Thanks from a seasoned DxO Photolab user (for more than 10 years, back from the time when its name was still DxO Optics Pro ...). However, there's a lot of user error in this video, which should give DxO's developers clues for making the interface friendlier for people who are unfamiliar with the program. What you thought is an overall "intensity"/exposure slider is actually the strength setting for DxO Photolab's "Smart Lighting" feature, which is the program's HDR tone mapping function (i.e. a function that compresses dynamic range by lifting shadows and lowering highlights to avoid clipping). This tone mapping function can also work with face recognition ("Spotlight" instead of "Uniform") so that faces will always be optimally exposed. This is a very powerful feature that makes good portrait pictures really easy. The only problem is that the program's face recognition is rather bad, and very often you need to manually mark people's faces to make the function work. [Another problem is that the positions of these manual marks also get copied when you apply the correction settings of one image to another image so that they end up marking non-existing faces...] "Smart Lighting" - normally set to "medium" - is particularly powerful in combination with automatic exposure correction, which can be set to protect highlights from clipping. The idea is that the combination of these tools obsoletes white point adjustment (unless you want to purposefully clip the image...). There's also some user error in your use of DeepPrime denoising (as I pointed out in a commentary further down below). While the full screen preview of the image is actually denoised, it doesn't use DeepPrime or DeepPrime XD even when they have been selected, because they are too computing-intensive for real-time full screen preview. Instead, you see the results of the simpler, older, non-Deep Prime denoising algorithm in the full screen preview, and the actual (much smoother) Deep Prime/Deep Prime XD denoised preview in the 1:1 pixel preview thumbnail of the denoising settings menu. You can use a loupe symbol to change the part of the image that gets previewed this way. You will see that the actual Deep Prime/XD denoising is much more aggressive and smoothes out surfaces and often needs to be dialed back. (You probably noticed that, too, after you exported your images and saw that they had much less noise texture than in the full screen preview.) Another thing to look into are DxO's color profiles. A very powerful function is that it can emulate the color science of other digital cameras (including Leica M9, M10, Canon 1D, 5D, Fujifilm X-Trans and GXR) based on DxO Lab's very accurate camera calibration measurements - which means that you can make basically any camera supported by the program look like, for example, a Leica M10. But this is also the program's major downside: It only works with and for cameras for which it has its own calibrations. It doesn't even do generic raw processing of, for example, DNG raw files, but refuses to work if a camera is not explicitly supported. On top of that, DxO has dropped support for a number of older cameras (such as the Fuji S5 Pro) in the course of the history of the program, and some features do not work with all cameras. For example, Deep Prime XD and automatic exposure correction do currently not work with raw files from Fuji X-Trans cameras. For Deep Prime and Deep Prime XD denoising, you need a computer with a powerful GPU/graphics card. For M1/M2 Mac users, this should be a non-issue, but most non-gaming Windows laptops might not be powerful enough to use this feature.
Many thanks for your insights. I found the exposure slider after I had published the video. It's curious how some basic slider are grayed out by default. I also realized that some cameras are not supported and that was a small surprise. Anyway, thanks for the info. It helps me to understand Photolab better.
Thanks, I know this is old but the features explained In this comment and the video as well were helpful. I just got DxO Photolab a few weeks ago and I have to say that it has totally changed my perspective on camera gear. I can now choose an old cheap camera solely based on the ergonomics and it doesn’t matter if I don’t like the camera’s colors or noise at high ISO, a single click of a preset in Photolab fixes all of that. Setting up a preset with my favorite color profile, denoising, and smart lighting gets me the look and the low light performance I’ve always wanted, still using my 12 year old camera. I think the most important part is how easy and automatic it is compared to Lightroom which I always has to make lots of different changes to different photos in order to get to the starting point that i wanted.
About the greyed out sliders, everything is greyed out by default until you change it. Greyed out in Photolab means that you haven’t made any changes to that setting.
Many thanks for this! That there are older cameras that are not supported is a non-go for me - so DxO is out! (This saves lots of time, I no longer need to look into it.)
I just upgraded from DXOPhotolab5 Elite to 6, got it on their black Friday sale. Been using DXOPhotolab since version 2. Been using it in conjunction with Affinity Photo1.
As others have pointed out you can only see the effect of DeepPrime in the small viewer window and not on the full screen view. What you see on the full screen is the HQ noise reduction version. This is because DeepPrime, unlike LR etc, works on the raw data BEFORE demosaicing and this is also why it obviously can't be used on RGB (Tif,jpg etc) images. The processing power required to work on the raw data before demosaicing makes a full screen preview impractical. Once you are used to DeepPrime you know what level of DeepPrime to apply based on the ISO, so it's not in practice such a big deal. Once you have decided which tools you want to apply to most images you can create a preset and in preferences , tell DXO to apply it to all images when they are first opened. As you explore DXO be sure to look at the optical corrections. Unlike LR DXO profile the lens/camera in their optical labs to produce their own optical modules which you download. This is very relevant for MFT as these lenses are designed for computer correction and therefore benefit from DXO. LR uses the jpg lens correction embedded in the raw file. This jpg correction is limited by camera computer power and process time (up to 20 fps :-)) The jpg correction therefore often uses a crop to remove barrel distortion left by the lens designers. Often, with wide angle zooms the lens designers actually use a lens with a shorter focal length than is written on the lens barrel so that the crop produces the quoted focal length. An example of such a lens is the 12-100mm Pro F4. If you set the lens correction to 85% and untick maintain aspect ratio you can obtain an image with a greater fov compared to the jpg. A welcome "free extra" from using DXO. 🙂 The lens module is also used to provide the Lens Sharpness tool, that provides capture sharpening. The lens sharpness pallet provides sharpening customised to the lenses characteristics, typically lenses are less sharp towards the edges of the frame and therefore DXO applies more sharpness to match. You should not use USM sharpening, which DXO also supplies, as that is for sharpening RGB images. The lens sharpness palette also contains a rather strangely names "Bokeh" slider which is used to restrict sharpening of out of focus areas. The Smart Lighting slider is an unusual tool as it alters both shadows (fill Light) and can recover highlights but its behaviour is difficult to predict. It attempts to provide a 1 slider tool for balancing the overall exposure and was very useful before the introduction of local edits. The Exposure compensation slider ia a straightforward exposure slider but there are drop down choices for pulling back on highlights. Photolab greatly benefits from the addition of FilmPack Elite as this adds a fine contrast slider and tonal contrast sliders to the DXO interface for highlights, mid-tones and shadows. Under the Colour Rendering palette you get the choice of using different colour profiles (with a slider to control intensity) and your own, or third party dcp profiles. Finally, and this is important for a LR user, the UI is virtually completely customisable, something a LR user never looks for because LR customisation is minimal. Thus you can get the UI to look how you like and also display which tools and in whatever order you like. You can save workspaces and switch between them with a couple of mouse clicks. There is a bug currently with a particular Mac OS version that gives a colour cast with DeepPrime. I can't remember which Mac OS as I'm on Windows but the fix is scheduled for December release version 6.1, I believe. I hope this helps :-)
@@mattisulanto I used LR from V1-6 before switching to C1 as my main raw processor, but DXO Photolab has superior lens corrections and noise control. Just relaying what I have learnt from others. From personal experience learning new software is difficult :-) Sliders, even with the same name, don't necessarily do the same thing eg DXO highlight, shadows etc sliders cover a much broader range than in LR and are not really comparable. DXO works in its own way probably reflecting its gallic origins :-) These differences often mean people give up on Photolab as they are tripped up by, for example, the DeepPrime viewer window, they use USM sharpening because that's what they are used to, they don't like the UI but don't realise it's customisable etc. I will be interested to see how you get on :-)
Oh my gosh I noticed this with the Panasonic Leica 15mm 1.7, when I turn on lens correction in DxO Photolab I suddenly have a wider frame, by like ten percent, it’s really significant!! I was wondering how that could happen!
downloaded a trial version a week ago and immediately purchased after seeing what it did for my Lumix S5 RAW files and the lens correction on a 16-35 was just great. The white point workaround you pointed out is a great idea - thank you!
I've used DxOPhotolab4 and 5 for several years. DxO has been great providing free updates to add features and correct bugs. DxOPhotolab5 has been my first stop in photo processing. The standard/default adjustments are applied automatically (this can be shut off if preferred). You can "go crazy" with adjustments, but I prefer keeping it simple: apply denoise; set Clearview to 25; set microcontrast to to auto; set color to use the camera's color format. This does 90-95% of the work. Further tweaks can be done in Photolab or in another program by file export. DxOPhotolab5 and 6 does an outstanding job with batch processing. From DxO library, select all the raw files to be edited. Then I do my basic edits described above. Then export to tiff. Each image looks strikingly improved compared to the original. The results are "good enough" for most people and for social media. Perfectionists can use their favorite tools to put the final polish for printing. Batch processing with DxOPhotolab6 (I upgraded) let my computer do the work for me processing the 4000+ photos from an extended tour in South America! Looking forward to seeing your future videos on DxOPhotolab6. As usual, your work shines!
As a correction, DXO Photolab 6 can utilize two monitors. Just not the same as Lightroom. I "undocked" my image viewer, and I now have the grid layout on monitor 2. Upon closing and opening, the grid layout comes right back up on monitor 2!
You see the results for the noise reduction only on the small window on the right. Only when you develop the raws files into jpgs or tiffs. In the big window in the middle you see only the high quality noise reduction and not the prime, deep prime ore deep prime xd noise reduction. When you use it it takes some time, but the results are really breathtaking. Prime XD takes probably some minutes depending on your processor.
@@mattisulanto What you see in the main windows is actually not the Deep Prime denoising result, but the result of the simpler (non-AI) denoising algorithm. Deep Prime and Deep Prime XD are too computation-intensive to allow full screen preview. You only see the actual Deep Prime/Deep Prime XD denoising result in the thumbnail view that is part of the Deep Prime settings menu.
I use DxO, CaptureOne and Lightroom. DxO has become my favorite. It renders M4/3 images quite well. It has a shirt learning curve coming from the other programs. Yep, no slider for the white, just the curve. Have fun.
PL is my main processor since a couple of years ago I wanted to upgrade from SilkyPix (which isn't as bad as it's reputation, but not the best either). I tested all the main app and PL immediately popped out by the quality that I got with the default settings. Most important for this is the "SmartLighting" feature that really does a very good job for most pictures with it's 25% default setting. Some remarks for beginners: There is in fact no white point for exposure, only for white balance. I too use the curve for that, but with clipping indicators (on the upper left below the histogram). On really difficult lighting situations it can help to play with the "microcontrast" (which is a local contrast filter, not really "micro"), or with "ClearView", which I seldom set to more than 10%. Preview for denoise and sharpening is only in the smal view on the right, the image preview just comes near, but isn't the actual outcome of the denoise engine. DeepPrime has become very fast with a recent PL 5 version on Apple M1 processors. The widely praised camera/lens modules are really an asset of this software, but they are not flawless. For some lenses I need to correct the distortion setting when my subject is very rectilinear. For anyone considering to buy PhotoLab: you need to purchase the "elite" version and you'll need the ViewPoint extension. Purchasing all updates, PL isn't much cheaper than Lightroom, but for me, it is better.
@@mattisulanto Yes and no... The main preview does reflect your settings, but it is always rendered with standard denoise, not *PRIME. So you don't see the actual result here. If you preview a really noisy image and compare the main window to the small preview below the denoise settings, you'll see what I mean. For noisy images, the denoising also affects the sharpening, of course. I sometimes reduce denoising to 33 to retain better sharpness with still very good denoising.
I've only been using PhotoLab since PL4, choosing DxO over LR/PS based on reviews and the lack of Adobe's subscription-based model (although the updates can add up). I also got FilmPack and the Nik Collection and now have the latest iterations of all of these plus ViewPoint 4 and Topaz Photo AI, so there's very little I can't do with great precision (other than PS-related things like pano stitching, which I rarely do--for that I got PSP 2022 Ultimate for the price of several months of an Adobe subscription). I find the DxO workspace/workflow reasonably intuitive and very powerful, enabling me to achieve great results (although I'm still working my way up the learning curve). The possibilities can be overwhelming, especially when you add the Nik plug-ins. Fortunately, there are a lot of tutorials. It's just amazing what you can do compared with film (sans noxious chemicals or the need to work with a safelight), yet replicate a similar look when desired. It'll be interesting to see what you think after spending more time with DxO...
With finite and limited spending, I bought into Pure Raw (Mark 1), have a continuing Adobe LR/PS subs and had old Topaz product that I just last week updated for 1 year. Pure Raw is really, really good for raw, I think it does a camera body + lens combo profile - not just the lens by itself. Meaning if you use the same lens on two different bodies, it asks to download two different optical profiles. Although Pure Raw 2 has an enhanced NR (called XD), I could not distinguish enough difference, so remain with Pure Raw. If I didn't have Pure Raw, I would buy Pure Raw 2. This is my automatic pre-processing before hitting ACR / LR. PhotoLab will have the NR plus the famous Dxo perspective controls and connect to the famous film sims (not sure if they are included or you need to buy separately). However, with LR / ACR, I have become very comfortable with the results from tonal & colour adjustments. For me, I am reluctant to abandon that comfort to re-learn a new system of sliders. The Topaz NR works with non raw files (TIFF and JPEG). has one click NR, sharpening, enlargement - that's why I updated.
Unfortunately, almost all photography TH-camrs feel compelled to comment on DxO PhotoLab without a full understanding of how its unique features work. Sure, it has most of the usual raw adjustments, which seems to be the point of comparison, but reviewers miss the subtleties of their Smart Lighting, ClearView Plus, and especially Control Points. PhotoLab's Smart Lighting is not the same as their Exposure Compensation, which works the same as the more traditional Exposure slider in LR. ClearView Plus may seem similar to LR's Dehaze in some ways, but I find it much more subtle, and overall more useful. White Point can be adjusted using their Tone Curve (just like with LR, but DxO's implementation is not as powerful), but I rarely find the need, given the other adjustments. Fortunately, most reviewers recognize DxO's superior raw conversion and noise reduction. Fortunately, it doesn't have to be either/or: DxO's plug-in extra makes it possible to pass the raw file to PhotoLab, then back (similar to PureRaw). PhotoLab is not as complete an environment as LR, but the two are complementary. If all you want are the optical corrections and noise reduction, get PureRaw. If I could have only one, I would stick with LR, but add PureRaw, but I often do all of my edits in PhotoLab and pass it back to LR as a TIFF. I could make PhotoLab do the job by itself, but I would have to give up LR's mature catalog, its new masking enhancements, and (of course) access to Photoshop for advanced processing.
I'm using Photolab 5 and won't be upgrading to 6 till Fuji file support is fully implemented. I'm hoping that DXO will do some good form of AI masking finally. Shame they charging so much for something as basic as perspective correction(looking at you Viewpoint). Overall I'm happy enough with their software but I agree it isn't complete environment. The other addition piece of software I don't regret spending money on is their Filmpack6. gives great results combined with Photolab and Fuji files.
Thank you and another enjoyable and informative video. Like you I am a long-time Lightroom user and have started to complement that by using Photolabs in the last couple of years. I used it especially heavily on my COVID project digitizing many years of old slides - then still using LRC for the catalogue and exporting to SmugMug. I am a very long-time user of NIK filters and, understandably, enjoy control points. One disappointment is that Photolabs 6 does not support Fuji in Deeprime XD after supporting Fuji, at long last, in V5! Maybe it'll come.
I think we have a similar background in that I remember when Lightroom and Apple's Aperture first came out. I tested both, liked both, as each had advantages. In the end, I liked Aperture a bit better, and being a Mac user I went with Aperture. I loved Aperture right up to the point that Apple abandoned it. I considered going to LR when Apple killed off Aperture, but I went to Capture One for awhile and then I discovered DXO - back then it was DXO Optics Pro. DXO does things VERY differently than LR. Certainly there will be a learning curve, but I think you will find it worthwhile. Oh, and as others have mentioned - you cannot see the effects of Deep Prime or Deep Prime XD in the main window. Even the preview window does not do it justice. To see what that noise reduction can do you have to export the file with the reduction on. Scott
Previously used Lightroom and P.S. for several years and decided to go with Capture One and if needed, Affinity. I also, have On-One Photo Raw and it's great, too with everything under one roof and really excellent de noising, layers and really everything you could want. Recently, Capture One sent out an update and even with Black Friday and an upgrade "deal" it was close to $200 just for an upgrade from 2022 to 2023. I didn't find anything in the upgrade worth that price. So, already owning DXO 4, I upgraded to DXO 6 primarily because they now support the Leica SL2 where they hadn't before so my version of DXO was unusable on my SL2. DXO 6 upgrade was a good price on BF. I think it will do everything I need and I can still use Capture One 2022 if needed but I just may gravitate away from Capture One in the long run.
White point, no there isn't one but use the tone curve (gain curve) to do the same thing to pull the highlights down. When we switch editors, there's always something that seems back to front (notably - like have you ever used Silkypix?)
@@mattisulanto The only "disadvantage" is, the size of my DNG file gets 3x greater. But otherwise, storage isn't anymore really expensive. And it didn't work with compressed DNGs, you created with LrC. As far as I understand, the DxO Opticmodules are optimised in relation of camera and lenses by empiric datas.
Very cool! I’ve been using PL that had the original DeepPrime as a plug in for Lr. Now if PL 6 had an upscaling feature where I could de-noise, do optical corrections and upscaling, I would buy it right away. For now I’m just going to wait.
I have Photolab 4 Matti and love it. Beware, when you use the Deep Prime you cannot see the effect in the main window, only the preview window on the right (Unless this has changed with later versions). One very annoying apparent omission though is that there doesn't seem to be a way in version 4 to change the canvas size (For example if I have a 16x9 image and want to display it on a square canvas with a white border), which is bizarre given free photo editing software allows you to do this.
@@mattisulanto Ha. Try exporting it and watch what happens to the colors. The "live preview" doesn't seem to show the actual result. No mater how I export the files, they get EXTREMELY blue compared to the preview. As you move DOWN in the Deep Noise levels, the colors remain more accurate. Weird and stupid.
@@mattisulanto You are wrong. You CANNOT see the results in the main window. It is also in the DXO documentation. Please stop spreading fake information. Makes me question your videos now.
I will still say Adobe is the most professional creativity company out there, because they work on all kinds of gadgets. Not just computer and iPad pro.
@@mattisulanto phone, tablet, Tesla can even get it installed on their big screen 😊 galaxy tab s8 ultra is a big power tool, but can't use most of the other apps than Adobe, because it is not Apple 🤦♂️
I purchased DxO last week but have not tried it yet. Of course, you can mitigate noise in Lightroom too, usually it's a question of finding the right balance between noise reduction and sharpening, what you gain on one end you lose on the other. I guess the only way to further improve noise in PP is to have algorithms that guess what information was lost when taking the picture and substitute it with new, made-up information. Up to a point this is acceptable, and in fact this is how all digital imaging (or sound reproduction) works, but if one goes too far it's not "photography" anymore, but something else. It is also true that our visual perception works in a similar way, the eyes provide some data but the brain fills-in a lot of gaps, only a tiny proportion of our visual field is actually in focus at any given point in time, the DxO in our brain compensate for it
I have been struggling since Lightroom exists on how Lightroom re-interprets the colors. LR's colors looks like artificial, as well, the density of the image (not so noticeable), specially when the picture is slightly modified this gets more visible. Long time ago, a very simple free RAW Editor made by an small group of photographers that came to existence, gave much better results regarding color interpretation, but it also didn't looked 100% realistic and it lacked of certain features. Then I saw how Capture One interprets colors and man... I think that one is unbeteable. Yet I have not made any comparisson between DXO PhotoLab and Capture One, and the one from DXO is doing a superb job, specially with that "potect saturated colors" slider plus vibrance and saturation modifications. Even if the saturation slider is crancked, colors rermain stable with a good gamut. The downside is the DeepPrime XD Noise Reduction produce ugly results against DeNoise from LR, which is incredible. EDIT: the DeepPrime XD needs to be rasterized in order to be visible. It does a similar or greater result than the DeNoise from LR.
The problem seems to be the neural engine. By default, photolab uses the neural engine of the M1 processor. You can change that in the advanced settings of Photolab. (Neural engine -> GPU). It will take longer to export the image with the GPU but DeepPRIME XD won't turn your image purple
@@walterzannoni doubt it. The problem was reported on Oct 28. The last word from DxO support is that they are "in contact" with Apple to see if Apple will fix their neural engine or if DxO will have to fix the issue in their software -- most likely to mean that other than to acknowledge that the problem exists, no work or little work has been done to address this. Other photo editing software uses Apple's neural engine on Ventura and no problems.
Thank you for reviewing editing software. I think you should also review Capture One, you can start with the free Capture One Express for Sony (also available for Fuji and Nikon).
I use DXO raw and it is brilliant. However how does photo 6 service photo finding? Can it read Lightroom metadata? If not it is useless, in my opinion.
I tested PhotoLab 6 on and off within the trial period. The most impressive is the noise reduction feature DeepPRIME XD and the lens sharpening. The result is really smooth and without the artifacts from Topaz Photo AI (still haunted per Dec 2022). Those two tools isolated are worth the money for the PhotoLab 6. But of course there are a number of other very good tools in the lab. What bothers me is the following: The sharpening is not relayed to the screen, the small loupe sucks. Next, why present us to a masking brush with one forced color - blue, it has to be changeable for differently colored backgrounds. Further the Edge brush doesn't show its edges which is awful considering the general technical level of the lab. Finally about the masking brush - apparently? - it can't draw a straight line, at least not with the usual combination left-click + shift - move to a new position and left-click again. I would also prefer that the local adjustment panels didn't show up in the area I am about to edit - preferably outside the image. This is a special problem I brought upon myself with an ARW file in ACR: If you for some reason have produced an Enhanced DNG in Lightroom/ACR, i.e. have upscaled 2 times, and you want to process this larger DNG in the lab, e.g. to deal with the noise up front, the lab strips the file from its enlarged attributes and the original size of the raw file is output as a DNG - useless in such cases for obvious reasons.
Photolab 6 sure is nice. Feels a lot snappier then Photolab 5. I need to figure out some color space settings though, cause presently I cannot for the love me get my pictures (in terms of color) to look the same outside of photolab 6 as from within photolab.
A wide gamut in an editor will do that. Outside of the editor is usually sRGB. As an acquaintance found sending his photos to the local news paper in Adobe-RGB, they will print that and it looks utterly horrible, they want sRGB. Use your normal viewing gamut in the editor, or you will adjust it all kinds of wrong.
If you buy DXO Photolab 6 Elite, which plugin you need for lens correction? DXO offers also Viewpoint. What is the difference or is viewpoint already integrated in DXO Photolab 6?
As far as I can understand, Viewpoint is a dedicated perspective and distortion correction app. Photolab uses DxO Optics Modules, which are the same as lens correction profiles. They can correct lens distortions, vignetting etc. So, my opinion is that for lens correction you don't need Viewpoint. But, like I said in the video, I'm only learning DxO😀
Can anyone recommend a stand alone panorama stitcher that works with RAW files or at least DNG? I really like DxO PL as well but hate having to move to Lr just for panos
Hi, great video! I have been a DxO customer but haven't used their products in a year or two. I'm seeking software as stand-alone or as a PS/LR plugin. Someone suggested DXO 6 Elite. I would like to batch process a number of photos that include face recognition if possible. I currently use Skylum Luminar AI and I can batch process dozens or hundreds of photos applying effects like color, lighting and the software will also find all faces and brighten the faces to the level I prefer. Does DxO software do such a thing? Thanks so much! Richard
Problems, though. Photolab 6 creates SIGNIFICANT color shifts on export as you move up the Deep Prime noise removal levels. HQ does ok, but compare it to Deep Prime XD. Looks fine in the viewer, but export it to DNG, TIFF, or JPEG, etc., and the colors shift significantly toward the blue end. Take a screen shot of the preview and compare it to the export. Not even close. Also, PureRaw works better at removing noise as a standalone, but ONLY if it's out of LightRoom as a plugin, for some reason. Run an image with the standalone software and it blows the highlights! When it works, it's better than Topaz DeNoise IMO, but you have to jump through a LOT of hoops to get it to work properly. At least on my M1 mac.
I believe what you say and see, but I can't see the same. Maybe it's camera file specific or something. I tried exporting several photos and could not see any significant color shift after export. I used DeePRIME XD with different settings.
@@mattisulanto Strange. I'm on a 16 in M1 MBP. Apparently several others are experiencing the same thing...? Ill keep looking into it, but it doesn't do it when I used the PureRaw plugin in Lightroom. I've been doing that and then importing that product for editing in PL6. Just so redundant. Even the little preview window under the Deep Prime section shows the color shift in the preview and when the exported product appears in the view panel it shows the blue cast. No idea what's causing it.
Long time user here. There is no white point slider as such in Photo Lab Elite. Never used lightroom so I don't know what it does. If it's just the same as the blacks slider in reverse there are plenty of ways to achiece this effect, but I'm betting they may add a "white point" to appeal to potental Lightroom crossovers, such as yourself, who feel lost without it.
@@mattisulanto which ones have been imported, star rating or colour ratings or was it mixed? Do you save the LR ratings in an XMP file together with the inage in LR?
@@dirk.4711 Like I said I don't know why some ratings transfer and some not. There seems to be no logic to it. Maybe you you should look for a Photolab user group and ask there how that works. I'm a beginner with Photolab and unfortunately I can't answer your question. I also have to find answers to that and some other questions as well.
You hopefully know that the Prime denoising result will only show up in the developed picture, but not on screen when still in editing mode… Only the little preview window in the right bar will be rendered in advance.
@@mattisulanto this is interesting. I have not used DxO Photo lab solely because I like to see the noise reduction in a preview, so I just dump stuff in PureRaw and throw it in Lightroom. Hmm
@@mattisulantoIn that case it might be depended on the system requirements. On my MacBook 2016 it definitely does not show the final result in full size preview.
@@mattisulanto some Basic Panel (Shadows, Highlights, Contrast, Clarity, Dehaze in Camera Raw and Lightroom) act in a non-linear, context sensitive way and can add contrast flicker, color shifts and other artifacts to timelapses which are impossible to remove. So I try not to touch this settings for timelapse photography editing
I have never liked the UI and workflow bizarre-ness of Lightroom, trying to be too many things at the same time. I only put up with LR because its decent RAW file support and editing.
i assume you use the elite version. i am not an experienced user, but it is worth to mention, that for full experience, you need photo lab elite, viewpoint and dxo filmpack elite -> just alltogether it is a full experience without hdr merge and panorama stich. not sure with the nik collection ... I assume there is no full screen preview of deepprime - export with deepprime takes a few seconds (with graphic card accelaration). dp xd is quite a gimmick 😁, it is oversharpering objects in background 😠. it is also worth to mention that there is no external lens profile support - laowa lens for m43 is litteraly just one lens. if you know how to import external profile, please let me know.
I stopped using Lightroom years ago & switched to DXO. I have upgraded with every improvement, including 6, & IMO I think it is the best program for digital.
I don't shoot Fuji but I read that DXO is now supporting Xtrans sensors. This is from their website: "DxO’s latest software brings exciting news for Fujifilm photographers: both DxO PhotoLab 5 and DxO PureRAW 2 now process files from X-Trans sensors, producing remarkable levels of detail."
I use Dxo Photolab 5 with Fuji. I'm happy with results and in addition I use Dxo Filmpack. I didn't upgrade yet to Photolab 6 because it doesn't fully support xtrans sensors yet. Big grip I got with DXO is their lack of basic perspective corrections. For this you have to buy their DXO Viewpoint which isn't cheap. Also their pricing for NIK collection is a rip-off.
@@kamilpotato3764 fuji is working with pl6, but not all is supported - auto smartlightning, dead pixel coverage, just some denoise techniques available - beta 😁, but it applies to version 5 and 6. not just 6. the price is high, you need to pay (when discount available) ca. 280-290 euros, but at least on pics from cameras with smaller sensor (16mpx m43) you see the difference. ff or newer fuji does not need denoising so much.
I see lots of DXO fanboys commenting, but hey, they are biased. To my eyes (and I'm RAW software agnostic), the images don't look anything special after being processed by Photolab 6. Adobe is weak in 2 areas - it's colour science and AI NR. C1 pro is better with colour science imho, and of course, Topaz and DXO lead the way with regard to AI NR (with my nod going to DXO). Lightroom classic has some awesome masking abilities now (I'm not really super familiar with them though) and I'm not sure if PL6 has anything like that or not.
@@mattisulanto oh yes, absolutely. I'm no fan of Adobe, or Phase 1 for that matter. I rely on my eyes to judge something, rather than a fandom. Fandoms are very dangerous things imho.
Big problem with DXO is their segmentation. Do you want correct perspective? Buy viewpoint. Do you want some creative effects? Buy NIK collection or DXO Filmpack6. Noise reduction and their lens/body profiles are probably best on market but their segmentation and lack of better AI masking is big omission. And I'm saying it as someone who uses DXO Photolab 5 and DXO Filmpack 6. I won't be upgrading to vesrion 6 anytime soon because Fuji file support isn't fully implemented yet.
I have both, but only just upgraded to PL6, so I haven't had a chance to compare DeepPRIME XD with DeNoise AI (which I've been accessing via Photo AI which also includes Sharpen and Gigapixel). DxO offers a far more comprehensive set of tools (not perfect, but to me as good or better than anything else available), but Topaz works with any files, not just RAW (I'm referring to DeNoise, which along with Gigapixel can transform old, low-res JPGs--DeepPRIME only works with RAW). Even "regular" DeepPRIME (PL5 Elite) produces amazing results--very clean and natural--even from high-ISO, low-light shots with smaller-sensor cameras. Software like this make gear even less relevant than it already was!
If you are professional, I mean paid photographer, DxO is unusable. It is huge pain in the ass switching tabs, without hotkeys. As well no copying photos from sd card feature exists. Sliders work different and not good. There are a lot of good features and if you are editing single “professional” landscape photo for flicker then yes. It is usable. But if you have 5000 photos from event which you should select, match exposure and colors… no way. I’ve tried.
Almost noise free means there is still some noise. For some even minimal noise is too much and others don't mind some noise. I'm not blind, obviously, and I don't believe you are stupid, so please, be polite in your comments.
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Thanks from a seasoned DxO Photolab user (for more than 10 years, back from the time when its name was still DxO Optics Pro ...). However, there's a lot of user error in this video, which should give DxO's developers clues for making the interface friendlier for people who are unfamiliar with the program.
What you thought is an overall "intensity"/exposure slider is actually the strength setting for DxO Photolab's "Smart Lighting" feature, which is the program's HDR tone mapping function (i.e. a function that compresses dynamic range by lifting shadows and lowering highlights to avoid clipping).
This tone mapping function can also work with face recognition ("Spotlight" instead of "Uniform") so that faces will always be optimally exposed. This is a very powerful feature that makes good portrait pictures really easy. The only problem is that the program's face recognition is rather bad, and very often you need to manually mark people's faces to make the function work. [Another problem is that the positions of these manual marks also get copied when you apply the correction settings of one image to another image so that they end up marking non-existing faces...]
"Smart Lighting" - normally set to "medium" - is particularly powerful in combination with automatic exposure correction, which can be set to protect highlights from clipping. The idea is that the combination of these tools obsoletes white point adjustment (unless you want to purposefully clip the image...).
There's also some user error in your use of DeepPrime denoising (as I pointed out in a commentary further down below). While the full screen preview of the image is actually denoised, it doesn't use DeepPrime or DeepPrime XD even when they have been selected, because they are too computing-intensive for real-time full screen preview. Instead, you see the results of the simpler, older, non-Deep Prime denoising algorithm in the full screen preview, and the actual (much smoother) Deep Prime/Deep Prime XD denoised preview in the 1:1 pixel preview thumbnail of the denoising settings menu. You can use a loupe symbol to change the part of the image that gets previewed this way. You will see that the actual Deep Prime/XD denoising is much more aggressive and smoothes out surfaces and often needs to be dialed back. (You probably noticed that, too, after you exported your images and saw that they had much less noise texture than in the full screen preview.)
Another thing to look into are DxO's color profiles. A very powerful function is that it can emulate the color science of other digital cameras (including Leica M9, M10, Canon 1D, 5D, Fujifilm X-Trans and GXR) based on DxO Lab's very accurate camera calibration measurements - which means that you can make basically any camera supported by the program look like, for example, a Leica M10.
But this is also the program's major downside: It only works with and for cameras for which it has its own calibrations. It doesn't even do generic raw processing of, for example, DNG raw files, but refuses to work if a camera is not explicitly supported. On top of that, DxO has dropped support for a number of older cameras (such as the Fuji S5 Pro) in the course of the history of the program, and some features do not work with all cameras. For example, Deep Prime XD and automatic exposure correction do currently not work with raw files from Fuji X-Trans cameras.
For Deep Prime and Deep Prime XD denoising, you need a computer with a powerful GPU/graphics card. For M1/M2 Mac users, this should be a non-issue, but most non-gaming Windows laptops might not be powerful enough to use this feature.
Many thanks for your insights.
I found the exposure slider after I had published the video. It's curious how some basic slider are grayed out by default.
I also realized that some cameras are not supported and that was a small surprise.
Anyway, thanks for the info. It helps me to understand Photolab better.
Thanks, I know this is old but the features explained In this comment and the video as well were helpful. I just got DxO Photolab a few weeks ago and I have to say that it has totally changed my perspective on camera gear. I can now choose an old cheap camera solely based on the ergonomics and it doesn’t matter if I don’t like the camera’s colors or noise at high ISO, a single click of a preset in Photolab fixes all of that. Setting up a preset with my favorite color profile, denoising, and smart lighting gets me the look and the low light performance I’ve always wanted, still using my 12 year old camera. I think the most important part is how easy and automatic it is compared to Lightroom which I always has to make lots of different changes to different photos in order to get to the starting point that i wanted.
About the greyed out sliders, everything is greyed out by default until you change it. Greyed out in Photolab means that you haven’t made any changes to that setting.
Many thanks for this! That there are older cameras that are not supported is a non-go for me - so DxO is out! (This saves lots of time, I no longer need to look into it.)
I just upgraded from DXOPhotolab5 Elite to 6, got it on their black Friday sale. Been using DXOPhotolab since version 2. Been using it in conjunction with Affinity Photo1.
Thanks for sharing.
I just purchased On1 Raw 2023 with all plug ins for 150. Outstanding software all under one roof and saving around 100 on Black Friday deals
Thanks.
As others have pointed out you can only see the effect of DeepPrime in the small viewer window and not on the full screen view. What you see on the full screen is the HQ noise reduction version. This is because DeepPrime, unlike LR etc, works on the raw data BEFORE demosaicing and this is also why it obviously can't be used on RGB (Tif,jpg etc) images. The processing power required to work on the raw data before demosaicing makes a full screen preview impractical. Once you are used to DeepPrime you know what level of DeepPrime to apply based on the ISO, so it's not in practice such a big deal.
Once you have decided which tools you want to apply to most images you can create a preset and in preferences , tell DXO to apply it to all images when they are first opened.
As you explore DXO be sure to look at the optical corrections. Unlike LR DXO profile the lens/camera in their optical labs to produce their own optical modules which you download. This is very relevant for MFT as these lenses are designed for computer correction and therefore benefit from DXO. LR uses the jpg lens correction embedded in the raw file. This jpg correction is limited by camera computer power and process time (up to 20 fps :-)) The jpg correction therefore often uses a crop to remove barrel distortion left by the lens designers. Often, with wide angle zooms the lens designers actually use a lens with a shorter focal length than is written on the lens barrel so that the crop produces the quoted focal length. An example of such a lens is the 12-100mm Pro F4. If you set the lens correction to 85% and untick maintain aspect ratio you can obtain an image with a greater fov compared to the jpg. A welcome "free extra" from using DXO. 🙂
The lens module is also used to provide the Lens Sharpness tool, that provides capture sharpening. The lens sharpness pallet provides sharpening customised to the lenses characteristics, typically lenses are less sharp towards the edges of the frame and therefore DXO applies more sharpness to match. You should not use USM sharpening, which DXO also supplies, as that is for sharpening RGB images. The lens sharpness palette also contains a rather strangely names "Bokeh" slider which is used to restrict sharpening of out of focus areas.
The Smart Lighting slider is an unusual tool as it alters both shadows (fill Light) and can recover highlights but its behaviour is difficult to predict. It attempts to provide a 1 slider tool for balancing the overall exposure and was very useful before the introduction of local edits. The Exposure compensation slider ia a straightforward exposure slider but there are drop down choices for pulling back on highlights.
Photolab greatly benefits from the addition of FilmPack Elite as this adds a fine contrast slider and tonal contrast sliders to the DXO interface for highlights, mid-tones and shadows.
Under the Colour Rendering palette you get the choice of using different colour profiles (with a slider to control intensity) and your own, or third party dcp profiles.
Finally, and this is important for a LR user, the UI is virtually completely customisable, something a LR user never looks for because LR customisation is minimal. Thus you can get the UI to look how you like and also display which tools and in whatever order you like. You can save workspaces and switch between them with a couple of mouse clicks.
There is a bug currently with a particular Mac OS version that gives a colour cast with DeepPrime. I can't remember which Mac OS as I'm on Windows but the fix is scheduled for December release version 6.1, I believe.
I hope this helps :-)
Thanks for your extensive comment.
@@mattisulanto I used LR from V1-6 before switching to C1 as my main raw processor, but DXO Photolab has superior lens corrections and noise control.
Just relaying what I have learnt from others. From personal experience learning new software is difficult :-) Sliders, even with the same name, don't necessarily do the same thing eg DXO highlight, shadows etc sliders cover a much broader range than in LR and are not really comparable. DXO works in its own way probably reflecting its gallic origins :-)
These differences often mean people give up on Photolab as they are tripped up by, for example, the DeepPrime viewer window, they use USM sharpening because that's what they are used to, they don't like the UI but don't realise it's customisable etc.
I will be interested to see how you get on :-)
Oh my gosh I noticed this with the Panasonic Leica 15mm 1.7, when I turn on lens correction in DxO Photolab I suddenly have a wider frame, by like ten percent, it’s really significant!! I was wondering how that could happen!
downloaded a trial version a week ago and immediately purchased after seeing what it did for my Lumix S5 RAW files and the lens correction on a 16-35 was just great. The white point workaround you pointed out is a great idea - thank you!
Thanks.
You should have waited for BF to purchase a license as they are half price now.
I've used DxOPhotolab4 and 5 for several years. DxO has been great providing free updates to add features and correct bugs. DxOPhotolab5 has been my first stop in photo processing. The standard/default adjustments are applied automatically (this can be shut off if preferred). You can "go crazy" with adjustments, but I prefer keeping it simple: apply denoise; set Clearview to 25; set microcontrast to to auto; set color to use the camera's color format. This does 90-95% of the work. Further tweaks can be done in Photolab or in another program by file export.
DxOPhotolab5 and 6 does an outstanding job with batch processing. From DxO library, select all the raw files to be edited. Then I do my basic edits described above. Then export to tiff. Each image looks strikingly improved compared to the original. The results are "good enough" for most people and for social media. Perfectionists can use their favorite tools to put the final polish for printing. Batch processing with DxOPhotolab6 (I upgraded) let my computer do the work for me processing the 4000+ photos from an extended tour in South America!
Looking forward to seeing your future videos on DxOPhotolab6. As usual, your work shines!
Thanks for your tips and compliments.
As a correction, DXO Photolab 6 can utilize two monitors. Just not the same as Lightroom. I "undocked" my image viewer, and I now have the grid layout on monitor 2. Upon closing and opening, the grid layout comes right back up on monitor 2!
You see the results for the noise reduction only on the small window on the right. Only when you develop the raws files into jpgs or tiffs. In the big window in the middle you see only the high quality noise reduction and not the prime, deep prime ore deep prime xd noise reduction. When you use it it takes some time, but the results are really breathtaking. Prime XD takes probably some minutes depending on your processor.
Thanks. I can definitely see the results in the main window and the preview updates quickly.
@@mattisulanto What you see in the main windows is actually not the Deep Prime denoising result, but the result of the simpler (non-AI) denoising algorithm. Deep Prime and Deep Prime XD are too computation-intensive to allow full screen preview. You only see the actual Deep Prime/Deep Prime XD denoising result in the thumbnail view that is part of the Deep Prime settings menu.
I use DxO, CaptureOne and Lightroom. DxO has become my favorite. It renders M4/3 images quite well. It has a shirt learning curve coming from the other programs. Yep, no slider for the white, just the curve. Have fun.
Thanks.
PL is my main processor since a couple of years ago I wanted to upgrade from SilkyPix (which isn't as bad as it's reputation, but not the best either). I tested all the main app and PL immediately popped out by the quality that I got with the default settings. Most important for this is the "SmartLighting" feature that really does a very good job for most pictures with it's 25% default setting.
Some remarks for beginners: There is in fact no white point for exposure, only for white balance. I too use the curve for that, but with clipping indicators (on the upper left below the histogram). On really difficult lighting situations it can help to play with the "microcontrast" (which is a local contrast filter, not really "micro"), or with "ClearView", which I seldom set to more than 10%. Preview for denoise and sharpening is only in the smal view on the right, the image preview just comes near, but isn't the actual outcome of the denoise engine. DeepPrime has become very fast with a recent PL 5 version on Apple M1 processors. The widely praised camera/lens modules are really an asset of this software, but they are not flawless. For some lenses I need to correct the distortion setting when my subject is very rectilinear.
For anyone considering to buy PhotoLab: you need to purchase the "elite" version and you'll need the ViewPoint extension. Purchasing all updates, PL isn't much cheaper than Lightroom, but for me, it is better.
Thanks for you tips. I'm pretty sure the main window shows sharpening and preview.
@@mattisulanto Yes and no... The main preview does reflect your settings, but it is always rendered with standard denoise, not *PRIME. So you don't see the actual result here. If you preview a really noisy image and compare the main window to the small preview below the denoise settings, you'll see what I mean. For noisy images, the denoising also affects the sharpening, of course. I sometimes reduce denoising to 33 to retain better sharpness with still very good denoising.
@@hauke3644 Thanks. I have to dig a bit deeper into that preview thing.
Yes very easy to use .. have been using Dxo for awhile . . . but I tried Capture One and its alots better
Thanks for sharing. I never found CO appealing, but we all have our preferences😀
This was a very good video to watch, I own everything from DXO and worth every shiny penny. ✨️
Glad you enjoyed!
I've only been using PhotoLab since PL4, choosing DxO over LR/PS based on reviews and the lack of Adobe's subscription-based model (although the updates can add up). I also got FilmPack and the Nik Collection and now have the latest iterations of all of these plus ViewPoint 4 and Topaz Photo AI, so there's very little I can't do with great precision (other than PS-related things like pano stitching, which I rarely do--for that I got PSP 2022 Ultimate for the price of several months of an Adobe subscription). I find the DxO workspace/workflow reasonably intuitive and very powerful, enabling me to achieve great results (although I'm still working my way up the learning curve). The possibilities can be overwhelming, especially when you add the Nik plug-ins. Fortunately, there are a lot of tutorials. It's just amazing what you can do compared with film (sans noxious chemicals or the need to work with a safelight), yet replicate a similar look when desired. It'll be interesting to see what you think after spending more time with DxO...
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the review. I am sold :). With the BF discount, it's a good deal.
Hope you enjoy it! I really like it and I'm lazy to learn new apps😀
With finite and limited spending, I bought into Pure Raw (Mark 1), have a continuing Adobe LR/PS subs and had old Topaz product that I just last week updated for 1 year.
Pure Raw is really, really good for raw, I think it does a camera body + lens combo profile - not just the lens by itself. Meaning if you use the same lens on two different bodies, it asks to download two different optical profiles. Although Pure Raw 2 has an enhanced NR (called XD), I could not distinguish enough difference, so remain with Pure Raw. If I didn't have Pure Raw, I would buy Pure Raw 2. This is my automatic pre-processing before hitting ACR / LR.
PhotoLab will have the NR plus the famous Dxo perspective controls and connect to the famous film sims (not sure if they are included or you need to buy separately). However, with LR / ACR, I have become very comfortable with the results from tonal & colour adjustments. For me, I am reluctant to abandon that comfort to re-learn a new system of sliders.
The Topaz NR works with non raw files (TIFF and JPEG). has one click NR, sharpening, enlargement - that's why I updated.
Thanks for sharing. I agree PureRAW is super good.
Unfortunately, almost all photography TH-camrs feel compelled to comment on DxO PhotoLab without a full understanding of how its unique features work. Sure, it has most of the usual raw adjustments, which seems to be the point of comparison, but reviewers miss the subtleties of their Smart Lighting, ClearView Plus, and especially Control Points. PhotoLab's Smart Lighting is not the same as their Exposure Compensation, which works the same as the more traditional Exposure slider in LR. ClearView Plus may seem similar to LR's Dehaze in some ways, but I find it much more subtle, and overall more useful. White Point can be adjusted using their Tone Curve (just like with LR, but DxO's implementation is not as powerful), but I rarely find the need, given the other adjustments. Fortunately, most reviewers recognize DxO's superior raw conversion and noise reduction. Fortunately, it doesn't have to be either/or: DxO's plug-in extra makes it possible to pass the raw file to PhotoLab, then back (similar to PureRaw). PhotoLab is not as complete an environment as LR, but the two are complementary. If all you want are the optical corrections and noise reduction, get PureRaw. If I could have only one, I would stick with LR, but add PureRaw, but I often do all of my edits in PhotoLab and pass it back to LR as a TIFF. I could make PhotoLab do the job by itself, but I would have to give up LR's mature catalog, its new masking enhancements, and (of course) access to Photoshop for advanced processing.
Thanks for your tips.
I'm using Photolab 5 and won't be upgrading to 6 till Fuji file support is fully implemented. I'm hoping that DXO will do some good form of AI masking finally. Shame they charging so much for something as basic as perspective correction(looking at you Viewpoint). Overall I'm happy enough with their software but I agree it isn't complete environment. The other addition piece of software I don't regret spending money on is their Filmpack6. gives great results combined with Photolab and Fuji files.
Thank you and another enjoyable and informative video. Like you I am a long-time Lightroom user and have started to complement that by using Photolabs in the last couple of years. I used it especially heavily on my COVID project digitizing many years of old slides - then still using LRC for the catalogue and exporting to SmugMug. I am a very long-time user of NIK filters and, understandably, enjoy control points. One disappointment is that Photolabs 6 does not support Fuji in Deeprime XD after supporting Fuji, at long last, in V5! Maybe it'll come.
Thanks.
I think we have a similar background in that I remember when Lightroom and Apple's Aperture first came out. I tested both, liked both, as each had advantages. In the end, I liked Aperture a bit better, and being a Mac user I went with Aperture. I loved Aperture right up to the point that Apple abandoned it. I considered going to LR when Apple killed off Aperture, but I went to Capture One for awhile and then I discovered DXO - back then it was DXO Optics Pro. DXO does things VERY differently than LR. Certainly there will be a learning curve, but I think you will find it worthwhile. Oh, and as others have mentioned - you cannot see the effects of Deep Prime or Deep Prime XD in the main window. Even the preview window does not do it justice. To see what that noise reduction can do you have to export the file with the reduction on.
Scott
Thanks for sharing your backstory.
It is high time for Adobe to offer an AI denoising in LR.
Previously used Lightroom and P.S. for several years and decided to go with Capture One and if needed, Affinity. I also, have On-One Photo Raw and it's great, too with everything under one roof and really excellent de noising, layers and really everything you could want. Recently, Capture One sent out an update and even with Black Friday and an upgrade "deal" it was close to $200 just for an upgrade from 2022 to 2023. I didn't find anything in the upgrade worth that price. So, already owning DXO 4, I upgraded to DXO 6 primarily because they now support the Leica SL2 where they hadn't before so my version of DXO was unusable on my SL2. DXO 6 upgrade was a good price on BF. I think it will do everything I need and I can still use Capture One 2022 if needed but I just may gravitate away from Capture One in the long run.
Thanks.
24y5m Never used, but looking into for first time.
White point, no there isn't one but use the tone curve (gain curve) to do the same thing to pull the highlights down.
When we switch editors, there's always something that seems back to front (notably - like have you ever used Silkypix?)
Thanks.
I use DxO PureRaw 2 together with LrC, and thats because DxO is incredible great with denoising DNGs.
Thanks.
@@mattisulanto The only "disadvantage" is, the size of my DNG file gets 3x greater. But otherwise, storage isn't anymore really expensive. And it didn't work with compressed DNGs, you created with LrC.
As far as I understand, the DxO Opticmodules are optimised in relation of camera and lenses by empiric datas.
Dxo is the best for me, i think Lightroom is for people who need to organize more, I save a preset and just apply it
Thanks.
Very cool! I’ve been using PL that had the original DeepPrime as a plug in for Lr. Now if PL 6 had an upscaling feature where I could de-noise, do optical corrections and upscaling, I would buy it right away. For now I’m just going to wait.
Thanks.
I have Photolab 4 Matti and love it. Beware, when you use the Deep Prime you cannot see the effect in the main window, only the preview window on the right (Unless this has changed with later versions). One very annoying apparent omission though is that there doesn't seem to be a way in version 4 to change the canvas size (For example if I have a 16x9 image and want to display it on a square canvas with a white border), which is bizarre given free photo editing software allows you to do this.
Thanks. I can definitely see the results in the main window and the preview updates quickly.
@@mattisulanto is there an "Image - Canvas size" option with V6 Matti?
@@mattisulanto Ha. Try exporting it and watch what happens to the colors. The "live preview" doesn't seem to show the actual result. No mater how I export the files, they get EXTREMELY blue compared to the preview. As you move DOWN in the Deep Noise levels, the colors remain more accurate. Weird and stupid.
@@mattisulanto " I can definitely see the results in the main window" - no you cannot.. EXPORT the image and compare.. mind blown!
@@mattisulanto You are wrong. You CANNOT see the results in the main window. It is also in the DXO documentation. Please stop spreading fake information. Makes me question your videos now.
I will still say Adobe is the most professional creativity company out there, because they work on all kinds of gadgets. Not just computer and iPad pro.
True, for a professional PS and LR are almost mandatory. What other gadgets are there, a phone?
@@mattisulanto phone, tablet, Tesla can even get it installed on their big screen 😊 galaxy tab s8 ultra is a big power tool, but can't use most of the other apps than Adobe, because it is not Apple 🤦♂️
@@bamsemh1 As a Mac/Apple user I wouldn't know😀
I purchased DxO last week but have not tried it yet. Of course, you can mitigate noise in Lightroom too, usually it's a question of finding the right balance between noise reduction and sharpening, what you gain on one end you lose on the other. I guess the only way to further improve noise in PP is to have algorithms that guess what information was lost when taking the picture and substitute it with new, made-up information. Up to a point this is acceptable, and in fact this is how all digital imaging (or sound reproduction) works, but if one goes too far it's not "photography" anymore, but something else. It is also true that our visual perception works in a similar way, the eyes provide some data but the brain fills-in a lot of gaps, only a tiny proportion of our visual field is actually in focus at any given point in time, the DxO in our brain compensate for it
Thanks for your insights.
Why not wait until BF to purchase as the price is now half of what you must have paid?
I have been struggling since Lightroom exists on how Lightroom re-interprets the colors. LR's colors looks like artificial, as well, the density of the image (not so noticeable), specially when the picture is slightly modified this gets more visible. Long time ago, a very simple free RAW Editor made by an small group of photographers that came to existence, gave much better results regarding color interpretation, but it also didn't looked 100% realistic and it lacked of certain features. Then I saw how Capture One interprets colors and man... I think that one is unbeteable. Yet I have not made any comparisson between DXO PhotoLab and Capture One, and the one from DXO is doing a superb job, specially with that "potect saturated colors" slider plus vibrance and saturation modifications. Even if the saturation slider is crancked, colors rermain stable with a good gamut. The downside is the DeepPrime XD Noise Reduction produce ugly results against DeNoise from LR, which is incredible. EDIT: the DeepPrime XD needs to be rasterized in order to be visible. It does a similar or greater result than the DeNoise from LR.
Hi Matti! With Apple M1 many users get a magenta dominant when they use Deep Prime XD. With Intel is OK and with Deep Prime (simple) It's Ok
Thanks. I have not noticed anything funny yet.
The problem seems to be the neural engine. By default, photolab uses the neural engine of the M1 processor. You can change that in the advanced settings of Photolab. (Neural engine -> GPU). It will take longer to export the image with the GPU but DeepPRIME XD won't turn your image purple
@@MarkusGebhard thanks. I discovered the issue too. But is very slower. I hope they fix the problem soon
@@walterzannoni doubt it. The problem was reported on Oct 28. The last word from DxO support is that they are "in contact" with Apple to see if Apple will fix their neural engine or if DxO will have to fix the issue in their software -- most likely to mean that other than to acknowledge that the problem exists, no work or little work has been done to address this. Other photo editing software uses Apple's neural engine on Ventura and no problems.
Weird question, do you know what frames those glasses are?
Fleye Copenhagen, don’t know what model.
Thank you for reviewing editing software. I think you should also review Capture One, you can start with the free Capture One Express for Sony (also available for Fuji and Nikon).
Thanks. Maybe I'll do that in the future.
@@mattisulanto 👍
Find the simpler DxO PureRaw works well if you only need high iso denoising.
PureRAW is really good and simple app.
First step in any workflow is to use noise reduction first on your raw file
I use DXO raw and it is brilliant. However how does photo 6 service photo finding? Can it read Lightroom metadata? If not it is useless, in my opinion.
Please, download the free trial and see if it's for you.
I tested PhotoLab 6 on and off within the trial period. The most impressive is the noise reduction feature DeepPRIME XD and the lens sharpening. The result is really smooth and without the artifacts from Topaz Photo AI (still haunted per Dec 2022). Those two tools isolated are worth the money for the PhotoLab 6. But of course there are a number of other very good tools in the lab. What bothers me is the following: The sharpening is not relayed to the screen, the small loupe sucks. Next, why present us to a masking brush with one forced color - blue, it has to be changeable for differently colored backgrounds. Further the Edge brush doesn't show its edges which is awful considering the general technical level of the lab. Finally about the masking brush - apparently? - it can't draw a straight line, at least not with the usual combination left-click + shift - move to a new position and left-click again. I would also prefer that the local adjustment panels didn't show up in the area I am about to edit - preferably outside the image. This is a special problem I brought upon myself with an ARW file in ACR: If you for some reason have produced an Enhanced DNG in Lightroom/ACR, i.e. have upscaled 2 times, and you want to process this larger DNG in the lab, e.g. to deal with the noise up front, the lab strips the file from its enlarged attributes and the original size of the raw file is output as a DNG - useless in such cases for obvious reasons.
Thanks so much for sharing your insights, very interesting info.
Photolab 6 sure is nice. Feels a lot snappier then Photolab 5. I need to figure out some color space settings though, cause presently I cannot for the love me get my pictures (in terms of color) to look the same outside of photolab 6 as from within photolab.
A wide gamut in an editor will do that. Outside of the editor is usually sRGB.
As an acquaintance found sending his photos to the local news paper in Adobe-RGB, they will print that and it looks utterly horrible, they want sRGB.
Use your normal viewing gamut in the editor, or you will adjust it all kinds of wrong.
If you buy DXO Photolab 6 Elite, which plugin you need for lens correction? DXO offers also Viewpoint. What is the difference or is viewpoint already integrated in DXO Photolab 6?
As far as I can understand, Viewpoint is a dedicated perspective and distortion correction app. Photolab uses DxO Optics Modules, which are the same as lens correction profiles. They can correct lens distortions, vignetting etc. So, my opinion is that for lens correction you don't need Viewpoint. But, like I said in the video, I'm only learning DxO😀
the plugin is based upon WHICH camera you own/use. And it's lens set
Can anyone recommend a stand alone panorama stitcher that works with RAW files or at least DNG? I really like DxO PL as well but hate having to move to Lr just for panos
Hi, great video! I have been a DxO customer but haven't used their products in a year or two. I'm seeking software as stand-alone or as a PS/LR plugin. Someone suggested DXO 6 Elite. I would like to batch process a number of photos that include face recognition if possible. I currently use Skylum Luminar AI and I can batch process dozens or hundreds of photos applying effects like color, lighting and the software will also find all faces and brighten the faces to the level I prefer. Does DxO software do such a thing? Thanks so much! Richard
It should be possible, but to be honest, I'm not sure what is the best way to do it. You can copy paste the settings at least.
Problems, though. Photolab 6 creates SIGNIFICANT color shifts on export as you move up the Deep Prime noise removal levels. HQ does ok, but compare it to Deep Prime XD. Looks fine in the viewer, but export it to DNG, TIFF, or JPEG, etc., and the colors shift significantly toward the blue end. Take a screen shot of the preview and compare it to the export. Not even close. Also, PureRaw works better at removing noise as a standalone, but ONLY if it's out of LightRoom as a plugin, for some reason. Run an image with the standalone software and it blows the highlights!
When it works, it's better than Topaz DeNoise IMO, but you have to jump through a LOT of hoops to get it to work properly. At least on my M1 mac.
I believe what you say and see, but I can't see the same. Maybe it's camera file specific or something. I tried exporting several photos and could not see any significant color shift after export. I used DeePRIME XD with different settings.
@@mattisulanto do you use Mac or Windows?
@@OneDegreeLife 14 inch MBP M1.
@@mattisulanto Strange. I'm on a 16 in M1 MBP. Apparently several others are experiencing the same thing...? Ill keep looking into it, but it doesn't do it when I used the PureRaw plugin in Lightroom. I've been doing that and then importing that product for editing in PL6. Just so redundant. Even the little preview window under the Deep Prime section shows the color shift in the preview and when the exported product appears in the view panel it shows the blue cast. No idea what's causing it.
@@OneDegreeLife Strange indeed. I'll also dig a bit deeper into it and also compare the results to the LR plug in.
Long time user here. There is no white point slider as such in Photo Lab Elite. Never used lightroom so I don't know what it does. If it's just the same as the blacks slider in reverse there are plenty of ways to achiece this effect, but I'm betting they may add a "white point" to appeal to potental Lightroom crossovers, such as yourself, who feel lost without it.
Thanks.
If you open photos with PL6 which have ratings from lightroom (colours and/or star ratings), are these ratings imported into DXO PL6?
Some of my ratings are imported, but some are not and I don't know why.
@@mattisulanto which ones have been imported, star rating or colour ratings or was it mixed?
Do you save the LR ratings in an XMP file together with the inage in LR?
@@dirk.4711 Like I said I don't know why some ratings transfer and some not. There seems to be no logic to it. Maybe you you should look for a Photolab user group and ask there how that works. I'm a beginner with Photolab and unfortunately I can't answer your question. I also have to find answers to that and some other questions as well.
What memory card would you recommend for a Lumix g80/g85?
Sandisk.
You hopefully know that the Prime denoising result will only show up in the developed picture, but not on screen when still in editing mode… Only the little preview window in the right bar will be rendered in advance.
I will show the final result in the full size preview in editing mode. I just double checked that.
@@mattisulanto this is interesting. I have not used DxO Photo lab solely because I like to see the noise reduction in a preview, so I just dump stuff in PureRaw and throw it in Lightroom. Hmm
@@mattisulantoIn that case it might be depended on the system requirements. On my MacBook 2016 it definitely does
not show the final result in full size preview.
@@killepitsch9726 That maybe be true, but I can only say what happens on my screen. I have the M1 MBP 14. Thanks for sharing that.
Fullframecoputer upgrade needed😅
Is it good for timelapses? I usually use adobe camera raw, but there are lots of problems
What exactly do you mean by problems and what would you expect from Photolab?
@@mattisulanto some Basic Panel (Shadows, Highlights, Contrast, Clarity, Dehaze in Camera Raw and Lightroom) act in a non-linear, context sensitive way and can add contrast flicker, color shifts and other artifacts to timelapses which are impossible to remove. So I try not to touch this settings for timelapse photography editing
@@bizarro659 I have never experienced anything like that with LR, so I can't really say if Photolab is better.
I have PL5, your video persuaded me to upgrade but the link won't work for upgrades. Tell them they owe you a commission!
Thanks.
I have never liked the UI and workflow bizarre-ness of Lightroom, trying to be too many things at the same time. I only put up with LR because its decent RAW file support and editing.
i assume you use the elite version. i am not an experienced user, but it is worth to mention, that for full experience, you need photo lab elite, viewpoint and dxo filmpack elite -> just alltogether it is a full experience without hdr merge and panorama stich.
not sure with the nik collection ...
I assume there is no full screen preview of deepprime - export with deepprime takes a few seconds (with graphic card accelaration).
dp xd is quite a gimmick 😁, it is oversharpering objects in background 😠.
it is also worth to mention that there is no external lens profile support - laowa lens for m43 is litteraly just one lens.
if you know how to import external profile, please let me know.
Thanks for you tips.
With this" anti-noise" technology nowadays can small sensor cameras make a comeback?
You can of course apply the same anti noise to large sensor photo as well.
I stopped using Lightroom years ago & switched to DXO. I have upgraded with every improvement, including 6, & IMO I think it is the best program for digital.
Thanks.
can you show me "what to buy" from their shop? dont understand the differences
@@suchtforU What is it that you want?
@@mattisulanto Raw picture editing mostly and maybe some creative tools for light manipulation
@@suchtforU To me it looks like Photolab 6 is the way to go, if you choose DxO.
How does it do with Fuji raw files?
I don't shoot Fuji but I read that DXO is now supporting Xtrans sensors. This is from their website: "DxO’s latest software brings exciting news for Fujifilm photographers: both DxO PhotoLab 5 and DxO PureRAW 2 now process files from X-Trans sensors, producing remarkable levels of detail."
I have to check it out. I'm sure someone already has a video about that.
fuji support is still in beta (but should work, best to try the trial version).
I use Dxo Photolab 5 with Fuji. I'm happy with results and in addition I use Dxo Filmpack. I didn't upgrade yet to Photolab 6 because it doesn't fully support xtrans sensors yet. Big grip I got with DXO is their lack of basic perspective corrections. For this you have to buy their DXO Viewpoint which isn't cheap. Also their pricing for NIK collection is a rip-off.
@@kamilpotato3764 fuji is working with pl6, but not all is supported - auto smartlightning, dead pixel coverage, just some denoise techniques available - beta 😁, but it applies to version 5 and 6. not just 6.
the price is high, you need to pay (when discount available) ca. 280-290 euros, but at least on pics from cameras with smaller sensor (16mpx m43) you see the difference. ff or newer fuji does not need denoising so much.
Can Photolab run on its own
It is a standalone app.
I see lots of DXO fanboys commenting, but hey, they are biased. To my eyes (and I'm RAW software agnostic), the images don't look anything special after being processed by Photolab 6. Adobe is weak in 2 areas - it's colour science and AI NR. C1 pro is better with colour science imho, and of course, Topaz and DXO lead the way with regard to AI NR (with my nod going to DXO).
Lightroom classic has some awesome masking abilities now (I'm not really super familiar with them though) and I'm not sure if PL6 has anything like that or not.
Thanks for sharing. Isn't everyone biased one way or the other?😀
@@mattisulanto oh yes, absolutely. I'm no fan of Adobe, or Phase 1 for that matter. I rely on my eyes to judge something, rather than a fandom. Fandoms are very dangerous things imho.
@@davepastern Sure, fandom can narrow your view significantly.
Big problem with DXO is their segmentation. Do you want correct perspective? Buy viewpoint. Do you want some creative effects? Buy NIK collection or DXO Filmpack6. Noise reduction and their lens/body profiles are probably best on market but their segmentation and lack of better AI masking is big omission. And I'm saying it as someone who uses DXO Photolab 5 and DXO Filmpack 6. I won't be upgrading to vesrion 6 anytime soon because Fuji file support isn't fully implemented yet.
Still no ability to select subject like in Lightroom?
Lightroom has that feature. Please check Adobe home page for more details.
@@mattisulanto I was referring to Photolab. It still doesn't have that feature.
@@Wrecked01 So far no.
So forget Topaz AI and use DxO Photolab instead? 🤔
Well, I guess it depends what you like. To me DxO looks better.
I have both, but only just upgraded to PL6, so I haven't had a chance to compare DeepPRIME XD with DeNoise AI (which I've been accessing via Photo AI which also includes Sharpen and Gigapixel). DxO offers a far more comprehensive set of tools (not perfect, but to me as good or better than anything else available), but Topaz works with any files, not just RAW (I'm referring to DeNoise, which along with Gigapixel can transform old, low-res JPGs--DeepPRIME only works with RAW). Even "regular" DeepPRIME (PL5 Elite) produces amazing results--very clean and natural--even from high-ISO, low-light shots with smaller-sensor cameras. Software like this make gear even less relevant than it already was!
doesn't accept Sony a7iv raw files.
Yes, it does. Sony A7IV files are fine.
that first image looks horrible at 6400 ISO, I don't know what you are seeing that I am not.
We all see different things😀
If you are professional, I mean paid photographer, DxO is unusable. It is huge pain in the ass switching tabs, without hotkeys. As well no copying photos from sd card feature exists. Sliders work different and not good. There are a lot of good features and if you are editing single “professional” landscape photo for flicker then yes. It is usable. But if you have 5000 photos from event which you should select, match exposure and colors… no way. I’ve tried.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Until these other guys put in on a app so I can use it on my tablet I’m not interested
Thanks.
Are you blind or why can't you see the noise in the pics that you describe as almost noise-free?
Almost noise free means there is still some noise. For some even minimal noise is too much and others don't mind some noise. I'm not blind, obviously, and I don't believe you are stupid, so please, be polite in your comments.
You should try On1raw. I find it so much better than DxO.
Thanks. Maybe I have to try that too😀
How's their noise correction? Fuji support?