lets talk about facts. traditionally APDS has higher % of calibre of the main cannon, lets take for example 105mm M392 APDS projectile, it is 58mm in caliber so lets round it to 60%. and APFSDS has generally LOWER % of caliber compared to main cannon bore, for example 120mm M829A2 projectile is 21mm in caliber, which is closer to 20% of 120... (edit: real value 17.5%, so even lower, so im actually giving an advantage to the apfsds here) so lets use these values to 30mm APDS and 75mm APFSDS. 30*60% = 18mm 75*20% = 15mm Of course real ,% of bore values would be different as this is just a guesstimation, but it clearly shows it is a bigger projectile, even in an estimation. So yeah, it does make sense it makes more spalling
@mich421 Same as the BMD, it's not even close to being garbage, it's still the most blatantly OP vehicle in game, it fights Leopard 1s ffs. The HSTV-L/RDFL-LT are worse and they fight 2A7s
@arucalibrxti3782 30mm rinses nato side armour and has ir tracking that fucks helicopters and planes that dare strafe, plus a 750mm tandem atgm for anything it cant initially penatrate? Yeah that shits busted.
@@koribokki2234 yeah it is but the 57mm rinses side armor aswell and it also has a irst wit proxy rounds that absolutely dick down aircraft. ik the bmd4m is op but i wouldnt say its more op than the 2s38 its just that most people who play the 2s38 have no idea what the fuck theyre doing
You mean to tell me the company that's been caught multiple times on record giving money to Russian separatist groups in Ukraine has a proclivity towards Russian vehicles? Say it ain't so!
@@darugdawg2453 that still doesn't mean it is fair or balanced.. now does it and did you have them now or before? Also he is just saying that there are huge gaps in capabilities
@@yamatokurusaki5790 true, 8.7 makes sense for the ifvs that are 9.0 rn. The VBC PT2 could be lowered to 9.0 at least, although it can really go much lower due to compression
@alexmaximus9134 lol that's pure cope since the Su-34 and Pantsir are far more oppressive than American CAS or SPAA. Su-34 is the most braindead overpowered CAS plane in the game. I see shitterbots with 50% overall win rates who have 5 K/Ds in the Su-34, it's that fucking easy and broken to play.
@@ILikeTuwtles First off, i said CAS, not SPAA. And even so, the pantsir is strong,but the rest are nothing noteworthy. Russian SPAAs below the strela often mainly fight tanks due to them being bad at anti-air, and the shilka is basically a worse gepard in every way. The strela is good against idiots who do not know how to flare and evade, the tunguska used to be fantastic, now it's okay. And with the CAS, bruh, american planes are consistently OP at CAS across all BRs. You pointed out one strong russian CAS plane, but conveniently ignore the fact that the US has very strong CAS options across all BRs and even at top tier. The Su-34 basically does what the american CAS planes could already do.
@ If you think that Mavericks can do what KH-38s do, you’re smoking dicks. Mavericks rarely 1 shot unless you can manage to get directly above the battlefield to attack top down, and have half the effective range. And I disagree that America has any better CAS across BRs than other countries on average. Maybe it’s just that their CAS is consistently good where other nations have bad CAS at certain BRs and downright broken CAS at others (looking at you Yak-9K). The entire American CAS argument might have held true when the F-16 was added, but as it is now Russia has top tier is a stranglehold between CAS and SPAA and only extremely good CAS players can break it.
@ you mean the nation with the biggest military budget, best tech and biggest economy has better jets and better missiles than the country that is losing to Ukraine in a non-nuclear near peer ground war? Yea that makes fucking sense, its not bias its reality. Bias is making russian tanks blatantly more survivable and better than they are irl because your devs are russian sympathizers 🥱 also russia has the best GRB CAS in the game and thats not debatable. Their CAS weapons and platforms outperform every nato nation including the US until 12.0+ with the exception of the F-15E. When in realty they cant even fly air cover right now because they have lost half of their air force. Dog shit tech.
The only thing I can thank this for is the fact I can play my 9.0/9.3 lineups again without worrying about being perma uptiered to the 10.3 premium black hole
1:03 that is fucking bull after the Iranian F-14 got added that thing caused a total nightmare for anyone not playing America with the horrid F-14 spam that came after
Japan being completely forgotten Tho the Type 90 ain't bad There is absolutely no reason for Type 87 and 89 to be at 9.0 One doesn't have stabilization and absolutely zero survivability and the other is slow has also zero survivability and useless missiles and poor turret treverse Also me when playing BMD-4-M :S H E L L S H A T T E R E D on any light tank or slightly angled MBT from side
@yamatokurusaki5790 dogshit take. Rcv87 is honestly one of the strongest lights at 9.0 due to its speed and sheer lethality of its ammo. It can also abuse hill crests and hide in stupid spots. And type89 is lowkey one of the best lights in the game period. Both are fine at 9.0 and I bring them in my 9.7 lineups all the time too.
@dxhunter9170 ... Type 87?? I have the feeling you haven't played it in a long time tbh cuz they are both one of the worst at it's br and that's not take or opinion that's fact Let's also not forget that 9.0-9.7 doesn't really exist cuz of premium spam And +0.3 and you got the BMD4s , VBC(PT2) , CV90s which are better when it comes to even something as simple as gun handling If you go lower they get outclassed by BMP-2 and the mentioned Bradly
@@yamatokurusaki5790 I have a feeling like you dont know how to make it work, its stupidly effective. And no, 9.0-9.7 is very much a br that gets to play. You are faster than every vehicle mentioned, you are smaller than them, and you actually have faster times to kill than almost anything you meet. You just have to be slightly careful to make it work
@dxhunter9170 everything you just said is wrong And how do i prove you wrong? Just watch the video you are commenting on :) It's rare to have 9.0-9.7 game
Rarely die to this thing. To me this thing is like the 2s38, food. Yeah it looks great on paper but most people playing this game aren't amazing and people who buy into higher brs won't know how to play those brs either. Yeah it's strong and should have been a TT vehicle. I barely notice any difference at 9.3 with these running around.
If the bmp3 was a premium people would say it'd be OP What makes this BMD here a problem is that it's an easily accessible good tank Not necessarily the tank itself.
Every russian vehicles look op but no one say they get blown up in the first place I bought T80UD after watching sako no matter what iam blown up like fire cracker
Your videos are being formatted differently than they used to and it's kinda screwing with the TH-cam window. The aspect appears as if it's widescreen (as usual of course) BUT it's being pressed at the same time, like if it were an old school movie being presented in widescreen on a SD screen with black bars at top and bottom.
@@SAKOSNIPER But this is relatively recent for you right? Your uploads looked the same until a handful ago. I'm just wondering if it should still look as they did or not. Do you get what I'm saying?
Them doing this has brought up serious questions about the value of market place vehicles. If they can just add a premium version of any event vehicles it negates the value of them. I kind of if regret buyng the bmd for $40 now that there is a newer version with a higher credit modifier.
For Real. Imagine grinding their events only for years later a BETTER version of the event vehicle is added as a premium, they simply don't care about their players, only our money and they still get away with it.
As long as players are being greedy and give these event vehicles absurd prices on the market place, I support any kind of tech tree or premium variant of those market place vehicles, just so I can see those sellers in tears and unable to sell their stuff. With BMD-4M existing, there's really no reason to buy the event BMD-4 anymore and I hope this trend continues. We complain about Gaijin being greedy, yet we give event vehicles absurd prices to milk other players. If the devs don't have care, then the players should, but we simply want profit and we don't care about the player base.
@@Whaley96 I have most of the event vehicles (well not the BMD-4), I don't need more, and I don't even want the BMD-4. My BMP-3 does everything for me (except for the IRST for anti air) and I probably won't bother with the premium BMD considering I haven't got a single vehicle to unlock in the Russian tech tree, I'd rather get one for another nation that I'm grinding. My problem is with the players who try to sell vehicles for absurd prices so they can profit off of other players. These prices shouldn't exist. It's players fucking over other players. Gaijin will continue to add premiums to the game whether you like it or not, they have to make money in a way after all to keep the game alive, but I openly welcome the premium BMD-4 just so that MAYBE people change their minds and sell event vehicles for a more reasonable price. Before the release of the last update, BMD-4's price exceeded 190 USD...
The RDF LT is better in pretty much every way. Honestly, I’m gonna unsubscribe… because the Russian hate is real. I have played both, guess what? The RDF is better, you don’t get crippled the only 4 long range shots.
"broken" - shows footage of blind american players driving in the open and never seeing the thing that kills them. I mean 60 inches 1080p TV at 3 meters is not a good gaming setup.
Certified Sako take: If russian -> broken. But the USA ifv, which is perfectly capable of 1hking mbts from the front is dogshit and completely unusable
4:54 that 30mm APDS has more spall than 75mm from the HSTV-L xD
That is like some Nato 120mm spall wtf.
@@KokotoHero-N3 bongs forever in shambles
lets talk about facts.
traditionally APDS has higher % of calibre of the main cannon, lets take for example 105mm M392 APDS projectile, it is 58mm in caliber so lets round it to 60%.
and APFSDS has generally LOWER % of caliber compared to main cannon bore, for example 120mm M829A2 projectile is 21mm in caliber, which is closer to 20% of 120... (edit: real value 17.5%, so even lower, so im actually giving an advantage to the apfsds here)
so lets use these values to 30mm APDS and 75mm APFSDS.
30*60% = 18mm
75*20% = 15mm
Of course real ,% of bore values would be different as this is just a guesstimation, but it clearly shows it is a bigger projectile, even in an estimation.
So yeah, it does make sense it makes more spalling
"The Most Blatantly OP Premium"
Laughs in 2S38
No 2s38 has become a bit of garbage after the mod update just 1 hit and you're out you can get some kills but it's just a shadow of what it once was
@mich421 Same as the BMD, it's not even close to being garbage, it's still the most blatantly OP vehicle in game, it fights Leopard 1s ffs. The HSTV-L/RDFL-LT are worse and they fight 2A7s
Should definitely be a 9.7 or 10.0 this thing is cracked.
Nah, its fine on 9.3
Should be 10.3 tbh this thing is better than the 2s38 and even that thing is cancerous
hows it better than the 2s38
@arucalibrxti3782 30mm rinses nato side armour and has ir tracking that fucks helicopters and planes that dare strafe, plus a 750mm tandem atgm for anything it cant initially penatrate? Yeah that shits busted.
@@koribokki2234 yeah it is but the 57mm rinses side armor aswell and it also has a irst wit proxy rounds that absolutely dick down aircraft. ik the bmd4m is op but i wouldnt say its more op than the 2s38 its just that most people who play the 2s38 have no idea what the fuck theyre doing
Is it even conspiracy anymore to say that Gaijin has a favorite child?
You mean to tell me the company that's been caught multiple times on record giving money to Russian separatist groups in Ukraine has a proclivity towards Russian vehicles? Say it ain't so!
@@9000tommygunwtf is that real? Based if true 🗿
haha its so fun being russian in war thunder lol, we get all the good stuff.
@@9000tommygun do you have any proof or you just as gullible as any tiktik user?
@@9000tommygunsource?
BMD-4M at 9.3: IRST, 82mm pen APDS, ATGMs, HE grenades, third gen thermals, tiny
VBC PT2 at 9.3: 92mm pen APFSDS, first gen thermals, massive
Meanwhile Japan
Its french ofc gaijin fucks it
bro i had nukes recently with pt2
@@darugdawg2453 that still doesn't mean it is fair or balanced.. now does it and did you have them now or before?
Also he is just saying that there are huge gaps in capabilities
@@yamatokurusaki5790 true, 8.7 makes sense for the ifvs that are 9.0 rn. The VBC PT2 could be lowered to 9.0 at least, although it can really go much lower due to compression
wow if this is 9.3 then the CV 9030 should be 6.7
Russia and undertiered light tanks. Name a more iconic duo.
America and overpowered CAS.
@alexmaximus9134 lol that's pure cope since the Su-34 and Pantsir are far more oppressive than American CAS or SPAA. Su-34 is the most braindead overpowered CAS plane in the game. I see shitterbots with 50% overall win rates who have 5 K/Ds in the Su-34, it's that fucking easy and broken to play.
@@ILikeTuwtles First off, i said CAS, not SPAA. And even so, the pantsir is strong,but the rest are nothing noteworthy. Russian SPAAs below the strela often mainly fight tanks due to them being bad at anti-air, and the shilka is basically a worse gepard in every way. The strela is good against idiots who do not know how to flare and evade, the tunguska used to be fantastic, now it's okay.
And with the CAS, bruh, american planes are consistently OP at CAS across all BRs. You pointed out one strong russian CAS plane, but conveniently ignore the fact that the US has very strong CAS options across all BRs and even at top tier. The Su-34 basically does what the american CAS planes could already do.
@ If you think that Mavericks can do what KH-38s do, you’re smoking dicks. Mavericks rarely 1 shot unless you can manage to get directly above the battlefield to attack top down, and have half the effective range. And I disagree that America has any better CAS across BRs than other countries on average. Maybe it’s just that their CAS is consistently good where other nations have bad CAS at certain BRs and downright broken CAS at others (looking at you Yak-9K). The entire American CAS argument might have held true when the F-16 was added, but as it is now Russia has top tier is a stranglehold between CAS and SPAA and only extremely good CAS players can break it.
The funniest part is the Chinese counterpart that has basically the same stats, armaments and slower movement speed is 9.7. Premium bias
And people will still say there is no russian bias
go play air battles and come back and tell me how much bias is there
@ you mean the nation with the biggest military budget, best tech and biggest economy has better jets and better missiles than the country that is losing to Ukraine in a non-nuclear near peer ground war? Yea that makes fucking sense, its not bias its reality. Bias is making russian tanks blatantly more survivable and better than they are irl because your devs are russian sympathizers 🥱 also russia has the best GRB CAS in the game and thats not debatable. Their CAS weapons and platforms outperform every nato nation including the US until 12.0+ with the exception of the F-15E. When in realty they cant even fly air cover right now because they have lost half of their air force. Dog shit tech.
Yet. Gaijin will never stop, specially when it comes to RU premiums.
It's the Russian inferiority complex.
Gaijin adding premium vehicles: 😊😊😊
Gaijin adding tech tree vehicles: 🤬🤬🤬
adding trash us premium tank 👍
@@darugdawg2453 they only fixed the hstvl after adding the rdflt
Adding no French premium wanted vehicles 👍
The only thing I can thank this for is the fact I can play my 9.0/9.3 lineups again without worrying about being perma uptiered to the 10.3 premium black hole
1:03 that is fucking bull after the Iranian F-14 got added that thing caused a total nightmare for anyone not playing America with the horrid F-14 spam that came after
shhhhh it hurts their feelings to realize that they might in fact be the favorite child.
Japan being completely forgotten
Tho the Type 90 ain't bad
There is absolutely no reason for Type 87 and 89 to be at 9.0
One doesn't have stabilization and absolutely zero survivability and the other is slow has also zero survivability and useless missiles and poor turret treverse
Also me when playing BMD-4-M :S H E L L S H A T T E R E D on any light tank or slightly angled MBT from side
@yamatokurusaki5790 dogshit take.
Rcv87 is honestly one of the strongest lights at 9.0 due to its speed and sheer lethality of its ammo. It can also abuse hill crests and hide in stupid spots.
And type89 is lowkey one of the best lights in the game period.
Both are fine at 9.0 and I bring them in my 9.7 lineups all the time too.
@dxhunter9170 ... Type 87?? I have the feeling you haven't played it in a long time tbh cuz they are both one of the worst at it's br and that's not take or opinion that's fact
Let's also not forget that 9.0-9.7 doesn't really exist cuz of premium spam
And +0.3 and you got the BMD4s , VBC(PT2) , CV90s which are better when it comes to even something as simple as gun handling
If you go lower they get outclassed by BMP-2 and the mentioned Bradly
@@dxhunter9170 also you then have to disagree with Sako
@@yamatokurusaki5790 I have a feeling like you dont know how to make it work, its stupidly effective. And no, 9.0-9.7 is very much a br that gets to play. You are faster than every vehicle mentioned, you are smaller than them, and you actually have faster times to kill than almost anything you meet. You just have to be slightly careful to make it work
@dxhunter9170 everything you just said is wrong
And how do i prove you wrong? Just watch the video you are commenting on :)
It's rare to have 9.0-9.7 game
Give it dart rounds and put it to 10.0 or 10.3.
It could theoretically get it, there is a 3UBR11 round, which supposedly can be fired from 2A72. Although I don't know if it entered service or not.
Sako forgot that it works as spaa do against low flying helicopter.
Fuck it, guessing I’m maining russia now
Me looking at all the new additions and then watching as Israel doesn't get a good top br AA for the tenth update in a row.
Rarely die to this thing. To me this thing is like the 2s38, food. Yeah it looks great on paper but most people playing this game aren't amazing and people who buy into higher brs won't know how to play those brs either. Yeah it's strong and should have been a TT vehicle. I barely notice any difference at 9.3 with these running around.
The worst (best) thing is that the atgm is smokeless
If the bmp3 was a premium people would say it'd be OP
What makes this BMD here a problem is that it's an easily accessible good tank
Not necessarily the tank itself.
There is no Russian bias in Ba Sing Se
This thing should ve been in the normal tt....
The 2S38 I would recommend over this. Don’t get me wrong it’s a great vehicle, but 2S38 is op!
Thx for putting Aleksandar Vucic i thumbnail!
Every russian vehicles look op but no one say they get blown up in the first place
I bought T80UD after watching sako no matter what iam blown up like fire cracker
Well buying into top tier doesn't buy game sense or map knowledge so.....
When will we get good American vehicles for an update
We did with F15E, now we have to wait.
Its not as bad as the 2s38 i absolutely hate that thing it needs to be 11.0
Your videos are being formatted differently than they used to and it's kinda screwing with the TH-cam window. The aspect appears as if it's widescreen (as usual of course) BUT it's being pressed at the same time, like if it were an old school movie being presented in widescreen on a SD screen with black bars at top and bottom.
They're filmed and rendered in ultrawide 21:9 (3440x1440)
@@SAKOSNIPER But this is relatively recent for you right? Your uploads looked the same until a handful ago. I'm just wondering if it should still look as they did or not. Do you get what I'm saying?
@johnroscoe2406 yeah, they're now wider than the 16:9 videos, TH-cam probably pinches them down to fit onto regular screens
Them doing this has brought up serious questions about the value of market place vehicles. If they can just add a premium version of any event vehicles it negates the value of them. I kind of if regret buyng the bmd for $40 now that there is a newer version with a higher credit modifier.
For Real. Imagine grinding their events only for years later a BETTER version of the event vehicle is added as a premium, they simply don't care about their players, only our money and they still get away with it.
As long as players are being greedy and give these event vehicles absurd prices on the market place, I support any kind of tech tree or premium variant of those market place vehicles, just so I can see those sellers in tears and unable to sell their stuff. With BMD-4M existing, there's really no reason to buy the event BMD-4 anymore and I hope this trend continues.
We complain about Gaijin being greedy, yet we give event vehicles absurd prices to milk other players. If the devs don't have care, then the players should, but we simply want profit and we don't care about the player base.
Skill issue
@@m.p7179 so screw over the rest of the player base so you can have a few rare vehicles? I want a 279 but not like that
@@Whaley96 I have most of the event vehicles (well not the BMD-4), I don't need more, and I don't even want the BMD-4. My BMP-3 does everything for me (except for the IRST for anti air) and I probably won't bother with the premium BMD considering I haven't got a single vehicle to unlock in the Russian tech tree, I'd rather get one for another nation that I'm grinding.
My problem is with the players who try to sell vehicles for absurd prices so they can profit off of other players. These prices shouldn't exist. It's players fucking over other players.
Gaijin will continue to add premiums to the game whether you like it or not, they have to make money in a way after all to keep the game alive, but I openly welcome the premium BMD-4 just so that MAYBE people change their minds and sell event vehicles for a more reasonable price. Before the release of the last update, BMD-4's price exceeded 190 USD...
Nyet tovarishch, its just stalinium.
bussian rias
”The french don’t have shit” why crying about Christian II beeing shit, not top tier and more expensive than 2a4
The RDF LT is better in pretty much every way.
Honestly, I’m gonna unsubscribe… because the Russian hate is real.
I have played both, guess what? The RDF is better, you don’t get crippled the only 4 long range shots.
"broken" - shows footage of blind american players driving in the open and never seeing the thing that kills them. I mean 60 inches 1080p TV at 3 meters is not a good gaming setup.
dude ur so right about the US being fucked
If only just US
The US is fine?
rUssiAn BiAs - said someone out of touch lol
Machine gun it nerd, hello? This sounds like a skill issue.
its not op, just cry about it lol american mains are just bad at the game and they always cry
hey :D
The last youtuber to try to keep milking the "russian bias" myth, kinda sad to see lmao
Certified Sako take: If russian -> broken. But the USA ifv, which is perfectly capable of 1hking mbts from the front is dogshit and completely unusable
what ifv lol
all russian premiums down to 8.0 obj 120 can 1 tap SEP V2
Dont worry bro im with u
@DaSteeJ07 And?
The m44 can 1hk any tank in the game from the front too.
@ we r obviously talking about top tier… the final reward of this games grind?
Damn bro really fell off
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