@@cellmate1 -um no....INCORRECT. The team that came from Cleveland was in cap hell...so much so that the team couldn't even afford a taxi squad. AND the team was horrible the first 3 years in Baltimore..we had to get rid of most of the horrible players before we were even competitive...so, no, sorry...WRONG
Keep in mind the Orioles in 1983 just won the World Series. Jim Palmer's last in his career and had been part of all three titles (1966, 1970, 1983) and the beginning of The Iron Man (Cal Ripken Jr)
Hmmm, play in a dump with empty seats in a city trying to take the team away from you by imminent domain - OR - move to a city with a brand new stadium offering you a 20 year free lease. Gee, I can't imagine why the Colts moved.
Doolin Danger Looking back on it now, Baltimore Deserved to lose the Colts, and why, the City of Baltimore no longer supported the team, and also, the City of Baltimore was Stupid enough not to built a new Stadium for the Colts!!!
I think they should be paying for their own stadiums, fucking billionaires asking for handouts is sickening, hell the taxpayers in st louis are stuck with the bill for their stadium while the rams moved on to siphon tax dollars off of LA.
@@robkrieg8301 How, if the legislation blocks it?! "During the 1974 elections, Pressman had an amendment to the city's charter placed on the fall ballot. Known as Question P, the amendment called for declaring "the 33rd Street stadium as a memorial to war veterans and prohibiting use of city funds for construction of any other stadium." The measure passed 56 percent to 44 percent, and the same political motivations that had been used to upgrade Baltimore Stadium, originally built in 1922, in the late 1940s and rename it Memorial Stadium, effectively destroyed any chance of a new, modern sports complex being built in Baltimore."
@@bluerisk that blocked any chance of the tax payers footing the bill, it has nothing to do with them paying for their own stadium. On top of the fact that Indianapolis had to foot the bill since baltinore wouldnt. Tell me how that refutes anything I said? And Baltimore isn't the only case of this bullshit, why cant all those billionaire pay for their own stadiums?
As a Sonics fan from Seattle, I unfortunately can relate to the pain and betrayal Colts fans felt back in '84. I'm glad Baltimore eventually got a football team back though.
Yeah, but Baltimore benefited from Cleveland's loss. That said, Seattle needs both the NBA and NHL. Seattle is a large populated area that can support 4 pro teams.
Montana Roots You are acting like it's Baltimore fans fucking fault. It's the NFL' fault all of it. They didn't allow Baltimore to have an expansion they were to lazy to make another team so they gave them the browns. There were a lot of Colts fans in Baltimore that felt bad about that. It took the joy out of them in gaining a team back. Don't act like the fans were hypocrites. At least you kept the damn colors and name. Baltimore didn't get that.
I grew up in Maryland but was never a Colts fan. However I remember that night well. IIRC the only reason the Colts were caught trying to sneak out was because of reporter was driving home from work, took a detour and saw the steam from the trucks and the lights on in the building.
Urban Legend, the Colts' video equipment was privately owned. He waited til the last second but Irsay had to notify the owner, a lifelong colts fan, of the move and that he had to get his equipment. THat person immediately notified the press.
It wouldn't really matter too much. The reason the Colts had to move overnight was because they were racing to go before the Maryland congress could vote to stop them from moving.
I'm a Cowboys fan and I have to agree with you. Baltimore should've been able to keep the Colts history and name, given that it had specific geographical implications. Maybe someday, the Colts history and intellectual property will be handed back to the Ravens and the Indianapolis team will change its name. I certainly hope it does.
HotWax93 would be nice however don't think it's going to happen. I heard one time that Robert Irsay wanted to hang Johnny Unitas' jersey from the roof of the Hoosier Dome in Indianapolis.
from Baltimore and agree he had the right to move the team, but as a good human being, a real man HAS to say he’s moving the team and not slink around in the shadows avoiding the city/media/fans…we wouldn’t of liked it but would’ve at least respected the decision…Ravens ended up being awesome so all worked out
I have needed a moving company about ten times since then, but refused to even consider Mayflower. I'm sure they didn't give a crap, but it's a few thousand dollars of my money they didn't get.
@@johnnyroberts3761 How? Cleveland has their name and entire history. They were guaranteed a team a few years later. Baltimore lost everything and had to start all over like they never had a team, and had to wait 12 years without a guarantee for a new team.
True Cleveland got their team history and a new team but to be fair the Browns rarely had been good since they returned. Yes Seattle still haven't has a NBA team since the SuperSonics moved yet but eventually they will.
Being a life-long Denver Broncos fan and native, I would be devastated. Thank goodness for the success of the Ravens. Them Irsays are crazy. Glad Elway didn't want to play for them.
As a Broncos fan myself, I am VERY glad that Irsay was incompetent enough for John Elway to not want to play for him. It was sad Baltimore fans though.
Reading about it now, Baltimore Deserved to Lose the Colts, and why, The City of Baltimore no longer supported the team, and also, Because Baltimore was Stupid enough not build a new stadium for the Colts, no wonder they moved to Indianapolis!!!!
@@adamdorgant9454 Why should cities build sports stadiums for billionaire owners? Especially stadiums that only last 25 or 30 years. Indianapolis built Hoosier Dome in 1984. That stadium is long gone. Irsay ruined the Baltimore Colts franchise. They were one of the worst teams in the NFL from 1978 through 1983. No wonder the fans there stopped going to the games! Baltimore wasn't Detroit. In Detroit, Lions continue to sell out Ford Field despite Lions being one of the worst NFL teams year after year.🙄
@@mrg8581 the city of Baltimore owned the stadium and the colts and orioles paid rent to play there. Explain why they should be obligated to stay in that dump stadium when their land lord refuses to renovate it? Also they weren’t billionaires in the 80s in fact the Hoosier dome cost 77 million to build. NFL teams cost less than that back then.
@@CynicalCharlatan88 If Memorial Stadium was such a dump, then the team owners should never have signed a lease to play there in the first place. And 77 million dollars to build the Hoosier Dome in 1984 would be over 200 million in 2021 dollars. A lot of money to spend on a stadium that the Colts played for only 24 seasons.
@@majorfaulking4427 "I have not any intention of moving the g-d team. If I did, I would tell you about it. Okay?" - Bob Irsay Are you a drunk as well with a goldfish memory?
I recorded this live in 1984............. i hate the dam dvd to vhs burn seems audio is off; will work on a better copy. I have like 1500 VHS to do lol; i have so many memories to go through.
Andrew Schulz I think the Colts move was worse because at least the Chargers didn’t leave the state of California and LA is only 2 hours away from San Diego.
That's insane. The city did not own them, the Irsays did. Pro Football is a business. If McDonalds moves their headquarters to another city, they don't change their name or history. The Dodgers, Lakers, Giants, Cardinals, Rams, etc. etc. etc. didn't leave their names and history behind. - it's ridiculous. ONLY Baltimore has cried about this bullshit. Get over it.
They were threatening to leave over 4 years the city did nothing to make things better. They had to pay the Orioles rent and share their revenue with them and the Orioles didn't have to share nothing with the Colts. I don't blame them for leaving at all the city had time to make things better and they didn't so the Colts left.
There is a good doc on Disney plus about the move. And the colts band getting screwed. But yeah. The colts were cowards for leaving like they did. Especially over night with out giving the town any notice. The Band was lucky to get there uniforms back because they were at the cleaners lol. So they hid them in a cemetery and hid them in a mausoleum. Lol. Later on the Baltimore Ravens were nice enough to allow the band to play for them all these years later. They got new uniforms and everything.
WRONG. Try educating yourself on the details. Irsay bought the Colts from Rosenbloom, and ran the team into the ground. He alienated the fans . He was considered the worst owner in sports. He was going to move the team regardless. He was shopping the team to cities desperate to get into the NFL>Eminent Domain was a last ditch effort to stop the inevitable move.
Blue Skeptic trapping him? Cities shouldn't raise taxes to pay for sports stadiums for billionaires. I'm a die hard sports fan and even I see the economic idiocy there
Charles Shettle ...actually, Irsay was allowed to acquire the Rams in a behind the scenes deal that cut the legs out from under Hugh Culverhouse. Then the NFL allowed Irsay & Rosenbloom to swap franchises. Culverhouse threatened to sue the NFL and was awarded the Tampa franchise to make up for it.
Got another one coming soon related to this one; just have to VHSrip it. It is when the Browns come to Baltimore and It was around 1995; I will post that soon. I also have uploaded the team we had in the CFL at the time "The Baltimore Stallions" winning the Gray Cup here: th-cam.com/video/qw5I3DVszwM/w-d-xo.html With the Baltimore Colts gone and no NFL football team, Baltimore got a CFL football team named the Stallions in 1994. The team played only two years but won the CFL equivalent of the SUPER BOWL in both seasons. Once the Browns were moving to Baltimore; the team was disbanded. The Baltimore Stallions were a Canadian Football League team based in Baltimore, Maryland, in the United States, which played the 1994 and 1995 seasons. Owner: Jim Speros Head coach: Don Matthews Location: Baltimore, MD Founded: 1994 Home field: Memorial Stadium Color: Royal blue, silver, black and white
The Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore in 1995, where they changed their name to the Baltimore Ravens. The Browns returned to Cleveland as an expansion team in 1999.
Baltimore and Cleveland share one thing in common, they both had heartbreaking relocations. But the difference between them is that Baltimore was nice enough to give Cleveland their history and name back, but Baltimore didn't get the same treatment. Indianapolis rarely, if ever, acknowledges their past and it's sad if you ask me. If Peyton Manning was never drafted by the Indianapolis Colts they would have been one of the most irrelevant, unsuccessful franchises in NFL history. The city of Baltimore definitely made the Ravens their own, but deep down I think lots of older fans wish they had just been the Colts the whole time. Johnny Unitas is a football legend and he was the face of that city, arguably that entire state too and he sounded the most disappointed by that whole scandal.
Not quite. We had to sue the League and Baltimore for that. Everything was slated to go. EVERYTHING. While those overbreeding defiling thieves have two trophies built on our blood, sweat & tears, all we have are 20 years--TWENTY YEARS--of agony, shame and disappointment. We will NEVER forgive this. EVER.
It's a completely messed up situation, Cleveland never got any sort of redemption for what happened either. If there is any team in pro sports that deserves a championship, it's the Browns.
If the state had built a new stadium, instead of trying to sieze control of a private citizens property, like they'd promised Baltimore would still have the Colts. I'm sure the Colts would rather just pretend it never happened and that they were in Indiana from inception, where they have top tier facilities, raving fans, and plenty of money. After all, people tend to forget that the team snuck to the border of Maryland in the dead of night, out of fear of being arrested by Maryland State Police, and were escorted by Indiana State Police to their new home in Indianapolis.
And yet eleven and a half years later, they accepted a deal to take someone else's team from them. Who knows how things would be different if the Colts had stayed in Baltimore? Perhaps, if they had left the history of the Colts and the name in Baltimore, there wouldn't be a Ravens franchise there.
I'm a Baltimore fan(from Pennsylvania) but get your facts straight. The move was 20 years in the making. Both the Orioles and Colts were disguised with Memorial Stadium as far back as the 60's. When Baltimore became aware of the complaints they proposed to build a multipurpose dome similar to the Astrodome in Houston, down where the current stadiums are now. However they soon withdrew the plan on the excuse that they didn't have the money and wouldn't replace what they considered a memorial to fallen soldiers (facade of Memorial Stadium) A 1972 study of Memorial Stadium sided with the owners. No skyboxes, obstructed views, poor location, poor plumbing, parking and concessions under control of the Orioles even for Colts games, the 2 p.m. kickoffs, and the horseshoe shaped bowl (took fans sitting on the 50 yard line away from the action) were among issues addressed. Yet Baltimore made little, if any effort, to remodel and upgrade the stadium. Threats of relocation came from both the Colts and Orioles shortly after this with the Colts being sold to Robert Irsay in 1972 and the Orioles to Edward Williams in 1979. Talks between the owners and the city produced little results and never mentioned a new stadium for either team. Even in 1984 the mayor made it known a new stadium wasn't going to be built. Once the Colts left the fear of the Orioles relocating to Washington D.C. (where Williams had his law office) became very real and the need for a new stadium to save the Orioles became a top priority. Even then Annapolis was slow to pass a bill to fund a stadium. It was only the smart thinking of the Colts marching band playing at the State House that the new stadium, now known as Camden Yards, passed. Baltimore treated the owners like crap and paid the price. Not siding with the Colts but holding Baltimore responsible for their actions. They're lucky they have teams today.
So they treated the owners like crap by not having the taxpayers foot the bill on a stadium for a couple billionaires? Why didnt they offer to pay when baltinore said it didnt have the cash? Huh? Seems like they tried to treat the taxpayers like shit not the other way around.
@@robkrieg8301 you missed the part where he said the city did nothing to address complaints over Memorial Stadium. It was a very flawed stadium and obsolete as early as the 60s. As far as Irsay, he's trash. Stolen valor.
@@hellman9655 you must not have read my comment correctly. I never said memorial stadium wasn't a bad stadium nor did I say the city tried to cooperate for a new stadium. I want someone to explain to me why the taxpayers of the city should pay for a billionaires stadium? Look at St. louis still paying off a stadium they got stuck with after the taxpayers got hosed and now they have a big empty useless stadium with years left of payments to go and the team still left. Is it abnormal to ask billionaires to pay their own way?
Indianapolis Colts fan here. I definitely understand the hatred the people of Baltimore feel for Robert Irsay. The guy was a drunk and was a garbage owner who never put a good team on the field here in Indy. When he died his son took over and hired the right people and got out of the way for the most part. I also feel the Colts name should have stayed in Baltimore. But, government officials in Baltimore are partially to blame for the Colts leaving. Memorial Stadium was falling apart for years and the previous Colts owner tried to negotiate with the city. He got sick of dealing with it and traded the Colts for the Rams. I think Irsay did Baltimore dirty with HOW he moved the team but Baltimore could have prevented this from happening and a lot of the comments here don't mention that at all 🤔
A tragedy, sponsored by Toyota. Somehow, that fits. I remember well watching on TV in New England the Mayflower trucks trying to sneak out of the headquarters in the middle of the night. We couldn't believe it, but then we remembered who the owner was.
Well, Baltimore. You First Rejected Irsay's Demand for a New Stadium and then passed a Measure denying that chance, You then tried to Take the Colts Away from Irsay which forced him to make the move to Indianpolis. If You Hadn't Screwed Over Your Own Damn Team and Just Gave Them a New Stadium and Not Threaten to Take That Team Away, I'll Betcha The Colts would still be in Baltimore. But Hey You've Learned and Got the Ravens (Although You Had To Take That Team From Cleveland).
12 years tearing apart a team and fielding one of the league's worst defenses ever. 0-8-1 and 2-14 seasons. Trading away Johnny Unitas, Irsay calling plays from the press box. It was a joke. Do not get me wrong, the Maryland state government also dropped the ball, but Irsay was a crummy owner who shopped around the franchise playing pre-season games in Phoenix and Jacksonville. I lived through it and am well versed on this. The city of Baltimore also takes some blame for the 2pm starts to accommodate local churches in the residential area where Memorial Stadium was located.
As much as i loved the Baltimore Colts. They were playing in an outdated relic of a stadium. The City of Baltimore & The State of Maryland representatives thought Irsay was talking out his rear end. Well that swift kick in the rear was Irsay's midnight exodus. Yes it was sad what he did. But it took that painful lesson to bring Camden Yards to existence .
I don't blame Irsay for leaving Baltimore, they had every chance to keep them in Baltimore and the city did not step up. Memorial stadium was a dump. Things were moving forward in the NFL and teams were getting new stadiums and financial support from cities they resided in.
Thank goodness the Packers stayed in Green Bay instead of moving to Milwaukee...The Packers have too much of a long, rich football history in the city of Green Bay to move anywhere else, having been started by Acme meat packing company employees in the late 1800s as a sandlot football team known as the Acme Packers...I also like that the Packers had invested in renovations, expansions and retrofits to their stadium to make it a year-round attraction for their fanbase. Instead of being owned by one person, the Packers are owned by a collective of shareholders. I worked at the Packers Pro Shop at Lambeau Field in high school, and it's amazing to see all the merchandise with the Packers logo plastered all over them beyond the usual range of hats, T-shirts and jerseys!
They do. They're just called the Indianapolis Colts instead. And at least Baltimore ended up with the Ravens, who have been more successful than the Indy Colts. At the expense of the original Browns of course, but you see my point. This should have been done with an announcement, but can't blame the relocation though. Memorial Stadium was falling apart and the city was cheap and wouldn't dig into their pockets for a new stadium or any serious renovation. Irsay had no choice. Baltimore is lucky they still have the O's for the same reason.
Because the team had been horrible for 5 years and Irsay was constantly threatening to move the team. Also in those days a lot of NFL teams failed to fill their stadiums.
Al Davis leave Oakland move to Los Angeles became Los Angeles Raiders in 1982 followed by Robert irsay leave Baltimore move to Indianapolis became Indianapolis Colts in 1984 and last but not least bill bidwill leave St Louis move to Phoenix became Phoenix Cardinals in 1988 those are the greatest moves the franchise relocation in NFL history of all time the 80s
rockvilleraven Oakland Alameda Coliseum home of Oakland Athletics Memorial Stadium home of Baltimore Orioles and Busch Stadium home of St Louis Cardinals Major League Baseball without NFL teams
Cleveland was guaranteed a franchise by the NFL within a few years with their original colors and history. The city of Baltimore had no such guarantee.
@Montana Roots Cleveland was also able to keep their name and history (from Otto Graham to Vinny Testaverde). All those Colts players and championships won in Baltimore are recognized in the Hall of Fame as Indianapolis. That is the real difference. Cleveland's legacy was left intact as opposed to Baltimore, which was ripped away and perverted. As fast as the team left Cleveland, Tagliabue insured them a new team. Baltimore was lied to and teased for 11 yrs before it got a team with Tagliabue only proposing a museum. I'm sorry the Browns have not lived up to previous frachise's standards, but that really is the current Brown's fault alone. The league can't win the games for them. The Raven's Super Bowls are Baltimore's alone with MVPs in each never playing a game as a Brown. Cleveland is more a coddled child that really doesn't realize how good they have it, while Baltimore's the neglected child that's had to fight for everything it has.
I was only 3 when this happened if i would have been older im sure it would bother me more but im still steamed about this but at least we have 1 more Lombardi trophy than Indy
Even if the Colts didn’t leave for Indianapolis, what would Baltimore do with two NFL teams?! It most like would have to be like the Jets and Giants, there would be no other choice.
I had no problem with the Colts leaving Baltimore and I understand it's a business. I am from Baltimore and my stepfather was a die-hard Colts fan and when they moved out of Baltimore his health started declining and he eventually passed away in 1986. The way I see it Irsay did what he had to do and if he felt as though he would be more financially stable moving to Indy so be it I had a problem with the way he did it and felt he could have moved that team in a more professional manner and did it to their face and not behind their back. The NFL should have made him turn that team around and go back to Baltimore and go through the proper and mandatory procedures to move that team. He moved that team like he was a damn cowboy packing up his family and moving to another land to settle down on. And time went on and 12 years had passed by before Baltimore got another team and was back in the NFL, and they stole a team from an NFL city and that was total revenge for what happened to them and what else was so bad, the NFL turned Baltimore down from getting an expansion team. And you know what the Ravens have been more successful than the Colts, the Ravens have won 2 super bowls, and the Colts have only 1 super bowl since being in Indy and super bowl 5 belongs to Baltimore and the Baltimore Colts.
It was common practice to keep names and logos when teams relocated. Dodgers, Lakers , Giants , Cardinals, Raiders, Braves , Chargers , and Rams all moved and kept their names. Usually only teams changed names when they had only been in a city a short period of time. Seattle Pilots and Dallas Texans for example. Seattle Supersonics to Oklahoma City Thunder and Oilers to Titans being exceptions.
18-19 season fun fact Baltimore and Houston the cities who lost their team made the playoffs While Colts and Titans fought each other for 1 to make it in week 17 Edit: And Cleveland was decent for once
The fans of Baltimore seem to vividly remember the pain of losing the Colts, but they don't appear to have any problem with the way they acquired the Ravens. That really says a lot about people way beyond pro football. It says that they're hopelessly terrible. Nice.
I feel bad for Cleveland fans as a Baltimore sports fan, but the baltimore move is still much worse cause the team just took off and left and took our name (which has a Baltimore inspiration), our records and championships.
I'm a Cowboys fan and have never been to Baltimore (at least not yet), but I have to agree with their assessment of what Irsay did with the Colts. Baltimore should have at least been able to keep the name, given that it had a specific geographic significance to them. I just hope that someday, the Indianapolis team will change its name and allow the Colts history and intellectual property to go to the Ravens.
@@crawford371 No the Colts history belongs in Baltimore. They were much more successful than the Ravens will ever be. Flacco will never even come close to matching Unitas.
I wonder what would have happened if the Colts went to a different state it would have been interesting if they did come to Arizona keeping in mind that everything that happened would happen if they got the same player's that won the superbowl in Indianapolis
@@t.c.thompson2359 well the Arizona Cardinals aren't really that great of a team they only made it to the super bowl once and had the chance to win but screwed up and the last few years they haven't done much
I have a lot of old stuff like this, I have had a VCR since 1983 and recorded tons of sports among other things; will be posting more soon.
Thanks for taping this almost 33 years ago. A valuable piece of history that might otherwise be lost.
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Please do .
Thanks Brother.
Ah, the old tv 80's tech. Before Sportscenter, we had George Micheal's Sportsmachine.
Do you by chance have the last Colts home game in 83 vs Oilers?
Thanks old man
how does this not have more views this is a f'in gem of history, amazing upload
Cause only US cares about it
I was wondering the same thing!!!
Baltimore's "offer" was eminent domain, no wonder Irsay got out of town
@@appalachianenthusiast9499 umm...that wasn't the offer moron
I can *NEVER* forget that. Like Modell, Irsay was in the crosshairs of angry fans' wrath. Both will always be on the side of infamy.
What Bob Irsay did to the people of Baltimore, MD was unforgiving!
@@lonniestephens6254 I would've done that too
@@lonniestephens6254 What would you'd expect from anybody who is under threat of having one's business seized.
@@lonniestephens6254 he did everything he could to stay, all you had to do was build a stadium and theyd still be there
Love this piece of history, thanks for posting!!!
You’re right about that!!
Ironically enough, as part of Indianapolis deal, the city gave him 10 years of guaranteed sellouts which meant he wasn’t forced to put a winner there.
It's been almost 35 years now & I STILL cannot get used to saying "Indianapolis Colts."
Don’t worry. We will say it for you.
@@cellmate1 - Please do...best thing to happen to Baltimore...we have 2 SBs...
@@arthurhall8238 yes you did. And you did it with the team you took from Cleveland
@@cellmate1 -um no....INCORRECT. The team that came from Cleveland was in cap hell...so much so that the team couldn't even afford a taxi squad. AND the team was horrible the first 3 years in Baltimore..we had to get rid of most of the horrible players before we were even competitive...so, no, sorry...WRONG
@@cellmate1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Keep in mind the Orioles in 1983 just won the World Series. Jim Palmer's last in his career and had been part of all three titles (1966, 1970, 1983) and the beginning of The Iron Man (Cal Ripken Jr)
1983 was also the year Brooks Robinson was elected to the HOF.
Hmmm, play in a dump with empty seats in a city trying to take the team away from you by imminent domain - OR - move to a city with a brand new stadium offering you a 20 year free lease. Gee, I can't imagine why the Colts moved.
Doolin Danger Looking back on it now, Baltimore Deserved to lose the Colts, and why, the City of Baltimore no longer supported the team, and also, the City of Baltimore was Stupid enough not to built a new Stadium for the Colts!!!
Doolin Danger Or why a city who loses two baseball teams like Washington, takes one from a Canadian city like Montreal and wins the World Series.
I think they should be paying for their own stadiums, fucking billionaires asking for handouts is sickening, hell the taxpayers in st louis are stuck with the bill for their stadium while the rams moved on to siphon tax dollars off of LA.
@@robkrieg8301 How, if the legislation blocks it?!
"During the 1974 elections, Pressman had an amendment to the city's charter placed on the fall ballot. Known as Question P, the amendment called for declaring "the 33rd Street stadium as a memorial to war veterans and prohibiting use of city funds for construction of any other stadium." The measure passed 56 percent to 44 percent, and the same political motivations that had been used to upgrade Baltimore Stadium, originally built in 1922, in the late 1940s and rename it Memorial Stadium, effectively destroyed any chance of a new, modern sports complex being built in Baltimore."
@@bluerisk that blocked any chance of the tax payers footing the bill, it has nothing to do with them paying for their own stadium. On top of the fact that Indianapolis had to foot the bill since baltinore wouldnt. Tell me how that refutes anything I said? And Baltimore isn't the only case of this bullshit, why cant all those billionaire pay for their own stadiums?
Thanks! This is a rare glimpse at a strange episode in nfl history.
Irsay was really a trend setter for today's NFL owners
"You build me a new venue or I'm going somewhere else"
Corporate welfare!!!!!
I think it's time for Colts fans to say these words to Jim Irsay - SELL THE TEAM!
True!!!
Actually it was Al Davis.
any city that doesn understand that the windfall they receive from an NFL team compared to the price of a stadium deserves to lose their NFL team
As a Sonics fan from Seattle, I unfortunately can relate to the pain and betrayal Colts fans felt back in '84.
I'm glad Baltimore eventually got a football team back though.
MrTommyg024 Seattle deserves a nba team and a NHL team
Thanks. I sincerely appreciate that comment.
Yeah, but Baltimore benefited from Cleveland's loss. That said, Seattle needs both the NBA and NHL. Seattle is a large populated area that can support 4 pro teams.
Montana Roots You are acting like it's Baltimore fans fucking fault. It's the NFL' fault all of it. They didn't allow Baltimore to have an expansion they were to lazy to make another team so they gave them the browns. There were a lot of Colts fans in Baltimore that felt bad about that. It took the joy out of them in gaining a team back. Don't act like the fans were hypocrites. At least you kept the damn colors and name. Baltimore didn't get that.
Shawn Kemp!!!
I grew up in Maryland but was never a Colts fan. However I remember that night well. IIRC the only reason the Colts were caught trying to sneak out was because of reporter was driving home from work, took a detour and saw the steam from the trucks and the lights on in the building.
Urban Legend, the Colts' video equipment was privately owned. He waited til the last second but Irsay had to notify the owner, a lifelong colts fan, of the move and that he had to get his equipment. THat person immediately notified the press.
It was a very good kept secret to keep their move quiet, but it won't work today to 24-7 social media cycle.
It wouldn't really matter too much. The reason the Colts had to move overnight was because they were racing to go before the Maryland congress could vote to stop them from moving.
@@VV_PaVria They wanted to leave in the middle of the night before anyone knew and Maryland State Troopers would stop the trucks.
Wish we could've kept the history and name atleast
I'm a Cowboys fan and I have to agree with you. Baltimore should've been able to keep the Colts history and name, given that it had specific geographical implications. Maybe someday, the Colts history and intellectual property will be handed back to the Ravens and the Indianapolis team will change its name. I certainly hope it does.
HotWax93 would be nice however don't think it's going to happen. I heard one time that Robert Irsay wanted to hang Johnny Unitas' jersey from the roof of the Hoosier Dome in Indianapolis.
Nic Van when the oilers left this city wanted nothing to do with them in fact alot of people where happy Bud Adams was gone
Nic Van Yeah the eminent domain claim was just plain stupid on the part of the politicians of Baltimore.
You nailed it iv always believed that , now whiskey bob's son get busted go's to rehab real class team.
"Too bad." Ouch.
Because Baltimore was Stupid enough not to build a new stadium for the Colts!!!!
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still waiting
I’ll never forget seeing Irsay on tv saying “It’s not your team, It’s my team.” That about says it all.
At least he was honest unlike modell who lied
@@gabrielguzman6018 what was the difference between irsay and modell?
@@1990Thunderbolt I was about to ask the same thing!!!
Probably not much. @@adamdorgant9454
He's not wrong, sucks but true.
It's amazing how much more sympathetic Indianapolis seemed to be toward Baltimore than Baltimore would be just 11 years later toward Cleveland.
Well except for that lady who said "Too bad"
Because we are good people in Indy
from Baltimore and agree he had the right to move the team, but as a good human being, a real man HAS to say he’s moving the team and not slink around in the shadows avoiding the city/media/fans…we wouldn’t of liked it but would’ve at least respected the decision…Ravens ended up being awesome so all worked out
This is why Mayflower is the least popular moving company in Baltimore.
I think "america's most trusted moving company" is doing just fine
I have needed a moving company about ten times since then, but refused to even consider Mayflower. I'm sure they didn't give a crap, but it's a few thousand dollars of my money they didn't get.
Good thing it all had a happy ending for Baltimore/Indianapolis/Cleveland
Seattle on the other hand
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Not sure you can say Cleveland has had a happy ending. If anything, they’ve suffered worse than Baltimore
@@johnnyroberts3761 How? Cleveland has their name and entire history. They were guaranteed a team a few years later. Baltimore lost everything and had to start all over like they never had a team, and had to wait 12 years without a guarantee for a new team.
True Cleveland got their team history and a new team but to be fair the Browns rarely had been good since they returned. Yes Seattle still haven't has a NBA team since the SuperSonics moved yet but eventually they will.
The old Colts Complex is still standing, it houses the athletic facilities for Division 3 Stevenson University.
Being a life-long Denver Broncos fan and native, I would be devastated. Thank goodness for the success of the Ravens. Them Irsays are crazy. Glad Elway didn't want to play for them.
As a Broncos fan myself, I am VERY glad that Irsay was incompetent enough for John Elway to not want to play for him. It was sad Baltimore fans though.
Reading about it now, Baltimore Deserved to Lose the Colts, and why, The City of Baltimore no longer supported the team, and also, Because Baltimore was Stupid enough not build a new stadium for the Colts, no wonder they moved to Indianapolis!!!!
@@adamdorgant9454 Why should cities build sports stadiums for billionaire owners? Especially stadiums that only last 25 or 30 years. Indianapolis built Hoosier Dome in 1984. That stadium is long gone. Irsay ruined the Baltimore Colts franchise. They were one of the worst teams in the NFL from 1978 through 1983. No wonder the fans there stopped going to the games! Baltimore wasn't Detroit. In Detroit, Lions continue to sell out Ford Field despite Lions being one of the worst NFL teams year after year.🙄
@@mrg8581 the city of Baltimore owned the stadium and the colts and orioles paid rent to play there. Explain why they should be obligated to stay in that dump stadium when their land lord refuses to renovate it? Also they weren’t billionaires in the 80s in fact the Hoosier dome cost 77 million to build. NFL teams cost less than that back then.
@@CynicalCharlatan88 If Memorial Stadium was such a dump, then the team owners should never have signed a lease to play there in the first place. And 77 million dollars to build the Hoosier Dome in 1984 would be over 200 million in 2021 dollars. A lot of money to spend on a stadium that the Colts played for only 24 seasons.
Memorial Stadium was turning into a dump should be glad Orioles didn't leave town also
O's Owner Edward Bennett Williams only signed 1 year leases until the Camden Yards Stadium project passed.
It also had a parking lot from Hell.
I wish they had...we would have gotten an expansion team or a new team with a decent owner...
@@arthurhall8238What team really likes it's owner? at the end of the day it's business
@@michaelleroy9281 umm..a lot of them do...great excuse
They had to "sneak out of town" because they got win that the team was going to be seized
Oakland was going to the same with Raiders 1981-82
Try and take my business and I'd move middle of the night to. You ran them out of town
@@majorfaulking4427 "I have not any intention of moving the g-d team. If I did, I would tell you about it. Okay?" - Bob Irsay
Are you a drunk as well with a goldfish memory?
Hard to believe it's been 32 years since the Colts moved to Indianapolis!!!!
I recorded this live in 1984............. i hate the dam dvd to vhs burn seems audio is off; will work on a better copy. I have like 1500 VHS to do lol; i have so many memories to go through.
No biggy, still a good copy. I've done a lot of VHS to DVD transfers & never had a case of lips being out of synch like that.
Ironically enough on the exact same date in 1996, Art Modell renames his franchise the Baltimore Ravens
belcherman Good to know!!!
@@rockvilleraven you do know he tried to keep the Browns name right?
Chargers move equally as bad, only they went to a rival sports city of San Diego, LA to become a SECOND TEAM.
2nd team LA don't even want them no matter how good they are, Raiders and Cowboys are more popular in LA than even the Rams.
Andrew Schulz I think the Colts move was worse because at least the Chargers didn’t leave the state of California and LA is only 2 hours away from San Diego.
Nothing is equally as bad as leaving in the middle of the night
@@NinjaDog9123 Yeah, but you can't replace what the franchise meant to the city.
WTA Statman John true. At least Baltimore actually got a new team back. San Diego might get a new team back in the future.
at least you got the ravens
thanks for posting this video. Agreed, Baltimore should have been able to retain the name and history.
That's insane. The city did not own them, the Irsays did. Pro Football is a business. If McDonalds moves their headquarters to another city, they don't change their name or history. The Dodgers, Lakers, Giants, Cardinals, Rams, etc. etc. etc. didn't leave their names and history behind. - it's ridiculous. ONLY Baltimore has cried about this bullshit. Get over it.
No franchise has ever left the name behind without being forced to.
I hear you because the Browns had fought like pitbulls to get the name back. It was one hell of a fight.
Why? The city did not own them. The owner makes the decisions
How about San Diego keeping the Chargers name/history and Oakland keeping the Raiders name/history? How come no one talks about that?
I remember when this happened, I'll still take the Ravens, we had to lose in order to gain.
5 NFL Championships vs your 1. Grats?
They were threatening to leave over 4 years the city did nothing to make things better. They had to pay the Orioles rent and share their revenue with them and the Orioles didn't have to share nothing with the Colts. I don't blame them for leaving at all the city had time to make things better and they didn't so the Colts left.
There is a good doc on Disney plus about the move. And the colts band getting screwed. But yeah. The colts were cowards for leaving like they did. Especially over night with out giving the town any notice. The Band was lucky to get there uniforms back because they were at the cleaners lol. So they hid them in a cemetery and hid them in a mausoleum. Lol. Later on the Baltimore Ravens were nice enough to allow the band to play for them all these years later. They got new uniforms and everything.
Simple. Don't try to seize a man's personal business via eminent domain. Baltimore forced Irsay to move the team or lose it.
Yep, eminent domain amounts to stealing.
I agree, that's communism.
WRONG. Try educating yourself on the details. Irsay bought the Colts from Rosenbloom, and ran the team into the ground. He alienated the fans . He was considered the worst owner in sports. He was going to move the team regardless. He was shopping the team to cities desperate to get into the NFL>Eminent Domain was a last ditch effort to stop the inevitable move.
Blue Skeptic trapping him? Cities shouldn't raise taxes to pay for sports stadiums for billionaires. I'm a die hard sports fan and even I see the economic idiocy there
Charles Shettle ...actually, Irsay was allowed to acquire the Rams in a behind the scenes deal that cut the legs out from under Hugh Culverhouse. Then the NFL allowed Irsay & Rosenbloom to swap franchises. Culverhouse threatened to sue the NFL and was awarded the Tampa franchise to make up for it.
Got another one coming soon related to this one; just have to VHSrip it. It is when the Browns come to Baltimore and It was around 1995; I will post that soon.
I also have uploaded the team we had in the CFL at the time "The Baltimore Stallions" winning the Gray Cup here: th-cam.com/video/qw5I3DVszwM/w-d-xo.html
With the Baltimore Colts gone and no NFL football team, Baltimore got a CFL football team named the Stallions in 1994. The team played only two years but won the CFL equivalent of the SUPER BOWL in both seasons. Once the Browns were moving to Baltimore; the team was disbanded.
The Baltimore Stallions were a Canadian Football League team based in Baltimore, Maryland, in the United States, which played the 1994 and 1995 seasons.
Owner: Jim Speros
Head coach: Don Matthews
Location: Baltimore, MD
Founded: 1994
Home field: Memorial Stadium
Color: Royal blue, silver, black and white
The Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore in 1995, where they changed their name to the Baltimore Ravens.
The Browns returned to Cleveland as an expansion team in 1999.
Liar
99
John Elway wouldn't play for the Colts. Irsay was a lunatic.
And one year later they were gone
Baltimore and Cleveland share one thing in common, they both had heartbreaking relocations. But the difference between them is that Baltimore was nice enough to give Cleveland their history and name back, but Baltimore didn't get the same treatment. Indianapolis rarely, if ever, acknowledges their past and it's sad if you ask me. If Peyton Manning was never drafted by the Indianapolis Colts they would have been one of the most irrelevant, unsuccessful franchises in NFL history. The city of Baltimore definitely made the Ravens their own, but deep down I think lots of older fans wish they had just been the Colts the whole time. Johnny Unitas is a football legend and he was the face of that city, arguably that entire state too and he sounded the most disappointed by that whole scandal.
Not quite. We had to sue the League and Baltimore for that. Everything was slated to go. EVERYTHING. While those overbreeding defiling thieves have two trophies built on our blood, sweat & tears, all we have are 20 years--TWENTY YEARS--of agony, shame and disappointment.
We will NEVER forgive this. EVER.
It's a completely messed up situation, Cleveland never got any sort of redemption for what happened either. If there is any team in pro sports that deserves a championship, it's the Browns.
@@ErickGainesSanders - you are seriously dellusional
If the state had built a new stadium, instead of trying to sieze control of a private citizens property, like they'd promised Baltimore would still have the Colts. I'm sure the Colts would rather just pretend it never happened and that they were in Indiana from inception, where they have top tier facilities, raving fans, and plenty of money. After all, people tend to forget that the team snuck to the border of Maryland in the dead of night, out of fear of being arrested by Maryland State Police, and were escorted by Indiana State Police to their new home in Indianapolis.
Well one thing Baltimore has that Cleveland doesn't....
2 Super bowl titles!
And yet eleven and a half years later, they accepted a deal to take someone else's team from them. Who knows how things would be different if the Colts had stayed in Baltimore? Perhaps, if they had left the history of the Colts and the name in Baltimore, there wouldn't be a Ravens franchise there.
Isn't it interesting that both of Baltimore's teams were once called the Browns?
FAITHandLOGIC That was very ironic lol
Never thought of that but true.
"I have not any intention of moving the g-d team. If I did, I would tell you about it. Okay?" - Bob Irsay
Almost as if stuff changes when a city refuses to build a stadium and threatens eminent domain
I'm a Baltimore fan(from Pennsylvania) but get your facts straight. The move was 20 years in the making. Both the Orioles and Colts were disguised with Memorial Stadium as far back as the 60's. When Baltimore became aware of the complaints they proposed to build a multipurpose dome similar to the Astrodome in Houston, down where the current stadiums are now. However they soon withdrew the plan on the excuse that they didn't have the money and wouldn't replace what they considered a memorial to fallen soldiers (facade of Memorial Stadium) A 1972 study of Memorial Stadium sided with the owners. No skyboxes, obstructed views, poor location, poor plumbing, parking and concessions under control of the Orioles even for Colts games, the 2 p.m. kickoffs, and the horseshoe shaped bowl (took fans sitting on the 50 yard line away from the action) were among issues addressed. Yet Baltimore made little, if any effort, to remodel and upgrade the stadium. Threats of relocation came from both the Colts and Orioles shortly after this with the Colts being sold to Robert Irsay in 1972 and the Orioles to Edward Williams in 1979. Talks between the owners and the city produced little results and never mentioned a new stadium for either team. Even in 1984 the mayor made it known a new stadium wasn't going to be built. Once the Colts left the fear of the Orioles relocating to Washington D.C. (where Williams had his law office) became very real and the need for a new stadium to save the Orioles became a top priority. Even then Annapolis was slow to pass a bill to fund a stadium. It was only the smart thinking of the Colts marching band playing at the State House that the new stadium, now known as Camden Yards, passed. Baltimore treated the owners like crap and paid the price. Not siding with the Colts but holding Baltimore responsible for their actions. They're lucky they have teams today.
So they treated the owners like crap by not having the taxpayers foot the bill on a stadium for a couple billionaires? Why didnt they offer to pay when baltinore said it didnt have the cash? Huh? Seems like they tried to treat the taxpayers like shit not the other way around.
Colts leaving helped Oriole Park at Camden Yards buiit
@@robkrieg8301 you missed the part where he said the city did nothing to address complaints over Memorial Stadium. It was a very flawed stadium and obsolete as early as the 60s.
As far as Irsay, he's trash. Stolen valor.
@@hellman9655 you must not have read my comment correctly. I never said memorial stadium wasn't a bad stadium nor did I say the city tried to cooperate for a new stadium. I want someone to explain to me why the taxpayers of the city should pay for a billionaires stadium? Look at St. louis still paying off a stadium they got stuck with after the taxpayers got hosed and now they have a big empty useless stadium with years left of payments to go and the team still left. Is it abnormal to ask billionaires to pay their own way?
@@robkrieg8301 there's the way things are and the way they should be. Run for office and be the change you're looking for.
The colts left by the cover of darkness.....The Colts' Band proceeded by the light of day.
The rumors of the Colts leaving town started in 1979
1972 really, thats how long Baltimore had to invest in their team
Indianapolis Colts fan here. I definitely understand the hatred the people of Baltimore feel for Robert Irsay. The guy was a drunk and was a garbage owner who never put a good team on the field here in Indy. When he died his son took over and hired the right people and got out of the way for the most part. I also feel the Colts name should have stayed in Baltimore. But, government officials in Baltimore are partially to blame for the Colts leaving. Memorial Stadium was falling apart for years and the previous Colts owner tried to negotiate with the city. He got sick of dealing with it and traded the Colts for the Rams. I think Irsay did Baltimore dirty with HOW he moved the team but Baltimore could have prevented this from happening and a lot of the comments here don't mention that at all 🤔
Youre no Indianapolis Colts fan. Go away
A tragedy, sponsored by Toyota. Somehow, that fits. I remember well watching on TV in New England the Mayflower trucks trying to sneak out of the headquarters in the middle of the night. We couldn't believe it, but then we remembered who the owner was.
Johnny unitas said it perfectly
17:25. That's a damn cool t shirt for 1983. I didn't even know Logo 7 was around way back then.
Well, Baltimore. You First Rejected Irsay's Demand for a New Stadium and then passed a Measure denying that chance, You then tried to Take the Colts Away from Irsay which forced him to make the move to Indianpolis. If You Hadn't Screwed Over Your Own Damn Team and Just Gave Them a New Stadium and Not Threaten to Take That Team Away, I'll Betcha The Colts would still be in Baltimore. But Hey You've Learned and Got the Ravens (Although You Had To Take That Team From Cleveland).
Much more complicated than that.
Ed Stylc how?
12 years tearing apart a team and fielding one of the league's worst defenses ever. 0-8-1 and 2-14 seasons. Trading away Johnny Unitas, Irsay calling plays from the press box. It was a joke. Do not get me wrong, the Maryland state government also dropped the ball, but Irsay was a crummy owner who shopped around the franchise playing pre-season games in Phoenix and Jacksonville. I lived through it and am well versed on this. The city of Baltimore also takes some blame for the 2pm starts to accommodate local churches in the residential area where Memorial Stadium was located.
Ed Stylc And Don't Forget The Colts Passed On Elway to the Broncos after he refused to play with them...
There was that as well. Agreed. Had they waited Elway out he would have signed eventually.
As much as i loved the Baltimore Colts. They were playing in an outdated relic of a stadium. The City of Baltimore & The State of Maryland representatives thought Irsay was talking out his rear end. Well that swift kick in the rear was Irsay's midnight exodus. Yes it was sad what he did. But it took that painful lesson to bring Camden Yards to existence .
I don't blame Irsay for leaving Baltimore, they had every chance to keep them in Baltimore and the city did not step up. Memorial stadium was a dump. Things were moving forward in the NFL and teams were getting new stadiums and financial support from cities they resided in.
Wait a sec, America once actually made t shirts?? Damn
The NFL returns to Los Angeles of both the Rams '16 & Chargers '17
Thank goodness the Packers stayed in Green Bay instead of moving to Milwaukee...The Packers have too much of a long, rich football history in the city of Green Bay to move anywhere else, having been started by Acme meat packing company employees in the late 1800s as a sandlot football team known as the Acme Packers...I also like that the Packers had invested in renovations, expansions and retrofits to their stadium to make it a year-round attraction for their fanbase.
Instead of being owned by one person, the Packers are owned by a collective of shareholders.
I worked at the Packers Pro Shop at Lambeau Field in high school, and it's amazing to see all the merchandise with the Packers logo plastered all over them beyond the usual range of hats, T-shirts and jerseys!
When the packers played in Milwaukee the traditional foes played in green Bay everybody else played in milwauker
P.s. like the bears lions vikings played in green bay
40 years of Indianapolis Colts
longer than Baltimore Colts
What happened to Jim Irsay? I heard some crazy rumors
Really? The Hoosier Dome looked far from being finished. 14:55.
Of all relocation, this was the worst. Baltimore Colts should still exist.
They do. They're just called the Indianapolis Colts instead. And at least Baltimore ended up with the Ravens, who have been more successful than the Indy Colts. At the expense of the original Browns of course, but you see my point. This should have been done with an announcement, but can't blame the relocation though. Memorial Stadium was falling apart and the city was cheap and wouldn't dig into their pockets for a new stadium or any serious renovation. Irsay had no choice. Baltimore is lucky they still have the O's for the same reason.
Not anymore
Things were going on from Jan- Mar 1984 as the video shows
Charger fan here I feel the pain.
Oscar Ruiz
Sorry for your loss Brother.
I was 21 when the Colts Left .
I am still angry.
I remember the Dan Fouts days with the Chargers .
@@georgeharleydavidsonrider156I hate the Indianapolis Colts
Crazy in the 1980's u can just camp out and go to someones hotel room and interview him.
The Mayflower Move
28:17 dayum.... The news outlets would be under heavy fire for using that R word if the Colts move happened in the 2000s onward!
Yeah, wow. That sounds bad, even for then to me.
Worse than the Colts leaving, local politics closed my recreation center in North West Baltimore in the early 1980s.
In 1983 Colts had many crowds of 25000 or so
Didn’t know that!!!!
Because the team had been horrible for 5 years and Irsay was constantly threatening to move the team. Also in those days a lot of NFL teams failed to fill their stadiums.
@@andysozio8556 You’re Right about that!!!
Man! I theses nos·tal·gia jiggles music intro from baltimore channel 2 back in the late 80's!😂😂😂😂🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
remember like it was yesterday....walked out of high school that day.....upset about colts and that we went to school despite the snow......
Al Davis leave Oakland move to Los Angeles became Los Angeles Raiders in 1982 followed by Robert irsay leave Baltimore move to Indianapolis became Indianapolis Colts in 1984 and last but not least bill bidwill leave St Louis move to Phoenix became Phoenix Cardinals in 1988 those are the greatest moves the franchise relocation in NFL history of all time the 80s
Ironically Bidwell considered moving to Baltimore, but the family voted for Arizona because of the Weather.
rockvilleraven Oakland Alameda Coliseum home of Oakland Athletics Memorial Stadium home of Baltimore Orioles and Busch Stadium home of St Louis Cardinals Major League Baseball without NFL teams
The Cardinals move to Phoenix in 1988 was approved by the NFL owners they didn't just take off like the Raiders and Colts
In the end all cities involved came out okay.
Baltimore had the last laugh, though. Baltimore has won two Super Bowls since then and the Colts only won one.
Cleveland was guaranteed a franchise by the NFL within a few years with their original colors and history. The city of Baltimore had no such guarantee.
@Montana Roots Cleveland was also able to keep their name and history (from Otto Graham to Vinny Testaverde). All those Colts players and championships won in Baltimore are recognized in the Hall of Fame as Indianapolis. That is the real difference. Cleveland's legacy was left intact as opposed to Baltimore, which was ripped away and perverted. As fast as the team left Cleveland, Tagliabue insured them a new team. Baltimore was lied to and teased for 11 yrs before it got a team with Tagliabue only proposing a museum. I'm sorry the Browns have not lived up to previous frachise's standards, but that really is the current Brown's fault alone. The league can't win the games for them. The Raven's Super Bowls are Baltimore's alone with MVPs in each never playing a game as a Brown. Cleveland is more a coddled child that really doesn't realize how good they have it, while Baltimore's the neglected child that's had to fight for everything it has.
Baltimore was in the wrong for this one. They were trying to take the team away from the owner.
Don't forget we beat them on our way to winning our 2nd Super Bowl!
The Masked Heel Baltimore wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the Browns
Interesting! I never knew that Irsay was the previous most despicable sports team owner in the area.
i was 3 when this happened i started watching the nfl when i was 10 and eventually i found out about this
I was only 3 when this happened if i would have been older im sure it would bother me more but im still steamed about this but at least we have 1 more Lombardi trophy than Indy
Actually, two more. The Baltimore Colts won Super Bowl V. Even though took the trophy, the Colts played in Baltimore then.
INDIANAPOLIS IS THERE RIGHTFUL HOME NOW 💙💙💙
Most disgusting move in sports history. Sneaking out in the middle of the night. I always knew that Bob Irsay was a coward.
Cry me a river.....
Maybe but the fact is the city basically put a gun to his head. They brought this on themselves.
@@redpillfreedom6692he was still a coward
Even if the Colts didn’t leave for Indianapolis, what would Baltimore do with two NFL teams?! It most like would have to be like the Jets and Giants, there would be no other choice.
It's also amusing to hear references to "bringing football into the modern era".
Baltimore Ravens is a much better name than Baltimore Colts #UnpopularOpinion
They made the man hell of a better deal than Baltimore. Shame we didn’t get to keep the team’s history and colors
There's so much I could say about Marge Blatt 5:55, the human Pall Mall. When public relations backfires.
You’re right about that!!!!
Who is marge platt
@@dallasmars2 I don't know about Marge Platt, but I was talking about Marge Blatt, who was featured at the time I gave in my comment.
@@voicevitality7197Tell me more about Marge. She looks like a Marge Blatt.
Cleveland kept the Browns logo . Why was the Irsay clown allowed to keep the Colts logo?Maby the nfl can fix that as well as the officiating problems
Exactly! Underrated comment
I had no problem with the Colts leaving Baltimore and I understand it's a business. I am from Baltimore and my stepfather was a die-hard Colts fan and when they moved out of Baltimore his health started declining and he eventually passed away in 1986. The way I see it Irsay did what he had to do and if he felt as though he would be more financially stable moving to Indy so be it
I had a problem with the way he did it and felt he could have moved that team in a more professional manner and did it to their face and not behind their back. The NFL should have made him turn that team around and go back to Baltimore and go through the proper and mandatory procedures to move that team. He moved that team like he was a damn cowboy packing up his family
and moving to another land to settle down on. And time went on and 12 years had passed by before Baltimore got another team and was back in the NFL, and they stole a team from an NFL city
and that was total revenge for what happened to them and what else was so bad, the NFL turned Baltimore down from getting an expansion team. And you know what the Ravens have been more
successful than the Colts, the Ravens have won 2 super bowls, and the Colts have only 1 super bowl since being in Indy and super bowl 5 belongs to Baltimore and the Baltimore Colts.
Ravens (old Browns) fans see this
I also have Browns to Baltimore as well. need to put that up.
This would make a good movie.
AZDuffman 30 for 30 has one about the marching band. It’s really good
When you don't have a mind (Irsay) it's hard to make it up.
Must stink to have the best player ever in your franchise history.....to have a statue outside of someone else's stadium
Wdym?
@@Austin.Kilgore umm..there is a status of Johnny Unitas, a COLT, outside of Raven's stadium...
@@arthurhall8238that is lame!
15 vans taking 15 different routes
You’re right about that!!!!!
Baltimore had a goofy rule about 2 pm(eastern) start times that's one reason
The Bears also had the same 2pm start (1pm central) which was weird.
Why is the audio so out of sync? Is anyone else having that problem?
Yes
I’m hammer drunk so I can’t really tell.
Yes!!!!
saying that Baltimore should have kept the lago in Baltimore no because Bob Irsay owned the team so he technically owned the lago
not the point...
Sad day.
They tried to take The Colts from Irsay!!!! He’s not the villain
Then you know nothing about Irsay. His own Mother called him "The Devil on earth".
@@acharleyhorse1
Baltimore tried to take his team.
You seriously need to learn about Irsay and how he ran that franchise into the ground when it was in Baltimore. He was an absolute villian.
@@acharleyhorse1
IT WAS STILL HIS TEAM!! His personality has nothing to do with it
what baffles me is the nerve of Indianapolis to keep the Colts name.
Irsay earned it, but yeah, it should've stayed in Baltimore.
It was common practice to keep names and logos when teams relocated.
Dodgers, Lakers , Giants , Cardinals, Raiders, Braves , Chargers , and Rams all moved and kept their names.
Usually only teams changed names when they had only been in a city a short period of time. Seattle Pilots and Dallas Texans for example.
Seattle Supersonics to Oklahoma City Thunder and Oilers to Titans being exceptions.
18-19 season fun fact
Baltimore and Houston the cities who lost their team made the playoffs
While Colts and Titans fought each other for 1 to make it in week 17
Edit: And Cleveland was decent for once
The fans of Baltimore seem to vividly remember the pain of losing the Colts, but they don't appear to have any problem with the way they acquired the Ravens. That really says a lot about people way beyond pro football. It says that they're hopelessly terrible. Nice.
They also had no problem with their owners cock-blocking baseball from coming back to D.C. for decades. Scumbag Baltimorons.
John Caparulo What were they supposed to do? You act as though the fans of Baltimore were responsible for the Browns leaving Cleveland.
But the Browns still have their history still have their name they took our team took the history took the name took the horseshoe need say more.
Ed fischbach preech!
I feel bad for Cleveland fans as a Baltimore sports fan, but the baltimore move is still much worse cause the team just took off and left and took our name (which has a Baltimore inspiration), our records and championships.
I'm a Cowboys fan and have never been to Baltimore (at least not yet), but I have to agree with their assessment of what Irsay did with the Colts. Baltimore should have at least been able to keep the name, given that it had a specific geographic significance to them. I just hope that someday, the Indianapolis team will change its name and allow the Colts history and intellectual property to go to the Ravens.
HotWax93 nope.
HotWax93 not going to happen bruh
I don't think baltimore want the Colts name at all...they're fine with the ravens
@@crawford371 No the Colts history belongs in Baltimore. They were much more successful than the Ravens will ever be. Flacco will never even come close to matching Unitas.
Nah
The Colts belong in Indianapolis. That is where Peyton Manning played.
Overrated
that was a great soundtrack
No wonder he was called “Turnoff” should have changed his last name to “Turndown” because he was turning down the reporters questions.
It's all good that Baltimore let there team leave. I love my Baltimore- Indianapolis Colt's 🏈🏈🏈
HAHA...people still cringe when they hear "Indianoplace Colts"
@@arthurhall8238 People in Baltimore can’t stand the fact that’s what happened when you pull an “Emmint Domain” clause on an owner.
@@rockvilleraven Colts will move again at some point....
You can’t say goddamn on the air. Don’t worry. Nobody’s listening anyway.
I wonder what would have happened if the Colts went to a different state it would have been interesting if they did come to Arizona keeping in mind that everything that happened would happen if they got the same player's that won the superbowl in Indianapolis
How is that interesting, it is the exact same thing with a different city in front of it.
@@t.c.thompson2359
well the Arizona Cardinals aren't really that great of a team they only made it to the super bowl once and had the chance to win but screwed up and the last few years they haven't done much