The Buried Mysteries Of The Gotland Mass Grave | Medieval Dead | Timeline
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- Tim Sutherland and the team make a return trip to Sweden, where they hunt for clues to a battle that took place on the island of Gotland. They travel battlegrounds and battlefields, towns and villages, churches and burial grounds to search for clues hidden in the bones of the dead from medieval time.
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Valdemar II died in 1241, so he can hardly have burned Visby in 1361. What the producers of Timeline should know is that it was Valdemar IV who burned Visby in 1361.
Very interesting, thanks for the upload!
I can barely imagine the shear terror the defenders experienced defe defending their land and homes. Poor people that suffer in armed conflict anytime in human history. This doc was so good to watch.
I have stand in front of that 700 years stone cross.. remembering it was an weird vibe in the whole aria.. this docu really explains why.
It’s just as savage today as it was then. Most of the population back then was accustomed to a brutal and short life & the concept of quarter was very rare.
I could not imagine it...the horror of it. One thing is consistent through throughout history.....the poor get the worst of it and none of it was of there making. Savage then...and still savage now...
Two words. Stay armed.
Interesting. I knew about the betrayal of Visby, the battle outside the wall and how the leaders refused to help the people defending the city wall. But I didn't know some of these things.
For sure, never heard 20% of the population were lesbians!?
I'm from Sweden but never heard of this. Now I have even more reason to visit Gotland!!
Knowing history is power for the future
Timeline always produces quality doc's. It would be very nice if they'd also show the continuation of this episode. I understand there is such a program where they finally did find the mass graves. Thank you.
Here's the whole thing th-cam.com/video/TxkgBDaVsP0/w-d-xo.html
@@daneaxe6465 Thank you Dane!
Ya unfortunately they don't follow up on a lot of studies. Like the "syphilis enigma" which is still being shown but has been thoroughly debunked by now ( it theorized a possibility that venerable syphilis was actually brought from the old world, which was a good question to study but since shows not to hold water)
If Timeline produced quality productions, they should have known that Valdemar II died in 1241, so he can hardly have burned Visby in 1361. The fact is that it was Valdemar IV who burned Visby in 1361.
@@riddick7082 Well, what's one Valdemar more or less between friends? Those Roman Numerals are so tricky to read.😇
I actually lived in Gotland and att one point in ’Mästerby’.. very interesting video 🙂
im double related to the invaders...sorry about THAT...whoa! see comments ...
@@doesthisfacemakemelooklike535 It’s not your fault.. imagine if you have to make amends for any ancestor who made a mess. 😄 also.. I’m not from the island, just lived there for awhile.
I would love to visit Visby and walk the battlefield area.
So you were a goth masterbyter in your younger days?
"A medieval battle was a fight for your life, literally."
All battles are literally a fight for your life!
Even more so being point blank with the enemy. I can only imagine how much worse the PTSD might have been -- people constantly murdering each other face to face.
@@synergygaming65 I remember hearing a line in a documentary about how some veteran crusaders might fly into fits if they heard pots and pans clanking around.
No they arent
@@debbylou5729 explain.
@@robo5013 no, you explain how all battles are literally for your life. They arent
The Visby graves gave us more knowledge on medieval arms and armor than any other site. Normally the dead were stripped of arms and armor, at Visby the dead were buried in their armor. Maybe the conquerors we're moving too fast to take time to strip the dead.
Probably too hot and decomposition sets in quick , so mass grave .
@@mountainholler290 too hot? In Sweden?
@@dutchboy9273
The battle happened in mid- to late- July, right smack dab in the middle of summer. Yes it's Sweden but still hot nonetheless.
@@Tam0de hot for a week or two?
@@michaeljarvis5489 Mediaeval Warm period, part of why it was so rich - farming. Notably warmer than it is now.
I wish they would have shown more of the museum. But great doc.
I wish it were not this way. Unfortunately we have robbed too many countries culture and arts to even pretend to put together. Most of the greatest things are buried underground for over a century.
A local Texas friend of mine was getting grave marking from stones from local abandoned family graveyards they are only about 100 years old. They were covered with brambles and trees.
ok
Hope you don’t mean your uncle was actually Collecting them 😳
The friend was cataloging and making copies of the grave stones and markers in the poor people and community cemetery areas; before they were eroded and gone from acid rain. Nothing illegal, but very brave.
@@kathleenmann7311 in rural Texas, you'd be surprised how many of these family grave areas there are. I remember running across two just trail riding around my cousin's 800 acre farm in Texarkana. Nobody knew they were there-- they had been abandoned. About 6-12 or so gravestones each IIRC.
Cool to see this cus im from Gotland.
Great video, however. I would have expected History Hit not to use a thumbnail of the Battle of Rocroi in 1643 for a video concerning the battle of Visby in 1361.
Good work by experts. It would be great if someone could find the mass Graves of the battle of hastings or even any Graves.
Or the battle of Rochester castle and the other Danish invasions before that, where the Danes killed any English lord and his people if the signed the truce against King Richard.
This is only one of 8 episodes of the series Medieval Dead. There was another episode that focused on the mass grave that was found outside of the city. I watched is on Amazon Prime earlier this year so it should still be there.
Seen that one. They get into analyzing what made the wounds to the bones. The variety of armor was interesting. When you look at a skeleton which had both legs hacked off with one sword stroke, it really makes you look a "ancient" weapons differently. They noted a lot of leg injuries to the Gotland remains. They didn't have leg armor so the Danes & Germans went low to take out legs.
I don't understand why they can't put some kind of wooden structure with a small roof over the top of the cross to keep some of the rain and elements away from it to preserve it a lot longer cuz it said it's historical object
Too many wars, too many momuments, this place has been killing eachother for thousands of years.
@@FuckGoogle2 that's got nothing to do with trying to put a cover over it to preserve it from any further damage
@@mikebaird6788 Cost, maintainence, building permits. It was raised to be out in the elements, how about just respecting that decision?
Cost, probably. A structure like that has to be maintained, and it would obscure the monument itself and probably be an eyesore. Plus, it's a piece of rock. There's much older monuments than that one standing outside all over the place. They can't put a roof over all of them.
Great documentary!
History was brutal. Absolutely brutal.
Nature is brutal, and war is an extension of Nature.
And that's why Americans want change and hide its brutal history.
Very well told
History. Adore learning.
Fantastic 👍🏻
Interesting introducing of Gotland Mass Grave video
This is saddening -
thousands of Danes against basically helpless villagers. My thought was could they have met the Danes on the shore - but how could they, out numbered, out weaponed. It's a sad history.
It’s always been the same throughout written history and beyond. Certain people rise above others in technology and armaments,then want to expand their territory. It’s a never ending process of power,control and wealth.
Typical female perspective. Purely emotional.
@@clvrswine considering strategy was the first thought, I'll agree that it is normal female response. Go play a war game. This is in reference to reality and emotion or rather the human element must be considered.
@@clvrswine to many XX archaeology types these days
sorry... honestly...but..MY GRANDFATHER Leonard Emmett Smith is Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark's second cousin 23 times removed.
Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark
→ Sophia of Minsk
his mother → Queen Consort of Sweden Ryksa Bolesławówna of Novogrod
her mother → Casimir II the Just, High Duke of Poland
her brother → Konrad I of Masovia
his son → Siemowit I
his son → Boleslav II.
his son → Książę Trojden I ks. Piast-Mazowiecki, książę
his son → Eufemia Mazowiecka
his daughter → Przemysław I Noszak, Duke of Cieszyn
her son → Margaret Felbrigge
his daughter → Helena Tyndale
her daughter → Sir Thomas Tyndale. Kt.
her son → Sir William Tyndale, Kt.
his son → John Tyndale
his son → Margaret Wright
his daughter → Thomas Taylor
her son → Thomas Taylor
his son → John Taylor
his son → Col. James Taylor, of King & Queen
his son → Mary Pendleton
his daughter → Mary Gaines
her daughter → Rev. Henry Pendleton Gaines
her son → Catherine Waggoner
his daughter → James Waggener
her son → Martin Franklin Waggoner
his son → Jones David Waggoner
his son → Viola Winifred Smith
his daughter → Leonard Emmett Smith
her son
He's not wrong, Gotland has been a depopulated backwater ever since. Far from the rich lands that spawned the goth migration centuries earlier.
But most of that is due to a combination of regional geopolitical instability and technological progress in ship construction and food preservation.
When the trading ships got big and fast enough to make the entire trip from St.Petersburg to Germany and Denmark without need to resupply, then Visby lost it's place as a trading and resupply hub, and the wealth of the northern silk road that used to pass through it, just passed it by instead.
@@SonsOfLorgar Not to forget the great plague of 1350-1352, only about a decade before the Danish invasion.
wow good work
interesting stuff
It must be really something for the locals searching there to come across a grave and realize it could be one of your relatives you have discovered
Fun fact: Ötzi - the man that died 5000 years ago, still has blood relatives living today in the same area he did.
@Andrew Burkinshaw:
It is! New historical facts are found every year. There is still much more to be discovered.
Omg all that cool mid evil battle metal stuff in that box. From the field.. that is way cool!!
That wasn't Mid-Evil century battle metal! It was metal from from other times that they had to go through to get to the Mid-Evil artifact's. It could have been nails & other metal from the 1950's or even 1990's.
Its Medieval, not mid-evil
Love you all!
I live in Stockholm but my ancestors all originated from Gotland since the 1600th
Timeline good show
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I imagine the Gotlanders walking that field felt like I did walking the battlefields of Virginia from the Recent Unpleasantness.
What was the recent unpleasantness?
@@BCSoHappy I would guess he is relating to American Civil War, 1861-1865. Similar human carnage.
@@BCSoHappy a trump rally
@@orchunter8388 lol! I wouldn't give the US neofascists that much credit just yet
@@BCSoHappy So far the only war the USA has managed to win without allies. ;)
Wild
A nightmare beyond words.
Pulling up that Farmers nail crop! how rude!
lol
Another misleading title. Majority of content not about the Gotland mass grave. No "buried mysteries," revealed.
4:51 these captions are hilarious!
The fact the town doesnt have any written history on it says a lot.
these presentations are just brilliant. i'm a cat-loving history hound... for me, this is like swigging unblended scotch.
The captions.. oh my.
I wonder if the Archeologist thought about using drones or Google Earth. Didn't a young man discover another pyramid in the jungle?
Digging Up Worthless Non-Medieval Nails in Gotland | Medieval Dead | Timeline
Tim Sutherland and the team make a return trip to Sweden, where they walk around in fields with metal detectors and find nail after worthless non-medieval nail. After more than forty minutes of this, hear Tim Sutherland try to sell the idea that not finding stuff is just about as important as finding stuff. It's not, though. It's the opposite of that.
The closed captioning of "Valdemar" was turned into "Voldemort"... Hehehe.
But this was very interesting. I haven't seen any other documentaries about Gotland. I'm going to have to look now.
One wonders what current world would look like, had not humans been as territorial & aggressive throughout documented history. Would the tipping point of population been reached centuries or millennium prior, without mass battle deaths/disease/breakdown of resources?
Or, without any natural or natural warring aggression, would we have found a balance long ago?
Maybe something more similar to Native American or Aboriginal tribes? Just staying at the same level of technology for thousands of years. With that lack of focus on technology and desire for "new" stuff comes natural death from things that are now easily prevented which balances population. I think evolution and natural selection has a part to play in that though. The most warlike and greedy rose to the top because they wanted to control the resources. The wars led to technological advance. And here we are.
We would not be as advanced or successful and would probably have been exterminated by another human species like Neanderthals.
Thanks!
The captions seem to malfunction🤣👏👏 where was that?
At 29:52 if you see the red spec of fungus marking the spot on the head where someone got hit possibly… I was wondering if there’s any skull in correlation with it? (if you take a photo of the cross and turn down the brightness, up the contrast, down the shadow, and down the vibrancy and temperature just a little you might see what I see)
Why a 19th century illustration of a 17th century battle-scene in the announcement of an incident of the 14th century ? ? ? So sad.
A bigger mystery is how I didn't know of this channel.
Sad that it's holding their secrets but I don't believe that the cross is just there.
They had a good reason for placing it there.
Or moved hundreds of meters due to plowing.
look for the companion cross
MY GRANDFATHER Leonard Emmett Smith is Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark's second cousin 23 times removed.
Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark
→ Sophia of Minsk
his mother → Queen Consort of Sweden Ryksa Bolesławówna of Novogrod
her mother → Casimir II the Just, High Duke of Poland
her brother → Konrad I of Masovia
his son → Siemowit I
his son → Boleslav II.
his son → Książę Trojden I ks. Piast-Mazowiecki, książę
his son → Eufemia Mazowiecka
his daughter → Przemysław I Noszak, Duke of Cieszyn
her son → Margaret Felbrigge
his daughter → Helena Tyndale
her daughter → Sir Thomas Tyndale. Kt.
her son → Sir William Tyndale, Kt.
his son → John Tyndale
his son → Margaret Wright
his daughter → Thomas Taylor
her son → Thomas Taylor
his son → John Taylor
his son → Col. James Taylor, of King & Queen
his son → Mary Pendleton
his daughter → Mary Gaines
her daughter → Rev. Henry Pendleton Gaines
her son → Catherine Waggoner
his daughter → James Waggener
her son → Martin Franklin Waggoner
his son → Jones David Waggoner
his son → Viola Winifred Smith
his daughter → Leonard Emmett Smith
her son
How nice to be able to trace your ancestry. I think knowing where and from whom you came, knowing that without them you would not be here.
Thats very cool, but I dont know why they are talking about Valdemar II, the gotland campaign was taken by Valdemar IV ''Atterdag''
...and what have we learned about battles? Nothing it seems as it continues to this day. We have learned nothing about life. Ask the Ukranie. Thank you, this was a great presentation.
There is money to made in war. It's not that we haven't learned anythin, it's that greed trumps knowledge.
I prefer today's Danes to those in 1361.
My main group of ancestors lived on Bornholm for centuries. They were a rowdy bunch compared to my Norge side. When Christianity/Roman Catholicism arrived the Vikings didn't stop their violent ways. They just raided and invaded under a different banner and for different reasons.
If Ash and The Thirteen Warrior went back in Time to Pre-Rennaisance France, would they battle the Medieval Dead?
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G.o.t no gragons though
Such a horrible, painful way to die. They were brave
I love the reddish stand-in, fore corpses. He makes me smile.💝🙏🕯
#no dragons
What’s under the stone cross ?
The Mastaby cross will have the same words as the Visby cross "- In the year of our Lord 1361, Tuesday after St James’ Day, Gutnish fell into the hands of the Danish before the gates of Visby. They are buried here. Pray for them!" But change Visby to Mastaby.
* Mästerby (not "Mastaby")
Plus, wrongly dead spirits, like serfs that were betrayed and locked out, might still haunt areas that trees would/can cover(?).
Umm... no.
Also, the Gotlandic militia were not serfs, they were free, land owning farmers who chose to die defending that freedom and their property rather than submit to a foreign king.
There are plenty of ghost stories in the city, but none about the mass graves or the battle itself.
The only one related to the invasion is the old story that claims that the daughter of a local merchant who became the Danish kings mistress and alledgedly betrayed the fact that the bog the local militia counted on as flank protection, had, in fact dried out that summer, and thus enabled the massacre of the first battle at Martebo.
For that treason, she was alledgedly walled in alive in one of the waterside towers of the city wall once the Danish king had sailed away and is claimed to haunt that tower still with wailing cries in vain for her king and lover to return and free her...
@@SonsOfLorgar *Mästerby (not Martebo)
I wonder if the Dead Marshes LOTR was inspired by the Gotland Mass Grave
More likely inspired by Tolkien's own experiences of WW1.
Yet another episode with MUSIC TOO LOUD.
So there were no mass graves ever found? You'd think they could explore around the grounds of the local churches if those were the most likely areas. It seems they never did that. Also I wonder why they didn't do the radar and other imaging first around the cross figurine before all, but I'm only amateur.
lol they didn't find anything. probably found practice bolts, if thats what they even were. the sword handle looked like a welded hexagon nut... common on farms... idk. i feel like it was a big nothing burger. you would find crossbow bolts near homes... they found many many nails... whatever i guess.
There was an excavation in the 1930's of at least 2 mass burial pits. Then a later one(?) Any rate, another burial pit was identified next to the last one excavated. Last I knew they haven't excavated that one. There is another doc that focuses on the wounds, armor and other aspects of the excavations. Tim Sutherland was the lead guy on that doc.
You are correct. There appears to have been NO testing around the cross. Nor did they use laser imagery to scan the cross for letters. Very amateurish but using a light at night makes good tv. Had they stuck to the actual archaeology instead of posing unsupported speculative nonsense, it may have been actually interesting. All they've done was 'use' the local archaeologists to pad their pockets with a subpar video.
Tl/Dr: nothing much found. Speculation with backing music and people in historical costume supplied instead.
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MY GRANDFATHER Leonard Emmett Smith is Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark's second cousin 23 times removed.
Valdemar II "The Victorious", King of Denmark
→ Sophia of Minsk
his mother → Queen Consort of Sweden Ryksa Bolesławówna of Novogrod
her mother → Casimir II the Just, High Duke of Poland
her brother → Konrad I of Masovia
his son → Siemowit I
his son → Boleslav II.
his son → Książę Trojden I ks. Piast-Mazowiecki, książę
his son → Eufemia Mazowiecka
his daughter → Przemysław I Noszak, Duke of Cieszyn
her son → Margaret Felbrigge
his daughter → Helena Tyndale
her daughter → Sir Thomas Tyndale. Kt.
her son → Sir William Tyndale, Kt.
his son → John Tyndale
his son → Margaret Wright
his daughter → Thomas Taylor
her son → Thomas Taylor
his son → John Taylor
his son → Col. James Taylor, of King & Queen
his son → Mary Pendleton
his daughter → Mary Gaines
her daughter → Rev. Henry Pendleton Gaines
her son → Catherine Waggoner
his daughter → James Waggener
her son → Martin Franklin Waggoner
his son → Jones David Waggoner
his son → Viola Winifred Smith
his daughter → Leonard Emmett Smith
her son
Darn! No dragons?
Damn Danes..
Got damn
nice one
i ment the 4th
Why is the back ground music so loud, dont you want people to hear whay your saying
Folks might have erected the cross at a crossroads for maximum visibility.
Those trees are very green?? Are they growing on some iron rich medium like blood…
Trees don’t need iron to grow
@@soniaalvarez543 , actually it’s one of the necessary elements for plant and animal life; or my PhD Soils teacher was making us memorize it and a couple dozen elements to torture us(?).
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The Visby Wall could keep a peasants army out, but not a King with a rented Professional, German army and "modern weapons" for a siege. I suppose that King Waldemar gave Visby a "Mafia Offer" to keep out of the war, and after all no love excisted between the farmers and the town, as they had fougth a Civil War about 20 years before, I think to remember?
The civil war was about 80 years before (around the 1280s), and part of the reason why the town wall was built in the first place.
It is so bad that it is being so much houses builded on the Island though. It is a crime that it is being build so many houses on Gotland. Very much evidence must been DESTROYED and vanished because of that. I do not think they check the areas where they want to build the houses before they build them. Gotland is the place in the world with most treasures. The most unique viking place and it is so much treasures and old houses in the ground. But then the tourists and other modern buildings is created there. It is for sure so much things that being destroyed because of them. IT should be forbidden to build before check the ground first. It is a historical Island. With such a unique history for the world of the human history. I do not like double moral. It should be surtain rules and structures of how to treat the nature on the Island. Gotland should be marked as a culture place. The nature is unique too with the flora and insects. So respect Gotland. It should be treated right. The treasure Island. The island hides so much still so to check with a metal detector should be a fact before exploiting the nature more. It is terrible to ignore Gotland. Be careful with the Island. See but not touch before checking the ground as a routine. Welcome to Gotland, the treasure vaggon. So much more treasues to find there. The nature is very rich on different flowers and insects too. A very good video for the world to see. I wish it was longer. Gotland is majestic. Thank you very much.
The land is for the living…not the dead. What would they even think of the idea?
Vikings suck. Why would anyone want to remember anything about the savages. Leave them forgotten in a horrible past. They came. Raped pillaged burned innocent farmers and villagers. Orcs. Marauding orcs. Like russian orcs are doing in Ukraine. Who wants to remember baby rapers.
Wrong. New structures on most parts of Gotland requires a geophys radar scan at minimum before building permit is granted.
No construction gets building permission without an archaeological ground check first, of course. We are not stupid...
The background music is terrible.
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What's wrong with the background music?!!
I thought the music was great, very appropriate. 🤷♂️
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It's the sign of the old Teutonic Druid cross of the old Suncult . They offerd their horses alife by hanging them from a tree ,to their god .
Got Land?
..want some?
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I didn't that had been Vikings Vs Goths cool.
Vilings vs. Goths sounds like that would be interesting!!
Chickens on grill still a bit rare
he was valdermar the 3
UMMM. not true the Gotlanders did not stand as one, the damn merchants closed and locked the gates to the defenders, that's why the battle happened where it did. There are a-lot of people very interested in History, it's much harder now to pull one on them.
Most of the merchants weren't Gotlanders but from other parts of Europe. This video is only a small portion of the documentary series. It explains things better in the full doc. The series Medieval Dead was on Amazon prime, I watched it earlier this year so it should still be there. There were 8 episodes and I believe they spent 2 on Gotland.
Visby was a Hanseatic League city. They were not even Scandinavians, mostly Germans. They almost never allowed the Gotlanders inside the city walls on a normal day. Visby at that time didn't have any association with Gotland other than being a physical location.
@@daneaxe6465 oh, I didn't say what nationally the merchants where.
@@robo5013 oh, I didn't say what nationally the merchants where.
@@adamtaylor7412 What does that have to do with anything? You said, "UMMM. not true the Gotlanders did not stand as one, the damn merchants closed and locked the gates to the defenders," which implies the merchants were Gotlanders. Which they weren't. That is what I pointed out. I also pointed out that this was the second of two episodes talking about the invasion of Gotland and it was explained in the other episode what happened at the city. In this episode when it states that the Gotlanders stood as one they were referring to the 1st battle, the one that took place in the field where they were looking for mass graves in the video. No one was trying to "pull one" on anybody.
Why the F .. do every one of these archeological expeditions have like 1 week before .. the weather sets in lol ..
misleading title..no massgraves.
Or you might just push the enemy into a narrow place between two woods and get stuck in the mud and peppered with arrows....
Which isn't possible on a summer dry Gotland.
@@SonsOfLorgar If you know more/have local knowledge, then fine, accepted. I just found it funny how having woods at your back was presented automatically as a bad thing.
There was no mud that hot and dry summer of 1361.
@@Quzinqa1122 Sure, thanks, see my reply above.
Dead not debt
the defenders may not have been able to bury their dead. They lost and the invaders dominated the field of battle.
damn you danes!!
sorry sorry...its in the blood...
where is gotland
I know Danny Gott .
those are farm fields plowed for years,wouldnt there be a great knowledge of artifacts already? they act as if they are the first peoples to look for stuff?
Its MÄSTERBY not "Masterby"... Mäster (Champion/skillful/specialist) - by (village). Masterby is half English and half Swedish... sloppy to say the least. So either call it Mästerby or Mastervillage.
Voldemort huh.
We think of the Danes as a progressive, peace-loving people, but I think it's best that we don't test their patience.