Control Engine Ignition Timing with Your Smart Phone - Next Gen Tech from Progression Ignition
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- We test a new invention can potentially bring your carbureted engine into the 21st century. Progression Ignition's new distributor allows you to set your spark advance, advance curves, rev limiter and more right from your smartphone. There is even an included MAP sensor to develop a vacuum advance table and even provide easy timing retard if you are running turbos or superchargers.
Everything is run from Progression Ignition's app, which works with both iPhone and Android devices. So let us know what you think!
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I just installed one in my gen 6 454... Best distributor I've run so far.
As an EFI owner with timing control, I think this is a fantastic product. Being able to tune the timing for cruise, part throttle, and WOT without ever popping the hood is so much better. A HUGE perk of this system that I can see is the 12x12 table. That gives a very good resolution to help fine tune. Compare that to the Fitech's 3x3 table.
Holley Sniper uses 31x31 tables. Way better than fitech. This is pretty impressive for a standalone distributor. If I didn't already have computer controlled timing, I'd definitely look into it.
Fitted one to my 6 inline 1959 Holden and it works perfectly. Absolutely ideal for old school carby engines.
where did you get the ignition to suit holden 6 from ?
@@chadribbons4833 didnt see they make them for a grey motor holden . or even a red motor.
hi , interested in which model you got to suit holden six
@@michellecieplechowicz5206 I got the small cap model for Chevy 194/235 6 inline for my grey motor. A red motor would require a different model
@@chadribbons4833 sorry I didn't see your reply mate. I bought it direct from Progressive Ignition in USA
Like the idea of computer controlled vacuum advance with a map sensor rather than depending on a mechanical vacuum cannister like an old school distributor
Dad Food I have msd 6al2 programmable. You use a distributor lockout plate (or lockout your distributor if it has that option) , then set total timing up. From there you go to MSD program on the computer and tell it where to pull timing vs rpm. This eliminates the need for vacuum advance.
This setup is more user friendly, but im curious if it can compete with the spark production of the msd unit and extra features of the MSD (2step,launch control).
I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the bigger companies tries to purchase this technology.
@@Dodgechallengersixpack yes it can. they have a demo video of one firing to 8500 or so on a curve machine with spark plugs hooked up
watch this th-cam.com/video/1TB8VfAvClE/w-d-xo.html
man i NEED one when i go to rebuild my 302 with the small cap so i can clear the vic jr
big cap HEIs and tall manifold dont mix well on windsors..
I love the technology put into this distributor almost as much as it scares me. It kind of makes a non computerized car, a computerized car. Not a fan of computerized cars.
very cool. Would be really cool to see it have an idle control function where it will add and subtract timing to maintain idle speed like the OEM ECU controlled fuel injection cars do. I"m assuming that would be very easy to add since the changes would all software.
It does this to a point. The MAP sensor senses engine load, such as a/c or electric fan kicking on and increases timing/torque to compensate.
Now someone just needs to make one with individual cylinder timing adjustments like the old NASCAR distributors but with vacuum advance and electronic control.
Sounds like a cool system. All the bonus of having a ign box without needing one.
One thing that always may be wonder. How does it control the timing when the rotor is turned by the engine? does it physically move the rotor to adv and ret the timing?
Please tell me you're not this dumb?
I’ve had one a few years. Love it!
So it has long term dependability thus far? The technology is awesome, but I want feedback on dependability!
@@trailerparkcryptoking5213 wondering the same
That technology is already available on Yamaha 4-stroke motocross dirt bikes, you can adjust igntion AND fuel curves with your smart phone, connecting to the bike's control module by Bluetooth signal.
That's cool. How useful have you found it? And thanks for watching
Michel Latour they have efi ....
Those are EFI.
I just installed this in my 65 GTO powered by Fitech-equipped big-cam 406 smallblock Chevy. Ignition is awesome. One part you got backwards, though. Max vacuum is at the lower end of the Y-axis. WOT is is at max kpa.
Just curious how it’s working with your fitech after two years?
I’ve been running a fitech 800 mean street for 4 years now and love it but I want to be able to control my ignition on the fly on my 512ci Mopar.
Wow I'm impressed and curious
I just bought one to replace a vacuum advance HEI and it is awesome! You can add a degree or two on the fly from the drivers seat plus many other adjustments. It is spot on.
There is a company in the Netherlands (123 ignition) that does a very similar product. Down side to their units, is you can't alter the timing values on the fly. So you end up doing a total power run every time you make an adjustment
Not true, with Progression Ignition you can make changes with the engine running.
Progression Ignition That is a real benefit. I'll edit what I said so as not to give any one the wrong idea if they read it. Thanks for the info. Next time we are doing a American unit I will look you guys up👍🇬🇧
LOVE MINE. The lockout feature is underrated. Any other lockout setup could be bypassed. This thing locked means swapping the dizzy to steal the car. aint happening.
That is a game changer, I will be looking for more info on this gem. Good video.
Thanks! And thanks for watching
Cool technology, $459 for big cap chevy isn't a bad price.
Would be awesome for the thousands of us with msd pro billet distributors if you made just a control box I could lock my msd out and wire your box (circuit board) to it, then tune
Haha progression knows what they have. Its actually cheaper to ditch your msd and convert. Just sell it on eBay to recoupe some $$$
@@1997LT1Camaro wonder if you could just use the two wires on the progression unit needed to trigger the coil and retain the MSD.
Why not just use your MSD controller with your MSD distributor
Very clear and informative video!
I wish You could make videos about other type of engines, jdm stuff, like 4G63.
Great job!
Thanks! Yeah, down here in the Southeastern USA, at least all my engine building contacts do almost exclusively domestic V8's. The jdm stuff is pretty interesting, though. Thanks for watching!
@@TheHorsepowerMonster Thanks for making videos!
That's so nice ....I just got msd ready to run going in rv have not installed yet wondering if I should send it back??? Old 413 Mopar industrial engine only like 7-5-1 compression...they run forever wonder if I should get this one it's same price????
I messaged the company and got little to no feedback. Any kind of warranty on it how much testing has been done to prove it especially for longevity. You break down on the side of the road you're kind of screwed. Do the parts in the distributor hold up to heat?
No answers, a bad sign. The unit is probably made in China which you want to avoid.
If you go to the website, it says designed and made in America. One year warranty.
@@johnmilner7603 The phone you typed that comment on was made in China but I dont see you throwing down your phone.
@@johnmilner7603 you might want to watch the use of probably without looking into it first
HI there, Great Product :), Q: can this be used with a Crank Trigger system ?
I emailed them a year ago asking, it can not be used with a crank trigger
So is there an HEI version of this thing or is it HEI to begin with? Also would this be worth dropping into a 85 C30 dually with a 454 living under the hood that's set up for towing?
They do have a separate HEI option. I think something like what you are talking about would be a very interesting use for one of these because you are often running the engine under load at part throttle. Possibly you could tune your timing maps using the manifold pressure to maximize power and fuel efficiency. Thanks for watching!
Just for anyone curious.. I'm not doubting the company, but they haven't updated any of their social media accounts (facebook, twitter, youtube, etc...) in over a year. You'd think that a new company with a great product would want to sell as many as possible right?
Their customer service and help desk is live. I asked a question recently, Aug 2023, and got a quick response.
i aske a question about them pointing the rotor cap to number 2 cyl on a sbc thats been a week ago no ansewer
It's probably because they're too busy filling orders to care about posting statuses on social media forums.
I might be ditching my Crane Pro-curve distributor for this. Can you still run an ignition box if you want?
I think so.
Would I be able to take it out and put in a different engine of same style, I have 1985 351 Windsor stock engine but later down the road if I wanted to move it to another 351 would I be able to? Thanks for any help
Hi, it can be used in steady tuning on live?
Do they have a marine option? I don't need vacuum advance and need an HEI setup. :D
Does this have a multi-spark discharge?
Do you use a mellonized gear?
Yeah, but what about normal vehicles? If a put a carburetor, a smaller carburetor on my chevy 350v8 g20 van, will this thing make it have more power with better MPG?
Do you even know what a distributor does and how it works. It has nothing to do with the carburettor or what size engine you have. It controls the ignition spark.
I'm rebuilding my k code 289 and this what I've been looking for...wanting to keep it stock looking as possible. Question? Do they make a conversion for sbf distributors? Like to run the stock kcode distributor housing with modern technology
They have an application for smallblock Ford but it is the entire distributor. There is no way they could reliably stuff this technology into a 60 year old antique distributor.
@@65sohc what do you think of the pertronics cast distributor
@@Dogleg1957 I installed one in my 66 Mustang. If I were to do it over I would get this. The Pertronix vacuum advance is 18 degrees, way too much. They do make an adjustable canister so I ordered it. When I went to install I realized the entire distributor had to be disassembled all the way down to driving out the roll pin and removing the drive gear. Adding insult to injury was the fact that the vacuum advance mechanism broke during adjustment. They offered to send me another one but I was damned if I was going to tear down the distributor again. Judging from the reviews on Summit, failure in that part is common. I've only had the Progression for a few days but so far I am very impressed. There is so much more to ignition timing than setting your initial and determining your all in RPM.
CAN THIS BE USED ON A 95 FORD 5.8 / 351 (NOT WINDSOR) FUEL INJECTED GAS FUELED ENGINE?? 350 DUALLY CREW CAB FIFTH WHEEL TOW. THIS WOULD HELP WITH FUEL MILEAGE TOW AND NON TOWING. THANK YOU
Their website has all that info.
This is for carbed engines, not fuel injection.
Very nice and seems to be simple
Igniter vs Points distributor vs HEI
I have a 1990 Lincoln Town with the Windsor V8. Looking for tune-up advice, how to get the best fuel efficiency. upgrading does sound like less maintenance but questioning ROI Return On Investment? btw the car has sat for 8 years and running well on warm days. but if I don't let it warm up 20* F or colder and try to drive off after 10 min it seems rough until it gets to operating temp. also after 45 to 1hr idle to op temp. it will kill the motor most of the time when I change gears R or D. I haven't noticed during warmer days dying during gear change but I have only had it for three weeks.
Let's be realistic here... it's a $500+ distributor for a car that will have a ton of issues from sitting for so long... spend that money on GOOD tune up parts and get everything working nice and smoothly before even considering upgrading stuff.
now we need engine management with smart phone
diesels do it . My 01 ram has a tuning app built into my phone . It also doubles reading my obd 2 engine vitals too
@@markrich3271 damn that's nice
It doesn't require an ignition box like most ready-to-run distributors, butt can it be used with one?
Id rather not delete my $240 ignition box setup to add a $500 distributor
Then don't.
will this work for a 4x4 that goes on road then off road.
R L I don’t understand I mean any distributor will work what do you mean
You bet.
Wonder how it is on reliability?
Sounds interesting.
Will this work with a 68 Camaro tach.
Electric tach? Yes
How do they protect the electronic circuit from the high voltage arcs in the distributor cap ?
you really can't just keep things clean
Damn, now i have to buy one for my SBC 350 .....
Please make one for a Ford 2.8 v6. I need one bad.
Why would you not use this for EFI?
EFI already has this.
How well do the electronics hold up under heat?
hard telling this early on, my guess is not great
Ask the LS owners who have hoods full of electronics and wires. This is nothing new, Jack.
@@msubtech84 what are you basing that guess on?
Can you compare and ready run dist to this one pls thx 😊
i believe a well maintained analog distributor, will make the same power to 7500 rpm. most of us want set it and forget it technology, instead of just learning to maintain our equipment.
Can I install msd 6l2 with the distributor?
Are you talking about the 6AL2? I don't think so but am not certain. I'd definitely recommend heading over to progressionignition.com. They have a tech help form or a phone number to contact them. Thanks for watching!
Yes you can
Very cool!
Older vid, lol, but just got off the phone with them. I have a 6 cylinder, if anyone knows of a product like theirs, but for 6, can you please let me know? Thanks!!!
They used to make them for 6 inline early Chevy. I have one in my 1959 Holden. I think they stopped making due to low demand. I
You might be lucky to pick up a second hand one but I doubt anyone who has one would be willing to let it go.
How come you can't use with EFI....
You can, I just said with a carburetor because I felt that would be the area that would be most beneficial. Thanks for watching.
I don't think that would work for a Chevy L98 TPI motor.
so it takes a carburated engine one step closer to be efi
Still carbed just better control over timing. Not efi in the slightest
No. Just makes it less hassle of having to monkey with a distributor.
It needs more inputs to be better than a mechanical advance, vacuum advance distributor, tps and or vacuum.
I'd love to have the 10 degree start on my mechanically locked, Vacuum advance manifold ported HEI.
If you actually know how to properly set up the different facets of your distributor then it will work great and once done you can typically leave it alone. This electronic unit just makes setting it up much easier and faster plus it has the starter retard and rev limit built in which are nice features. I would assume the rotor is perfectly phased considering the timing is controlled electronically.....
probably work almost as good as a $180 ZZ4 HEI.
Prefiro Ignição estática no lugar do distribuidor
Am I the only one who hates weatherpack connectors? Why not use deutsch, way better connector
Nice, but pretty spendy. )
Interesting, but if it’s not really secure, anyone with a keygen can retune your car as well.
How many people are going go have something like that and the Progression Ignition app to be able to do something like that? Sorry, but it sounds like the real-world possibility of something like that happening is pretty infinitesimal. Thanks for watching.
The Horsepower Monster I gotta say I’m kinda with this guy .. what if someone jacks into your tune during a Mexico visit
@@hereinmissoula11 just put an extra on-off switch?
Jarek Nowak to turning the Bluetooth on and off on distributor or ?
Every distributor has a unique 4 digit PIN number built in at the factory. Security is not an issue.
So with this you don’t even need a timing light you just set that on your phone
Sort of. You do need a timing light to set the initial timing at 10 degrees BTDC, but once you've got that locked in you are good to go. The app can advance or retard the timing wherever you like, and at least from my testing, it is very accurate. Thanks for watching.
Dude, just borrow a timing light to set it up.
@@lollipop84858 No
They look like a way cool product. But$$$$$
24 degress of idle timing shocks me
That is with low manifold vacuum, which means you've opened up the throttle and there is more load on the engine. That helps build torque so the engine can accelerate.
Stock LS engines idle at 25-30 degrees.
Matheus Marchiori why ? Because you read timing placards on the radiator support of old cars ? Performance engines do not like to idle at 8-10-12 etc degrees of initial timing . Stock style distributors also advance timing wayyyy to late and have a huge spread inbetween initial and total advance , keeping you from running more timing at idle , as your total timing will be much to high . Any kind of performance camshaft (above approx 225-230 degrees duration) will have crap idle and throttle response with under 15-20 degrees initial .
Just built a customer hot street 383 with 252-256 @.050 and initial is set at 22 degrees 👍
@@hereinmissoula11 exactly, my initial is 21 degrees, runs like crap with any less!
Just turn the timing up until the starter Kicks back on you theb back it off! Old school method of setting high initial and low mechanical.
Foot pounds
greatingings from Burninham Alabama. I been lookin fer somting like this fer my fleetwud broham and box chevy nah mean nuga. I done been all over online lookin to get me one of them ignition cole but cant find a cole anywear. Can yall boys gimme a link to that cole so i can hookup my whip "Boxcar Willy"
Pretty soon people wont know how to open the hood , pre automated, can't even make bread. Dumbing down the world.
This company has been totally silent on all their social media for over two years. Hope you dont have a question after buying their $500 distributor. ....
Because social media is the only way to contact tech support nowadays, right...?
You could really screw up your engine though couldn't you?
I guess so, but no more than incorrectly setting your timing the traditional way by turning the distributor in the block. Or running a carburetor too lean and causing detonation. Stuff like that. Thanks for watching.
@@TheHorsepowerMonster very good points there. Thank you.
It's just too bad the owner can't be bothered to answer viewer questions on his own videos.
This is not the company's YT channel. This is just a shop that tested it.
Another piece of crap , old school lasts for more years , wake up people.
Go play with your points distributor grampy
Spoken like a true genius. Knocking something you know nothing about.
So, I suppose I have to contact progression to get tech info huh? CAN THIS UNIT BE USED WITH THE MSD DIGITAL 6AL BOX? I'M THINKING THAT THEORETICALLY IT CAN, BUT WANT TO KNOW WHY IT MAY NOT. I'm wanting to perhaps do it, because I don't see how the module under so small a cap has the hardware to generate spark all the way to 10,000 RPMs.
But If i can take that allegedly hotter spark from the MSD to 10,000 RPMs, instead of the claimed 3000, that would be fantastic!
DID ALOT OF LOOKING INTO THIS BUT, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU LOSE YOUR PHONE OR SOMEONE ELSE HAS THE SAME APP?
The distributor comes with a four or five (I can't remember off-hand) pin number that is unique to each unit. So if you lose your phone you just download the app to any bluetooth capable phone or tablet, upload your personal pin and you are good to go. If someone else has the app, they cannot connect to your distributor unless they know your unique PIN. Hope that helps, and thanks for watching!
@@TheHorsepowerMonster ONE MORE QUESTION IF I MAY?....What if I want a big/small block chevy small cap distributor? Did not see them on your website?
So you're worried someone might hack your timing curve?
@@65sohc I'm going to hack your timing curve, and make it better just to blow your mind
Can I retain my MSD digital 6al
Can you use this on a regular 350 sbc engine????
yes