DFV | Planting Bare Root Grapevines in AZ
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- How to plant bare root grapevines in desert climates. Today we're planting bare root Flame Seedless grapevines here in Arizona. This is a great table grape variety and makes a decent wine as well.
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No wonder that Mulberry is “Contorted”....you peed on it lol!!!
HA! Lori would agree with that one!
So that's how we get nitrogen into the planting beds..... good tip!
It's definitely one of them for sure. Plus, it's just easier than running back in the house. 2 for 1!
Its the composting toilet you havent told us about.
@@gm2407 yeah, I suppose that's the case!
Lol, I pee on my trees as well.
I knew I couldn't be the only one!!
I do it all the time too.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm At the end of the day, its just the same as putting the pig/chicken waste on the trees. Fresh from the tap, no need to compost.
Where did you get the 5 gallon Home Depot bucket?
The Homer bucket?
I just started watching your videos today. GREAT job! Entertaining and educational. Where do you get your wood shavings?
Hey Stacie! Welcome to the channel and glad you're enjoying the content. Most of the wood chips are from folks we found through Chip Drop. Being away from the city it took some time before we had a few hits, but since then we get them off and on.
Do you allow your first year Flame Seedless grapes to fruit or should I snip the fruit clusters off?
Great question Kasey. We always let our vines and trees go through their first growing season without any fruit. Sometimes Flame vines will set a few clusters in the Fall, so if that happens it might be worth letting a cluster or two ripen up to try out.
I’m growing grapes on an arbor! My flame is 2 years old and is loaded with grapes. I planted a Thompson seedless grape on other side this year. It is growing fast (8ft) but it’s only one whip. Should I tip the lead branch so it will branch or wait till winter? Thx
Great question and congrats on that bumper harvest of flame grapes! It's amazing how quickly those fruit for us here in AZ. As for the Thompson, you'll want to just let that go. The more growth it puts on this year the better. Every branch and leaf is giving you more root growth below the soil which is the main focus for that first year of growth. You also want to let the larger canes take shape, so you have a good option for choosing your primary "trunk" for the vine long term. Once you get into winter this year you'll want to cut that back to basically just the chosen "trunk" and maybe another 2-3 backup canes that you can use as a trunk in case that first one has any issues and also have some possible production next year. Thompson vines do best when they are cane pruned, so establishing a head "trunk" is the key to ensuring you have bountiful harvests in the future.
So, would it be okay to bury the grape vine like you would Tomato plants then? Snipping off vines and burying deeply to promote more root structure? As a thought about watering those grapes and conserving water. Dig some shallow holes in the ground directly under those emitters deep enough to place a small pot into. Fill the small pots with gravel and cover with woodchips, the pot would allow the water to penetrate deeper into the soil nearer the root zone. Any excess water would still spill over like your doing now. You also could place large pots filled with, lets say, Tomato plants under each emitter. This would allow the water to feed the pot and the grape vine below. This way your getting 2 crops for the price of 1 watering. It could be any other plant besides Tomato's, you could use Blackberries instead.
Hey Kelly. I'm not sure on burying the grapevine. We don't worry too much about going too deep when planting, but we want the vine to push hard vine growth the first year and push root growth from what's already established. This way we can get the trunk established after year 1 in the ground. But you probably could do that. Interesting thoughts on the Tomato plants. I suppose that would be an interesting thing to try out. I like the idea of the pots in the ground as well. That wouldn't hurt and it's function stacking Permaculture style.
My apple trees have lots of flowers I will be cutting them off My Fig and pomegranate trees are also no longer dormant.
You know spring is right around the corner when those figs start to break dormancy. Those 100 degree days will be here in no time!
Is Reid still selling 5 gallon fruit trees or has he stopped? The last time I was there he mentioned that he would be just doing 15 gallon.
He mainly sells the 15 gallon trees, because that's what most of the homeowner's associations require when planting a new tree (according to what he tells us). He did a contract grow for our trees, so we were able to get the first few rounds in 5 gallon pots. This time around we had to purchase the Tropic Sweet apples in 15 gallon.
Messaged on FB with the pix of the fig. And, good morning!
Very good, I'll head over and take a look!
Where do you get your bare root plants from? Thank you 😊
We've purchased them from a few places. For local pickup we try to use the Urban Farm Fruit Tree Program. Greg does a great job of bringing in climate appropriate trees for us here in AZ. We also purchase from a few different online nurseries. Grow Organic, Willis Orchard, Planting Justice, Raintree and Stark Bros are all good options and most either ship bare root in winter or in pots the rest of the year.
we bought 2 Grape...one Concord....from TSC and I planted in "Homer" self watering buckets....hope they work! A scene straight out of the movie "Worlds Fastest Indian".....on a Lemon Tree?
We haven't tried the Concord down here. I'll be curious to hear how they do for you. Ok, you'll have to link that movie for me if you can.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm the story of Burt Munro.....en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_Fastest_Indian
Well that is one way to recycle water!
It's all about regenerative ag around here!
I'm not far from you in Surprise. Where is Reed's?
Hey Annie. Reid is the owner of RSI Growers in Glendale. I'll link to his website for you here;
rsigrowers.com/
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm thanks!
Are you in a flood zone?
No, we're adjacent to one that's pretty substantial, but it's a few hundred yards away. We do have a shallow wash that runs through the Eastern orchard and you can see water pool up on that side vs the Western side. We're adding additional mulch on that side to try and capture more of it when it rains.
Just found this one!!! ❤️❤️❤️ Thank you!!!
Here you go. Most of our vines are from bare root cuttings like these and they do great here.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm once again, thank you both so much for everything that you doand the great content you put out there for the rest of us
Great video. Thank you for your knowledge. Where did you get your wire cages for the vines? I’m planting black berry vines. Blessings to you and your family
Great question Wanda and we should have gone over that. The base is rabbit fencing that we buy from Home Depot that is cut into 3' lengths and then formed into the cylinder. Then we add 2' chicken wire to get the cage up to the first 3' wire. This works well for these vines where we want to get the cage around the establishing trunk and snug to the trellising wire, but we use something different for our trees. For those we use 3' hardware cloth cut into 6' lengths and then rolled into a cylinder. That gives the establishing tree more space to spread before it's large enough to grow above the cage. You might want to consider something similar for your berry bushes.
First, great video! This question has to do with no only grapes, but fruit trees as well. Could you do a video or direct me to one you have (as I have not come across one yet) that explains the terms "bare root", "root stock", and cuttings and what that all means in terms of picking the correct trees and vines to plant. I have a very small backyard currently and only have vegetables and herbs, but would like to grow some other things as I find space. Thanks again for your channel - it is awesome!
Hey Roy. Great questions and I don't think we have a video that talks about all of those in one sitting, but I'll see if I can break these down for you. Bare root refers to trees that have been removed from the ground and are sold without a pot or soil. Usually they're shipped in the mail to you during the winter and you plant them in the ground before they break dormancy. Root stock is what most fruit trees have for their root systems. The stock (usually some other type of tree) is grown to a certain size and then the top of the small tree is cut off and another variety of tree branch is grafted onto that trunk. This becomes a grafted tree with a specific type of root stock. Cuttings are simply a branch cut from a tree. Most folks refer to them as cuttings because they will use that branch to make a new tree by sticking the branch in potting soil and allowing the branch to grow new roots for itself. You know, after typing this out it probably makes sense to do a separate video explaining these!! Hopefully this helps a bit in the meantime.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Thanks so much. Us newbies - I can't be the only one! - aren't familiar with the terms and that helps a bunch understand what you are talking about when you use those terms. I have only had one fruit tree that my family got for me when my Dad passed away back in '99 - I think it was an Arizona Sweet Orange and it did amazing, but I had no idea what I was doing. Your channel makes me want to get some land and start an orchard myself. My wife wants to move up north when we retire, so might have to rethink the types of trees we can plant. Thanks again!
@@roywoodruff8161 glad we can encourage you guys to take food security into your own hands. It's strange for us today, but common practice for most of human existence. And yes, the varieties will be different as you head up North. You will also be able to grow in a more "traditional" rhythm with the rest of the country. Here we are opposite in many aspects. You'll have to let us know how it goes!
Please bring us along while fertilizing your trees/plants. Thank you!
The plan is to do just that this weekend. Fingers crossed we can get it done and have it documented for everyone.
What's your water source? Do you have ground well or water stream? I assume you will need lot of water out there.
Hey there Uttam. We use ground water via a private well. We're hopeful that we can use less and less water as we establish the trees around the farm and keep plenty of ground cover around them.
Good to have access to private water well. What's the depth of well? Reason I ask is in California water level is getting too how and hard to get water access day by day. This will give some idea of what the situation in your area for growing stuff. I like your entire setup and tree watering practices.
@@uttamchauhan1486 our well is 600 feet deep with a static water level at 420 feet. All of the wells in the area are drilled to about the same depth and that water fluctuates very little from year to year. We do have restrictions on how much water we can pull from the ground at once, so that helps to keep the source consistent. However, we realize the future can be uncertain, so we're trying to take steps now to reduce how much water we'll need in the future. Some areas of Arizona are much more difficult when it comes to finding a consistent water source.
I was wondering if you guys can grow citrus out there in the desert. Cant wait to see how those grapes pan out, that is on my list to add, not sure if I can this season or next though.
Citrus does really well for us here. When we're done planting I believe we'll have 6 different types of citrus trees growing on the farm with multiple varieties of some of our favorites.
It's always great when the kids show up and stay...for a while.
I need to send you the pix of the fig breaking bud. That weirded me out :)
And now, Duane's magic plant elixir! You'll be a while living that one down. But, where's always the best grass in a pasture? Yup. As I recall from several decades back working in Mexico, women got the luxury of the necessary to 'tinkle' but men were to use the jaboncillo (soapberry tree). This onerous chore kept the necesito from being wet and made the tree bloom better so more berries were made. They were boiled with men's clothes and juniper wood. Hasta, kids!
Martin, you always have the most incredible stories. We were just walking the winter garden beds and I think we may finally get a harvest of some of those black radishes. Looking forward to those!
I will be carefully watching how you train your new grapevines. I have about 15 Flame grapevine cuttings that I'm trying to root at the moment. Hopefully some will take 😊.
Woohoo, that's a great start to any vineyard! Flame grapevines are our favorite type of grape to train. They're spur pruned and we really like the way the cordon system works with those.
We are currently looking at buying some muscadine grapes to grow alongside our chicken coop, so this is very timely! Great info, thank you.
Ooh, you'll have to let us know how those muscadines do. Such a cool looking grape.
Farm is looking good, vegies growing nicely. Cant wait to see it in full bloom of spring.
Right there with you GM. I (Duane) like the way the farm looks in winter, but Lori is tired of seeing the desert and wants that green to come back!
Can’t wait to see the wine making videos!🤠
You know that's coming Finca!
Do you know what the ph level was?. I was told no need to fertilize until u start seeing growth
We had soil testing done when we first arrived on the property and as is typical in most areas of Arizona it's very high at 8.4.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm and how did they do? Mines is around the same and didn't survive
@EdgeofNowhereFarm my soil Is testing around 7.5 -8 not sure if my grapes will grow?
@@christopher87105 you should have no problems there. If anything, you're in better shape than we are here with that PH!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm yeah last year they died off right away not sure
Great job, grapes are on our list for next year, still looking for a Lang Jujube to plant this year. Whitfill Nursery has Li in stock and may have some Lang in a week or two. Thank you for sharing.
Grapes are really fun to grow. So many options for training them on trellising, against walls, etc. I didn't know Whitfill had Jujube. I would have picked up a Li from them!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I’ll give them a week to get in some Lang otherwise I’ll get the Li.
How far will each cordon grow? I am trying to research spacing and its hard to find clear info.
Great question and the traditional spacing for vineyards is usually 6-8 feet. We have round 6 feet to be plenty of space to get healthy production from each vine and keep things manageable. In this setup each cordon is about 2.5-3' in length, but they can easily stretch to 4'. The key is having the right variety for spur pruning. All grapevines will produce with cane pruning, but not all will produce well with spur pruning where you use traditional cordon systems. Flame grapevines do well with spur pruning, but Thompson needs to be cane pruned.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Thank you. If a variety cannot be spur pruned does it require a different type of trellising than one that cane prunes?
@@theorangetreehomestead6660 the trellising would be the same. In fact, you'll actually utilize it more with cane pruning rather than spur pruning as the canes need to be attached to the trellising each year to support the season's production.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Okay I think I will go with a 2 wire trellis then and go with a double cordon system. I looked at all the types of training/trellising and there are so many ways to do it.
@@theorangetreehomestead6660 there really are so many ways to "skin the cat" so to speak. We even considered running the trunk up to 6' and letting it train down vs up on the Monukka.
Have you thought about doing an above ground pond in case water restrictions become intense? Raising fish maybe put a couple of metal carports over it to reduce evaporation.
Great suggestion James! We do have plans to put in a pond or two. The carport is a great idea to put over it, thank you!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I was thinking above ground so there would be no need for pumps
@@jamesgreen2060 ah, ok. I'm not sure. Ponds are on the radar for us, but not immediately. Given we're on a private well, the water restrictions in place are permanent and don't change based on weather patterns. With that, ponds would be more for natural water retention to help recharge the aquifer. With that they would need to be in ground ponds.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I was just thinking worst case scenario no electricity and no pumps. Bring in a bunch of dump trucks and dump them in a circle plumb it and cover with pond liner. No electricity needed for your water source. It’s a little outside the box but makes sense to me kinda me thinking out loud. It would probably be a lot cheaper than digging just wouldn’t look as good.
@@jamesgreen2060 ah, gotcha. I imagine that would work in a SHTF scenario!
Do ya'll have any experience growing blueberries? We used some acidifier amendment you use for hydrangeas to lower the pH and it hasn't done a thing. It's been 4 months!
Great question Andrew and we have tried them in the past without success. That PH is a tough one because not only is the soil alkaline, but the water is as well. So every time you water you're raising that PH! I know there are folks in town that have had some success with them (in pots), so we will probably try them again in the future.
I have Andrew :)
Plant them with peat moss and then continue to mulch the area with them periodically. My blueberries are pretty mediocre so far but we have got a harvest.
@@theorangetreehomestead6660 a single blueberry, now matter how mediocre is an accomplishment!!
Completion of the vineyard planting is a big one to cross off the list.
Were you guys outside the blue bubble for the arctic blast?
Definitely good to get it off the list for sure. We didn't get any severe weather. Just a bit of strong wind yesterday. How are you guys faring?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm- instead of shifting east like cold fronts normally do, this one is moving northeast.
It's missing us completely too... well, next Friday we might get one night in the upper 30s. Hopefully that forecast holds. Everything's popping here.
@@allanturpin2023 this time of year we catch ourselves watching the forecasted low much closer with all the trees budding out, so we know just how you feel. Upper 30's shouldn't be too bad, especially if it's just for a short period of time in the morning.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm- thanks for the reassurances. People in other parts of the country just don't get it... at this time of year.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm- hey. I don't normally do this, but this is a vid from your neck of the woods, and there are a few things that I thought were really cool.
Chuck starts talking about and showing pics of early settlements in AZ, but then he starts sharing a video, so at about the 8 minute mark and at 9 1/2 it shows pics of irrigated agave fields.
If you are unaware of them as I was, it's worth checking out.
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