A close look at blocking and composition in a scene of John Ford's The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. Watch the original scene here: • The Man Who Shot Liber...
I'm old enough to remember when "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" was released. Great breakdown of a great movie. John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart & Lee Marvin all in the same film! Wow, too bad we don't have anyone these days who even comes close to these three giants.
Duke has always been my favorite actor. I have dozens of his films and still enjoy watching them today. He had a screen presence like no other. RIP Duke.
When my grandfather had terminal cancer, my father showed him this video. This was one of his favorite movies of all time. From what my father told me, he was absolutely captivated by this video. Thank you for your work, from time to time I come back to this video to remember him. Today would have been his birthday.
I've always thought it was interesting that the villian's name is Liberty, something usually considered good, and the protagonist's name is Ransom, something usually associated with evil.
Quite interesting. I would add that his name ransom shows that he has been kidnapped - held hostage. Or perhaps he will be the thing that ransoms the west from violence. In the end it only a gun in the hands of a good man willing to use violence that end the reign of terror.
I hated expository writing in high school. I felt like we were asked to take good stories and tear them apart. Today, I can appreciate an exploration such as yours. I still feel the old resentment, sure; however, I've come to appreciate storytelling in all its forms and I see the value in searching for what may lie deeper. Real life can be seen as a combination of pretense and substance. So, I thank you for this glimpse you pulled together so well.
John Wayne steps toward Valance, but the double light and the guy with the hat on remain in the same spot in both shots. In real life the lights would have been more behind him and the guy with the hat would have been out of the shot, but I guess realism doesn't matter. The lights and The guy with the hat would not Have been in the first single shot of John Wayne standing, but the second one after he steps forward, might have included the lights and other guy, so I am saying was standing in the same spot for both of the single shots.
I saw the movie when it came out as a kid. The song Man Who Shot Liberty Valance was on the AM radio, there was no FM to speak of yet. I didn't realize until I saw it many years later that it's one of the best westerns ever made.
I've never heard such an excellent analogy. The points you mentioned would have been easily overlooked as just part of their great acting skills - but you defined each movement like a finely choreographed exposé. You brought out emotional aspects that solidify a person's attention.
I clapped for your analysis. I always had a strong feeling towards this scene, not only for the epic showdown between the 2 titans of the old west, but for this disturbing element that is Ranson. I adore the image that picking up the steak puts an end to the uncivilized and old west, made much stronger by your analysis of the pole that divides the scene.
I liked how he picked up the steak and slapped on the plate and thought that would be it. Even the bad guy Liberty knew that was not a fix. He paid for it but still with that bad guy attitude, dropping it on the floor.Notice ford did not show anybody picking it up. It would have been demeaning to anybody who picked it up.
The last of the John Wayne movies I saw. I didn't discover this one until I was 35! I don't know how I missed it. I remember I stumbled across it on Turner back in 1996, late at night, when in two days I was getting ready to start a pretty big adventure (change of career). I recall telling my late mom I was hungry (which I never did because she'd always zoom into a flurry of food-related activity, beyond what was needed) and she slammed some eggs and grits together and I recall eating it all while watching this wonderful flick. I couldn't get over how I'd never seen it before. The doctor "tending" to Liberty probably my favorite scene!
I stumbled across this scene on TH-cam a couple of days ago, and was fascinated by it. Then...I stumbled across your analysis of it...and was extremely impressed with your description of what the director was doing. I don't want to sound naïve...but, I didn't realize director's could introduce such subtlety into a scene that way. I can see how such masterful work by the Director enhances our understanding and enjoyment of the film/scene. Clearly...these things work on our mind...even if only subconsciously. I'm impressed by your analysis, and enjoyed it very much. I'm going to check out your channel, and I'm sure I will learn a lot...even about some of my favorite films.
@Gary Daniel yes. I certainly have heard of that. I've read an analysis...from political perspective (explaining what the author was "saying"). Been a long time, though. Fascinating. Thanks.
@geezusispan LOL!! That really gives me a laugh. Hilarious. So....assuming you are correct....I think it is pretty amazing that the guy who made the video (head over reels) is so creative as to craft his presentation in this way. Maybe he thought the director was using such devices. But, who knows. Anyway...certainly....there is great art to directing....of which I am wholely ignorant. Best wishes to you.
Love it! This scene is also one of my favorites! Your analysis is spot on! You’ve even pointed things out that I hadn’t really noticed, and I’ve watched this movie many times! Thank you so much for sharing your perspective! ☮️🖖🏽
Excellent expose on a scene from one of the greatest westerns of all time. The steak scene was always a favorite of mine as well. Your insight showed brilliance in relaying Ford's creative & keen direction.
Enjoyable and informative analysis of the scene. Brings home, how a great director such as John Ford, can cleverly and subtly bring so much information and power to a scene.
I really enjoyed your analysis of the scene I've watched that movie tons of times and while I guess I understood what was going on I maybe didn't realize that there was a purpose to it I guess I assumed that it was a natural response to the actors interchanging with each other. I subscribed because of this video. I also wanted to let you know what you called a bullwhip is really a silver adorned Horse quirt. A bullwhip was much longer and needed to be able to reach from a wagon seat or Stagecoach seat to the stock that was being driven. Quirts many times had a loop that the hand would go through so when both hands were needed the quirt could be dropped from the hand and would ride on the wrist on the leather thong. The quirt was used to whip the horse to greater speed and could also be used to shou flys. Take care Simon
Ford knew how to frame a picture. I wonder how long it took to shoot with all those cut aways. Nice analysis.BTW That was Strother Martin and Lee Van Cleef as Liberty's henchmen. Lee was one of Frank Miller's henchmen in High Noon.
outstanding!!!! man who shot liberty valence is one of the top 10 westerns of all times and this scene is simply the best one in any western that did not end in a shootout. fantastic directing by john ford and acting by a several outstanding leading men. that does not even count the contributions of the multitude of great character actors (woody strobe, strother martin, lee van cleef among the most obvious (dont forget the characters in the kitchen ....all staples of ford westerns). greatest single shot in any western ever is the one where lee marvin and the duke are on opposite sides of the line you indicated and jimmy stewart was in the middle but I always point out strother martin ("what we have here is a failure to communicate") on the far left of the shot. Martin may have been the best character actor of his generation. Also, If you extended the left of the shot you would also pick up lee van cleef (angel eyes). What an iconic shot!! moreover, it should also be pointed out that the great sergio leone was highly influenced by this movie and there are many contributions from this classic in his equally great "once upon a time in the west" and yes, woody strobe was in both movies. fantastic analysis ....you thoroughly documented many things I had observed and pointed out to others but you went way beyond what I had noted. really enjoyed this
Thank you for your comprehensive breakdown of the scene/staging. We probably unconsciously take in what you have pointed out, because we've seen so many films that the film 'grammar' is automatically detected.
Excellent analysis! It makes me wonder how much of this scene was Ford, how much was the camera director, and how much was the film editor. Could Ford have possibly envisioned every nuance discussed in this scene? Hard to say. What do you make of Lee Van Cleef pausing to take a bottle of whiskey with him as they leave the establishment? This was truly John Ford's magnus opus in old age . . . .
Wow Wow Wow! What a great analysis!!! I’ve always loved TMWSLV. But I never knew why! The steak seen was always one of my favorites (“Burn me a good one Cookie”) - and you’ve explained why it’s been so impactful. I’ve always seen this film as the “death of the western” - with an anti-hero in Rance, and a questionable hero in Tom - Tom “snipes” LW, he doesn’t go toe-to-tow with him. I’ve always found that unsettling. Amazing Durection - - and Amazing analysis. I’m waiting for Hollywood to make a similar film about the Super Hero genre, which has also run its course. Thank you.
Never made that connection! It fits, though. There were no "good guys" in "Unforgiven." And the "noblest" characters in this film are flawed: Doniphan shoots his rival from the shadows, and Ransom builds his career on a lie. Thanks for the comparison.
Two of my favorites. Wayne was at his best with a dark streak. The Horse Soldiers was a little campy but his character was really interesting. And the Searchers? Wow.
That's really good analysis and demonstrates the art and craft of film making. While watching this scene and movie the casual observer might simply think "Wow, that's a good movie" without knowing the specific staging, movements, acting, and direction, that makes it so. Well done.
Excellent just excellent commentary and explanation. Very well done sir. I have watched this movie at least 25 times and I now understand it better than ever before! Thank-you Sir for your efforts!
You can see the moustached man at 10:02. Comparing this frame with the earlier frame, we get a better picture of the layout of the place and from where the moustached man appears later in the scene.
Superb, superb. This analysis is right up there with Ford scholarship by Tag Gallagher, Joseph McBride, Scott Allen Nollen & Scott Eyman. Cheers & Kudos.
An excellent forensic analysis! Superb acting, actors and very well directed. Even though it was filmed in black and white to me that seems to compliment this overall great, classic movie!
Valance and Doniphon probably knew they'd eventually have a showdown. The way Valance was actually killed was shameful but true to the real west. The Doniphon character wished that Valance had been killed in an honorable way. He said he could live with it but he couldn't.
This movie reminds me of the relationship I had with my father. Dad was a bull in a china shop. Never learned to read or write. Swore like a sailor, fought just about anyone. He never taught me how to fight, so I had to learn to use words, and humor. He respected me and also had a competitive streak with me. He was 40 years my elder, it was a complex, and strained relationship.
I get the scene building, but the bottom line on all movies is the actor. Faces, voice, simple way they stand you put different people in that same scene, and it won't play right. Just about all the actors were perfectly cast.
There is thing not mentioned in this analysis. The shot at 2:45 shows at least five men eating in the foreground but at 4:20 there is a wall where those men were eating.
Interesting take. Not sure if that is what Ford was doing but it makes sense. Drawing with your back turned is just stupid though as you not only need to draw but also acquire your target while turning. Valence was likely drunk however and wouldn't have thought about that as much as saving face.
Agreed. The angry voice, use of violence hand going toward the gun, all would have signaled the need for Wayne to draw and gun Valence down. But I guess without a plot twist, there is no showdown in the street and no story.
My favorite western and and one of John Wayne's best performances and John Ford's best work maybe. I do cowboy action shooting and my alias is Link Appleyard. I learned how to be a man watching John Wayne and my Dad who was a hard man himself. He went to work in the coal mines at age 11 in 1914. He was a boxer and bare knuckle fighter in local evens for $5.00 a fight in the 1920's. There are no men like that today. America could sure use John Wayne now.
Beautiful % Poignant Observation! You gotta do *SHANE* next. Specifically the climatic scene where he walks into *Grafton's* *Saloon* looking for a job with Ryker.
And did you notice how the tablecloth is set so carefully with the glasses and napkins juxtaposed in the realm of complete reactionary concern I also noticed how the windows glare as Liberty Valance walked past it almost giving it a careful stare almost to say you don't scare me it's just amazing how carefully these scenes were thought out
If you think that Tom and Liberty are two sides of the same coin you're gravely mistaken, Liberty is a dry gulcher, Tom will look a man in the eye, two completely different personalities.
I would agree, but think “amoral” should be stricken from the comment. Both Doniphon and Batman definitely worked for and sympathized with the forces of good, which indicates the presence of some form of a positive, personal sense of morality in both men.
The greatest western ever made. John Ford, Jimmie Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, such rare talent, at their best. An American classic....an American treasure.
It is difficult, maybe even impossible, to rate Ford's place among directors. Ford seems to be the reference that so many directors create by, that it is difficult to place him, except as THE reference. Simply saying "John Ford, director" as he called himself, may be the most appropriate. When directors the like of Orson Welles, Martin Scorsese, Frank Capra, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, David Lean, and more all name John Ford as a major influence, Ford is clearly above even being "one of the best".
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance is not the greatest John Ford Western (that goes to The Searchers), but its still a wonderful movie and its a wonderful remolding of the Western that had considerable influence in later films.
Lee Marvin's moustached henchman is the eventually famous Lee Van Cleef, archvillain of Spaghetti Westerns. And Pompey is college football star Woody Strode, who also appeared in Kirk Douglas' "Spartacus" as Draba, the gladiator who sacrifices himself to save Spartacus.
I was rather young when I first watched this movie. I felt very bad for Tom Doniphon. Several decades later I still feel for him if I happen to watch the film.
You have to give Duke credit. he was no kid in 1962 (55...or 54 when filmed), but he holds his own in the scene with Marvin, 17 years younger. Though, if we didn't grow up with John Wayne, it might be harder to buy.
I'm old enough to remember when "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" was released. Great breakdown of a great movie. John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart & Lee Marvin all in the same film! Wow, too bad we don't have anyone these days who even comes close to these three giants.
Duke has always been my favorite actor. I have dozens of his films and still enjoy watching them today. He had a screen presence like no other. RIP Duke.
named my son Ethan
When my grandfather had terminal cancer, my father showed him this video. This was one of his favorite movies of all time. From what my father told me, he was absolutely captivated by this video. Thank you for your work, from time to time I come back to this video to remember him. Today would have been his birthday.
I've always thought it was interesting that the villian's name is Liberty, something usually considered good, and the protagonist's name is Ransom, something usually associated with evil.
Quite interesting. I would add that his name ransom shows that he has been kidnapped - held hostage. Or perhaps he will be the thing that ransoms the west from violence. In the end it only a gun in the hands of a good man willing to use violence that end the reign of terror.
I hated expository writing in high school. I felt like we were asked to take good stories and tear them apart.
Today, I can appreciate an exploration such as yours. I still feel the old resentment, sure; however, I've come to appreciate storytelling in all its forms and I see the value in searching for what may lie deeper. Real life can be seen as a combination of pretense and substance.
So, I thank you for this glimpse you pulled together so well.
Very well done! In analyzing and describing this scene you've made me appreciate the director's art in a way I've not considered before. Thanks.
John Ford should be considered to be a modern Shakespeare for his directing genius.
John Ford was a terrific director, difficult to work with sometimes, but he knew what he wanted and demanded it. One of the best.
John Wayne steps toward Valance, but the double light and the guy with the hat on remain in the same spot in both shots. In real life the lights would have been more behind him and the guy with the hat would have been out of the shot, but I guess realism doesn't matter. The lights and The guy with the hat would not Have been in the first single shot of John Wayne standing, but the second one after he steps forward, might have included the lights and other guy, so I am saying was standing in the same spot for both of the single shots.
I saw the movie when it came out as a kid. The song Man Who Shot Liberty Valance was on the AM radio, there was no FM to speak of yet. I didn't realize until I saw it many years later that it's one of the best westerns ever made.
“The Who Shot Liberty Valance” ~ Gene Pitney.
The movie came out first, they scrambled to use the tune later on, so I’m told.
I've never heard such an excellent analogy. The points you mentioned would have been easily overlooked as just part of their great acting skills - but you defined each movement like a finely choreographed exposé. You brought out emotional aspects that solidify a person's attention.
Analogy?
Lee Van Cleefs no dummy. He grabbed the bottle before they split.
Well he did bring it.
I clapped for your analysis. I always had a strong feeling towards this scene, not only for the epic showdown between the 2 titans of the old west, but for this disturbing element that is Ranson. I adore the image that picking up the steak puts an end to the uncivilized and old west, made much stronger by your analysis of the pole that divides the scene.
I liked how he picked up the steak and slapped on the plate and thought that would be it. Even the bad guy Liberty knew that was not a fix. He paid for it but still with that bad guy attitude, dropping it on the floor.Notice ford did not show anybody picking it up. It would have been demeaning to anybody who picked it up.
The last of the John Wayne movies I saw. I didn't discover this one until I was 35! I don't know how I missed it. I remember I stumbled across it on Turner back in 1996, late at night, when in two days I was getting ready to start a pretty big adventure (change of career). I recall telling my late mom I was hungry (which I never did because she'd always zoom into a flurry of food-related activity, beyond what was needed) and she slammed some eggs and grits together and I recall eating it all while watching this wonderful flick. I couldn't get over how I'd never seen it before. The doctor "tending" to Liberty probably my favorite scene!
Holy cow, this is a great analysis.
I stumbled across this scene on TH-cam a couple of days ago, and was fascinated by it. Then...I stumbled across your analysis of it...and was extremely impressed with your description of what the director was doing. I don't want to sound naïve...but, I didn't realize director's could introduce such subtlety into a scene that way. I can see how such masterful work by the Director enhances our understanding and enjoyment of the film/scene. Clearly...these things work on our mind...even if only subconsciously. I'm impressed by your analysis, and enjoyed it very much. I'm going to check out your channel, and I'm sure I will learn a lot...even about some of my favorite films.
Good, now I don't have to type out all the stuff I was going to write. You said it all.
Late......LOL. isn't it impressive guess I have a deeper appreciation for Directors! love your screen name!
@Gary Daniel yes. I certainly have heard of that. I've read an analysis...from political perspective (explaining what the author was "saying"). Been a long time, though. Fascinating. Thanks.
@geezusispan LOL!! That really gives me a laugh. Hilarious. So....assuming you are correct....I think it is pretty amazing that the guy who made the video (head over reels) is so creative as to craft his presentation in this way. Maybe he thought the director was using such devices. But, who knows. Anyway...certainly....there is great art to directing....of which I am wholely ignorant. Best wishes to you.
Love it! This scene is also one of my favorites! Your analysis is spot on! You’ve even pointed things out that I hadn’t really noticed, and I’ve watched this movie many times! Thank you so much for sharing your perspective! ☮️🖖🏽
Excellent expose on a scene from one of the greatest
westerns of all time. The steak scene was always a favorite
of mine as well. Your insight showed brilliance in relaying
Ford's creative & keen direction.
Tom outburst anger at the bar good too though
Great analysis.
One of the best westerns ever made.
Wonderful & heartfelt essay. This is a truly timeless movie filled with magnificent actors.
Enjoyable and informative analysis of the scene. Brings home, how a great director such as John Ford, can cleverly and subtly bring so much information and power to a scene.
What an enjoyable analysis of a wonderful film! Thank you for creating and posting!
I really enjoyed your analysis of the scene I've watched that movie tons of times and while I guess I understood what was going on I maybe didn't realize that there was a purpose to it I guess I assumed that it was a natural response to the actors interchanging with each other. I subscribed because of this video. I also wanted to let you know what you called a bullwhip is really a silver adorned Horse quirt. A bullwhip was much longer and needed to be able to reach from a wagon seat or Stagecoach seat to the stock that was being driven. Quirts many times had a loop that the hand would go through so when both hands were needed the quirt could be dropped from the hand and would ride on the wrist on the leather thong. The quirt was used to whip the horse to greater speed and could also be used to shou flys. Take care Simon
Ford knew how to frame a picture. I wonder how long it took to shoot with all those cut aways. Nice analysis.BTW That was Strother Martin and Lee Van Cleef as Liberty's henchmen. Lee was one of Frank Miller's henchmen in High Noon.
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I had forgotten van Cleef was in HN. He was in quite a few completely unrelated western classics
thanks for pointing that out
All three actors played in the same episode of the Twilight Zone.
Don't forget Woody Strode was in this movie too.
Well done, Pilgrim!! This is a fine essay about one wonderfully layered and meaningful film by a master director.
Fascinating break down of the scene. Thank you for posting
I enjoyed this video, well done and skillfully narrated. Provides a new perspective on an old classic.
outstanding!!!!
man who shot liberty valence is one of the top 10 westerns of all times and this scene is simply the best one in any western that did not end in a shootout. fantastic directing by john ford and acting by a several outstanding leading men. that does not even count the contributions of the multitude of great character actors (woody strobe, strother martin, lee van cleef among the most obvious (dont forget the characters in the kitchen ....all staples of ford westerns).
greatest single shot in any western ever is the one where lee marvin and the duke are on opposite sides of the line you indicated and jimmy stewart was in the middle but I always point out strother martin ("what we have here is a failure to communicate") on the far left of the shot. Martin may have been the best character actor of his generation. Also, If you extended the left of the shot you would also pick up lee van cleef (angel eyes). What an iconic shot!!
moreover, it should also be pointed out that the great sergio leone was highly influenced by this movie and there are many contributions from this classic in his equally great "once upon a time in the west" and yes, woody strobe was in both movies.
fantastic analysis ....you thoroughly documented many things I had observed and pointed out to others but you went way beyond what I had noted.
really enjoyed this
Woody strobe
sorry ....woody strode
Excellent analysis!
Thank you for your comprehensive breakdown of the scene/staging. We probably unconsciously take in what you have pointed out, because we've seen so many films that the film 'grammar' is automatically detected.
Excellent analysis! It makes me wonder how much of this scene was Ford, how much was the camera director, and how much was the film editor. Could Ford have possibly envisioned every nuance discussed in this scene? Hard to say. What do you make of Lee Van Cleef pausing to take a bottle of whiskey with him as they leave the establishment? This was truly John Ford's magnus opus in old age . . . .
yes he envisioned it, this TITAN was the master of Kurosawa, Leone and Scorsese, of course the cinematographer was key but Ford had a painter´s eye.
Marvin is terrific in this role. Repulsive, truly contemptible, etc. To make an audience despise you takes talent.
My favorite actor of all time. The ultimate bully in this flick, and we hate bullies.
brilliant analysis
Classic Wayne and James and Lee only missing Walter Brennan!
Excellent analysis. .. John Ford was a true Master of his craft.
Nice explanation of subtleties that were perhaps seen, but not recognized. I liked it.
Wow Wow Wow! What a great analysis!!! I’ve always loved TMWSLV. But I never knew why! The steak seen was always one of my favorites (“Burn me a good one Cookie”) - and you’ve explained why it’s been so impactful. I’ve always seen this film as the “death of the western” - with an anti-hero in Rance, and a questionable hero in Tom - Tom “snipes” LW, he doesn’t go toe-to-tow with him. I’ve always found that unsettling. Amazing Durection - - and Amazing analysis. I’m waiting for Hollywood to make a similar film about the Super Hero genre, which has also run its course. Thank you.
Excellent analysis, well done in all aspects of cinematography and character development.👍
I saw this film at age 12 in a small town of Vernon, BC during a vacation in 1962.
It has stayed in my mind ever since that day.
Best. Analysis. Ever.
Excellent analysis of a master film maker's art.
Your analysis is what makes John Ford such a great director.
I love this movie, and this scene, it looks like Wayne, Stewart and Lee Marvin are competing and enjoying every second of it....
You are really good at this. I always liked Liberty Valance and John Ford. You have given me new ways to watch film.
This analysis was excellent.
Probably one of the top 5 westerns of all time. I see a lot of parallels with this and "Unforgiven"
Never made that connection! It fits, though. There were no "good guys" in "Unforgiven." And the "noblest" characters in this film are flawed: Doniphan shoots his rival from the shadows, and Ransom builds his career on a lie.
Thanks for the comparison.
Two of my favorites. Wayne was at his best with a dark streak. The Horse Soldiers was a little campy but his character was really interesting. And the Searchers? Wow.
Excellent breakdown of the scene. There is so much going on with the scene manipulated by the director that the average viewer often overlooks.
This was a really good analysis. Thanks!
Wow, that was fascinating! Didn't realize all the subtle aspects that go into framing and composing a motion picture scene!
That's really good analysis and demonstrates the art and craft of film making. While watching this scene and movie the casual observer might simply think "Wow, that's a good movie" without knowing the specific staging, movements, acting, and direction, that makes it so. Well done.
John Ford was a great filmmaker
Get this!!! I am 59 years old. Never seen this movie until today. WOW!!!! WHAT A MOVIE!!!!
Excellent just excellent commentary and explanation. Very well done sir. I have watched this movie at least 25 times and I now understand it better than ever before! Thank-you Sir for your efforts!
Thoroughly enjoyed this! A brilliant film.
Really well done.
Should do another one on the death of the American Western movie in the 21st century.
Really do miss them.
One of my favorite scenes in one of my favorite movies.
Amazing analysis. Thank you.
You can see the moustached man at 10:02. Comparing this frame with the earlier frame, we get a better picture of the layout of the place and from where the moustached man appears later in the scene.
Superb, superb. This analysis is right up there with Ford scholarship by Tag Gallagher, Joseph McBride, Scott Allen Nollen & Scott Eyman. Cheers & Kudos.
good job, this was the first movie I saw in the theater with my family. Excellent commentary.
Great analysis
one of t the best movie reviews ever
The brilliance of John Ford explained wonderfully!
Excellent analysis and the narrator gives detailed insights into the art of film.
An excellent forensic analysis! Superb acting, actors and very well directed. Even though it was filmed in black and white to me that seems to compliment this overall great, classic movie!
Great analysis, now to watch the whole film again!
I'll tell you, that Liberty might have been a mommyhumper, but he was one TOUGH hombre. Take a close look at 2:02. He ate STEAK with a BUTTER KNIFE!
Valance and Doniphon probably knew they'd eventually have a showdown. The way Valance was actually killed was shameful but true to the real west. The Doniphon character wished that Valance had been killed in an honorable way. He said he could live with it but he couldn't.
This movie reminds me of the relationship I had with my father. Dad was a bull in a china shop. Never learned to read or write. Swore like a sailor, fought just about anyone. He never taught me how to fight, so I had to learn to use words, and humor. He respected me and also had a competitive streak with me. He was 40 years my elder, it was a complex, and strained relationship.
Dude! That was great. Do some more. Subscribed:)
Great video!
Damn.... I never thought that deeply about the scene.
It’s a great scene.
I get the scene building, but the bottom line on all movies is the actor. Faces, voice, simple way they stand you put different people in that same scene, and it won't play right. Just about all the actors were perfectly cast.
Featureman brought me here.
There is thing not mentioned in this analysis. The shot at 2:45 shows at least five men eating in the foreground but at 4:20 there is a wall where those men were eating.
Very good. I don't know anything about film direction. Is it possible some of this was done in editing?
Interesting take. Not sure if that is what Ford was doing but it makes sense. Drawing with your back turned is just stupid though as you not only need to draw but also acquire your target while turning. Valence was likely drunk however and wouldn't have thought about that as much as saving face.
Agreed. The angry voice, use of violence hand going toward the gun, all would have signaled the need for Wayne to draw and gun Valence down. But I guess without a plot twist, there is no showdown in the street and no story.
My favorite western and and one of John Wayne's best performances and John Ford's best work maybe. I do cowboy action shooting and my alias is Link Appleyard. I learned how to be a man watching John Wayne and my Dad who was a hard man himself. He went to work in the coal mines at age 11 in 1914. He was a boxer and bare knuckle fighter in local evens for $5.00 a fight in the 1920's. There are no men like that today. America could sure use John Wayne now.
Beautiful % Poignant Observation! You gotta do *SHANE* next. Specifically the climatic scene where he walks into *Grafton's* *Saloon* looking for a job with Ryker.
And did you notice how the tablecloth is set so carefully with the glasses and napkins juxtaposed in the realm of complete reactionary concern I also noticed how the windows glare as Liberty Valance walked past it almost giving it a careful stare almost to say you don't scare me it's just amazing how carefully these scenes were thought out
If you think that Tom and Liberty are two sides of the same coin you're gravely mistaken, Liberty is a dry gulcher, Tom will look a man in the eye, two completely different personalities.
The dark knight has the same ending. The man of the law must become the hero while the amoral vigilante is cast down and forgotten.
I would agree, but think “amoral” should be stricken from the comment.
Both Doniphon and Batman definitely worked for and sympathized with the forces of good, which indicates the presence of some form of a positive, personal sense of morality in both men.
Where have you been? This was wonderfully done. It's selfish, but I need more!
Ever notice that while all the other characters are chowing down on big steaks and spuds Ranse gets served beans and bread in the kitchen?
Excellent; I didn't put together that both guys tripped someone in the scene deliberately as sort of an ante into the game. That's good stuff.
Please, the movie speaks for it self, thank u
The greatest western ever made. John Ford, Jimmie Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, such rare talent, at their best. An American classic....an American treasure.
It is difficult, maybe even impossible, to rate Ford's place among directors. Ford seems to be the reference that so many directors create by, that it is difficult to place him, except as THE reference. Simply saying "John Ford, director" as he called himself, may be the most appropriate. When directors the like of Orson Welles, Martin Scorsese, Frank Capra, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, David Lean, and more all name John Ford as a major influence, Ford is clearly above even being "one of the best".
Great analysis. I have to go and watch the film again.
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance is not the greatest John Ford Western (that goes to The Searchers), but its still a wonderful movie and its a wonderful remolding of the Western that had considerable influence in later films.
My favorite old western movie of all time❤️
Nice analysis, subbed.
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Well done sir. My favorite movie. Thanks
Good job of making me feel stupid. I really enjoy an intelligent look at directing and staging. Thank you very much
I enjoyed that interpretation.
Lee Marvin's moustached henchman is the eventually famous Lee Van Cleef, archvillain of Spaghetti Westerns.
And Pompey is college football star Woody Strode, who also appeared in Kirk Douglas' "Spartacus" as Draba, the gladiator who sacrifices himself to save Spartacus.
Good job. Thanks.
I was rather young when I first watched this movie. I felt very bad for Tom Doniphon. Several decades later I still feel for him if I happen to watch the film.
Excellent insight, thank you.
Awesome video sir
You have to give Duke credit. he was no kid in 1962 (55...or 54 when filmed), but he holds his own in the scene with Marvin, 17 years younger. Though, if we didn't grow up with John Wayne, it might be harder to buy.
Fantastic deconstruction Sir. Please to watch.
My all time favorite western.