The more i was exposed to consonance, a pure and clean melody, the more dissonant it became because i became bored of it, over familiar. I also noticed that the more dissonance i heard and i was exposed to, the more consonant it became, my ears began to hear more about it. As i stepped back objectively and looked at them simultaneously, i started to realise that consonance and dissonance were one and the same, as an illusion. Amen :)
@etherealstill I think you may have missed my point. As I remember, someone was describing Pat Martino as an old guy. Frankly, to an eighteen year old he is an old guy as am I but as you quite rightly say he is a master and when we deal with mastery of an instrument, age generally is irrelevant. That said, there is a tendency to denigrate age in our society, largely by people who are far too young to have developed much wisdom. I saw Tal play not long before he died and it was wonderful
There's logically no such thing as a "self taught artist," unless you can find one who's been living in a vacuum with absolutely no sources of information, and has literally invented each technique that he uses. Every artist has learned his techniques from SOME other source, whether it be a formal school, or having read about it on the internet or a book. Judging by that which I often hear about the present art schools, I wonder whether an inquisitive artist may actually pick up a bit MORE from reading and the internet, than having graduated from such a school. It is my opinion that much of what an artist considers "skill" is actually a collection of learned facts, which can be gained in a purely academic fashion--by reading it, for example, or viewing samples of particular effects. It is only the pushing the pick around the strings that requires the skill, in the form of physical dexterity. That sort of thing needs to be learned through practice, but the academic portion of what to do, and what to avoid, can be learned simpy by reading it, and memorizing it. Many artists are "self-taught" in such a manner, but I don't believe it is always a good idea for one to publicize it. No artist should ever let the browsing and buying public in on the "secret" of how easily learned this concept of "art" really is.
A thought about the non existence of a completely self taught artist: have you heard Hermeto Paschoal? Of course he's an exception, but he's the closest to purely self taught I can think of. He grew up in a farm in an isolated village in Brazil's countryside. As a kid he was the only among his brothers who couldn't help in the farm because he was albino and couldn't be under the sun. So basically he would noodle around with a harmonica they had inside the house. When he was about 7 he started going to a nearby lake and crafting flutes made of bamboo on his own, so he could play along with the sounds from the birds and frogs. He only formally learned theory when he was 40(if I'm not mistaken, around the same time he met Miles). Seems pretty self taught.
Oh I meant accordian, not harmonica :) I had forgotten he had learned some stuff from his dad. I'm not sure if that was before or after he started making his little flutes to play with birds and frogs, but having a 7 year old making flutes on his own to play along with animals is still pretty impressive, I don't think I've heard of another artist with such thing that early. As much as he was not 100% self taught due to his dad, I don't know of any other who learned so much on his own, because his dad only taught him enough to play in some parties. Going from that to be admired by Miles Davis isn't exactly simple haha
This is semantics. The way I see it the reverse is true. Even if you have lessons you still have to teach yourself to some extent to really progress. But for me being self-taught doesn't mean living in a vacuum, void of influences.
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Many thanks for this interview with Pat .. Awesome !!
Great stuff, Pat is not only a great musician but a great thinker
Such an organic, unpretentious approach to the guitar...VERY useful info here!
The more i was exposed to consonance, a pure and clean melody,
the more dissonant it became because i became bored of it,
over familiar.
I also noticed that the more dissonance i heard and
i was exposed to, the more consonant it became,
my ears began to hear more about it.
As i stepped back objectively and looked at them simultaneously,
i started to realise that consonance and dissonance
were one and the same, as an illusion.
Amen :)
this guy sound realy clever and has a great understanding of realy, full music
"it amplifies my curiosity" Genius!
@etherealstill I think you may have missed my point. As I remember, someone was describing Pat Martino as an old guy. Frankly, to an eighteen year old he is an old guy as am I but as you quite rightly say he is a master and when we deal with mastery of an instrument, age generally is irrelevant. That said, there is a tendency to denigrate age in our society, largely by people who are far too young to have developed much wisdom. I saw Tal play not long before he died and it was wonderful
Merci pour ta musique Pat! Quel beau jazz!
Pat is amazing!
Wow. Magic! This guy is great! A philosopher/muso!
Pat Martino is superb!
Fantastic!!!
woww... justin isnt there weird!!
I don't understand every thing but it seems to be interesting!
@freemandreamer sure!! Bireli told about him he is impressed by him
HA!!! Great comment!!!
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A-MEN brother!
He's so brilliant....i need a shower now.
He is relearned to play guitar all over again after his brain surgery... But I want to know that how he learned it within a very short time...
he kinda looks like hank marvin
There's logically no such thing as a "self taught artist," unless you can find one who's been living in a vacuum with absolutely no sources of information, and has literally invented each technique that he uses.
Every artist has learned his techniques from SOME other source, whether it be a formal school, or having read about it on the internet or a book.
Judging by that which I often hear about the present art schools, I wonder whether an inquisitive artist may actually pick up a bit MORE from reading and the internet, than having graduated from such a school.
It is my opinion that much of what an artist considers "skill" is actually a collection of learned facts, which can be gained in a purely academic fashion--by reading it, for example, or viewing samples of particular effects. It is only the pushing the pick around the strings that requires the skill, in the form of physical dexterity. That sort of thing needs to be learned through practice, but the academic portion of what to do, and what to avoid, can be learned simpy by reading it, and memorizing it.
Many artists are "self-taught" in such a manner, but I don't believe it is always a good idea for one to publicize it. No artist should ever let the browsing and buying public in on the "secret" of how easily learned this concept of "art" really is.
A thought about the non existence of a completely self taught artist: have you heard Hermeto Paschoal? Of course he's an exception, but he's the closest to purely self taught I can think of. He grew up in a farm in an isolated village in Brazil's countryside. As a kid he was the only among his brothers who couldn't help in the farm because he was albino and couldn't be under the sun. So basically he would noodle around with a harmonica they had inside the house. When he was about 7 he started going to a nearby lake and crafting flutes made of bamboo on his own, so he could play along with the sounds from the birds and frogs. He only formally learned theory when he was 40(if I'm not mistaken, around the same time he met Miles). Seems pretty self taught.
His wikipedia says his father taught him accordian. Therefore, music didn't magically appear in his brain from nothing.
Oh I meant accordian, not harmonica :) I had forgotten he had learned some stuff from his dad. I'm not sure if that was before or after he started making his little flutes to play with birds and frogs, but having a 7 year old making flutes on his own to play along with animals is still pretty impressive, I don't think I've heard of another artist with such thing that early. As much as he was not 100% self taught due to his dad, I don't know of any other who learned so much on his own, because his dad only taught him enough to play in some parties. Going from that to be admired by Miles Davis isn't exactly simple haha
This is semantics. The way I see it the reverse is true. Even if you have lessons you still have to teach yourself to some extent to really progress. But for me being self-taught doesn't mean living in a vacuum, void of influences.