Van Halen Did Not Give Michael McDonald Writing Credit For His Work on VH Album 1984.

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  • Get ready to be blown away by this little-known fact: Michael McDonald, the legendary singer-songwriter known for his soulful voice and hits like "What a Fool Believes" and "Yah Mo B There," actually contributed to the writing of a track on Van Halen's iconic 1984 album. And what's even more shocking? He wasn't given credit for it! It's a fascinating story that sheds light on the complex inner workings of the music industry, and you won't want to miss it.
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  • @buzzcrushtrendkill
    @buzzcrushtrendkill 3 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    Well now, isn't that interesting. "I'll Wait" also has Ed's best solo, in my opinion.

    • @MichaelJWane
      @MichaelJWane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Funny, because that was one of the few he pieced together on tape!

    • @Twobarpsi
      @Twobarpsi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Love that solo too.

    • @DennisDom
      @DennisDom 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      best solo!!! You're high af! 1st album is the best and has the best leads Period! Eruption come on man! WTF?

    • @Fearzero
      @Fearzero 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@DennisDom Oh you mean only your opinion and tastes are valid? Pffft. Egotards are a dime a dozen.

    • @DrewMIATL
      @DrewMIATL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No way is that solo better than Secrets or Push Comes To Shove

  • @parose1457
    @parose1457 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    They told McDonald "We'll fix it and get back to you"
    He replies "I'll wait".

    • @OutOnTheTiles
      @OutOnTheTiles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I see what you did there.

    • @buddywilliams5650
      @buddywilliams5650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good One. Now the cat's out of the bag. 38-37 years later. It's time to give Michael McDonald his royalties off of, I'll Wait. It's funny in a way how many people called for help and knew the right guy Michael McDonald.

  • @TheMrskydog
    @TheMrskydog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +221

    I guess Van Halen "kept forgettin" to credit him🤣

    • @ralphfurley4217
      @ralphfurley4217 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good one

    • @christianvanhorn8446
      @christianvanhorn8446 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I see what you did there! :-)

    • @tony69em
      @tony69em 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cleverly Cool

    • @chalkbunt81
      @chalkbunt81 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah, they were " on their own".

    • @edwardbanda6018
      @edwardbanda6018 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is a reason, and these guys are not telling the truth.

  • @jaymonster125
    @jaymonster125 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    Now, I hear the chorus of "I'll Wait" in Michael McDonald's voice. This may be a permanent change...😳

    • @n0tk0sher
      @n0tk0sher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I hear it. Sounds great.

    • @darrenbrown896
      @darrenbrown896 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @dbltrplx McDonald didnt sing! He wrote some of the lyrics to ILL WAIT! So no, you didnt hear it actually. Lolll

    • @darrenbrown896
      @darrenbrown896 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@n0tk0sher McDonald didnt sing!! He wrote some lyrics to ILL WAIT. So actually you DID NOT HEAR IT lollll

    • @n0tk0sher
      @n0tk0sher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@darrenbrown896 I know that. I meant I could imagine him singing it in my head. I grew up on the Doobie Brothers and Van Halen, and I probably know a lot more about music than you.

    • @darrenbrown896
      @darrenbrown896 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@n0tk0sher well you may want to clarify that in your response Mr Know It All ;)

  • @timburleson1078
    @timburleson1078 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Wow! This is why "I'll Wait" is my favorite song on the album.

    • @buddywilliams5650
      @buddywilliams5650 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree, it's a very catchy tune. I like the whole CD/Album. No filler's needed.

    • @timburleson1078
      @timburleson1078 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@buddywilliams5650 I agree also. That was a great one.

  • @Vinion51
    @Vinion51 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I’ll wait is my all time favorite Van Halen song. It’s just so powerful.

  • @jameshartwell4345
    @jameshartwell4345 3 ปีที่แล้ว +208

    Dang. If your name is Mike, your screwed when dealing with these guys.

    • @theelectrodefunhouse4651
      @theelectrodefunhouse4651 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      If your last name isn’t Van Halen you’re screwed with these guys.

    • @christopherdunn317
      @christopherdunn317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ya mike's last named was changed by Dave not van halen brother's if you remember Dave didn't want Ed to get married ether looks bad for the band.

    • @charleshendrix232
      @charleshendrix232 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Now that was funny

    • @hhale
      @hhale 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@christopherdunn317 Eddie married Valerie in 1981 and Dave was kicked out of the band a few years later. Married life didn't really change his bad personal habits (smoking, drinking, etc.). So there's a real argument to be had whether or not marrying Valerie was all that good for the band or Eddie.

    • @robertgruhlke9928
      @robertgruhlke9928 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😬😅

  • @JerryCherryBand
    @JerryCherryBand 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wow! I can now hear Michael McDonald sing "I'll Wait." in my head with that soulful voice. Classic.

  • @thegoouch
    @thegoouch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I keep forgetting……. to put your name on that song!

    • @MikeConde
      @MikeConde 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      🎵You don't know me but I'm your writer🎵

    • @sunsetsoundrecorders
      @sunsetsoundrecorders  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MikeConde 😂😂

    • @joevining2603
      @joevining2603 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MikeConde that got me laughing out loud (and singing the line)

    • @MikeConde
      @MikeConde 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@joevining2603 I'll never sing the original again :-)

    • @digitalmarketinglab8294
      @digitalmarketinglab8294 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      GOOD ONE!!!

  • @stoneagedjp
    @stoneagedjp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The more I watch videos like this, the more I realize how much popular music relies on teamwork.

  • @stevec4178
    @stevec4178 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Would love to hear Michael sing I'll wait!

  • @kickinvideo333
    @kickinvideo333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I've got 1984 on cassette from 1984, CD from 1985, and 180g vinyl remaster (ca. 2012) and none credit Michael McDonald

  • @tenbroeck1958
    @tenbroeck1958 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I just knew it was I'll Wait. The style was so left field for them. Cool song.

  • @adrianlyord5300
    @adrianlyord5300 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Makes a lot of sense , it does have a R&B sound to it ! " I'll Wait" is a good song! Michael McDonald is a great singer/ songwriter so it definitely makes sense that he helped those guys in the studio with ideas and lyrics, etc. Great video!

    • @asnark7115
      @asnark7115 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      McDonald is a decent songwriter, with a lean towards the goofy and awkward. As a singer, he's embarrassing to listen to like a priest farting during a sermon.

    • @billtmarchi4320
      @billtmarchi4320 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Saw a story where they said that Michael Mac said he made more money on his 1/5 writing credits on that song than he made on all his doobie brothers songs.

    • @Nitromessiah
      @Nitromessiah 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@asnark7115 have you been deaf all your life, or just since your first radio? MM wrote the SONG OF THE YEAR grammy winner, and has the voice of a god.

    • @wesleypratt7735
      @wesleypratt7735 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's an excellent comment, but Van Halen had an r&b sound from the beginning. The vocal part in 'I'm the one' and 'ice cream man' especially.

  • @ForceMaximus84
    @ForceMaximus84 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Now, I need to hear Michael cover the song.

  • @TerryWrightMusic
    @TerryWrightMusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting stuff! Thanks for the interview!!

  • @emporium597
    @emporium597 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Now every thing makes sense. I was introduced to VH via their 1984 release but more specifically the single, "I'll Wait". As someone who was raised on gospel and R&B, I loved the harmonics in the song I'll Wait and no one did harmonics better than Michael McDonald. It by far appealed to my young ear more than any other song on the album and is a song that I still very much enjoy to this day.

    • @druidmechanics
      @druidmechanics 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a good song, but if you listen closely you may notice that curing the chorus the F in the vocals clashes with the F# in the keyboard. Once you hear it it's like a pebble in your shoe.

  • @nitemareman1
    @nitemareman1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'll Wait has always been one of my absolute favorite VH tracks. The first VH record I ever heard was 1984. I was 11 years old.

    • @TheMarcusQuin
      @TheMarcusQuin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same here on all three counts. 1984 was my first VH experience, side 2 was my first ‘deep dive’ into an album and I’ll Wait always my favourite track. I picked up the cassette on my 11th birthday in 1984. 🤘

  • @mirasolbalaga5616
    @mirasolbalaga5616 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I’ll Wait is one of my favorites of theirs. I think it’s so cool and unique, I think more for Eddie’s brilliant instrumentals and the attitude in Roth’s singing

  • @sdime9858
    @sdime9858 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I'll wait was always my favorite song off of 1984 , I like the fact the got Michael McDonald's help the song turned out great

  • @fearsomename4517
    @fearsomename4517 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I love "I'll Wait" I guess I'll never learn

  • @MatGurman
    @MatGurman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love seeing this room again. I’ve spent time in both sides of the glass in the late 70’s, days of S. Asher : ).

  • @garyleesjukejoint9510
    @garyleesjukejoint9510 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Really enjoying this interview.

  • @ralphfurley4217
    @ralphfurley4217 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Knowing this now, "I"ll Wait' chorus doesn't sound like Roth's phrasing or note choice at all. I can hear Michael McDonald singing and writing it now. Makes sense.

    • @thetruthchannel349
      @thetruthchannel349 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ill have to listen to it now. Ive never even heard that song. It comes on and I just hit stop on the record player and put on something else.

    • @blahzay_
      @blahzay_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@thetruthchannel349 why wouldn’t you just listen to the song? Weird 😄

    • @thetruthchannel349
      @thetruthchannel349 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@blahzay_ *Ya its weird they put such a boring song on a record but Van Halen never were known as good writers course until Hagar joined who was a pretty decent writer in that environment.*

    • @thetruthchannel349
      @thetruthchannel349 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blahzay_ I finally listened to it. Its got some cool synth work in it. The lyrics are so bad it made it hard to listen to. The A part of the chorus is pretty good. B part of the chorus is a huge let down. Its better than I thought it would be but its not a track I could sit around listening to. I can get why people like it.

    • @edwardbanda6018
      @edwardbanda6018 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Roth is just a charismatic singer and the stage presence, he actually does rendition songs. Tell us how he did on his solo take off? Sorry but when producers come out of the woodwork after EVH passing and try to condone their credits of Van Halen against a straw-man of Eddie Van Halen who no longer speaks on his own behalf. well the ridiculous stories fly around...unbelievable.

  • @alanjamesh.zamorano1677
    @alanjamesh.zamorano1677 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I love Alex's drum sound on that song overall, it's so punchy. The synth bass doubling the string bass was a nice touch. And I think it has one of my favourite guitar solos done by Eddie.

    • @AndyNyle
      @AndyNyle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah the solo is very pagey, physical graffiti era

    • @evankeal
      @evankeal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Alex's electric bass drum sound is one of the most powerful sounds in rock music.

    • @BRO77TX
      @BRO77TX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      His fills throughout the song are awesome and can be used as a teaching tool for beginning drummers!!

    • @gregorybarnett9096
      @gregorybarnett9096 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@evankeal in my opinion, 1984 is the best sounding and mixed drum sound of ALL VH albums. I wish they would've used the same recording technique in the Van Hagar albums. His fills are so clear on 1984, whereas to me, they never got a better recording of his drums since. And i didn't care for the electric drums on 5150 at all. I still think it's a great album. All of the Van Hagar albums are great. I just wish his drums were as crisp and clear sounding on the Hagar records as was 1984. But to each their own. To me, there is no such thing as a bad Van Halen record. But I admit VH3 was their weakest, even though I call it a good album. Just not great. But some great ideas and moments. Whoever mixed and recorded Gary Cherone's voice should've been fired before this album hit the shelves. Their LIVE version of their VH3 songs sounded way better than the album's studio version of said same songs. Way better. And the VH3 tour was great because they played several Roth and Sammy era songs plus like 5 off of the Gary Cherone album. But every other VH album is a GREAT album. To my ears anyways!!!

    • @markgabriel5797
      @markgabriel5797 ปีที่แล้ว

      Roto toms with black dots and SM57’s and a Simmons kick drum sound

  • @sammyvh11
    @sammyvh11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Its a dam shame Al doesnt sit down and do podcasts more often. RIP Ed

  • @standarddef8769
    @standarddef8769 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    When someone speaks in this manner I just think "dude spit it out already!" 0:41

  • @famachris
    @famachris 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I used to read all the Van Halen interviews, and I’ve known this for decades. Either Dave or Ed discussed this after 1984 was released, but my recollection was that Ted was also producing either a Doobie’s record or McDonald’s first solo so Mike contributed the chorus in a brainstorming session. I thought he just happened to be there, not that he was called to rescue. It’s so obviously a McDonald hook - once you know you it - you always hear it in his smokey voice. At least I do anyway. Now that’s a dude that can really write for piano.

    • @diannaMV
      @diannaMV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Here's the excerpt from Chap 12 of Ted Templeman's book:
      “Dave couldn’t come up with a melody or lyric to go with Ed’s keyboard track.
      I was stumped, too.
      Then Dave approached me with an idea. He said, ‘Hey Ted, can you asked Mike McDonald of he’d be willing to take a crack at this with me?’
      I’m not sure Dave and the other guys appreciated what a coup this was for them. Mike was one of the most successful songwriters in the recording industry. He's written hits as a solo artist, as a member of the Doobies, and with stars ranging from Carly to R&B superstar James Ingram. At the time, Quincy Jones, who had done Thriller with Michael Jackson, wanted to produce him. Everybody was after him.
      So one early fall day [1983], the three of us met at my office in Burbank. We played a tape of the demo. Mike sat down at a keyboard and he and Dave began touching ideas off of each other. The way I remember it, Ed has the chorus written in chords, but Mike came up with the chorus melody, the song title, and contributed to the lyrics. After months of getting nowhere, Mike's input paid immediate dividends. That’s how ‘I’ll Wait’ became a song.”

  • @joshtaylor4583
    @joshtaylor4583 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Not getting credit in the music world happens a lot.

    • @MM1717mm
      @MM1717mm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      in the graphic design biz too ... one day im gettin a lawyer

    • @smartfart9003
      @smartfart9003 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ace Freley stealing Sebastian Bach's riff.

    • @jerryware1970
      @jerryware1970 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Many artists ‘forget’ to acknowledge borrowing other’s ideas.

    • @smartfart9003
      @smartfart9003 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jerryware1970 And in doing so rob the creators of what can amount to loads of money. I'm not a fan of the current copyright law, but that is what it boils down to.

    • @Scyllax
      @Scyllax 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The words to “Margaritaville” were written by a country songwriter named John Benson from Phoenix, Arizona.

  • @chrisbrumbaugh9936
    @chrisbrumbaugh9936 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Never knew this, I'll wait is one of my favorite songs while driving, I don't know why..

  • @Rushmore222
    @Rushmore222 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Without ever hearing about this story, as soon as they said Michael McDonald and 1984 "I'll Wait" immediately popped into my head.

  • @g.m.6417
    @g.m.6417 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Ozzie & Sharron were king’s🤴at not giving credit or paying their musicians.
    There are quite a bit of seedy characters in the business! Including the musicians! Greedy people!

    • @jamesradcliffe3985
      @jamesradcliffe3985 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I think its been fairly well established by now that Sharon Osbourne is an absolute snake in pretty much every way.

    • @Fearzero
      @Fearzero 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yup Jakob Dylan says the other artists he had to deal with were far worse than the music industry people behind the scenes.

    • @davidrice3337
      @davidrice3337 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Okay lets hear facts or examples-
      2nd hand info isn't reliable-
      I think the guitar players who come up with the iconic solos should get a writing credit- I don't know how one would document such a thing-
      I've read the sax player wanted a credit for the Icon solo on Baker's Street- but Gerry's recordings show he first played basically the same melody on guitar but Mr Rafferty didn't like the feel - man, talk an underappreciated talent- Gerry Rafferty- that Dude was an anvil- many layers to him

    • @thetruthchannel349
      @thetruthchannel349 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Fearzero Man, artists are just doing a different kind of sleaze for other reasons and there is no music industry anymore. Its all ran by Wall Street. The 'music industry' is just smoke and mirrors to hide the grim reality from the public who'd be disgusted if they knew the truth. Oddly, enough the music industry didn't die by natural causes. It committed suicide 30 years ago & it did it on purpose for some of the dumbest reasons imaginable which makes me think there was more going on than what appeared to be going on. Now, it makes perfect sense. At the time, it was VERY, VERY odd and I don't know anyone who's been in the music biz for 40 years who doesn't agree with that. They shot themselves in both feet. The real question for me is WHY did that really happen? There were so many shady things going on between 92 and 97 behind the scenes with record labels & publishing companies all going out at the same time and changing hands. As far as capital goes 91 and 92 was the financial peak for the music biz. Then suddenly the bottom all falls out and 'Grunge' becomes the fall guy but that doesn't cut it because any moron could have predicted that. Then a fews years later they sell out to Itunes because of the really bad decisions made which I believe were INTENTIONAL in the early to mid 90s.

    • @Fearzero
      @Fearzero 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@thetruthchannel349 You're preaching to the choir. Interesting fact; Richard Branson sold Virgin records in 1992 for 1 billion dollars. Talk about fortuitous timing of the market!

  • @kawasakiwhiptwo5821
    @kawasakiwhiptwo5821 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nicolett Larson is also singing with Dave on Could This Be Magic. (?) from Women and Children First.

  • @dspencer1201
    @dspencer1201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Ted told Ed he hated this song, he said it reminded him of Hold Your Head Up by Argent. Ed couldn't hear the similarity but I get what Ted was saying.

  • @lansingdoesbusiness9356
    @lansingdoesbusiness9356 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Seeing the title of this about MM and I knew immediately what song it was.

  • @miket.220
    @miket.220 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Man, Michael McDonald really is on everything!

  • @momb7791
    @momb7791 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I've always been a VH fan but less so the more I hear about how they treated their bassist

    • @fordhamdonnington2738
      @fordhamdonnington2738 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It gets worse, read runnin with the devil by manager Noel Monk

    • @paulcurie1235
      @paulcurie1235 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Everybody whinin and complainin about how Anthony was treated. Here’s a fact most people do not know. Every bass line and all recorded bass on EVERY VH album except the first is Eddie. Now that you’ve been educated, your opinion will change.

    • @momb7791
      @momb7791 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No I'm afraid my opinion does not change. Anthony is in every video and was on every stage.

    • @JJ-oe9wc
      @JJ-oe9wc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@paulcurie1235 WRONG

    • @JJ-oe9wc
      @JJ-oe9wc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@momb7791 You can't believe what some random has to say

  • @Nitromessiah
    @Nitromessiah 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Before MM passes, someone should track him singing "I'll wait" and put it over the instrumental track. THAT would be epic.

  • @buddywilliams5650
    @buddywilliams5650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    People would have freaked out on 1984. If they seen the the music and lyrics are. Edward Van Halen, David Lee Roth Michael McDonald. The Van Halen Brother's needed a spark of inspiration from a former Doobie Brother. It's funny also because the Doobie Brothers and Van Halen recorded for Warner Brothers. Imagine the royalties off the single I'll Wait? I would be a little upset also, if I was Micheal McDonald. Must be a Brother thing? What A Fool Believes. Great Story, thank you Sunset Studios.

    • @MegaSammy70
      @MegaSammy70 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They both had the same producer Ted Templeman.

  • @michaelmichaels1850
    @michaelmichaels1850 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I'd love to hear Michael McDonald sing it.

    • @hawkpantera9425
      @hawkpantera9425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hell no

    • @TheMrskydog
      @TheMrskydog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "I'll wait, but I keep forgettin" 🤣

    • @jarviswatson143
      @jarviswatson143 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You'll have to settle for Run To The Hills. th-cam.com/video/lyCE8DVIOs0/w-d-xo.html

    • @asnark7115
      @asnark7115 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good gawd, WHY??

  • @lgnfve
    @lgnfve 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    wow, amazing story. I dont usually like stuff like this but wow. now Ed is gone, we need to document as much as possible about VH. here in my town, st louis, VH sold out three nights on the 1984 tour. I was only a kid but I had never heard of anyone doing anything like this before. sure, Taylor Swift does this now, but back then, wtf lol. VH was not a concert, it was an event. Kshe95 banner contests, waiting all night outside in line for tickets and rushing the stage when the lights go out. was a moment in time, when you try to tell people now how huge VH was, they just can't understand. no one was like ed and there never will be another.

  • @ArizonaBasement
    @ArizonaBasement 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I bet I know why they (VH) didn't want to credit Michael McDonald - it would have affected their "party till you puke" image with their fanbase and they didn't want that... :^(

  • @brownsounddesign
    @brownsounddesign 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I'll Wait is a really good song!

    • @Fearzero
      @Fearzero 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I find it a bit zzzzzzzz

    • @dmitryowens
      @dmitryowens 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Definitely - haunting and grooving at the same town, and some of Dave's best vocals.

    • @buddywilliams5650
      @buddywilliams5650 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Fearzero That guitar solo is a real Zzzzz 💤😴. Not! That's a great Guitar 🎸 solo and song overall. I'll Wait, is not Girl Gone Bad or Drop Dead Leg's or Panama. Even the other 😴 💤 tunes such as 1984, House Of Pain, Hot For Teacher, Top Jimmy even Jump.

    • @Fearzero
      @Fearzero 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@buddywilliams5650 You're definitely in the minority lol.

  • @myersonline
    @myersonline 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    You're seriously asking how Van Halen could do that? Really? The guys who screwed over David Lee Roth, Sammy Hagar, AND Michael Anthony? The Van Halen brothers know no loyalty. They're talented as hell... but that's about it.

    • @dwh7434
      @dwh7434 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You got right. They knew what they were doing. Another jive move by the brothers.

    • @ckatheman
      @ckatheman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      On the other hand all Van Halen members got writing credit on every song….

    • @stevelimbert6846
      @stevelimbert6846 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ckatheman Not any more

    • @davidpatuto
      @davidpatuto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ed rearranged ‘Beat It’ by Michael Jackson and played the guitar solo and never asked for a writing credit for it.

    • @LoyalOpposition
      @LoyalOpposition 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Michael Anthony never wrote a song. He said he would videotape Eddie playing bass and duplicate it. I think the Van Halens wanted Wolfie in the band. It's their name. Read what Michael said about Roth after 1984..

  • @SleepySlimTV
    @SleepySlimTV ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would love to hear Michael McDonald do a performance of this song. Is there a recording of it somewhere?

  • @cygnustsp
    @cygnustsp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is so freaking interesting, i love it thank you

  • @drzecelectric4302
    @drzecelectric4302 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Controversial take: I’ll wait solo is my favorite evh solo.

    • @LoyalOpposition
      @LoyalOpposition 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's one of Eddie's Top 5.

  • @toddfrank3344
    @toddfrank3344 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Given what we've seen of how the Van Halen brothers have treated other people, this isn't surprising, unfortunately. Eddie and Alex could be ruthless. On the other hand Eddie guested for no fee on Michael Jackson's Beat It, so go figure..

    • @chuckprice4541
      @chuckprice4541 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It might have been free but he got loads of credit where it was due.

    • @toddfrank3344
      @toddfrank3344 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@chuckprice4541 True dat, no doubt. Plus, now that I think about it, due to Van Halen's royalty contract I think he had to do it for nothing or split what he made with the others in the band (I'm sure he did NOT want to share any proceeds with Dave).

    • @crnkmnky
      @crnkmnky 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@toddfrank3344 Whatever the reason (no moonlighting policy, royalty split, no pop policy), Eddie didn’t want the band to know he was doing it.

    • @toddfrank3344
      @toddfrank3344 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crnkmnky Yah, although kind of difficult to conceal even if Beat It hadn't become a hit.

  • @letmeadow4729
    @letmeadow4729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This channel is f uckjng awesome!!!!

  • @RJReda
    @RJReda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Legit one of my favorite low key VH songs

  • @mikenickels8043
    @mikenickels8043 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This news is so old why all of a sudden are there so many videos on it?? Any average Van Halen fan knew this 20 years ago.

  • @elsongs
    @elsongs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Wait wait wait wait wait, I did not see this in an episode of "Yacht Rock."

    • @osanic
      @osanic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Backlash to Yacht Rock - th-cam.com/video/w2fuPzipmks/w-d-xo.html

    • @fordhamdonnington2738
      @fordhamdonnington2738 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok,I’ll wait

  • @raypowers8083
    @raypowers8083 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would pay a premium for a copy of the demo with MM singing what became I'll Wait!

  • @andybaldman
    @andybaldman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Sunset Sound recording channel has tape hiss in their audio from 2021???

  • @viniciusmarcilio3194
    @viniciusmarcilio3194 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where’s that tape now??

  • @Plymouthmusicschool
    @Plymouthmusicschool 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I always thought that Melody sounded nothing like Dave anything Dave would’ve ever written

    • @soulfuzz368
      @soulfuzz368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly the same for me. I always kind of liked it but it never sounded VH to me.

  • @danielfronc4304
    @danielfronc4304 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Even more interesting is that The Bee Gees, of all people sonhwriters all, were having trouble with the intro or a hook with one song (I think it was The Edge of The Uniiverse). Serious writers block it was, and their producer ran into McDonald in the recording building and asked if he could help them past where they were stuck. He did, and yet didn't receive a co-writer's credit. He pitched a fit (rightfully so) and it was "settled out of court" with amongst other things, McDonald getting a co-writer's credit. I mean they sold over a hundred million units/streams worldwide but couldn't hive him a simple co-writers credit. Cheap, money grubbers or too full of pride perhaps.

  • @threeleggedman
    @threeleggedman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I first heard it I thought the song was going for the Genesis sound. It reminded me of Abacab and the treatment on Phil's voice.

  • @ET5150
    @ET5150 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Need a Donn Landee interview

    • @stevebernhard7653
      @stevebernhard7653 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He's been deceased for a long time.

    • @sooparticular
      @sooparticular 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stevebernhard7653 what????

  • @Madkre8tor
    @Madkre8tor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I for one find it hilarious that Van Halen stiffed ol' Mushmouth for writing credit. Way to go you maniacs.

  • @crazeyjoe
    @crazeyjoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Van Halen brothers did not want to publically name Michael McDonald. The "reasoning" they had their mindset was that may have alienated their fans by being aligned with an artist who was known for 1970's soft rock.

    • @kingtrance6826
      @kingtrance6826 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How do you know? It’s a theory anyway…

    • @crazeyjoe
      @crazeyjoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kingtrance6826 This is per articles that I've read in the past on this very subject.

    • @tomhathaway4941
      @tomhathaway4941 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think they would be proud to have someone of McDonalds talent credited, especially Eddie, hed have no problem with it, he was great friends with Lukather, Schon. etc.., this wasnt about Eddie i dont think,probably more Roth if it had ANYTHING to do with the band, dont see Eddie pulling that with McDonald in a million years, just sayin

    • @musclemass4026
      @musclemass4026 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tomhathaway4941 It was Roth who asked Templeman if he could give McDonald a call, per Ted himself.

  • @ricksolis3942
    @ricksolis3942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wow, you learn something new everyday...thanks for the info.

  • @ObsidianLife
    @ObsidianLife 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I immediately thought it would be "I'll Wait"...

  • @thevirgil1722
    @thevirgil1722 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Any one else curious to hear VHs perspective on this??

  • @muldoon67
    @muldoon67 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Curious if it was a case of him not getting his name printed on the album label/cover (possible oversight) or Was it more that he was not gonna get paid (more deliberate)?

    • @thetruthchannel349
      @thetruthchannel349 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He probably got paid. There was also probably a settlement over him not getting credit. In the age of the internet that would have blow up into a huge thing. Back then things like that happened all the time. Read what happened with Sheryl Crow's break-out album. I have nightmares about that situation. I do. That was REALLY bad.

    • @wignersfriend2766
      @wignersfriend2766 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "I'll Wait" probably has paid McDonald a nice royalty the last nearly four decades, so yeah, it is about the money. And rightfully he should have received credit for royalties and had his name on the album cover as a songwriter!

  • @donkkong5551
    @donkkong5551 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I don't blame him one bit. You cut your neighbor's grass you expect to be paid.. Michael Mcdonald is just as cherished as VH by the way both of these greats were the soundtrack to my youth....

  • @ArtGuitarLTX
    @ArtGuitarLTX ปีที่แล้ว

    i knew it was "I'll wait" before they even said it lol.. What a great song.

  • @gl3605
    @gl3605 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely in my top 3 VH songs.

  • @Deadbeatradio
    @Deadbeatradio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Heard and or seen the movie, The Wild Life? Eddie, Alex and Don Landee are all over the soundtrack. Real cool

  • @Dayna092
    @Dayna092 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the book that they're referring to?

    • @crnkmnky
      @crnkmnky 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Looks like the bespectacled man on the right is Greg Renoff, author of a Ted Templeman autobiography, as well as _Van Halen Rising._
      There’s a longer video linked in the description, but they should’ve explained that in the video as well.

  • @fireside007
    @fireside007 ปีที่แล้ว

    YOU ~ ROCK ! ! 🤛

  • @ArvidNielsen
    @ArvidNielsen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dunno what I’m missing here - checking the credits in the Apple Music lyric, a Michael Anthony is credited along side Eddie and David?

  • @tasteapiana
    @tasteapiana 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I guess I'm not alone in being bummed that it isn't a story like - Ed was so hip and cool at that time that he worked with Michael Jackson and Michael McDonald - instead it seems that Ed had nothing to do with it collaboration wise and just OK'd it after the fact. I always thought McDonald working with Van Halen was a bump to their credibility and a massive boost to their cool factor. I can't be alone in thinking that. That any of them got stumped now and then just shows that they are human and is a testament to how complex some of the arrangements really are, especially those that juxtapose intricate changes and rhythm parts with slick dead simple choruses. Also, I never heard anyone spell out Ed's comments at that time such as ''We just lost our lead singer, man :')'' which he reiterated many times after. Could it have been that in Ed's mind Dave was having too much fun in Templeman's inter-artist interludes - maybe because of the McDonald interaction(s)?

  • @crnkmnky
    @crnkmnky 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It seems that “oversights” like this happen a lot with artists who print “I wrote and performed everything on this album” (um, except for that one thing). I would _like_ to think that’s why Michael McDonald wasn’t credited, especially if Dave and Ted failed to inform Eddie.
    The Jacksons’ 1978 album was written entirely by The Jacksons… except that “Blame It on the Boogie” was written by _Mick_ Jackson from England. 🤦🏿‍♀️

    • @robchell9196
      @robchell9196 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eddie got nothing for the ‘Beat It’ solo.

    • @Roy_1
      @Roy_1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@robchell9196 I'm not sure he really wanted anything for it, I think he kind of aspired to be a pop star and was happy to be there. He should have been credited on the album at the very least, but as soon as you hear it you know who it is.

    • @MatGurman
      @MatGurman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It happens a lot. Especially to Michael McDonald. He’s such a nice guy, I’m sure he is chill about it. His sound is so distinctive you can always find him even when he’s uncredited. Soul bomb!

  • @ROCKNROLLFAN
    @ROCKNROLLFAN 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    But Michael McDonald should have still received credit for basically writing the song because the chorus is the hook.

  • @WillHal1000
    @WillHal1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    MM: Guess I'll wait for VH to give me the music credit I deserve.

  • @RyanInLA
    @RyanInLA 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll WAIT... for these guys to get to the point!

  • @kennyblackbird5794
    @kennyblackbird5794 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Al Van Halen claimed Dave " couldn't sing for sh*t" when he first joined the band.

    • @sco3putt
      @sco3putt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He was right. Sammy blows him away vocally.

    • @Fakename70
      @Fakename70 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You left out the bit where Roth came back to audition after he fine-tuned his vocals and actually put the work in to LEARN how.

    • @thomasdaugherty472
      @thomasdaugherty472 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Like he was the only one who could possibly know that and it wasn't obvious to anyone who has ears that function. Dave had a cool "parlor trick howl" that was unique and it worked great at first. Michael Anthony made up for what Dave lacked when they harmonized. He lost his ability to sing anything years ago. It's just a cabaret lounge act now.

    • @kennyblackbird5794
      @kennyblackbird5794 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thomasdaugherty472 I've always thought he had a pretty good singing voice. Nice baritone and a mid range tenor banshee "howl" . A mix of R&B, R&R stylistics with of course that Jim Dandy like persona.

  • @m00ndawg
    @m00ndawg ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If there were reservations abt keyboards not fitting with VH style its not unthinkable that there were discussions that Michael McDonald didnt either. Its show business. People contribute all the time on songwriting, and arrangements and dont recieve credit. Especially producers. Mike got paid thats the main thing. If he wanted credit in print he should've contacted his people to arrange the terms before going to Teds office. It was Teds idea to call him so you can bet it was Teds idea to leave his name off the album. Ted was a lot more than a producer. He was a savy businessman.

  • @MaverickGrabber71
    @MaverickGrabber71 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I didn't catch if they said how long it took to update the credits in the liner notes. Need to check my copy. Wish I still had the LP that my wife had when we were dating. I noticed Tidal has McDonald listed first in the writing credits.

    • @MaverickGrabber71
      @MaverickGrabber71 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Liner notes on my CD do not include him. Just says "All songs written by ... *list of band members*"

    • @crnkmnky
      @crnkmnky 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MaverickGrabber71 I would _like_ to think that Michael McDonald wasn’t credited because they simply _forgot_ to add “except for…” 😏
      Maybe Tidal lists songwriters in alphabetical order…

  • @pm2819
    @pm2819 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    You’ll wait till the settlement comes down.
    Van Halen
    😎

    • @totigerus
      @totigerus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No way you’ll get paid now!

  • @snakefinger
    @snakefinger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    In the long run Mike would have to wait.

  • @user-iu4vc4hx1z
    @user-iu4vc4hx1z 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At least EVH was honest when he said Michael McDonald taught him everything he knew ;)

  • @WineSippingCowboy
    @WineSippingCowboy ปีที่แล้ว

    The 1st printing of 1984 said "written by Van Halen". I have the LP. 💿 The correction did not happen until the 2000s.

  • @SuperQdaddy
    @SuperQdaddy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Still waiting...once on a lifetime

  • @onetruthmediacompany
    @onetruthmediacompany 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, I never knew this.

  • @Captain_Zero_
    @Captain_Zero_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    On the apple music app it still does not give Michael Mcdonald credit for I'll Wait.

  • @danielh9252
    @danielh9252 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Ted Templeman doesn't get enough recognition for the number of great songs and records from a pretty diverse range of artists.

    • @daviddalziel884
      @daviddalziel884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Absolutely! Everyone from Captain Beefheart to Doobies and Van Halen and beyond and they all sounded great !

  • @davoshaunessy7481
    @davoshaunessy7481 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that song

  • @markshaver3814
    @markshaver3814 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'll wait reminds me of Phil Collins. I would love to hear him sing it!!

  • @ChromaticHarp
    @ChromaticHarp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Apple Music Credits Eddie, Alex and Micheal Anthony for I’ll Wait!

  • @aleksik4028
    @aleksik4028 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'll Wait great tune.

  • @WhyTheHorseface
    @WhyTheHorseface ปีที่แล้ว

    Michael says he wrote the entire lyric and melody for that tune. At 52 minutes into Michael’s interview with Dean Delray he talks about it.

  • @m00ndawg
    @m00ndawg ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If u ever wanna hear a great bluegrass twist on I'll Wait check out Strummin' With The Devil The Southern Side Of Van Halen. Blue Highway nailed it.

  • @randalclarke5487
    @randalclarke5487 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems like I read about this a while back

  • @flix4u
    @flix4u 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting story

  • @barruzza
    @barruzza 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The guy with the glasses has a book? Who is he and whats the title of the book??

    • @crnkmnky
      @crnkmnky 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Looks like the bespectacled man on the right is Greg Renoff, author of a Ted Templeman autobiography, as well as _Van Halen Rising._

    • @barruzza
      @barruzza 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks!

  • @stopthehate1749
    @stopthehate1749 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together for the hottest band in the world.... VanDoobie!

    • @JDCUSA
      @JDCUSA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🥁

  • @23skidoo46
    @23skidoo46 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I thought Nicolette Larson did some backing vocals one of VH's tracks?

    • @glengamble526
      @glengamble526 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She did…COULD THIS BE MAGIC on Women And Children First.

    • @duanesealy3592
      @duanesealy3592 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She did it as a favor to Eddie for playing on her song can't get away from you ted Templeman produced her album and nicolette was the maid of honor at Eddie's wedding when he married valerie

    • @dmitryowens
      @dmitryowens 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I love her vocals. Her version of Lotta Love is so beautiful.

  • @careful__Icarus
    @careful__Icarus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    VanHalen just "Keep Forgetting" to credit Michael.