Bob Ross reference!
He's the man!
I actually lifted the big flakes with a long toothpick when I was spraying tripple-thick on my Star Trek backglass. That way, I knew some of it got under all the pieces. Worked pretty good, but as you say... "It's an imperfect art work!!" 😅
That machine is fully loaded. You can't jam much more stuff or gadgets on that playfield. That's a very cool game. Can't wait to see it finished.
They even made the flippers move!
Great job, Ron! Thanks for providing yet another fantastic insight on restoring these awesome mechanical works of art👍👍
I would recommend spraying the paint into something at the beginning and using a syringe with a small needle to "inject" it under the flaking art before spraying. It would just help make sure you have full coverage and reduce risk of bubbles under the art.
Not a bad suggestion. That could definitely help in the case of areas that are not quite sticking
Ron has done many many of this era of backglass. If you look at the other videos, his method also works and lasts. I think the clear coat Ron uses does soften the old paint a bit and allows it to sit flat. It really does sit pretty well.
Ron doesn't take suggestions. What he says goes, his video - we can take it or leave it. Humble is far behind Pride. He's been told before. There's no fixing his pinball
I think it looks awesome even the way it glued down and the cracks in his back. Makes him look like hes got power inside him and a super hero in an epic way. This makes the machine even more unique. Great work!
Like the orange guy in fantastic four!
Thanks for showing the step-by-step technique for the translite. Appreciate it. Catch you on the next one
Your vids and Bob Ross helped me get through some rough times. I knew I liked you Ron 😂
What's goin' on Jabo? Bob Ross was the man, did you ever watch the Woodrights Shop? that guy's cool too and still doing it
@@LyonsArcade I haven't seen that. I'll have to check it out 👍 Thanks
Looking great. That was very helpful. I have a new world with the same issue. Thanks Joe!
She is really a beautiful machine. I cannot express words that fully describe how impressed I am with the work you have done so far.
Thank you for sharing this work with us.
Outstanding work Ronnie. ….saving pinball one machine at a time. This looks like it’s gonna be a really fun game.
And the enhanced sound might make it even better.
I have a Medusa great game took a while to get it all working correctly. The center kick out between the bottom flippers should be a red faceted circle with an o ring on it.
Looking great Ron. Nice job on the backglass. By the way, I also like the linear flippers. If they’re done right, they work fine. I can’t understand the hate for them either.
I did this technique when I restored my Paragon. It turned out nice! Managed to get the triple thick under most of the lifted sections. Anything dead flat, plus weight, will help hold everything to the glass surface. The Saran Wrap comes right off once the clear dries. Should last a long time.
The Medusa is looking great!!
One of my favourite channels even though I don't own a machine. Curious, is there a video where Ron shows his face? Be neat to put a real face to the mystery voice narration.
It's looking great! I love how this is coming together. Always neat to see.
Amazing back glass! Great job again guys. She's looking sweet.
Midway used the same screen printing technique on their marquees back then. I have a sitdown Spy Hunter and all three of the marquees have places where the paint has lifted/flaked off the glass. Looks like a workable way to repair them, thanks for the video. 😎
Great video as usual! Thank you Ronnie.
Good that you had most of the pieces. Even though the cracks in the print may be visible, but it will look amazing.
Glass does expand and contract quite considerably. That's why buildings with a lot of glass need to have spacing between glass panels with a flexible sealant. Also the paint from the screen printing will expand and contract at a different rate. Add moisture to that and it separates from the glass. Moisture plays to the cleaning theory, where the bottom peels first. It can be tricky painting glass and making it stick.
I saw a Harlem Globetrotters one time where a piece ironically the size of a basketball had pulled away from the center of the glass, it's just a thing with these Bally's of this vintage. None of the other manufacturers used the same process....
Beautiful work so far!
Great save on the back glass! You got skills MR Ron. I would love to see you build a digital full size pinball machine, you guys have the CNC machine so you could cut out your cabinet and everything to custom fit your screens it would be awesome.
With a sheet metal cabinet, not press board, to guard against press board disintegration!
You are legit! Nice work once again.
The backglass looks very good after you fixed it up. Are those flipper bats the original? The lights on them are very cool looking. Great series of videos can't wait for the next one. Thanks Ronnie see you on the next video.
I just did my pinball recently. I watched all of your previous videos about triple thick. I wish I would have waited for this one specifically for the information about the windows. There's a lot of people recommending masking it with tape... I think that's a bad idea. I basically came to the same technique and conclusions as you about just flooding the windows and it dries clear enough.
Higher and Higher, high as a mountain, Hi how are you. I'm high just watching this paint operation. :)
Also glad to see you put the gold face drop targets in try green leds in her eyes looks really good
Looks great.
Just a thought. Try heating (warming) the paint to soften it (heat the paint and the glass (the glass from the opposite side)), then press it flat while it hardens, wait till it's cooled), then do your spray paint thing.
Hello it's been awhile. I worked on my countdown machine again. I 3d printed a drop target to replace the broken one and got it installed. I decided to order a Flipp all in one board PI-1/X4. I got it installed and set it up to the correct language, game and turned on the attract mode option to make it more flashy. I was able to play a few games. The drop targets all reset, the ball went to the launcher, the kick out hole worked, everything worked. Then after i finished a third game there was a warning message about "Check Coils Danger Locked On" and when I pushed the start game button it would display the message CHECK! I'm hoping it's just the diodes.
This may seem a little strange, but could you show how you transport games from off site to your store? Do you use a truck, box van, trailer?
Hi Joe, I’m coming through Rock Hill first week in January, is the Medusa for sale? If not, will you have any other pins that are shopped? Thanks
I remember a pinball game that the top of the playfield would open up like a fault line during one of the bonuses
Do you know what game that was
I loved it
That would be Earthshaker by Williams. 1989.
Thank you that was such an awesome game
very nice i am looking into getting a very old machine, the back glass look's so bad that i am wondering if it can be repaid or is it impossible?
I loved the drop target joke. You got me, triggered my ocd :)
OCD is a disorder
@@LyonsArcade My late wife had that..drove me insane..but she kept a clean house..a real..clean house 👍
That is awesome artwork. The backglass is something that people would say is occult and would never be allowed today. I imagine they would have issues if they saw it. Eventually they may even ban pinball machines with artwork they don't like. I really miss the old days when we had freedoms. It is crazy looking back remembering the 80s and 70s. Being able to not be tracked. To have your own thoughts and not worry about being cancelled and having to censor yourself. Those were the days. Leave in May and literally be unfindable for 3 months. Just wild thinking about it. Before wifi before cell phones before internet. Back when kids could travel alone. Now kids can't go outside without their parents. I really miss the old days.
Preach it brother, when we were kids we used to just disappear for hours or the whole day and when we got home our parents would just ask us where we'd been, lol
I miss those days, although for me it was the early early 1990s
Seems like theres an LED out on the KIT led’s about 1/3 from left
I think the Creature on the glass turned to stone from looking at medusa because that's what happens in the story really cool video cool game..
triple thick is great stuff. I have used it on emblems for a old tool box
I think the next video should be testing the switch matrix and fixing the switches that may not be working right.
Why is there 2 flipper buttons on the right side, and only 1 one the left?
One on the right is the ball save thing between the flippers, the shield of God or whatever they called it....
@@LyonsArcade OK thank you.
So how do you determine that it’s a prototype model from an original?
They just call it the 'prototype', basically she's more nude on this one, they cleaned it up at some point and most of them have the more cleaned up version. This is the first version, nobody really knows how many they made though, but since she's more nekkid it's slightly more desirable.
The red lighted flippers are cool. I haven’t seen that before
would heating up the old paint flakes, to make them temp malleable, hence flatter ( heat and weight down before lacquer stage ) ?
[ everything would be room temp - bit of low velocity heat ] see if art flattens better ? (shouldn't affect glass )
a good bit over the windows help seal further = Great Logic - ( got to be dust free area though )
Great Content ~ Thank You.
That might work, you'd have to do some test stuff on one to see for sure, i'm always leery of heating up glass I'm always afraid it'll shatter and then we're screrewwwwwwed.
Thanks for watching IceBolt!
She looks great! Such minimal damage for being in a crawlspace. How did you identify it as a prototype? Did I miss that bit?
The only difference between the prototype and the other version is the amount of nudity on the main Medusa character, they cleaned it up for the other version of the backglass, this is the naughty version. Nobody really knows how many are of each though, they call this one the 'prototype' but I don't think it's super rare, there's probably hundreds of them and a thousand of the other one.
@@LyonsArcade Ah thanks. Can't have a shadow and nipplage corrupt the youth! Thanks for the reply and awesome videos.
If you look at the production back glasses online and the prototype blackglass, it shows this one as the prototype. I left a message in a previous video after discovering it. ronnie would have noticed sooner or later.
Stupid question..... Medusa is often portrayed as having a snakes tail for legs, like a snake version of a mermaid, this gorgon has normal female legs. Was the original Medusa of Greek legend supposed to have the snakes tail or legs? (I'm not good with mytgology)😂
I have a Bally from 1982 with this issue. Someone decided to use scotch tape to put the pieces back on. Any clue how to remove the tape?
Unfortunately you're pretty much done if it has the tape on it. That was a common thing that operators did when they started flaking... There's no way to remove it from the pieces of the artwork, it'll just all fall apart if you start trying to remove it. You either have to live with it in that situation, or if there's a crack somewhere that you can get to, you can try to spray the triple thick in that crack, and leave the tape on it when you press it back onto the glass...
@@LyonsArcade Thanks for the reply. I will give that a shot. Was considering trying goo-gone on the tape but was afraid that would create a bigger problem. I think I better just do the triple thick over the tape and hope for the best. Thanks again.
I would test wax paper it is much easier to handle and flatter and i like the look of the translucent flippers do they make them for the top set that would look good.
Bob Ross ,Happy little trees everywhere lol !
JOE CLASSIC, So you use clear plastic wrap and spray a "Clear Coating" onto the clear plastic wrap?
You spray the back first, then apply the wrap. You pull the wrap off when it dries. The wrap insulates your weights from the wet glaze.
@@PlumGurly what type of spray? Is it just a clear coat or something else
@@waynegram8907 -- He explains it in the video. It is a no-fire pottery glaze. It's like lacquer, bur it applies very thick. It's called Triple Thick, and maybe Krylon makes it.
@@PlumGurly I wonder who makes this spray because I thought it was just a normal clear coat but its something different
@@waynegram8907 It is a specific spray, not just any clear stuff. Ron has talked about it in multiple videos. And he gave plenty of detail in this one. th-cam.com/video/nngkD6AELek/w-d-xo.html
Our Bally's lost world has some peeling and cracking near the Tail on the right side between the two score Windows the cracks between the two windows
you do know all the drop targets do not come up when the game starts. its normal since they can be controlled. they pop up in there on play field sequencing as you play
I may have missed it. Do you know who did the artwork on this machine? Python?
IPDB says Kevin O'Connor. Also has quotes from him about the earlier version of the backglass art. (Which ended up on the flyers advertising the game, apparently the promo materials were rolling well before the machine itself was ready.)
Thxs PCachu
Exceptional restoration as usual. Progressing nicely! Would the main body and backbox have originally been painted in the the same dark red/burgundy as the apron? You can see how much darker the apron is from the painted body, but I've no idea if they originally matched. Such a fun series to watch - can't wait for part 6!
In theory they should have matched but I don't think they ever got it perfect on most games, it was usually slightly off.... Thanks for watching JJ!!!
Pinball, Wabi Sabi and Bob Ross all in one video.
"Come On Now People?" LOL
We LOVE Bob Ross ❤️
Hey Ron!!
@14:00 -- "This (Triple-Thick) smells good!"
And I NEARLY posted a remark about how Ron was probably a model airplane glue sniffer in another life!
Obviously the cold/hot issue was exacerbated along the bottom line because they used ice water to clean the glass. Mystery solved Ron! ;-)
Use wax paper it won't stick, but try it on something that don't matter first.
It has to be worth at least 15 or 20 grand even with the back glass like that
So, this is the closest we'll get to a 1981 Clash of the Titans tie-in pinball machine?
magnificent work. unlike you I have more time and would use a dremel bronze wire wheel on rusted metal then polishing wheel and rouge instead of sandpaper or you could use your knife polisher. I got to get one of those
Still waiting on the gameplay video
Hello
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You could have left the cracks in the guy's back and painted it red or orange like he has magical hot cracks in his skin. Not original but should look cool.
Good enough for the girls we’re datin.
I'll be Dipped!
its 25 minutes longer than it needs to be
You could skip to the end or better yet, just not comment so none of us have to waste time with somebody not smart enough to skip what they don't want to watch.
Bob Ross...what about his teacher bill alexander??
What about Bill's teacher?
@@LyonsArcade that would have been a long time ago...
Michael, stop helping Ron! We have criminals to catch.
I don't think using polyethylene was a good idea. Acetate film would have given a better result.
I don't think using Acetate film is a good idea. Shrink Wrap gives a better result.
@@LyonsArcade I would use thin sheets of mica collected by red haired virgins between the worm moon and the hunters moon. But hey, it's YOUR PINBALL, you do it your way. :D :D
Now you have to send it to reproductions...