Great video. Interesting description on Se mobilizing. Another additional info is LIEs tend to grow into their Se with time. Aggression and knowing when to put it into work can be tricky and theres usually no in between unless you consciously put in the effort unlike the Se base type who innately know when to pull in the lever. -LIE Sx/Sp 1w2 ENTJ
No, INTP is LII and SEE is ESFP, the jump is too big to make any sense but that don't mean you are suddenly LIE. You are LIE if you fit the elements of an LIE
My question is, how extroverted (in the convention defintion of extroversion) would the average LIE be? I'm pretty sure I'm an LIE, but I know for a fact I am not much of a people person. I prefer hanging out with friends once or twice a week, any more and I feel exhausted.
Really enjoyed your video. Very concise and informative. I myself am INTP 6w5 who’s gotten LIE consistently on tests and identified with the LIE function usage in both Model A and G. Buddy of mine believes another rational Gamma type is mine (ILI), but honestly it sounds far too sheltered and yielding for my style of interaction and conduct. My instincts are externally geared most of all-understanding, explaining and optimizing things and processes, especially at work. Always have ideas and knowledge of trends, typically seen by MBTI ENTJs as very accurate and reliable. Any thoughts?
I do admit that INTP 6 LIE is just a strange combination since it leads with Ti dom. INTPs are theorists, people who excel in understanding systems and working within them, that's not much of an LIE thing, LIEs are pragmatists, individuals who know what works and what doesn't work and they jump on opportunities to seize beneficial endeavors. An LIE is going to be more externally focused, much more assertive, out going than an INTP, LIEs lead with Te base, they're result oriented people who know how to get things done, combine that with Si polr you have a person who is constantly on the move with very little time for relaxation and breaks, this just doesn't really fit INTP imo.
@@Just_Rusted remember that Si polr doesnt just mean being on the "move" it would be about this inner peace, i got typed as an LIE usually because when i get asked a question about what i do to relax, i dont know, i dont see it as relaxing, i see myself as always being relaxed, but i also dont think im the most productive person, since when i am sitting down and watching something, i wouldnt categorize that as being extremely productive, but its more of a, my mind never stops, it always thinks of a new way to do something, there is always some goal in my mind and a goalpost being moved somewhere, i am never satisfied with myself as i am, but feel the inner lets say hole, if i am not working on something, be it watching something i am learning, or anything, i am a pretty idle person, but my mind is always working fully and thinking about something in the future and how it will get acomplished or what i should do next, so when i actually do move, its mostly moves that have been calculated for months in advance and every possibility has been tought trough carefully, so i wouldnt say we just "move move move" thats LSE or SLE or even LSI rather than an LIE, yes i want everything to be as fast as possible and hate "wasting time" but i also "waste time" on things i want to waste time on, the one thing i hate the most is wasting energy on things because i didnt stop and think for a second, that kills me
Not to be blunt man, but that’s not how it works. I am a LIE and Si PolR is not about having your mind always thinking non-stop, it’s about DOING. In fact, I don’t spend too much time thinking about stuff, my thought processes are very linear and I want to put my thoughts in practice asap. Ofc, there are times I am more introspective and engage my Ni creative a lot, especially while taking long walks and thinking about my next steps, but this is always temporary. The ‘restless’ description is pretty on point, Si PolR is exactly that, never being satisfied, not taking time to relax nor valuing it, which can lead us LIEs to burnout (happened many times). Remember ENTJs/LIEs are Te-base and Ti-ignoring, we only think deeply about stuff that are going to benefit us or people we care about in pragmatic ways. We are not the type to be thinking all the time just because it’s fun, inventing theories for the sake of it, nothing of the sort.
Damn you watch peaky blinders too. Are all LIEs close to what thomas shelby is in the case of pragmatism and inferior fi or is he a special case? 😂 Very insightful video as always with a very good catchy delivery.
I'd say thomas is a caricature of LIE more than anything, LIEs are extremely variable type unlike LSIs or SLEs for example, there are many LIEs who are full blown nerdy geeks and there are those that are more serious and driven. Thomas is a caricature because he seemingly has no weaknesses and has an answer for everything.
Is it possible to be an LIE who often procrastinates (and mainly lived in the present as a child, without working or being aware of a long term goal) but relates to all other descriptions?
@@Just_Rusted being pedantic and accurate, good at optimization, abstract thinker that can get stuck with their head in the clouds, planning and adapting. Like literally everything you have listed, except workaholism. I can relate to other Si polr descriptions like negligent towards health and unable to easily tune in with the body's needs. But I can procrastinate a lot despite my great ambitions, I have trouble with following a routine and can only work efficiently when I have a concrete and motivating goal to accomplish. (Although I have proven to myself that I can work hard for very long periods of time, like a whole year without taking a full day to rest if that accomplishes some important goal)
@@FinnandZimaBlue what do u mean? Lie is socionics system, 8w7 is ennegram system.. ENTP is mbti system.. u mean this or do u mean that ENTP or e8 is not compatible?
@@karolciaU-w-U i think it depends more on the subtype, for example sp7 is very LIE, very business-like and focused on getting a good deal out of everything (Te), also probably the most hard-working 7. sx7 and so7 probably don't work tho
@@bigdiam9112 so7 is somewhat debated on for LIE, personally I don't really believe in it, but it isn't as absurd as sx7 LIE. I do think any 7 LIE is also a Sp7 though.
Model A, that is how i got introduced to socionics and it's pretty much the model that nearly everyone uses, it's wide spread. I've seen some examples of gulenko typing and it can get pretty bad, overtyping EIEs and LSIs, combine that with what i know of some of the additional things added to the theory like DCNH subtypes which honestly are misused by everyone to the point where it's like "oh this guy is not an LSI, he is an EIE-D!!" it's cursed.
@@Just_Rusted Interesting. Well, I have to disagree, I guess. I like Model G because it highlights the differences between people of the same type. I dont pay attention to other people's opinions of some famous person's type so I can not comment on that. The only thing that I notice is that I find it easier to type people in my environment with the dcnh framework in my mind. Did you buy Gulenkos book to read about it?
@@dsarah60 I haven't personally bought the book but i've known people who had, i am opened to different systems and interpretations as long as i believe they have use and they don't over complicate things. Don't get me wrong, DCNH in of itself is not bad, i just know people tend to use the subtypes to justify certain logical holes and the whole typing goes to shit, what SLE subtype of DCNH would you say is correct for myself? I've read some of the descriptions and it's hard to relate to most with exception of Creative subtype.
i am entj 8w7 so/sp LIE and thank you for the description but i don't understand why LIE can't be E8 because somtimes whan i do ennegram test i get E3 or E8 but i see E8 more compatible with me
The reason why LIE is 3 over 8 is because LIEs are primarily focused on efficiency, pragmatism, results, resource management, method and such, they're a very intuitive type with Ne demo and Ni creative, their Se is also only mobilizing, so while it can have it's shine, it's pretty sloppy and clumsy element. 8s on the other hand are focused on the here and now, they often lack inhibition or awarness of the future consequences of their actions, they're primarily focused on satisfying their immediate need for intensity. The power hungry, social ladder climbing, planning, ambitious and hard working "8" is just a mistyped type 3. 8s are SLE and SEE in socionics, because of Se base and Ni suggestive fitting the type very well.
@@Just_RustedHey man, idk if you ever watched Mr Robot, but if you have do you think Philip Price is an ENTJ so3? Because he’s obviously mistyped as ‘ENTJ 8w7’ due to being power-hungry af (there’s even a scene where he gives a speech about power)
i was torn between ILI or LIE, i guess this video made it clear i am LIE
Based
Socionics explains why I mistyped as ENTP, I do use a fair bit of Ne.
Great video. Interesting description on Se mobilizing. Another additional info is LIEs tend to grow into their Se with time. Aggression and knowing when to put it into work can be tricky and theres usually no in between unless you consciously put in the effort unlike the Se base type who innately know when to pull in the lever. -LIE Sx/Sp 1w2 ENTJ
Cool typology
@@Just_Rusted that's what i was thinking. sx1 and LIE???🤣🤣🤣
Well conveyed and informative video. Could you cover ILI soon? I’m curious to see your description and approach.
Thanks man and sure, i can do ILI next, they're an interesting type.
@@Just_Rusted Awesome. Keep up the good work 👍
You know who else is "in the clouds?" God.
So I got INTP in the official MBTI and some Socionics guy from TH-cam typed me as an SEE on a very short interview. Would that mean I am LIE?
No, INTP is LII and SEE is ESFP, the jump is too big to make any sense but that don't mean you are suddenly LIE.
You are LIE if you fit the elements of an LIE
I was wondering because you mentioned something similar around 1:53.
My question is, how extroverted (in the convention defintion of extroversion) would the average LIE be? I'm pretty sure I'm an LIE, but I know for a fact I am not much of a people person. I prefer hanging out with friends once or twice a week, any more and I feel exhausted.
Nothing what you said contradicts LIE, an LIE can be socially introverted.
it depends on a person, you can be very social 3 or you can be Louis Bloom
Really enjoyed your video. Very concise and informative.
I myself am INTP 6w5 who’s gotten LIE consistently on tests and identified with the LIE function usage in both Model A and G. Buddy of mine believes another rational Gamma type is mine (ILI), but honestly it sounds far too sheltered and yielding for my style of interaction and conduct. My instincts are externally geared most of all-understanding, explaining and optimizing things and processes, especially at work. Always have ideas and knowledge of trends, typically seen by MBTI ENTJs as very accurate and reliable. Any thoughts?
I do admit that INTP 6 LIE is just a strange combination since it leads with Ti dom.
INTPs are theorists, people who excel in understanding systems and working within them, that's not much of an LIE thing, LIEs are pragmatists, individuals who know what works and what doesn't work and they jump on opportunities to seize beneficial endeavors.
An LIE is going to be more externally focused, much more assertive, out going than an INTP, LIEs lead with Te base, they're result oriented people who know how to get things done, combine that with Si polr you have a person who is constantly on the move with very little time for relaxation and breaks, this just doesn't really fit INTP imo.
wow really how do you describe yourself being intp but also very good with networking cause ur LIE
@@Just_Rusted remember that Si polr doesnt just mean being on the "move" it would be about this inner peace, i got typed as an LIE usually because when i get asked a question about what i do to relax, i dont know, i dont see it as relaxing, i see myself as always being relaxed, but i also dont think im the most productive person, since when i am sitting down and watching something, i wouldnt categorize that as being extremely productive, but its more of a, my mind never stops, it always thinks of a new way to do something, there is always some goal in my mind and a goalpost being moved somewhere, i am never satisfied with myself as i am, but feel the inner lets say hole, if i am not working on something, be it watching something i am learning, or anything, i am a pretty idle person, but my mind is always working fully and thinking about something in the future and how it will get acomplished or what i should do next, so when i actually do move, its mostly moves that have been calculated for months in advance and every possibility has been tought trough carefully, so i wouldnt say we just "move move move" thats LSE or SLE or even LSI rather than an LIE, yes i want everything to be as fast as possible and hate "wasting time" but i also "waste time" on things i want to waste time on, the one thing i hate the most is wasting energy on things because i didnt stop and think for a second, that kills me
Not to be blunt man, but that’s not how it works. I am a LIE and Si PolR is not about having your mind always thinking non-stop, it’s about DOING. In fact, I don’t spend too much time thinking about stuff, my thought processes are very linear and I want to put my thoughts in practice asap. Ofc, there are times I am more introspective and engage my Ni creative a lot, especially while taking long walks and thinking about my next steps, but this is always temporary. The ‘restless’ description is pretty on point, Si PolR is exactly that, never being satisfied, not taking time to relax nor valuing it, which can lead us LIEs to burnout (happened many times). Remember ENTJs/LIEs are Te-base and Ti-ignoring, we only think deeply about stuff that are going to benefit us or people we care about in pragmatic ways. We are not the type to be thinking all the time just because it’s fun, inventing theories for the sake of it, nothing of the sort.
@@thosebeyondgod yup im not Si blind, i figured that out very soon after posting my comment
Damn you watch peaky blinders too. Are all LIEs close to what thomas shelby is in the case of pragmatism and inferior fi or is he a special case? 😂 Very insightful video as always with a very good catchy delivery.
I'd say thomas is a caricature of LIE more than anything, LIEs are extremely variable type unlike LSIs or SLEs for example, there are many LIEs who are full blown nerdy geeks and there are those that are more serious and driven.
Thomas is a caricature because he seemingly has no weaknesses and has an answer for everything.
@@Just_Rusted so he is that bastard character. Got it =)
Is it possible to be an LIE who often procrastinates (and mainly lived in the present as a child, without working or being aware of a long term goal) but relates to all other descriptions?
When you mean relate to all other descriptions, what do you mean exactly
@@Just_Rusted being pedantic and accurate, good at optimization, abstract thinker that can get stuck with their head in the clouds, planning and adapting. Like literally everything you have listed, except workaholism. I can relate to other Si polr descriptions like negligent towards health and unable to easily tune in with the body's needs. But I can procrastinate a lot despite my great ambitions, I have trouble with following a routine and can only work efficiently when I have a concrete and motivating goal to accomplish. (Although I have proven to myself that I can work hard for very long periods of time, like a whole year without taking a full day to rest if that accomplishes some important goal)
Bill Gates is an LIE, and he spoke about procrastination a lot, it was one of his main problems according to what he said
LIE enneagram 8 here, but 3 and 5 are also high in my case
LIE 8? Lol, you are mistype.
@@rwvry Yes, it is... Yes, I am
@@HaiKyPensamentos No... I'm not mistype... LIE means "extroverted thinkers" and 8s use quite a lot "extroverted thinking"
@@rwvry If you say that…
@@rwvry If you say that…
How compatible is type 7 with LIE?
Very compatible with SP7
restless entp 3w4 LIE here, fuck yes ahah
Oh cazzo
@@iblameM gli italiani ovunque ahah
ENTJ 3w4 LIE 👋🏻
@@giorgioj4557 non so quale sia tra i peggio (io sono tra l’altro entp NeTe)
@@FinnandZimaBlue what do u mean? Lie is socionics system, 8w7 is ennegram system.. ENTP is mbti system.. u mean this or do u mean that ENTP or e8 is not compatible?
LIE can be social 7?
Ehhhhh maybe
Careful, ur chapter of Se mobilizing is wrongly named Fe!
Otherwise, thanks for this clear and efficient video xP
If LIE and 7w6 have sense?
Yep, pretty archetypal
@@Just_Rusted could you explain?
@@karolciaU-w-U i think it depends more on the subtype, for example sp7 is very LIE, very business-like and focused on getting a good deal out of everything (Te), also probably the most hard-working 7. sx7 and so7 probably don't work tho
@@bigdiam9112 so7 is somewhat debated on for LIE, personally I don't really believe in it, but it isn't as absurd as sx7 LIE. I do think any 7 LIE is also a Sp7 though.
Do you prefer Model A or Model G?
Model A, that is how i got introduced to socionics and it's pretty much the model that nearly everyone uses, it's wide spread.
I've seen some examples of gulenko typing and it can get pretty bad, overtyping EIEs and LSIs, combine that with what i know of some of the additional things added to the theory like DCNH subtypes which honestly are misused by everyone to the point where it's like "oh this guy is not an LSI, he is an EIE-D!!" it's cursed.
@@Just_Rusted Interesting. Well, I have to disagree, I guess. I like Model G because it highlights the differences between people of the same type. I dont pay attention to other people's opinions of some famous person's type so I can not comment on that. The only thing that I notice is that I find it easier to type people in my environment with the dcnh framework in my mind. Did you buy Gulenkos book to read about it?
@@dsarah60 I haven't personally bought the book but i've known people who had, i am opened to different systems and interpretations as long as i believe they have use and they don't over complicate things.
Don't get me wrong, DCNH in of itself is not bad, i just know people tend to use the subtypes to justify certain logical holes and the whole typing goes to shit, what SLE subtype of DCNH would you say is correct for myself? I've read some of the descriptions and it's hard to relate to most with exception of Creative subtype.
Trump sleeps 4 hours a day and is a workaholic
I think Trump could be an LIE. Even though Gulenko types him SEE and Jack Aaron types him SLE.
I think lots of LIEs get mistyped as Se doms
Why Te base and Ni creative for Trump?
He’s definitely NOT an LIE, he’s most likely SEE
i am entj 8w7 so/sp LIE and thank you for the description
but i don't understand why LIE can't be E8 because somtimes whan i do ennegram test i get E3 or E8 but i see E8 more compatible with me
The reason why LIE is 3 over 8 is because LIEs are primarily focused on efficiency, pragmatism, results, resource management, method and such, they're a very intuitive type with Ne demo and Ni creative, their Se is also only mobilizing, so while it can have it's shine, it's pretty sloppy and clumsy element.
8s on the other hand are focused on the here and now, they often lack inhibition or awarness of the future consequences of their actions, they're primarily focused on satisfying their immediate need for intensity.
The power hungry, social ladder climbing, planning, ambitious and hard working "8" is just a mistyped type 3. 8s are SLE and SEE in socionics, because of Se base and Ni suggestive fitting the type very well.
@@Just_RustedHey man, idk if you ever watched Mr Robot, but if you have do you think Philip Price is an ENTJ so3? Because he’s obviously mistyped as ‘ENTJ 8w7’ due to being power-hungry af (there’s even a scene where he gives a speech about power)