Going rageblade doesn't remove the problem of going overcrit. They patched that a while back. It caps the damage from guinsoo's on hit to 200 and you correctly only gain more lifesteal from crit after that 200 damage on hit level on rageblade. You could have kept IE if you really wanted to and it wouldn't have made a difference. EDIT: Also, you always want cutdown on senna, not coup. She has THE lowest base health in the game. Cut down would have easily done 5-5.5k this game.
oh also you can't build IE and rageblade at the same time right? so he couldn't keep it if he wanted rageblade anyways or do you always get the Lifesteal from exceeding crit anyways?
So champions that can spawn their own minions, as in malz and bel veth, their minions can drop souls as a small chance. Also another fun thing about senna is the side quest for senna and lucian to kill thresh, it is even more free scalin
Yeah, but lasthitting the minions lowers their chance to drop a soul. So you are better off letting them die on their own or have someone else hit them.
So, I'm curious. The "pets or minions, voidlings, etc" that bel veth and Malz spawn do have a chance to spawn souls. Is the chance higher if an ally minion kills the pet or voidling? Ok, so the voidlings and pets generate 2g per kill. However, the souls generate 8g. Would it be worth it in a sense of allowing the percentage chance to allow an ally minion to kill the voidlings or pets? That's to say not oye would it have a higher percentage soul drop rate but the gold value would be nearly equal if minions were allowed to make the pet or voidling kills? Just a thought. I don't specifically know the math behind all the drop rates.
@@scottbaird9829 Right the short answer is yes it probably would be worth it. Some "pets" are specifically known as "minion pets": Tibbers and Daisy are controllable minion pets; Malzahar's voidlings and both of Yorick's summonable pets are examples of uncontrollable pets. I believe Heimerdinger and Aphelios' turrets can also be used to spawn mist wraiths, I haven't checked; same as with Zyra and Illaoi. I also think that you might be able to get multiple stacks of mist from killing zac. His passive blobs count as minion pets, and you're also guaranteed to spawn one when he dies. As all of these can theoretically (I haven't checked) spawn mists, at a 20% greater chance when allies kill them, then it is likely worth it to allow your minions to kill them. Especially if you consider the extra gold value from the stacks as well. Might edit this with some maths later.
I love Phantom Dancer for the ms you get when you autoattack, which you would also like Zwe. I think instead of Runaan you might wanna try it too next time, insane for sticking and kiting back as well
Her AAs are weird. They technically aren't counted as ranged attacks bit at the same time are, they go through yasuo wind wall where the ruunans doesn't, also ruunans projectiles are alot slower to hit and late game, you are WELL out of range for them to activate
@@alexanderkuczaj2583 that was actually my main reason to main Senna for a while: could almost make my entire combo to a yasuo and it would just ignore his stupid sh*t
7:40 Suppression disables summoner spells (was specifically designed to make sure you can't summoner cleanse Malz and Warwick ults), so Barrier wouldn't have worked regardless. You'd need to have used Barrier beforehand, which, against Malz...
bruh :/ wish I knew this before I ran cleanse against a mordekaiser on a bet :D Thought cleanse worked on his ult (also counts as supression.) Granted I still won after rushing qss, but the cleanse was literally only useful for removing his ignite
Yeeee Runaan's Senna finally made it in~ I've suggested that a couple times haha It's really good when you want to pump out more heals in a teamfight, too.
32:28 well without the rapid fire Extension you need 180 souls to outrange the Tower..... I had too much time IB practice tool Funfact it used to be 140
@@cemrecanoguzhanylmazcilek878 I totally think is a glitch, when braum recalls I think it appears to be jump home, maybe the model starts jumping in mid?
They actually landed all their spells and attacks perfectly, with minions on their side agroing him too. Its just that he was too high level above them and too big with items at the same time already.
33:03 the nononono was the same as clvlend brown from famly guy when piter destroy his house while he takeing a bath and sliding off the secend floot xD that craked me out
My favorite senna build is bruiser senna. Frostfire, black cleaver, manamune, with some armor boots or merc treads and you're deceptively tanky, with mist stacking you get ad and crit chance so crit items aren't even very necessary
Something not many people do on senna, is go over the crit cap to get more lifestealling, would love to see a video of that and get a lifesteal + crit build. Pretty sure you can reach near 100% at full build
Try a 6 Active Items build on a tank like Rammus, Singed, Volibear, Maokai, or Sion. Predator Boots, Turbo Chemtank, Gargoyle Stoneplate, Randuin's Omen, Zhonya's Hourglass, and Redemption. Bring Ingenious Hunter too for CD on the item actives.
Going till I see it, Tank talon. Stride or Iceborn, Thorn, Hydra, Cleaver, Then your choice of Gage or Maw. If you're feeling like going extra tanky though a Dead man's or a Visage isn't a bad choice. Your choice of runes with Grasp or Conq too
I got about 300 in a game and I had lethal tempo and rapid fire cannon my range was so long it was basically the edge of my screen, the full build and stacks I was about to like 2 shot the enemy caitlyn
You can't barrier while malz ulted for the same reason you can't cleanse the malz ult. It is a suppression and you cannot use summoners while suppressed.
I run senna as a speedster for roaming and supporting all lanes, since the build is mostly tank u can poke them for souls…ad grows faster with storm so building ad is useless also no one can catch u not even hecarim
as far as i understand, senna gets more soul drops from minions when she doesnt lasthit them. i wonder if there is some kind of meta, where you intentionally let the casters die without lasthitting them to increase the soul drop rate and get to your range upgrades faster. the AD, crit chance and additional range and little bit of gold you get from the souls might be worth more than the lasthit gold from the caster minions.
It's weird that noone refers to the souls as the mist. Riot did a good pun there IMO. They're the mist "missed' CS.
That is pretty good xD. But we all got Thresh on our minds with soul collecting
What a mist opportunity
@@markoconnor9711 good one! 😂
OMG, I never realized that. My life is complete.
how does it feel reaching this hard
9:19 Dianna did not walk in a straight line my friend, but indeed sidestepped it.
Going rageblade doesn't remove the problem of going overcrit. They patched that a while back. It caps the damage from guinsoo's on hit to 200 and you correctly only gain more lifesteal from crit after that 200 damage on hit level on rageblade. You could have kept IE if you really wanted to and it wouldn't have made a difference.
EDIT: Also, you always want cutdown on senna, not coup. She has THE lowest base health in the game. Cut down would have easily done 5-5.5k this game.
it caps at 183 because they changed rageblade damage to scale with crit damage and senna has reduced crit damage
oh also you can't build IE and rageblade at the same time right? so he couldn't keep it if he wanted rageblade anyways or do you always get the Lifesteal from exceeding crit anyways?
@@Shogun_38 right, you can't. Zwag tried but the game prevents you from doing it
"You could have kept IE if you really wanted to" yeah sure... except its literally impossible to have IE and rageblade on the same champ
Is this just ioki on his alt
So champions that can spawn their own minions, as in malz and bel veth, their minions can drop souls as a small chance. Also another fun thing about senna is the side quest for senna and lucian to kill thresh, it is even more free scalin
Yeah, but lasthitting the minions lowers their chance to drop a soul. So you are better off letting them die on their own or have someone else hit them.
@@BirbicusButticus ap and also armor, and scaling gets you 1:1 ratio at shield bonus from W.
So, I'm curious. The "pets or minions, voidlings, etc" that bel veth and Malz spawn do have a chance to spawn souls. Is the chance higher if an ally minion kills the pet or voidling? Ok, so the voidlings and pets generate 2g per kill. However, the souls generate 8g. Would it be worth it in a sense of allowing the percentage chance to allow an ally minion to kill the voidlings or pets? That's to say not oye would it have a higher percentage soul drop rate but the gold value would be nearly equal if minions were allowed to make the pet or voidling kills? Just a thought. I don't specifically know the math behind all the drop rates.
@@BirbicusButticus the big deal of it isnt the ap, its the armor you get
@@scottbaird9829 Right the short answer is yes it probably would be worth it. Some "pets" are specifically known as "minion pets": Tibbers and Daisy are controllable minion pets; Malzahar's voidlings and both of Yorick's summonable pets are examples of uncontrollable pets. I believe Heimerdinger and Aphelios' turrets can also be used to spawn mist wraiths, I haven't checked; same as with Zyra and Illaoi. I also think that you might be able to get multiple stacks of mist from killing zac. His passive blobs count as minion pets, and you're also guaranteed to spawn one when he dies. As all of these can theoretically (I haven't checked) spawn mists, at a 20% greater chance when allies kill them, then it is likely worth it to allow your minions to kill them. Especially if you consider the extra gold value from the stacks as well.
Might edit this with some maths later.
New video idea - Zwag plays Senna but miss every cannon
Even better, he plays senna but doesnt farm cuz her passive is broken.
He just made that video
I need this.
mist every cannon*
When I play her in ARAM, I purposely miss every cannon because they always give a soul.
“Did Zwag Xerath get the first 6 CS?”
No, he missed a melee minion
Lose Streak: 2
Day 143 of writing here which day it is
I was about to say he missed a melee minion 😂
You're doing God's work friend.
When I first started watching zwags videos I always thought this was a counter of how many games he lost after not getting the first 6 cause tbh
3:36 - copium
9:17 she definitely side stepped
I love Phantom Dancer for the ms you get when you autoattack, which you would also like Zwe. I think instead of Runaan you might wanna try it too next time, insane for sticking and kiting back as well
31:00 the ruunans actually made the Q come faster, never saw this interaction before, I wonder why isn’t so popular on Senna
Her AAs are weird. They technically aren't counted as ranged attacks bit at the same time are, they go through yasuo wind wall where the ruunans doesn't, also ruunans projectiles are alot slower to hit and late game, you are WELL out of range for them to activate
@@alexanderkuczaj2583
They're ranged attacks. Just not projectiles. Coded the same way as Vel'koz autos.
@@alexanderkuczaj2583 that was actually my main reason to main Senna for a while: could almost make my entire combo to a yasuo and it would just ignore his stupid sh*t
@@Zaws21 it's same as lux R, Viktor Q2, and more that just doesn't care about the wind shield or Samira W.
This video really helped me. Thank you very much!
7:40 Suppression disables summoner spells (was specifically designed to make sure you can't summoner cleanse Malz and Warwick ults), so Barrier wouldn't have worked regardless. You'd need to have used Barrier beforehand, which, against Malz...
bruh :/ wish I knew this before I ran cleanse against a mordekaiser on a bet :D Thought cleanse worked on his ult (also counts as supression.)
Granted I still won after rushing qss, but the cleanse was literally only useful for removing his ignite
Did someone else noticed the ghost champ in 9:11 ?????
it was that weird gargoyle texture that's on the side wall glitching
Zwag is the best reference I have of the greates player in lol. I learn so much from u!
Omg Glen's theme from Chrono Trigger in the background, that's awesome!
Perfect Senna game. Nice one zwag.
Thanks for the great Senna vid!
Wow, I’ve not seen any senna attack so fast, it was satisfying
love senna vids, thanks for the content, keep it up😊
I started doing this build on her as a support about a year ago. Won maybe 12 games in a row. So much fun
Zwag, next pentakill say, “it’s zwaggin time”. Great vid man
So nice to see your own build in the Zwag video =)
spicy content sir, lets see that AD vlad
Nice one Zwag
Yeeee Runaan's Senna finally made it in~ I've suggested that a couple times haha
It's really good when you want to pump out more heals in a teamfight, too.
32:28 well without the rapid fire Extension you need 180 souls to outrange the Tower..... I had too much time IB practice tool
Funfact it used to be 140
9:12 can you see the braum flying for a split second? xd
i saw that too and was looking through the comments to see if anyone else noticed it, is that zwag's doing or some kind of in game visual glitch ?
@@cemrecanoguzhanylmazcilek878 I totally think is a glitch, when braum recalls I think it appears to be jump home, maybe the model starts jumping in mid?
Dangit. I was like SENNA IOKI GOT A PENTAKILL?? I always expect Zwag to get penta’s 😅. Excited to watch the video
Love ur Sniper vids Zwag
33:15 you already know the Malzahar was flaming the hell out of that Morgana for that zonyas
I'd hope not because she used all her abilities and then used it to stay alive and also proc her ult?
They actually landed all their spells and attacks perfectly, with minions on their side agroing him too. Its just that he was too high level above them and too big with items at the same time already.
Funfact it takes 600 souls to double the base attack range
33:03 the nononono was the same as clvlend brown from famly guy when piter destroy his house while he takeing a bath and sliding off the secend floot xD that craked me out
At 14:40, he hits 5 crits in a row... thats a 5% chance
At 35% crit chance (15% from zeal, 20% from stacks) it's actually a 0.5% chance. (0.35^5 = 0.005 = 0.5%)
Morg and mid thought they had zwag then bam! Comes out full HP😂😂 nasty
That was crazy
My favorite senna build is bruiser senna. Frostfire, black cleaver, manamune, with some armor boots or merc treads and you're deceptively tanky, with mist stacking you get ad and crit chance so crit items aren't even very necessary
The Heiz “COME hERE!” On the second penta was hilarious. He’s rubbing off on you
You should try attack speed Braum
9:12 braum be flying tho
22:39 Bruam flying...lolz 😂
Senna might hit from across the lane but ap xin zhao is a thing that exists
One day...
that was the best ill have to try that build some time
That swifty boots is pretty op
Zwag can u do full atack speed braum?
Something not many people do on senna, is go over the crit cap to get more lifestealling, would love to see a video of that and get a lifesteal + crit build. Pretty sure you can reach near 100% at full build
You don't need lifesteal when you can kill them before they damage you 🤣
nice gameplay bro
Great game!
That was exciting.
Penta and a Quadra in the same game, awesome man
Try a 6 Active Items build on a tank like Rammus, Singed, Volibear, Maokai, or Sion.
Predator Boots, Turbo Chemtank, Gargoyle Stoneplate, Randuin's Omen, Zhonya's Hourglass, and Redemption.
Bring Ingenious Hunter too for CD on the item actives.
yes any minion type ability/spawn can drop souls. any boss type ones also should be guranteed soul drop i believe? like annie's bear.
has zwag done lethality nasus i remember it vaguely
holy shit that outplay pentakill from zwag at 33:58
Going till I see it, Tank talon. Stride or Iceborn, Thorn, Hydra, Cleaver, Then your choice of Gage or Maw. If you're feeling like going extra tanky though a Dead man's or a Visage isn't a bad choice. Your choice of runes with Grasp or Conq too
love the vids!! Could you play Vel Koz one time??
Love senna, she has been my main for a while. also inspired by ioki
Very good game, I wonder what i0ki would think about your performance there 😁😍
Quality content
I love watch your videos. Always watch all your videos from all your channels. And you have beautiful voice!
Dat range…oh my
I got about 300 in a game and I had lethal tempo and rapid fire cannon my range was so long it was basically the edge of my screen, the full build and stacks I was about to like 2 shot the enemy caitlyn
Basically Senna: My gun is bigger than yours.
9:18 that's a sidestep my friend
Perfect champ for zwag, every missed cannon is a stack 🫢
Broo what is that range, btw nice pentakill i really like ur vids
Yeah they were from his void links! Pretty cool it does that tbh!! Plus the extra gold ;D
I fucking love Senna and the way you played and built her makes me love her even more
damn that artilery
Ioki is gonna be jealous when he sees your video 🤣🤣
You watch Braum die then end hahahaha! You swine! Sick carry btw
8:00 I wish my barrier HAD GONE OFF
zwag and Ioki
sitting on a tree
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Its funny cuz they hate each other
ioki is shooketh rn
Rageblade still gets maximum 100% crit chance to on-hit, so will be capped at at 200on-hit dmg, but if you scale AD infinitely IE is much better
How come you don’t use minions to hit the Q at extended range for extra heal + poke?
Oh,its the pentakill phase
You can't barrier while malz ulted for the same reason you can't cleanse the malz ult. It is a suppression and you cannot use summoners while suppressed.
Try again the AP Zeri Zwag.
Thanks 💪
Well I’m just glad that he reads the comments and cares
Nice vid
GOAT
I run senna as a speedster for roaming and supporting all lanes, since the build is mostly tank u can poke them for souls…ad grows faster with storm so building ad is useless also no one can catch u not even hecarim
Good game!
There can be a strat there you miss on purpose the last hit to get more souls, just last hit the cannon bcs more gold obviously
33:19 literally the same laugh reaction
Zwag at 100% crit. Also Zwag: buys another crate cloak
crit
@29:27 that was cold blooded man
33:01 cleveland, is that you?
as far as i understand, senna gets more soul drops from minions when she doesnt lasthit them. i wonder if there is some kind of meta, where you intentionally let the casters die without lasthitting them to increase the soul drop rate and get to your range upgrades faster. the AD, crit chance and additional range and little bit of gold you get from the souls might be worth more than the lasthit gold from the caster minions.
Bro really called it cut the grass
watching games like this makes me wanna play senna, then I remember I'm a jungle main and it's a terrible idea.
missed the grump soul. XD
19:48 Braum died protecting them 😭😭😭😭
Fun one
Man, what button do you press to show the range at 02:47 ?
Hold A
Zwag, do a video with vayne, mythic is riftmaker then a typical build path. I saw a video of it and got the screenshot but can't send it to you
"she walked in a straight line"
No sir, She most deff did not lol.
GG though. Love your plays mate.
Diana definitely side stepped your Q
Full AP Nami: Nashors, Ludens, Lich Bane, D. Cap, Sorcs, and Shadowflame
Cool game
33:05 Nice zhonyas 😂😂😂