The convicted decided their fate once they carried out the crime. As harsh as it sounds, you have to treat jury duty like a business with no emotion or hesitation involved.
Saeedat A I didn’t like how they were saying pushing the “everyone needs a second ChAnCEeeE” he legit murdered 2 people. I wouldn’t have given the death penalty but I wouldn’t have given the life sentence for that reason either
Jack R Jury’s are pre vetted to make sure no one who has a personal connection to the sort of crime being considered is a part of the jury as their past experiences can sway their vote, not saying I disagree with her
It is said that the perpetrator was schizophrenic, however, it did not say whether he was going through an episode during the time of the crime or if he did have schizophrenia but was actually lucid during the crime?
@DC 10o01 Well said mate bloody mitigating cercumstances l Don know how it is in America but to you also get less of a sentence if your hi or drink??? OUTRAGEOUS
DC 10o01 I get what you’re saying. They should’ve then clarified that he is schizophrenic but it is unknown at the time of the crime whether or not he was experiencing an episode or was lucid. For example, someone harming or killing another person because they are hallucinating and in a delusional state that the other person is trying to harm them needs to be treated differently than someone harming or killing another person because the perpetrator just wanted to cause harm to an innocent person. Unfortunately, they did not know and there were no witnesses that I remember. Just saying he was schizophrenic likely lead some of the jury members to think he was having an episode during the crime even though there was a chance he could’ve been lucid. Then you have other jurors likely forgetting that the hallucinations and delusions schizophrenia can cause can be so severe that the person has no clue what is real and not real. We’ll never know though because based on what you said, we can’t really ask dead people. Even if we could, there is no guarantee the victim will know whether or not the person who killed them did it because they were going through an episode.
This is an interesting concept, but I would love to see an episode where you conduct a mock trial, so the "jury" can decide on guilt or innocence based on available evidence rather than whether or not to give someone the death penalty. Many people already have their minds made up regarding the death penalty, so it's not as interesting (i.e., the dialogue isn't as rich).
I get what you're saying but I disagree because I think going into people think they know but coming out of it they may not have made the same answer. But I still would love an innocent or guilty verdict video too!
Interesting concept, but perhaps to truly make a verdict in a trial situation would require A LOT of evidence and time spent explaining. It would become a bigger time commitment.
"I want this person to get the help they need" That's why mental health services should be offered to people BEFORE it gets so out of hand that someone who is schizophrenic murders 2 strangers. I'm sure most people can agree on that.... :(
I can give you an example. Let's say a certain Thomas is a soldier and on his first assignment in a war zone he is obliged to transport medical care to another allied base safely. Unfortunately, their car is being ambushed by enemies. The enemies start shooting to prevent Thomas and his unit from getting to the other base. Now it's sink or swim. So what has Thomas to so?...He takes his rifle and has to shoot the enemy troops in order to get the medical supplies to the other base but more importantly to protect his comrades and his own life in this case. Now, please tell me why Thomas acted with a wrong or bad state of mind at this moment?
Exotic Cats when you are in the jury selection process, you would actually be asked questions. They might ask if anyone has a friend or family member that was a victim of gun violence. It would almost automatically disqualify you.
I believe if this series is to continue the jury should be a mixture of people of all ages. The jury here seemed to be all younger folks and I would love to see some older people’s opinions as well! Just a thought! 😊
yeah seemed like all young, liberal minorities that oppose the death penalty in general. Wanna make an omelette you've gotta crack some eggs. LIke the dude who killed and ate somebody on the bus in Canada. He's now FREE. 9 years later and with 0 living restrictions. I'm sorry but a guy that kills and eats someone should be put to death. I dont care how crazy he says he was. You should face the consequences. Eye for an eye. You take a life yours gets taken. We should be making a death penalty verdict MUCH more restrictive in terms of appeals. You get 1 appeal, if you lose that's it. A bullet costs 10 cents. Death penalty only costs so much because of the time the verdict is tied up in appeals court for decades. Make sitting in prison no longer an option. You get 1 year to appeal. All appeals go direct to a newly created court dealing specifically with death penalties, with the equivalent legal power of the supreme court in those trials. The court has 4 republicans, 4 democrats and 3 independents. If they rule you die you get a bus back to the jail and 24 hours later you're done. Lower judges in the initial court can only rule for a death penalty in cases where the act is filmed or multiple people of sound mind testify the person did something worthy of a death penalty ex murder/rape or exploitation of a child
@@kimaya.3563 Nah it's not lol, it's nicer to hear older people's opinion seeing as they grew up in a different time with different laws and all that stuff. It's nice to see how they'd pick. Both episodes, the younger people we're all about "but they can change in prison!" but they killed four two people? KILLED. So these young people are not right for this
A lot of murderers have mental health issues to some extent or another. Whether it’s suicidal depression, ASPD, schizophrenia or just anger issues. What matters is if they understand the result of their actions and that it was a crime
Carlos Gillon that too as even putting aside all morality when it comes to the death penalty it doesn’t deter crime and costs 9x what it would cost to imprison a person for life.
NinjaSheep but all of those affect the mind different anger issues and suicidal depression is nothing like schizophrenia, schizophrenia can make u think it was literally self defense.
CeceLew Lou yup some people with schizophrenia genuinely don’t know what their actions will result in and so should (as most systems do) be sent to a mental facility as opposed to prison. However others are in control and killed with knowledge of their actions. Realistically it shouldn’t just be “schizophrenics are never guilty” and instead “this schizophrenic wasn’t aware of their actions”
Critique: Too simplistic, there’s too little context to actually make a veredict or even a proper debate. If you continue down this path, all episodes will be the same, because all debates will end up presenting the same cons and pros. I’m enthused to see a 20 min episode where much more context is added into the mix.
I agree. With more time, people would unravel where they truly to stand and not be swayed; otherwise, we're just watching a bunch of relativists needing to support the majority, not their own thoughts.
It doesn’t really make sense anyway. They’re being introduced to the situation with complete acceptation that he did commit the crime, and are only choosing a sentence. A jury is there for hearings, and has MUCH more information than two slides. So yeah, completely agree.
Agree! 20 min episode with more "twists", something a bit more in-depth. Even maybe include ex-prisoners so it gives it an even more diverse perspective. Also include people from different ages too. Also maybe something less clear-cut. Cases where people aren't sure the person really killed someone, and evidence is brought up little by little
You could obviously tell that they only reached a unanimous decision because the few people voting for death sentence just got peer pressured. Everyone wanted to go home and they didn’t want to anger anybody, so a few of them just voted life in the end. I hope that his is not how actual decisions are made in real jury duty.
I was watching an episode of a crime show called Monk, which obviously isn't real life but still. At first, 19 of the 20 people voted him not guilty, but Monk voted him guilty. Some stuff happened and almost an entire day went by. Everybody kept getting mad at Monk because they all just wanted to get home. Well, while they were deciding his punishment, a second body was found inside a dumpster just outside of the courthouse and it was disposed of by the guy who everyone was trying to vote not guilty just so that they could go home. So...
Watch the movie 12 Angry men. This exact situation but a man stands alone and uses Socratic philosophical processes to examine the situation. It's tremendous and I highly recommend it.
Unfortunately, there are not enough facts given to them to make a logical conclusion independent of emotions. A lot of their arguments hinge on "what ifs". This is more like a moral debate than a jury.
@@talunae.8924 And a lot of those countries don't have due process rights so if you are accused you are automatically 'guilty'. We need a variety of perspectives in order for there to be a fair trial.
Exactly and even if you are thinking about family, they would be upset either way, with the person being executed or put on the life sentence so it's not like it even matters
@@josephoso It's not an uncommon thing and why would somebody lie about something like that on a public video. You go to some place like El Salvador you'll find a lot of people who's had family murdered
Timothy King there’s a difference between being a threat to society when you are off your meds/not receiving care and being a threat to society when you’re completely cognizant of everything you’re doing
do people not realize that being sentenced to death doesn't mean immediately? they argue that they want them to sit and think about what they've done but they can do that on death row like find another argument if that's the only thing stopping you from switching sides
Kamisama Senpai once somebody gets sentenced, there’s already people on something named “death row” Commiting an execution takes a while, so if your sentenced it will take a while for you to actually be put on the chair, and sometimes while in jail you just never end up being put to death. That’s why the argument “he needs time to evaluate” works under the death penalty and isn’t a valid argument
SkullCrusher117 That’s absolutely correct, but it is still possible. In fact, for some reason it seems that a lot of people who hurt others have no mental illnesses/disabilities. Which is quite strange to me, like why are people with mental illnesses and disorders like myself (Autism) stigmatized when the majority could technically be considered mentally stable?
I would think that if it were unrecognized and untreated for so long that the chance would increase. But i think it’s dependent on every situation and the degree of the disorder, and what has been done to help treat it.
@@elijahb.3036 actually the longer it goes untreated there is a higher risk of self harm and suicide rather than hurting others. Not saying that it's impossible, but out of all the mental disorders, schizophrenics have the largest rates of suicide. It may be possible that if an individual had severe paranoid schizophrenia or bipolar type schizoaffective disorder the risk of 'danger to others' may increase. But generally people with schizophrenia are decent folk and should be treated as such. There might be videos on TH-cam of interviews with patients with schizophrenia. We saw some in my lectures. You really feel for those people
imagine a world outside of America where this is a real thing and people are given a second chance after receiving treatment, guidance and education in prison.
@@heybye1119 Most people die of natural causes before their turn. Some guy got sentenced to the death penalty at 18 and he's 43 odd years old and is still waiting.
@@heybye1119 they have to wait for like 20 years before they finally get death, it would honestly be meaner to them for them to know they only have so much longer to live
Joshua Groß why can’t we just freeze the dude in like a giant block of ice, that way they’re not actually dead or actually living, problem solved (lol just a joke please don’t take me too seriously)
Confused as to why melody said she “would have wanted retribution in the form of blood a month ago” then says she doesnt think the death penalty is a good option and the proceeds to vote for the death penalty????
Means she changed her mind. Maybe something happened in that time that made her think differently. It happens, people can change their mind due to their experiences, knowledge and context.
This is how people get sentenced wrong, people in a jury will just say “oh well most people say this, and I don’t wanna oppose so I’ll say what they say even though I don’t agree with it” If you believe that there’s a possibility there’s a better option, stand by it, don’t give into peer pressure, someone’s LIFE is at stake (10:10)
Thunderking A What would his death bring? Literally nothing but waste the state money and continue the system that has put innocent people to death, disproportionately minorities.
@@crystalwang1532 and also the unfortunate truth is SOME minorities are disproportionately killing at higher rates too, so the fact that they get disproportionate possibility of the death sentence reflects that.
Fun fact, sometimes it takes years for a death penalty, the point of it is legit to make the suspect scared of dying for years and years, thus making it worse than the life sentence.
It's strange coming from a European perspective how people talk about the death sentence like it's a normal thing. In all of Europe and pretty much all western countries the death sentence has been abolished.
Aye Yo They literally just made a comment about how weird it is. It’s really weird and scary that so many people, not that far away from where we live, actually considers punishing murderers with murder.
@@ayeyo5097 It's super important to take into account how other cultures deal with ethical problems because we can learn so much from it. Your type of mindset of segregation is what prohibits the progression of society
True true, but you can think of it iin the life isn't fair terms. It's not fair for someone to get their life stolen from them, same way isn't fair for someone to be born into severe poverty or war, same way for someone to be born with a broken brain(various degrees of iillness) to the point where their options are to be locked up, killed, or hurt someone. This person lost from day one.
spicy rice Of course he wasn’t mentally healthy. Anyone who murders isn’t! Mental health is used as an excuse in everything by us Gen Z and Millenials. Now to the point of compromising justice. If you’re playing a game and you break the rules their consequences. If you continue breaking the rules you shouldn’t be playing the game. Life is similar.
@@AC-ri2ph Also half the worlds population suffer from some form of mental illness...they need treatment before a crime can happen...if it happens then thats it for them...death penalty...they are a threat...if someone cab take someones life away..like a human life is soo precious as they themselves have one...then what in a 1000,000 universes do u think that they won't do it again or will feel sorry by sitting in a cell...
yes but killing him isn’t going to bring them back whereas trying to help him and rehabilitate him can in turn help him redeem his previous actions by helping others etc.
@@AC-ri2ph the thing is, when fairness can be granted you grant it. In this incident these victims could have been avenged. Crazy or not, if you took two innocent souls from the world then your soul doesn't deserve to graze our Earth.
sometimes. especially in cases where someone kills an ex spouse/spouse theyre having issues with. i know of A LOT of cases like that. those (most of the time) men know what theyre doing and cant be diagnosed with anything
evie but “lacking mental illness” and “being in the right mind” are two different things and saying people are in a right mind while committing crimes especially murder is where the issue is because rarely are people in a right mind while murdering another person.
evie i’m meaning it in the way that you don’t have to be mentally ill to be in “a wrong mindset” like when you’re drunk or angry and people say you “aren’t in the right mind” to make decisions. I was making fun of the fact that they said he wasn’t in his right mind becuase is anyone in a right mind while murdering another human? a sane mind probably but the contrast is sane and sick mind or right and wrong mind, right mind doesn’t automatically equal mentally heathy just liek being in the wrong mind doesn’t automatically equal being mentally ill. So just the way they used that phrase seemed incorrect to me.
That's not the full picture, it's actually a lot more nuanced than that. A verdict of "life sentence without parole" is a lifetime. And if the verdict does include the possibility of parole, the amount of years in prison before parole depends on the state where you live and can vary between 15 and 40 years for a single "life term".
@@marymik7372 your wrong either way that person should be killed slowly to know what those people went through oh wait he shot them in the head no feeling the only people who felt it was everyone who new the people he killed eye for an eye
In the United States, a life sentence is a life sentence. That’s not the way it is in many countries around the world which ofc you can debate, but in the context of this scenario they would go to jail for life.
@@sportstalk9587 You're saying I'm wrong but I never stated an opinion. Just how the current law works. Whether or not the death penalty should be allowed is a different debate
@@Michelrs which he would more than likely do, when people get life in prison it changes them to be reliant on that system.. if he was to get out he would do anything to go back and hes already done the worst..
Almaha - life sentence is way worse than death. death is the easy way out, life sentence leaves you to your own thoughts and you’ll never see the light of day again and you’ll suffer living the same day every day for the rest of your life
Banana Smoothie Yes, but it costs a lot + those “judges” were into the life sentence because they believe that he deserves a second chance, not to make him suffer from his own mistake! (Sorry for my bad English lol)
Banana Smoothie Death isn’t the easy way out, a study showed that initially someone who has went through a tragic event rated their happiness very low whereas someone who won in excess of a million rated it high, however after a year had passed they both rated their happiness roughly the same. That’s because humans adapt, if you go to prison you’ll get used to it and sure, you might want out but you’ll still enjoy your life whereas if they are sentenced to death they are wiped from the earth and can never commit another atrocity again.
@@ChynnaR You say 'death is the easy way out' as thought death penalty is carried out instantly. It's not. People sit on death row for sometimes over 20 years. They are faced with their consequences and previous actions and the thought of eventual death.
Manda Panda The man got the death penalty ...in texas... in the ’90s...as a black man. Lmafaoo he could be innocent and will probably face it regardless. Remember the Central Park Five? The POC would probably be less biased if ethnicity/race was mentioned, but nevertheless this is just for entertainment. 🙃
ᒪIᗰOᘔᗩ It goes both ways though. Its the race of the jury thats the problem. However thats less of an issue today because the jury has to be diverse in ethnicities. How do you think OJ got free? Black jury with a black defendant.
Giovanni Calabrese I’m guessing no old people volunteered to do it? I’m not sure how they find the people but I think less older people would want to do something like this🤷♀️
If this series continued, I would love to see a person represent the people who have been in jail or prison because their story could become very beneficial by changing their perspective of what is life like in prison or jail. I also want a range of other ages in this series. In the video, I don't think people realized the reality of jail or prison. When a person is sentenced to jail or prison, there is no fair treatment or doctor to help or represent any people that have a mental illness. There is no luxury in jail or prison. Also when a judge sentences a human that has a mental illness, they have to analyze and see if that human is fit for society.
As a person who has been to prison in more then one state I disagree. You have doctors. You have people that will fight for you. And prison is not great but not as hard as tv make it.
"Get the help they need" so they can what live in prison for the rest of their life? You definitely don't deserve to get out of prison after killing two people in cold blood.
@@declanjones1751 I'm not pretending that's the case at all. I just don't see the point of trying to rehabilitate someone who's never gonna see the light of day
Being stuck in prison makes you even more insane, so the “punishment” really doesn’t end in jail. The rape & abuse so many experience, can’t that be seen as cruel & unusual?
Dylan Knight people who commit crimes due to their mental illness are still people. They need help. “Get the help they need” doesn’t necessarily mean no prison, it means professional help.
@@anthonysclafani3963 What I'm saying is it's a waste of time to give someone help who has already murdered at least two people in cold blood and will be spending the rest of his life in prison there is no debate as to whether they are considered people or not
@Hayley W noooooo, that dude is a snowflake and that’s what I’m saying. This series is an amazing idea, but if they want to make it better they need to cast people who don’t play with their own emotions. That’s all.
@@JMoney615 yeah I agree but I don't think he's a snowflake for making an informed decision. Like he was making decisions based on the information given
There is a murder attempt near my town, a women stabbed her friend, and left more than 50+ scar on her friend's body, she almost died, she was barely breathing when they took her to the hospital, and when they check her mental health, she have schizophrenia, i just don't understand why these people escapes jail sentences, they didn't even put her on prison
If anyone was wondering about the missing information here, the person used as an example was Kelsey Patterson. This was not his first violent incident and shot another man who did survive prior to this incident. The judge responsible for the decision to give him the death penalty gave his very clear reasoning as the law in place in Texas could not guarantee this man would not be paroled eventually so for the safety of the community death was the only other option. This is an interesting premise for a video series, but please include all the relevant information available. Otherwise it definitely skews opinions. I don't believe that was the intent, given what seems like the channel's history of fair treatment but regardless these things should be included to get a better scope of the story.
When I saw the person who actually did the crime was black I said yeaaa he got the death penalty then I heard them say Texas and then it was written in stone for me
Gustav no, he will never be truly “normal”. It’s a neurological condition. Sure you can get medications and therapy etc but it can be a lifelong process for those things. And what if he stops taking them? Plus I mean he already murdered 2 people, with intent. Shouldn’t be back out into the world
@@natasjazimmermann8612 yeah because he is mentally challenged, Im not excusing the fact he killed someone but what you dont seem to realise is that people like this dont think properly and dont fully the know the gravity of what they are doing which is why he needs help not death infact no one deserves death, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind".
No one is ever going to pick Death Penalty on this channel I believe. Just being honest but Jubilee is more of a left leaning channel and that's fine, but that is the nature of the beast for some of this. But for the next one do an Albert Fish based case and see what the Verdict decides.
Davy Roger naive? I don’t think you applied that word correctly. And political views mostly affect more common political issues, like abortion or gun control. The death penalty is supported and shamed by all sides, (notice I said all instead of just separating them into only two sides) and I don’t believe this channel leaning more to the left has anything to do with the delusional individuals they casted for this video.
Davy Roger did I say that? No. I assume you are very young by the way you ignore all my valid points and put words into my mouth. I said it wasn’t as common as political issues like abortion or gun control. How could you get it’s not important at all by anything I said?
For the one woman who said her mother was murdered in front of her and that the murderers escaped prison, that should be a perfect reason to support the death penalty. Prisons are not perfect and although it's very uncommon, people have escaped and murdered people after their escape. (Edit) I am also only in support of execution if the evidence against that person is 100% irrefutable.
@@elijahtaylor2 No I'm just saying it's a much easy thing to prove and dont need to worry about innocents murdered. A massacre is much more severe of a crime then murder. Murder if used for capital punishment would need very complex guidelines and taken on case by case so I dont comment on it
@Nick Tokar I respect your opinion - but at what point do we classify evidence as 100% irrefutable? Not all evidence has to be presented at trial, and juries often have a hard time understanding the limitations and reliability of some forms of evidence (e.g., eyewitness or expert evidence) and can't think critically enough about it. This is the issue of having a lay jury instead of an expert jury - people might not have the necessary info/knowledge they need to correctly evaluate evidence
@@imitationcrabmeat6999 We all have biases. I assume you're an american which, is a country that has the death penalty therefore, you don't know anything else either. It still doesn't change the fact that I'm against the dealth penalty.
There’s a difference tho if something is being driven away from a rightful mind like a disorder, or abuse, something that’s biologically turning them insane, they can’t make rational decisions,
Michelle R but tbf it’s never racional when humans lose it. Ence why it’s called passional. Is someone who commits a crime in a rare state of fury more dangerous to society than someone who _has_ a dangerous disorder?
@@ItsZiincx That simply is not true. There are countless cases of people very much "in their right mind" committing murder. Examples: - Women killing their abusive husband in a pre-meditated way. - Retribution killing of someone who recently murdered their family member. - Killing a monarch/president in order to inherit power. All of those can be done calmly and deliberately, and people often say years later they wouldn't change what they did. Compare that to someone who is having a psychotic episode and honestly thinks that aliens are trying to destroy the Earth and they are "saving" us by killing the "alien". Obviously there is a huge difference between someone being in their right mind and not.
I don’t like how they say “ oh the death penalty is more humane” or “the death penalty is much quicker and easier”. The death penalty costs more than a life sentence. Also it’s not that much quicker there are people that have been on death row for over 40 years. This is so unrealistic because they were all about the emotions and not the facts but they didn’t even have the facts. I think this series could be really cool the just have to improve it a lot.
This is exactly why the video bothers people because of people with the same mindset as you , half of the time death penalty takes place within a year and it is for humane , when we talk about a life sentence it means this person will never return to normal society , meaning that all he will obtain from prison is abuse harassment etc. I personally dont know what to choose but if i was looking for the “humane” option 100% death penalty is it.
PLEASE, and I mean PLEASE do more of the verdict. I tried looking for other videos from you guys and only found ONE other😭 This is such a great idea and allows for the difference in opinions to be questioned and really show the relationship between emotions and opinions.
Jordan Onofiol that is the minimum, like the US, there is a minimum in the UK too. Here, it’s 25, but I assure you, that it is 25-life for life sentence punishment and probably 20-life in the UK. Not that the highest you can get up to is 20.
I don’t really feel like the death penalty side ever justified why they felt that the defendant should be executed after it was revealed he was schizophrenic.
If he murdered someone you knew just because it happened that that person was seen by that guy, would you still be like: "Well whatever just let him free it's not his fault" ?
Some actions are so inhumane that once a person commits them they forfeit their right to life. It doesn't matter if he had a mental illness or not, he killed two innocent people for no reason and if he was kept alive in the prison system he would only be a life long threat to other prisoners.
I mean this is usually what jurors get in information, this and witnessing statements from witnesses and the defendant and person on trial in the court
@@AC-ri2ph We would. Without order there's chaos and a society cannot function if there is chaos. Feelings allow us to view things in a more nuanced way, but the decision still needs to be logic based.
It cost allot to maintain those facility's and feed convicted murders along with all the other less dangerous offenders, and prisons here in America are very well known for their repeat offense rate (due to quite a few different factors) it's much simpler and cheaper just to remove murderers from the population, we should just do it how China does not that I particular agree with most of the shady stuff their country does but they do simple and cheap bullet point blank to the back of the head humane, quick and cheap can even reuse the bullet casing if you so desire we have to many people and to few resources to bother with feeding murderers
Gavin Guzman It is actually more expensive for the state to execute someone than it does to keep someone in prison the rest of their life. This is because of the many levels of expensive litigation and review that has to be done before carrying out a death sentence.
I’m honestly surprised how many people were so pro death penalty in the comments. I mean, I’m a bit mixed myself, like I’m in kind of a grey area, but with this case I genuinely would have said life sentence. It’s like what melody was saying about her mother being murdered, finding who the killers were had nothing to do with any sort of closure, she was able to move on and find that closure without those people getting killed in return, hell, they weren’t even caught. Is it still fucked up? Yes. But can people find that closure without wanting them dead as this sort of vengeance? Yes, that’s why a jury makes the decision and not that family bc they’re very emotional and can’t look at it in a remotely objective stance (which is already hard to do in the first place bc you’re choosing that fate of someone’s life). I would also like to make a point about the schizophrenia thing. When they were saying “but not in the right mindset “ yes, it’s obvious that no matter what no one is in their right mind when killing someone. But I think what they mean is prior to the murders. Was he already having a schizophrenic episode? Was he able to control/try to suppress himself? How bad was the episode if he was having one? I’m not saying that mental illness is an automatic pass for murder (I had a friend who was schizophrenic and he was lovely. But again he took medication and was very good at trying to suppress hallucinations by trying to ignore them), not everyone can do that. Mental illnesses are a very tricky thing and unless you have the condition or studied it for years you’ll never really understand their mindset at the time of or prior to it. It could’ve been voices in his head telling him to, making him overly paranoid and out of his ‘right mind’. Or it could’ve not. We’ll never know. But the reason some eventually converted is because they liked the sound of “if there is a *chance* for rehabilitation” the fact that there might be a way to get him the resources he needs to be more well rounded, although he’s likely have to be put under surveillance 24/7. Idk, that’s my personal opinion, you can think whatever you want I’m personally kinda gray on the area myself. I just wanted to give reasonings as to why the life sentence may seem fairly reasonable to others, as someone who’s met plenty of people struggling with mental health issues. Have a nice day :)
I honestly never understood that anyone would want to take another life to get justice, like two people died, and you wanna make it three? Like i really don’t get it Someone being a criminal doesn’t make their life less worthy than anyone else’s, idk death penalty is just so 1800ish to me
@Maja Jacek let's take a extreme solution like Paris' tragedy. You are saying you are as bad as someone who murdered tons of people because you killed them. That's like saying Oh your bad for putting that person who kidnapped that person in jail because you are kidnapping them.
I don’t believe in the death penalty. Whether someone has an “excuse” or not. I just think that’s taking the easy way out. So, I don’t think this particular thought experience would work on me. I think it would be a more interesting concept to present the facts as they would have in the trial and then choose whether you would convict them or deem them innocent.
Salsa Bila do you not think they would be able to get out of that as well? You do realize that people aren’t sentenced to death immediately, right? It takes years.
Too many like minded people. Real juries take way longer to come to a conclusion. Yeah there were people for death penalty but they switched real quick
I'm not trying to be that person, but it's crazy how little people know about mental health. The idea of sentencing someone with schizophrenia to death or life in prison is so wrong. I worked with someone who had it, he was so lovely and friendly when he was baseline, but when he was off baseline it was scary, but he literally couldn't help it. He would always apologized after, and it was so sad that he just didn't have control over himself at times. Death or punishment are should absolutely not be an option. Rehabilitation and care is what is needed.
Nobody is killing him for his schizophrenia, it's the combination of that and his violent actions. I wouldn't want a loose cannon like that walk free in my ciuntry. And how can I pity this man when he knows himself how dangerous he is yet owns a gun?
@@amarmesic7170 I understand that people feel afraid but killing someone for possible further crimes shouldn't be an option. if given the right help and medication, many people with schizophrenia can be rehabilitated. Furthermore, once released, they live in supported housing, which means they have a case worker on site. It is up to us as a society to ensure this. If a state or country cannot ensure this then that is something that should be pursued. I'm strongly opposed to the death penalty anyway (I use to be pro), but killing someone with a mental health condition is a mark of lack of understanding and failure of a society. And, yes your right, how does someone like this get there hands on a gun? That is the bigger question that should be addressed, and it does not get solved by killing someone with schizophrenia.
3:36 Melody is right tho, the facilities for convicts awaiting the death penalty are so much nicer than prisons, and you could live the rest of your life at that prison much more comfortably than the standard state prison
As a woman who struggles with anxiety and depression, I believe you should be held responsible for your actions. A person committing murder should be held, this person had multiple opportunities to get help but chose not to. Mental illness is NOT an excuse to get away with crime. You commit the crime, you do the time.
@Salsa Bila I never said anything about the person being released, I was saying a person with mental illness should be held accountable and not just run as an excuse, "Oh he/she was mentally insane, let's just put them in an mental hospital." If you actually look at the different crimes, most criminals with mental illness try to plead as they were mentally insane and had no idea what they were doing to try to avoid a lighter sentence and just sent to a mental hospital and then probation.
It’s so frustrating to sit and watch an argument that you can’t contribute to
Haha omg right
And that my friend is what comments are for
you are so right!
It doesn’t bother me that much because we’re basically having our own lil convo in the comment section
Big ENTP energy
i can’t decide where to eat let alone decide a person’s fate
You say it the other way around
Elise B nobody should decide anothers fate, not to the extent of the death penalty atleast
1 000 oh yeah but u get the message
VanQuisH agreed
The convicted decided their fate once they carried out the crime. As harsh as it sounds, you have to treat jury duty like a business with no emotion or hesitation involved.
Why did they stop making the verdict these are good.
Quarantine lol
@@larrid33 they still make other series in quarantine tho
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@@jadex. I think for this one they have a relatively large amount of people in close proximity where as in other series they can distance them
@@petals3091 true
“They didn’t say that he was a threat to society”
“He legit killed two people”
😂😂
Mabey he slipped🤷🏽♂️
In the same place
Twice
And who are you to decide someone's fate.
@@xelal7898 a judge
@@xelal7898 also, that's literally what the video is all about lmaoo
Saeedat A I didn’t like how they were saying pushing the “everyone needs a second ChAnCEeeE” he legit murdered 2 people. I wouldn’t have given the death penalty but I wouldn’t have given the life sentence for that reason either
The person who’s mom was murdered in front of her would never qualify to be on a jury like this
That's what I thought to myself too! She's way too biased. @Personalive
Personalive you’d feel the same way if you were in her situation
Jack R yeah, but bias is not allowed.
Jack R Jury’s are pre vetted to make sure no one who has a personal connection to the sort of crime being considered is a part of the jury as their past experiences can sway their vote, not saying I disagree with her
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It is said that the perpetrator was schizophrenic, however, it did not say whether he was going through an episode during the time of the crime or if he did have schizophrenia but was actually lucid during the crime?
Finally someone says it. I was literally scrolling through the comments to find this
I thought about that to.😐 Like life. Varables, uncertainty.Fragility.
Hunter Grey how does this not have more likes
@DC 10o01 Well said mate bloody mitigating cercumstances l Don know how it is in America but to you also get less of a sentence if your hi or drink??? OUTRAGEOUS
DC 10o01 I get what you’re saying. They should’ve then clarified that he is schizophrenic but it is unknown at the time of the crime whether or not he was experiencing an episode or was lucid. For example, someone harming or killing another person because they are hallucinating and in a delusional state that the other person is trying to harm them needs to be treated differently than someone harming or killing another person because the perpetrator just wanted to cause harm to an innocent person. Unfortunately, they did not know and there were no witnesses that I remember. Just saying he was schizophrenic likely lead some of the jury members to think he was having an episode during the crime even though there was a chance he could’ve been lucid. Then you have other jurors likely forgetting that the hallucinations and delusions schizophrenia can cause can be so severe that the person has no clue what is real and not real. We’ll never know though because based on what you said, we can’t really ask dead people. Even if we could, there is no guarantee the victim will know whether or not the person who killed them did it because they were going through an episode.
This is an interesting concept, but I would love to see an episode where you conduct a mock trial, so the "jury" can decide on guilt or innocence based on available evidence rather than whether or not to give someone the death penalty. Many people already have their minds made up regarding the death penalty, so it's not as interesting (i.e., the dialogue isn't as rich).
Wow I'm mind blown that sounds SUPER INTERESTING
Omg this sounds so good 👏🏾👏🏾
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I get what you're saying but I disagree because I think going into people think they know but coming out of it they may not have made the same answer. But I still would love an innocent or guilty verdict video too!
Interesting concept, but perhaps to truly make a verdict in a trial situation would require A LOT of evidence and time spent explaining. It would become a bigger time commitment.
"I want this person to get the help they need" That's why mental health services should be offered to people BEFORE it gets so out of hand that someone who is schizophrenic murders 2 strangers. I'm sure most people can agree on that.... :(
That would be nice, unfortunately most people don't even know they need mental health help or just simply refuse to accept that they need help.
Or because help is like $1K dollars a session just for 30 minutes
Sadly a person is not diagnosed until it happens or is believed to be fine by doctors
@@nicktokar2459 even when you want help it's not that easy or simple to actually get it
People with schizophrenia are at far more risk of becoming victims of violence than committing it.
They said “but he wasn’t in the right mind”. When are you ever in the “right mind” when killing two people though?
hannah_ree you’re right but there’s a difference when someone is making a conscious decision to do something and when they’re not
I can give you an example. Let's say a certain Thomas is a soldier and on his first assignment in a war zone he is obliged to transport medical care to another allied base safely. Unfortunately, their car is being ambushed by enemies. The enemies start shooting to prevent Thomas and his unit from getting to the other base. Now it's sink or swim. So what has Thomas to so?...He takes his rifle and has to shoot the enemy troops in order to get the medical supplies to the other base but more importantly to protect his comrades and his own life in this case. Now, please tell me why Thomas acted with a wrong or bad state of mind at this moment?
*I think you can tell that my mother tongue isn't English
@Madeline Leigh Young Thx bud
When you're defending yourself
The women who’s family member was killed in front of her wouldn’t have even been allowed on this jury. Just saying.
Yep
They had someone like that last episode too. They should be careful of that.
Wouldn’t that be considered bias? Just wondering I’m not old enough for jury duty
@@exoticcats6119 yea. Because they tebd to vote based on their emotions instead of logically.
Exotic Cats when you are in the jury selection process, you would actually be asked questions. They might ask if anyone has a friend or family member that was a victim of gun violence. It would almost automatically disqualify you.
I believe if this series is to continue the jury should be a mixture of people of all ages. The jury here seemed to be all younger folks and I would love to see some older people’s opinions as well! Just a thought! 😊
+1
The first one had a diverse group
Yes but I think every one of these videos should have a jury of mixed ages so we can get an idea of how age can factor opinions and beliefs!
yeah seemed like all young, liberal minorities that oppose the death penalty in general. Wanna make an omelette you've gotta crack some eggs. LIke the dude who killed and ate somebody on the bus in Canada. He's now FREE. 9 years later and with 0 living restrictions. I'm sorry but a guy that kills and eats someone should be put to death. I dont care how crazy he says he was. You should face the consequences. Eye for an eye. You take a life yours gets taken. We should be making a death penalty verdict MUCH more restrictive in terms of appeals. You get 1 appeal, if you lose that's it. A bullet costs 10 cents. Death penalty only costs so much because of the time the verdict is tied up in appeals court for decades. Make sitting in prison no longer an option. You get 1 year to appeal. All appeals go direct to a newly created court dealing specifically with death penalties, with the equivalent legal power of the supreme court in those trials. The court has 4 republicans, 4 democrats and 3 independents. If they rule you die you get a bus back to the jail and 24 hours later you're done. Lower judges in the initial court can only rule for a death penalty in cases where the act is filmed or multiple people of sound mind testify the person did something worthy of a death penalty ex murder/rape or exploitation of a child
Imagine old ppl one this, good idea
As previously suggested, the jury needs to be a mixture of people.This young crowd wasn't doing to for me. DIVERSITY is key.
No older people
that's so rude, you can be young and still be smart.
@@kimaya.3563 Nah it's not lol, it's nicer to hear older people's opinion seeing as they grew up in a different time with different laws and all that stuff. It's nice to see how they'd pick. Both episodes, the younger people we're all about "but they can change in prison!" but they killed four two people? KILLED. So these young people are not right for this
@@kimaya.3563 but its not diverse
plus i dont believe 3 in 12 ppl are gay so maybe they delibaretly put a few gay ppl for diversity
im bi btw
A lot of murderers have mental health issues to some extent or another. Whether it’s suicidal depression, ASPD, schizophrenia or just anger issues.
What matters is if they understand the result of their actions and that it was a crime
But regardless the Death penalty should be abolished.
Carlos Gillon that too as even putting aside all morality when it comes to the death penalty it doesn’t deter crime and costs 9x what it would cost to imprison a person for life.
Yes! I hate that this wasn't brought up because that would have been the information that helped inform my decision.
NinjaSheep but all of those affect the mind different anger issues and suicidal depression is nothing like schizophrenia, schizophrenia can make u think it was literally self defense.
CeceLew Lou yup some people with schizophrenia genuinely don’t know what their actions will result in and so should (as most systems do) be sent to a mental facility as opposed to prison. However others are in control and killed with knowledge of their actions.
Realistically it shouldn’t just be “schizophrenics are never guilty” and instead “this schizophrenic wasn’t aware of their actions”
Critique: Too simplistic, there’s too little context to actually make a veredict or even a proper debate. If you continue down this path, all episodes will be the same, because all debates will end up presenting the same cons and pros.
I’m enthused to see a 20 min episode where much more context is added into the mix.
I agree completely but I also want to add that this concept is really interesting and creative and that the excecution of it is already great!
I agree. With more time, people would unravel where they truly to stand and not be swayed; otherwise, we're just watching a bunch of relativists needing to support the majority, not their own thoughts.
exactly. I needed more details to make a decision. this sort of looks like school chit chat rather than a debate
It doesn’t really make sense anyway. They’re being introduced to the situation with complete acceptation that he did commit the crime, and are only choosing a sentence. A jury is there for hearings, and has MUCH more information than two slides.
So yeah, completely agree.
Agree! 20 min episode with more "twists", something a bit more in-depth. Even maybe include ex-prisoners so it gives it an even more diverse perspective. Also include people from different ages too. Also maybe something less clear-cut. Cases where people aren't sure the person really killed someone, and evidence is brought up little by little
You could obviously tell that they only reached a unanimous decision because the few people voting for death sentence just got peer pressured. Everyone wanted to go home and they didn’t want to anger anybody, so a few of them just voted life in the end. I hope that his is not how actual decisions are made in real jury duty.
I was watching an episode of a crime show called Monk, which obviously isn't real life but still. At first, 19 of the 20 people voted him not guilty, but Monk voted him guilty. Some stuff happened and almost an entire day went by. Everybody kept getting mad at Monk because they all just wanted to get home. Well, while they were deciding his punishment, a second body was found inside a dumpster just outside of the courthouse and it was disposed of by the guy who everyone was trying to vote not guilty just so that they could go home. So...
Watch the movie 12 Angry men.
This exact situation but a man stands alone and uses Socratic philosophical processes to examine the situation. It's tremendous and I highly recommend it.
@@zsl1256 YES I had to watch that in school a few years ago and it was actually really entertaining and insightful
@@zsl1256 omg my law teacher recommended this movie for us to watch a while ago but i totally forgot about it, think im gonna watch it now. thanks lol
@@krystalklein8616 i miss that show so muchhhhh
Is no one going to talk about about how that one guy looked like James Charles with a sunburn
Is it a sunburn? Looks like he got pepper sprayed 😅
Looks like he was crying lol
Thank gawd someone said it!🙌
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Suggesting to think like a family member of the victim kind of defeats the whole purpose of the jury. Law doesn't and shouldn't be swayed by emotions.
Unfortunately, there are not enough facts given to them to make a logical conclusion independent of emotions. A lot of their arguments hinge on "what ifs". This is more like a moral debate than a jury.
... Which is the reason why in many other countries there is no jury of untrained people who decide someone's fate.
@@talunae.8924 And a lot of those countries don't have due process rights so if you are accused you are automatically 'guilty'. We need a variety of perspectives in order for there to be a fair trial.
Well, you still need to have in mind of how to be empathic. you need to think that 'what if this was someone I knew that was killed'
Exactly and even if you are thinking about family, they would be upset either way, with the person being executed or put on the life sentence so it's not like it even matters
These are the kind of people I would never want in a jury
Yes I hate liberals
DA BOSS How is this political?
Why
Consuelo López because ramifications for actions are necessary, in my opinion. When he gets to prison all he’s going to do is become worse.
@@jaidynluna3343 If you give them proper care, they won't get worse.
Everyone when Melody wanted to tell a story: oh hmm sure tell a story ugh
Melody: Um so my mom was murdered
Everyone else: oh.. :0
Emma The Butt sob story :|
Fax
Emma The Butt I don’t believe it, literally anyone can be in a Jubilee video, they are literally completely anonymous
Right!
@@josephoso It's not an uncommon thing and why would somebody lie about something like that on a public video. You go to some place like El Salvador you'll find a lot of people who's had family murdered
*Randomly Kills two people*
bUT tHeY DIdn'T SAy hE wAS A tHrEAt to SOciETY
Timothy King there’s a difference between being a threat to society when you are off your meds/not receiving care and being a threat to society when you’re completely cognizant of everything you’re doing
Elle he literally killed 2 people
well it couldve been planned and like they knew the person
@@thesnowflakediaries5267 they said he didn't know the victims
She's talking about the fact that the psychiatrists didn't deem him go be a threat to society based on his mental illness alone.
do people not realize that being sentenced to death doesn't mean immediately? they argue that they want them to sit and think about what they've done but they can do that on death row like find another argument if that's the only thing stopping you from switching sides
They were only given a few minutes to discuss and with specific guidelines. So they weren’t thinking the long term effects.
THANK YOU SIS
I didn't know that, how does that work?
Kamisama Senpai once somebody gets sentenced, there’s already people on something named “death row” Commiting an execution takes a while, so if your sentenced it will take a while for you to actually be put on the chair, and sometimes while in jail you just never end up being put to death. That’s why the argument “he needs time to evaluate” works under the death penalty and isn’t a valid argument
@Jacob Moquin Thank you for explanation (I'm not American so I wasn't familiar with this)
I'd like to mention that individuals with schizophrenia are *extremely unlikely* to hurt others. It's a terrible stigma associated with the illness.
SkullCrusher117 That’s absolutely correct, but it is still possible. In fact, for some reason it seems that a lot of people who hurt others have no mental illnesses/disabilities. Which is quite strange to me, like why are people with mental illnesses and disorders like myself (Autism) stigmatized when the majority could technically be considered mentally stable?
@@zoeystewart2310 people fear things they don't understand. Lack of understanding creates ignorance. Ignorance creates trouble for others.
SkullCrusher117 As a person with mental disabilities myself, this is spot on!
I would think that if it were unrecognized and untreated for so long that the chance would increase. But i think it’s dependent on every situation and the degree of the disorder, and what has been done to help treat it.
@@elijahb.3036 actually the longer it goes untreated there is a higher risk of self harm and suicide rather than hurting others. Not saying that it's impossible, but out of all the mental disorders, schizophrenics have the largest rates of suicide. It may be possible that if an individual had severe paranoid schizophrenia or bipolar type schizoaffective disorder the risk of 'danger to others' may increase. But generally people with schizophrenia are decent folk and should be treated as such. There might be videos on TH-cam of interviews with patients with schizophrenia. We saw some in my lectures. You really feel for those people
Jubilee really out here giving us this content for FREE
delete this before you give them ideas
Daniel Nascimento lol 😂
they're gonna turn out to be like EA!!!!!
@@chickennuggets1990 ea bad
And they better keep it that way
they only focused on the killers justice not the victims justice smh
Why does justice have to come from ending another life? What does that contribute? That isn’t just, it is revenge.
Killing the killer would not bring justice to the victims.
Killing the killer isn't justice, it's revenge.
killing the killer is neither justice or revenge it prevents other innocent deaths
@@Prod.CoreyGazit Jail for life prevents the same thing, your point?
I wish they would tell the people the real verdict to get their reactions
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agreed
GOD
Well said
Im going to tell my kids that the one dude Whisper Sixx is James Charles
Ada Ahrberg NOT JAMES CHARLES I-
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"Maybe he gets life sentence with parole." What even
Brandon Rediker exactly smh. How about just life period. He killed two people
imagine a world outside of America where this is a real thing and people are given a second chance after receiving treatment, guidance and education in prison.
@@lv834 if you killed 2 people?? buddy nah.
AquaApp App but he is mentally ill, he could get better
@@Aquariuswonder86 Solitary, no parole, no contact with other people again.
Can we diversify the age groups more instead of having 12 millennials?
I’m a millennial but I agree with you.
Include some Gen Z (some are of 18+)
The first ep was good. Cynthia was a true star in that jury.
Y’all bugged out. I don’t think anyone could ever be “excused” for murder. Now, what their sentence should be? That’s a different story.
Melissa Castelly right.
Melissa Castelly / exactly!!!
couldn’t have said it better myself
facts!!!
At the end of the day, life or death sentence, you die in prison so... idk
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Mom: we have James Charles at home.
James Charles at home: whisper sixx
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I feel like they should blindfold them or something when choosing
Diana Mederos I agree
Fr. They were definitely swayed by the majority
Reasonable!
Not a bad idea at all.
@@alyssaguess That's how liberals work. Disguised peer pressure.
I mean, they may have also just wanted to go home.
I feel that in order for this show to work, you guys need to have a mixture of all ages and political ideologies.
Austin Moon yea not just people in 20s or so
Do it just like a real jury. And keep people like the chick who saw her mom die out like a real jury
@Salsa Bila suuuure. Makes sense to have only socialistic views in a panel. 🙄😑
Salsa Bila your opinion is exactly why there will always be political tension, assuming stuff about ppl is never good lool
Crazy Butter72 tbh i dont think if they knew. Thats not something you usually tell everybody first thing when meeting
Death row is not “a quick escape” you stay in death row for years
Death is like such an easy way out lol, like ok they’re dead... what now? Like death is so easyy
@@heybye1119 Most people die of natural causes before their turn. Some guy got sentenced to the death penalty at 18 and he's 43 odd years old and is still waiting.
@@heybye1119 they have to wait for like 20 years before they finally get death, it would honestly be meaner to them for them to know they only have so much longer to live
@@laneyperkins840 ohh 😮
There have been numerous cases where people died while waiting on the death row for natural causes.
This series reminds me of the general stupidity of humanity. Some of these people's reasoning is just....what... even....
makes you wish you were the person he killed
Would you choose death s. or life s.?
Joshua Groß life I think the death sentence is always wrong
Of course, if you killed someone by accident...I mean death sentence is pretty excessively.
Joshua Groß why can’t we just freeze the dude in like a giant block of ice, that way they’re not actually dead or actually living, problem solved (lol just a joke please don’t take me too seriously)
Confused as to why melody said she “would have wanted retribution in the form of blood a month ago” then says she doesnt think the death penalty is a good option and the proceeds to vote for the death penalty????
she confused tf out of me lol
Means she changed her mind. Maybe something happened in that time that made her think differently. It happens, people can change their mind due to their experiences, knowledge and context.
This is how people get sentenced wrong, people in a jury will just say “oh well most people say this, and I don’t wanna oppose so I’ll say what they say even though I don’t agree with it”
If you believe that there’s a possibility there’s a better option, stand by it, don’t give into peer pressure, someone’s LIFE is at stake (10:10)
George Aguilar but this isn’t an actual jury. They only had half an hour so it honestly makes sense. That’s what I’d so in their position
and the persons life who is at stake just killed 2 people when you died because of that would you want that person to live?
Thunderking A What would his death bring? Literally nothing but waste the state money and continue the system that has put innocent people to death, disproportionately minorities.
@@crystalwang1532 If you’re talking about what costs more for the state, keeping them alive is far more expensive
@@crystalwang1532 and also the unfortunate truth is SOME minorities are disproportionately killing at higher rates too, so the fact that they get disproportionate possibility of the death sentence reflects that.
julibee has the BEST content on yt i swear
Jake Jackson Jubilee for the realness, Soul Pancake for the wholesomeness and Cut for the messiness 😂
Just a reminder that just because someone has or is diagnosed with schizophrenia does not mean they’re a violent person!
That might be true, but this individual with schizophrenia has already proven that he will hurt others, you know, by KILLING TWO PEOPLE!
It doesn’t mean it but at same time, it strongly posible, they are dangerous.
Fun fact, sometimes it takes years for a death penalty, the point of it is legit to make the suspect scared of dying for years and years, thus making it worse than the life sentence.
exactly, so if you're for absolute retribution you're better off choosing that
it's more expensive though
This series is awesome. Now we have the big 3. Verdict, Spectrum, and Middle Ground
Omni Pepper and odd man out
Im not a fan of verdict. I think odd man outbis better
@@mlol6000 I guess you could say it was the "odd man out"
All of those are my favorite along with Odd Man Out ☺️
It's strange coming from a European perspective how people talk about the death sentence like it's a normal thing. In all of Europe and pretty much all western countries the death sentence has been abolished.
Joe Cramp who asked about European laws. That has nothing to do with the video stay on topic
Aye Yo They literally just made a comment about how weird it is. It’s really weird and scary that so many people, not that far away from where we live, actually considers punishing murderers with murder.
Night Owl k
Some murders deserve to be murdered. The only punishment that fits the crime
@@ayeyo5097 It's super important to take into account how other cultures deal with ethical problems because we can learn so much from it. Your type of mindset of segregation is what prohibits the progression of society
Me: kills ten people in cold blood.
these jurors: I don't know all the details, he might have a family that love him i don't know.
Inexperienced and just impulsive lot lol. Pretty much an entire generation tho so that's another topic.
"Its sucks for the family yea, but what about the killer they need help" those people that got murdered dont get a second chance
True true, but you can think of it iin the life isn't fair terms. It's not fair for someone to get their life stolen from them, same way isn't fair for someone to be born into severe poverty or war, same way for someone to be born with a broken brain(various degrees of iillness) to the point where their options are to be locked up, killed, or hurt someone. This person lost from day one.
spicy rice Of course he wasn’t mentally healthy. Anyone who murders isn’t! Mental health is used as an excuse in everything by us Gen Z and Millenials. Now to the point of compromising justice. If you’re playing a game and you break the rules their consequences. If you continue breaking the rules you shouldn’t be playing the game. Life is similar.
@@AC-ri2ph Also half the worlds population suffer from some form of mental illness...they need treatment before a crime can happen...if it happens then thats it for them...death penalty...they are a threat...if someone cab take someones life away..like a human life is soo precious as they themselves have one...then what in a 1000,000 universes do u think that they won't do it again or will feel sorry by sitting in a cell...
yes but killing him isn’t going to bring them back whereas trying to help him and rehabilitate him can in turn help him redeem his previous actions by helping others etc.
@@AC-ri2ph the thing is, when fairness can be granted you grant it. In this incident these victims could have been avenged. Crazy or not, if you took two innocent souls from the world then your soul doesn't deserve to graze our Earth.
These people act like the American Prison System would actually bother re-habilitating.
Lol like why would they suddenly stop what’s making them billions????
You think death penalty has more chances?
"But death is more humane than life sentence"
Melody was having a conversation that the rest of them weren't ready for
"not in a right mind" ARE THEY SAYING MOST PEOPLE ARE IN A RIGHT MIND WHEN *MURDERING SOMEONE* HAHAHAHAHA OMG
sometimes. especially in cases where someone kills an ex spouse/spouse theyre having issues with. i know of A LOT of cases like that. those (most of the time) men know what theyre doing and cant be diagnosed with anything
evie but “lacking mental illness” and “being in the right mind” are two different things and saying people are in a right mind while committing crimes especially murder is where the issue is because rarely are people in a right mind while murdering another person.
evie this comment isn’t about about mental illness, and i don’t need stats thanks tho
evie i’m meaning it in the way that you don’t have to be mentally ill to be in “a wrong mindset” like when you’re drunk or angry and people say you “aren’t in the right mind” to make decisions. I was making fun of the fact that they said he wasn’t in his right mind becuase is anyone in a right mind while murdering another human? a sane mind probably but the contrast is sane and sick mind or right and wrong mind, right mind doesn’t automatically equal mentally heathy just liek being in the wrong mind doesn’t automatically equal being mentally ill. So just the way they used that phrase seemed incorrect to me.
@@nihilnemo5421 no problem thanks for qustioning it so we could hear eachothers sides!!! (so crucial for effective conversation)
Why are none of them talking about how he got a gun in the first place if he’s crazy
exactlyyyyyyyy
Im living in europe and im glad i dont need to worry about a mentally unstable person running around with a gun... just saying
many gun shops etc. don't run background checks or mental health checks.
@@vl0731 yeah especially in Texas
@@maryday4394 Wait, why don't you live with this fear?
These people don’t realise life sentence is 30 years and not a lifetime. 🤦♂️
That's not the full picture, it's actually a lot more nuanced than that. A verdict of "life sentence without parole" is a lifetime. And if the verdict does include the possibility of parole, the amount of years in prison before parole depends on the state where you live and can vary between 15 and 40 years for a single "life term".
@@marymik7372 your wrong either way that person should be killed slowly to know what those people went through oh wait he shot them in the head no feeling the only people who felt it was everyone who new the people he killed eye for an eye
In the United States, a life sentence is a life sentence. That’s not the way it is in many countries around the world which ofc you can debate, but in the context of this scenario they would go to jail for life.
@@sportstalk9587 You're saying I'm wrong but I never stated an opinion. Just how the current law works. Whether or not the death penalty should be allowed is a different debate
@@marymik7372 I know you didn’t state an opinion but what you said was incorrect
Perfect timing, I just cooked & got my plate.
SAMEEE
watching this over the stove lol
Honestly 😂
@@ballindollin ewww
@@ballindollin girl ppl trynna eat and stuff and u talking about pooping. I gagged
They’re all trying to empathise and justify the killer’s actions. No one cares about the victims.
The victims are dead, slaughtering another person won't bring them back not bring closure to their families
@@declanjones1751 what if he kills someone else?
@@Michelrs which he would more than likely do, when people get life in prison it changes them to be reliant on that system.. if he was to get out he would do anything to go back and hes already done the worst..
@@ragingrainbow6151 you also have to take into account that he was not cognizant. That is important
Most mental people get worse in prison. Do people not know the stuff that goes on? People literally be getting rape and nothing happens.
I’m really happy that this jury wasn’t the real one.
Almaha - life sentence is way worse than death. death is the easy way out, life sentence leaves you to your own thoughts and you’ll never see the light of day again and you’ll suffer living the same day every day for the rest of your life
Banana Smoothie Yes, but it costs a lot + those “judges” were into the life sentence because they believe that he deserves a second chance, not to make him suffer from his own mistake!
(Sorry for my bad English lol)
Banana Smoothie Death isn’t the easy way out, a study showed that initially someone who has went through a tragic event rated their happiness very low whereas someone who won in excess of a million rated it high, however after a year had passed they both rated their happiness roughly the same. That’s because humans adapt, if you go to prison you’ll get used to it and sure, you might want out but you’ll still enjoy your life whereas if they are sentenced to death they are wiped from the earth and can never commit another atrocity again.
I'm really unhappy the this jury wasn't the real one
@@ChynnaR You say 'death is the easy way out' as thought death penalty is carried out instantly. It's not. People sit on death row for sometimes over 20 years. They are faced with their consequences and previous actions and the thought of eventual death.
I Wonder If His Ethnicity Was Mentioned Would They Have Changed Their Minds...
That Goes For The REAL Jury As Well..
Manda Panda it does make a difference
No it probably wouldn't
Manda Panda
The man got the death penalty ...in texas... in the ’90s...as a black man. Lmafaoo he could be innocent and will probably face it regardless. Remember the Central Park Five? The POC would probably be less biased if ethnicity/race was mentioned, but nevertheless this is just for entertainment. 🙃
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It goes both ways though. Its the race of the jury thats the problem. However thats less of an issue today because the jury has to be diverse in ethnicities. How do you think OJ got free?
Black jury with a black defendant.
cmon jubilee where is the age diversity, all i see are millennials. these conversations in the video are exhausting.
Giovanni Calabrese I mean, when all the old people are dead, millennials will be the ones on the jury
The KingIndustry how about teens
sage what about them?
Giovanni Calabrese I’m guessing no old people volunteered to do it? I’m not sure how they find the people but I think less older people would want to do something like this🤷♀️
The KingIndustry don’t forget about some gen z
If this series continued, I would love to see a person represent the people who have been in jail or prison because their story could become very beneficial by changing their perspective of what is life like in prison or jail. I also want a range of other ages in this series.
In the video, I don't think people realized the reality of jail or prison. When a person is sentenced to jail or prison, there is no fair treatment or doctor to help or represent any people that have a mental illness. There is no luxury in jail or prison. Also when a judge sentences a human that has a mental illness, they have to analyze and see if that human is fit for society.
This!!!
As a person who has been to prison in more then one state I disagree. You have doctors. You have people that will fight for you. And prison is not great but not as hard as tv make it.
"Get the help they need" so they can what live in prison for the rest of their life? You definitely don't deserve to get out of prison after killing two people in cold blood.
Life sentence is a long, long time in prison. Let's not pretend it's only a few months in the naughty corner
@@declanjones1751 I'm not pretending that's the case at all. I just don't see the point of trying to rehabilitate someone who's never gonna see the light of day
Being stuck in prison makes you even more insane, so the “punishment” really doesn’t end in jail. The rape & abuse so many experience, can’t that be seen as cruel & unusual?
Dylan Knight people who commit crimes due to their mental illness are still people. They need help. “Get the help they need” doesn’t necessarily mean no prison, it means professional help.
@@anthonysclafani3963 What I'm saying is it's a waste of time to give someone help who has already murdered at least two people in cold blood and will be spending the rest of his life in prison there is no debate as to whether they are considered people or not
7:58 this dude went from death sentence to possibility of parole? You’re casting the wrong people..
No, hw went to life with possibility of parole seeing as he is schizophrenic
Gay Werewolf that’s my point, they are judge mental and then when they reveal a twist they play the snowflake card and show empathy.
@@JMoney615 so it's better they make the decision of life and death based off the first lot of information and stick with it?! That's blind thinking.
@Hayley W noooooo, that dude is a snowflake and that’s what I’m saying. This series is an amazing idea, but if they want to make it better they need to cast people who don’t play with their own emotions. That’s all.
@@JMoney615 yeah I agree but I don't think he's a snowflake for making an informed decision. Like he was making decisions based on the information given
There is a murder attempt near my town, a women stabbed her friend, and left more than 50+ scar on her friend's body, she almost died, she was barely breathing when they took her to the hospital, and when they check her mental health, she have schizophrenia, i just don't understand why these people escapes jail sentences, they didn't even put her on prison
If anyone was wondering about the missing information here, the person used as an example was Kelsey Patterson. This was not his first violent incident and shot another man who did survive prior to this incident. The judge responsible for the decision to give him the death penalty gave his very clear reasoning as the law in place in Texas could not guarantee this man would not be paroled eventually so for the safety of the community death was the only other option. This is an interesting premise for a video series, but please include all the relevant information available. Otherwise it definitely skews opinions. I don't believe that was the intent, given what seems like the channel's history of fair treatment but regardless these things should be included to get a better scope of the story.
When I saw the person who actually did the crime was black I said yeaaa he got the death penalty then I heard them say Texas and then it was written in stone for me
sadly was thinking the same.. :(
Robby Hamilton
Same.
he killed 2 people regardless of his race he deserved to die
I think any race would get the death penalty for randomly killing 2 people in Texas
@@killerch33z your opinion.
“Give him a second chance to be a normal person again” bruh he has a neurological condition that won’t ever let him be “normal” again.
But he can get a proper treatment and be normal
Gustav no, he will never be truly “normal”. It’s a neurological condition. Sure you can get medications and therapy etc but it can be a lifelong process for those things. And what if he stops taking them? Plus I mean he already murdered 2 people, with intent. Shouldn’t be back out into the world
@@Not.Ferrnnzz so people with metal illness dont deserve to live
BallyNaxx He’s not saying that mentally ill can’t live. IT’S BECAUSE HE KILLED PEOPLE. Stupidity to the next level👏
@@natasjazimmermann8612 yeah because he is mentally challenged, Im not excusing the fact he killed someone but what you dont seem to realise is that people like this dont think properly and dont fully the know the gravity of what they are doing which is why he needs help not death infact no one deserves death, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind".
3:03 I feel like that supports the "life" side, but she wants the death sentence
These Ppl don't kno wtf they're even fighting for
Ikr
6:07 too like?!?? She says she wouldn’t feel bettter if they were killed but still says death sentence? I’m confused
Lol I noticed that too. Sis was constantlyyyy contradicting herself lmao
No one is ever going to pick Death Penalty on this channel I believe.
Just being honest but Jubilee is more of a left leaning channel and that's fine, but that is the nature of the beast for some of this.
But for the next one do an Albert Fish based case and see what the Verdict decides.
I’m sorry but politics does not play a role in morals on death penalty. I am all for the death penalty, but completely liberal.
@@nic_aya How naive of you to think that just because your political view does not affect this argument it must be the same for everyone else
Davy Roger naive? I don’t think you applied that word correctly. And political views mostly affect more common political issues, like abortion or gun control. The death penalty is supported and shamed by all sides, (notice I said all instead of just separating them into only two sides) and I don’t believe this channel leaning more to the left has anything to do with the delusional individuals they casted for this video.
@@nic_aya So you don't think the death penalty which is ultimately decided by state law is....not a political issue?
Davy Roger did I say that? No. I assume you are very young by the way you ignore all my valid points and put words into my mouth. I said it wasn’t as common as political issues like abortion or gun control. How could you get it’s not important at all by anything I said?
Melody shouldn’t have even been on the jury. She has such a personal connection to the crime.
what is that profile picture
oh no I just noticed...
Amarnath Sanothra oh no
Love your pfp
For the one woman who said her mother was murdered in front of her and that the murderers escaped prison, that should be a perfect reason to support the death penalty. Prisons are not perfect and although it's very uncommon, people have escaped and murdered people after their escape.
(Edit) I am also only in support of execution if the evidence against that person is 100% irrefutable.
And every innocent reason on death row should be he perfect example on why it is u justifiable do execute someone
@@lukasabcdefg5606 That's much rarer now then 50 years ago. Though capital punishment should only be used in extreme cases/massacres
Hawk Unleashed why so? Human life is only valuable if a genocide occurs?
@@elijahtaylor2 No I'm just saying it's a much easy thing to prove and dont need to worry about innocents murdered. A massacre is much more severe of a crime then murder. Murder if used for capital punishment would need very complex guidelines and taken on case by case so I dont comment on it
@Nick Tokar I respect your opinion - but at what point do we classify evidence as 100% irrefutable? Not all evidence has to be presented at trial, and juries often have a hard time understanding the limitations and reliability of some forms of evidence (e.g., eyewitness or expert evidence) and can't think critically enough about it. This is the issue of having a lay jury instead of an expert jury - people might not have the necessary info/knowledge they need to correctly evaluate evidence
Being from Europe, this feels bewildering to watch
Same.
Meaning?
@@imitationcrabmeat6999 the dealth penalty is abolished in all but one country of Europe
@@hannahforse316 u dont know anything else then so how could you not be biased
@@imitationcrabmeat6999 We all have biases. I assume you're an american which, is a country that has the death penalty therefore, you don't know anything else either. It still doesn't change the fact that I'm against the dealth penalty.
Jubilee: (Releases a video pertaining to ethics)
Me: (Waiting patiently for juicy debates)
My dude i see you everywhere
How do you do it?
8:48 they say it was not in his right mind, but nobody that purposefully kills someone is in their right mind so it doesn’t matter
Zincx are you saying that anyone that’s ever killed someone has a mental disorder?
There’s a difference tho if something is being driven away from a rightful mind like a disorder, or abuse, something that’s biologically turning them insane, they can’t make rational decisions,
Michelle R but tbf it’s never racional when humans lose it. Ence why it’s called passional. Is someone who commits a crime in a rare state of fury more dangerous to society than someone who _has_ a dangerous disorder?
Blvck Barb never said that, and I meant if someone purposefully kills someone isn’t in their right mind
@@ItsZiincx That simply is not true. There are countless cases of people very much "in their right mind" committing murder. Examples:
- Women killing their abusive husband in a pre-meditated way.
- Retribution killing of someone who recently murdered their family member.
- Killing a monarch/president in order to inherit power.
All of those can be done calmly and deliberately, and people often say years later they wouldn't change what they did.
Compare that to someone who is having a psychotic episode and honestly thinks that aliens are trying to destroy the Earth and they are "saving" us by killing the "alien".
Obviously there is a huge difference between someone being in their right mind and not.
I hope to god these people are never on an actual jury
Did Whisper Sixx get pepper sprayed or something?
Arianna : hahaha
He's a drag queen.
@@eldradulthran6482 It's never lupus.
@@jibby4906 I see what you did there
Jibby House liked that
jubilee always giving us really controversial content in the most respectful way and we love to see it.
I don’t like how they say “ oh the death penalty is more humane” or “the death penalty is much quicker and easier”. The death penalty costs more than a life sentence. Also it’s not that much quicker there are people that have been on death row for over 40 years. This is so unrealistic because they were all about the emotions and not the facts but they didn’t even have the facts. I think this series could be really cool the just have to improve it a lot.
This is exactly why the video bothers people because of people with the same mindset as you , half of the time death penalty takes place within a year and it is for humane , when we talk about a life sentence it means this person will never return to normal society , meaning that all he will obtain from prison is abuse harassment etc.
I personally dont know what to choose but if i was looking for the “humane” option 100% death penalty is it.
PLEASE, and I mean PLEASE do more of the verdict. I tried looking for other videos from you guys and only found ONE other😭
This is such a great idea and allows for the difference in opinions to be questioned and really show the relationship between emotions and opinions.
I’m glad Jubilee brought this series back. I’ve been waiting so long for this. I love how it makes the audience think.
5:45 (it got dark within seconds)
Lam: lmao share ur story
Melody: my mom died in from of me
front you mean
Nobody:
Thirsty people: WhO hAs BeEn A fAn BeFoRe 2020?!?!?!?!
OK sure
it's only been 16 days
It's ironic because everyone uses the same format you just did but you really thought you said something 💀
Okay but like why is no one talkin about jack
So we're not gonna talk 'bout the guy named "whisper sixx" alright
He thinks it's cute lol.
Guys This Is A F+&*$# Human Stop Gossiping About Him!
When they say rehabilitation do they know the person will still be in prison they're whole life and will never become a normal citizens
riqcool Fluel life sentence is technically 20 years in the UK
Jordan Onofiol that is the minimum, like the US, there is a minimum in the UK too. Here, it’s 25, but I assure you, that it is 25-life for life sentence punishment and probably 20-life in the UK. Not that the highest you can get up to is 20.
@@theapotheosisTA I think it might change based on state but yeah
@@jordanonofiol324 in whole europe there is no real life sentence, in some countries life sentence doesn't even exist.
I don’t really feel like the death penalty side ever justified why they felt that the defendant should be executed after it was revealed he was schizophrenic.
If he murdered someone you knew just because it happened that that person was seen by that guy, would you still be like: "Well whatever just let him free it's not his fault" ?
Suciu Cosmin Alexandru giving them life sentence does not equal ‘letting them free’ lol
I have one question. Is This It
Some actions are so inhumane that once a person commits them they forfeit their right to life. It doesn't matter if he had a mental illness or not, he killed two innocent people for no reason and if he was kept alive in the prison system he would only be a life long threat to other prisoners.
@@whisper7393 no he wouldn't go free, he'd be imprisoned.
I got physically sick after seeing the real verdict. That whole situation is so sad. I lost hope even though they all agreed with life at the end.
I wanna see a 12 angry men!! Go through the whole case process, now that would be so interesting
This isn't accurate at all, I feel like they need for information for this as most of the episode is saying they need more information
I mean this is usually what jurors get in information, this and witnessing statements from witnesses and the defendant and person on trial in the court
Most people care about feelings more than facts and that’s a problem
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they're always gonna be intertwined. If there were no feelings we wouldn't care someone got shot in the first place.
@@AC-ri2ph We would. Without order there's chaos and a society cannot function if there is chaos. Feelings allow us to view things in a more nuanced way, but the decision still needs to be logic based.
Iliyan Georgiev which is was. but there were also feelings. yes, we’ve established this
@@AC-ri2ph No we haven't. You inserting your opinion does not establish anything.
i hate the fact that whenever its someone suffering from schizophrenia they tend to take it as a normal case...like those people are also sick...
I don’t believe in execution. I’d rather have them suffer their rest of their life in jail.
It cost allot to maintain those facility's and feed convicted murders along with all the other less dangerous offenders, and prisons here in America are very well known for their repeat offense rate (due to quite a few different factors) it's much simpler and cheaper just to remove murderers from the population, we should just do it how China does not that I particular agree with most of the shady stuff their country does but they do simple and cheap bullet point blank to the back of the head humane, quick and cheap can even reuse the bullet casing if you so desire we have to many people and to few resources to bother with feeding murderers
@@morrisonpez6830 we shouldn't slaughter people just because keeping them alive is expensive
Gavin Guzman It is actually more expensive for the state to execute someone than it does to keep someone in prison the rest of their life. This is because of the many levels of expensive litigation and review that has to be done before carrying out a death sentence.
@@declanjones1751 I see no logical reason to waste resources on convicted murders when those same resources could be better used else where
@@kevmcdaniel4455 never heard that one before, explain?
I’m honestly surprised how many people were so pro death penalty in the comments. I mean, I’m a bit mixed myself, like I’m in kind of a grey area, but with this case I genuinely would have said life sentence. It’s like what melody was saying about her mother being murdered, finding who the killers were had nothing to do with any sort of closure, she was able to move on and find that closure without those people getting killed in return, hell, they weren’t even caught. Is it still fucked up? Yes. But can people find that closure without wanting them dead as this sort of vengeance? Yes, that’s why a jury makes the decision and not that family bc they’re very emotional and can’t look at it in a remotely objective stance (which is already hard to do in the first place bc you’re choosing that fate of someone’s life).
I would also like to make a point about the schizophrenia thing. When they were saying “but not in the right mindset “ yes, it’s obvious that no matter what no one is in their right mind when killing someone. But I think what they mean is prior to the murders. Was he already having a schizophrenic episode? Was he able to control/try to suppress himself? How bad was the episode if he was having one? I’m not saying that mental illness is an automatic pass for murder (I had a friend who was schizophrenic and he was lovely. But again he took medication and was very good at trying to suppress hallucinations by trying to ignore them), not everyone can do that. Mental illnesses are a very tricky thing and unless you have the condition or studied it for years you’ll never really understand their mindset at the time of or prior to it. It could’ve been voices in his head telling him to, making him overly paranoid and out of his ‘right mind’. Or it could’ve not. We’ll never know. But the reason some eventually converted is because they liked the sound of “if there is a *chance* for rehabilitation” the fact that there might be a way to get him the resources he needs to be more well rounded, although he’s likely have to be put under surveillance 24/7.
Idk, that’s my personal opinion, you can think whatever you want I’m personally kinda gray on the area myself. I just wanted to give reasonings as to why the life sentence may seem fairly reasonable to others, as someone who’s met plenty of people struggling with mental health issues. Have a nice day :)
I honestly never understood that anyone would want to take another life to get justice, like two people died, and you wanna make it three? Like i really don’t get it
Someone being a criminal doesn’t make their life less worthy than anyone else’s, idk death penalty is just so 1800ish to me
prob cuz hes black 🥺🥺 sad time BLM 202
I 100% agree with you
@@linamalki9796 if you take a life, you should be open for yours to be taken,
we need more of this series 😩
Its so weird watching this in a country without the death penalty
@Maja Jacek let's take a extreme solution like Paris' tragedy. You are saying you are as bad as someone who murdered tons of people because you killed them. That's like saying Oh your bad for putting that person who kidnapped that person in jail because you are kidnapping them.
@Miguel Hernandez Money should never play a role in a case. In what world do you live in where costs decide over a person´s live?
@Miguel Hernandez In what area do you live in where money decides over a person´s life?
I don’t believe in the death penalty. Whether someone has an “excuse” or not. I just think that’s taking the easy way out. So, I don’t think this particular thought experience would work on me. I think it would be a more interesting concept to present the facts as they would have in the trial and then choose whether you would convict them or deem them innocent.
Marianne death is not an easy way out. Or else one will have that same reason for “murder”
Nope
Salsa Bila do you not think they would be able to get out of that as well? You do realize that people aren’t sentenced to death immediately, right? It takes years.
Too many like minded people. Real juries take way longer to come to a conclusion. Yeah there were people for death penalty but they switched real quick
Idk if you heard but some just wanted to go home
Elî FIFO and that is a real problem with the real juries
Just when I thought Jubilee couldn’t get any better. This is excellent.
I'm not trying to be that person, but it's crazy how little people know about mental health. The idea of sentencing someone with schizophrenia to death or life in prison is so wrong. I worked with someone who had it, he was so lovely and friendly when he was baseline, but when he was off baseline it was scary, but he literally couldn't help it. He would always apologized after, and it was so sad that he just didn't have control over himself at times. Death or punishment are should absolutely not be an option. Rehabilitation and care is what is needed.
Nobody is killing him for his schizophrenia, it's the combination of that and his violent actions. I wouldn't want a loose cannon like that walk free in my ciuntry. And how can I pity this man when he knows himself how dangerous he is yet owns a gun?
@@amarmesic7170 I understand that people feel afraid but killing someone for possible further crimes shouldn't be an option. if given the right help and medication, many people with schizophrenia can be rehabilitated. Furthermore, once released, they live in supported housing, which means they have a case worker on site. It is up to us as a society to ensure this. If a state or country cannot ensure this then that is something that should be pursued. I'm strongly opposed to the death penalty anyway (I use to be pro), but killing someone with a mental health condition is a mark of lack of understanding and failure of a society. And, yes your right, how does someone like this get there hands on a gun? That is the bigger question that should be addressed, and it does not get solved by killing someone with schizophrenia.
3:36 Melody is right tho, the facilities for convicts awaiting the death penalty are so much nicer than prisons, and you could live the rest of your life at that prison much more comfortably than the standard state prison
the last time I was this early ROSS and Rachel were still on a break
Regina Phalange so... never? hehe
@@IzzyParadis THEY WERE ON A BREAK
You guys are never gonna let that go lmao
giving them a chance to be a normal human isn’t an argument for life sentence because they will always be in jail🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@broall1442 No it can vary it’s not just 25 years, plus there are life sentence where their literally sentence to life
Quote of the day:
- "Yes it suck that a family lost a family"
😂😂How is that possible
Family member
I think this shows how a majority can sway people regardless of when an individual thinks themselves.
As a woman who struggles with anxiety and depression, I believe you should be held responsible for your actions. A person committing murder should be held, this person had multiple opportunities to get help but chose not to. Mental illness is NOT an excuse to get away with crime. You commit the crime, you do the time.
@Salsa Bila I'm not a boomer, I'm a millennial 😂
@Salsa Bila I never said anything about the person being released, I was saying a person with mental illness should be held accountable and not just run as an excuse, "Oh he/she was mentally insane, let's just put them in an mental hospital." If you actually look at the different crimes, most criminals with mental illness try to plead as they were mentally insane and had no idea what they were doing to try to avoid a lighter sentence and just sent to a mental hospital and then probation.
Murder is still murder, even if it's state-sanctioned
You know you're early when everybody is talking about "being early" and the "whos been watching since 1999" comments aren't there yet.
s h a m s a their coming. I can feel it.