I respectfully suggest you need to rethink "Real World Sled of the Year" as your catch phrase. Real world is no longer applicable. You are now fixated on highest tech, highest HP, highest performance /speed, highest everything. Whatever happened to all the other "Real World" ratings? Price, performance overall, tried and true reliability, quality of fit and finish, best resale value, etc. Not all of us (actually few of us) buy sno-checks every year. Sled of the year should be best investment for long term performance & operation, reliability and resale value. You know, "Real World".
I'm a Polaris guy but I have to say, Ski-Doo is making it harder and harder for me not to change brands. They continually impress me with their sleds and they are the number #1 sled manufacturer in the world for a reason. Congrats to them, they deserve it.
Ford has more market share then McLaren and Bugatti, but it's not an indication that they sell the best product. Doo's have alot of issues and the engines are average for reliabilty. Both the Polaris and Ski-Doo are using a very old chassis, the Polaris is 8 years old now, and the Doo is 6 going on 7. They are both showing thier age and it will be hard for them to beat out the Catalyst 860 Turbo, unless Snowtrax cares more about a $65 GPS gauge then they do actual riding.
@@burnzillablue the car analogy is dead on accurate. However, I can assure you by the time Cat has a 860 Turbo the Catalyst chassis will also be on its 7th or 8th year. Lol A NA 850-900 class engine will come long before a turbo one arrives.
So have a 23 Doo renegade xrs competition 600r and a lynx rave. I've ridden the new matryx and I just don't feel comfortable on them. With that said the performance of both the 650 and 850 is excellent, I agree with basically everything the Lester's said about all 3 sleds. The biggest difference is how a Doo feels so refined and the quality is still just a half step above Polaris.
As a guy who lives in the suburbs of NY and grew up riding offroad vehicles, but have never ridden a snowmobile in my life, i always love your guys video's about them, they look like a tremendous amount of fun..... Enjoy all of your content SnowTrax.....good stuff
They are so Fast, you have to get out and try it!! Been riding sleds since I was a child riding with my dad on the front of his Old 440 Rupp. Got my first sled of my own at 21! Gotta get out and try it, you can rent them at some stay and play places in most states that get enough Snow!
Bud I was the same way then I hopped on a skidoo formula, and in 10 minutes I understood. My best friend was telling me to get a sled for years! "Na I got wheelers and bikes I'm good." I always said. 10years later and I'm now on my 4th sled. Get an old beater and let er rip you won't regret it my man
Wow ! I have a 850 XRS , and it does everything I want so well !!! Bumps , steering , pick a line and it follows flawlessly and the the power and running quality of the 850 Etec !! It seems to get better every time I ride !! This year , I ordered a 2024 Lynx Rave RE with the 850 , can't wait for next winter !!! I think a Yamaha Sidewinder LTX LE should have made the top 3 or 5 . I almost ordered one this spring , it is a great trail sled , not as capable as an XRS or a Lynx , but for bigger trails with less tight corners and more space to run at higher speeds all day , a four stroke turbo is an attractive option .
This was one of my favorite Snowtrax videos ever! I like the way you all have different opinions because that’s how it is in the real world. I agree with most of what Luke said but can appreciate everyone’s opinion. I like the way the Turbo was described that makes sense. I’m a Polaris guy for many reasons and think it’s all personal preference.
I wish we recorded the conference call leading up to this video. I swear I didn't think we'd be able to get these three in the same room after that call 😆
Wait until next year boys. hopefully, as a Cat guy, the new Catalyst will score high marks. Can't wait to see what Cat has to offer for a big bore in 2025!! Get content folks
In before the haters with comments like: "more like trail sled of the year", "where are the Arctic cats and Yamahas?", and my personal favorite "mountains apparently are not in the real world". For my 2 cents you guys yet again knocked it out of the park this year.
To say the Polaris turbo is an expensive option, How expensive is the smart shock option? Yes, the Ski Doo is refined, but if you don't feel comfortable with the front-end handling? What is the most important thing connecting your control and feel to the snow? The front end. They are all good sleds, but the cost is getting out of hand. Snowmobiling and trail systems were developed for a destination for people and families. Warm up shelters and social gatherings. Do the math for a family of four and your top picks? How much fun is left after the purchase of these sleds. And that's just the purchase of the sleds.
A sure sign we’re approaching the end of the season! Looking forward to summer but always miss the snowmobile content that Snowtrax continues to bring us year after year! Keep up the great work guys!
No one wants to mention the part where the Polaris 850s are steadily blowing up? Friend if mine blew his at 461 miles. That's not the only one I know of but lowest mileage. Overall good video tho! I just know there's little side issues on Polaris' end that have been going on for some time but never gets brought. Snow check issues which are allegedly being handled, recalls of various sorts every year, and the lack of reliability in some cases. Love how them 850s ride and have power, but locked up at 460 miles is unacceptable. Keep the videos coming!!
@@jasonbrushett2005 oh no doubt, and fires lol. All these new ones seem to have recalls, blow up, or start on fire. Not trying to beat brands down it's just something no one talks about. For 18-27 grand for these things should be brought to the light
Skuds are grendaing at a fast pace too, like always, but poo likes to blow up first. Skidoo still can't make an engine get more than 2k without a rebuild. Just check any sale site for proof, polaris is just as bad.
I would like to see a 4 stroke version of something similar to this. I know the 4 stroke stuff isnt massive, but like the 2 strokes, there is a pretty nice selection now. All 4 manufacturers have one and they each have pros/cons.
Ski doo always had a smooth drivetrain. Way back to the formula plus days. AMEN to NO music ! Yes sir Mark. Your right. Ski doo needs a simple to use GPS for us mature people. Ski doo is the new Yamaha in quality .Ski doo Etec is my pick if anyone cares !! Great Video.
That is the best breakdown on the differences between a Polaris and Ski-Doo I have ever heard. I just bought a new Enduro but those were the questions I went through when I bought the sled.
Love the honesty and rough around the edges presentation this season. Must be really hard to choose with so many great machines now adays. I also appreciate you talking about the shortcomings of the machines. If someone is going to drop the cash it's nice to know what you're getting or not getting.
I really appreciate your coverage a lot on these sleds. Being a sledder for over 40+ years, I appreciate how technology has made the ride, the fit and finish and the longevity of the motors better and better over time. NOW... the downside, my income does not go up percentage wise like inflation and now I have been literally priced out of the market since COVID has damaged the economy in so many ways. And this runs across the board with all 8 riders in our riding group ranging from mid 40's to early 60's. These prices are not going to bring in more people to snowmobiling, but scare them away which has a trickle down effect on all the businesses that cater to sledders (Hotels, B&Bs, Restaurants, Dealers, etc.) whom are all going to lose money. Then we add in the wacky weather we have had on the Northeast side of the US where trails in New England really did not open till mid to late February. Would LOVE a new sled, but I think the way things are going, this will never happen for any of us moving forward.
I agree with you. Despite this though manufacturers are selling out of machines and in some cases can’t produce enough…. Take Arctic Cats new catalyst for example. In Canada they all MRSP for around or above $20,000 CAN. For a 600cc sled…. AC’s website states their all sold out! You can’t even order one anymore…. You would think people wouldn’t spend that kind of money on a 600cc trail sled but nope, they’re sold out! Doesn’t make sense to me. An SRX has went up $7,000 CAD in 3 model years and it’s the same exact sled for 2022, 2023 and 2024!!! Wild times we living in!
I find the 850 etec to be really snappy too,takes some real getting used too, they really like to lift the skis but I'm still a doo fan and would take one over a poo any day
Nice video guys, could feel the conviction all 3 view points! Coming from a 22 XCR 850 to a 23 Boost assault...I agree assault is a blast. but after 2 years of Polaris recalls, missed deliveries...lucky a trouble free 800 miles on my boost. I have a 24 assault boost on order but may end up getting a 24 XRS 850 with smart shocks.
This was refreshing, I really enjoyed hearing and watching your opinions and comments on the sleds. More of this! It reminded me of your old Supertrax magazines from the 90’s. The only reason I even watched this video was reading comments in a sled forum with guys saying how outspoken you were. Finally. THANK YOU! Great job guys, keep it up please. I have zero use for the professional sled media regurgitating sales info. These things are ridiculously expensive now and ALL brands are not living up to the prices they are charging.
I have a 2014 Skidoo Renegade X with 1,300 miles on it. I live in SW Michigan and never get any snow. I had not really noticed the vibrations until you guys mentioned it. Now I am very aware of it. The two things I like about Skidoo is the 4 roller Clutch and the Direct Fuel injection. I have not ridden other brands of modern two strokes.. but still think the Skidoo can get significantly better mpg. Also the 2014 Skidoos are a huge job to take the hoods off. I also have a 2006 Yamaha Attack with 3,800 miles on it. I plan in keeping the Yamaha because they are so durable. Once I get the broken skid replaced with a Team Fast Diamond air anyway. If I wanted to be King of the Lake I could put a Turbo on it. At age 62 no less I still want to race some Cross Country races.. thus I need a 600 cc sled. The Skidoo Model that is beefed up . Face it Skidoos do tend bend a bit too easy with aggressive riding.
Front end isn't as good, brake isn't as good, switch gear isn't as good, screen isn't as good outside of Commitwa, one chose it, two didn't, yet it's the Sled of the Year. 😂 thanks for the laughs.
I’m on a 23 vr1 850 and love the sled. 4,800 flawless kms this season. My brother has a 23 renegade xrs. I can agree with your guys outcome 💯 great job
You guys are pretty bang on!!! I have the 23’ renegade xrs and rode my buddies VR1. If I could take the Polaris front end and brake the sled would be DIALLED, however I like the peppier clutch engagement of the skidoo over the smoother Polaris. Makes it feel more playful.
I like your debate. It all came down to a reasonable choice and we know all of them would give its owner a lot of satisfaction. Congratulations for your video. Best of all of this kind.
Great discussion and analysis! I love and 100% agree with the comments on the left side switch blocks - I feel it is two steps backward for Ski-Doo and agree it seems like it was not designed by trail riders.
Maybe next year you could expand your sled of the year to more than just high performance trail sleds. There's other purpose built sleds that should have their own "sled of the year" category. Like Mountain sled of the year, Utility sled of the year, Youth Sled of the year, and then the category here. Performance trail sled of the year. Also, there are people that will want to know what the best 2up sled of the year is.
One thing that is minor but I really do think means a lot when your spending 20,000 dollars is the option to make your sled color fit you. With Skidoo you get one color and you will like it. With Polaris you get options for panels, tunnel, and rails & ski loops. Having that option to choose your color really is a great option. With Skidoo they were always about yellow and I can't even buy an XRS in 2023 or 2024 in yellow. You get gray or black.
Not hard to tell there was some back room brawl over this. Lol. I have a VR1 boost, first Polaris sled I have ever owned and I love it. The cornering will leave any other sled in snow dust. Let’s get Dynamics next year Polaris and you will be the king again. Great video!
As someone who has a 23 xrs Rene and has driven a 23 vr1 boost your spot on, the vr1 front end is so much better then the skidoo. I do find the throttle on the Polaris very spongy off idle compared to the skidoo.
great choice for sled of the year, this is my 50 th year of buying sleds. i enjoy watching all the walk arounds, but i guess i'm stubborn. i'lll stay with polaris
So basically skidoo got a fake win? 2 for poo, 1 for doo, that's a win for poo in my eyes. I mean read between the lines here guys. Keep up the great work, love what you guys do for the community 👍🏼
I tested the ski-doo xrs 850 smart shox and i really loved it. It was fast, responsive, confortable and easy to drive. Last year my pick was the Lynx Rave. I don’t get to test the Polaris so i am partial here. This trail sled delivers the goods and for me was my favorite this year. I think the turbo R in the G5 might take the crown in 2024.
@NSA ski doo makes a great product. Seem to be failing as much as Polaris this year. No problem with the sled of the year choice. I do believe Polaris makes the best rider experience though. I don't hear reviewers saying how much fun ski doo is but I do hear the words " a lot of fun" said about Polaris. Just my 2 cents.
@@duckdestroyer2412It’s not brand new. New plastics and mounts for engine as posted above. Otherwise, it’s a G4…. Much like the matrix is a axys with new plastics!
Bottom line if you got a few beers In to ya!!!enjoy your Polaris!!! 7S screen is worthless in Canada, the body panels, rattle and chip with the cheapest paint I’ve ever seen and you’ve paid about $5000 for 15 more horsepower but hey you’re too drunk to know the difference!!! if you’re sober!!! by a ski Doo!! For anybody that questions, my loyalty I have owned and still own an 2022 xcr and the new boost!!! dollar for dollar Polaris missed the mark!!!
I went with a 2023 Lynx Rave' after having driven most of the others, and it's still the best choice I've ever made. It's an amazing sled, it's so much fun, and the braaaping over jumps and bumps is second to none.
Next year will be an interesting year to compare sleds. Ski-Doo 850 Turbo vs Polaris 850 Turbo. Ski-Doo 2-stroke Turbo vs Ski-Doo 4-Stroke Turbo. Cat 600 trail sled vs Ski-Doo and Polaris 600 class trail sleds etc. (Just trying to plant some ideas here) I'm looking forward to it. Now off to DirtTrax for the summer.
Great Review. I think the biggest question is why won't skidoo change their front end? The front end just plain does not work as well as Polaris. For some reason they like to have the A-Arms mounting points higher then Polaris, which is really hindering the handling of the machine and throws the balance off. I ordered a 2024 900R Renegade XRS and skidoo is said to be lowering the sled a bit for better handling, but shocks and springs is a bandaid to what really needs to be redesigned and I glad you guys called it out.
I love my new 23' Polaris Indy 850 adventure 137 with all the bells and whistles. I like the feel of riding a wheelie when I gas on it, I like the almost wicked nature of it. Basically it scares the crap out of me and gets my adrenaline running! Love it!
Hmmm... the whole voting thing at the end seemed stacked against polaris being that #1 votes were split for two polaris sleds. Great video as always though.
I really value your guy's opinion. Not like I'm going to buy a new sled anytime soon as I love my new to me 21 Assault but with that said the Assault won. You guys just wanted to make the doo guys happy for once 😉
Same old same old since 2017, Properly equipped SBA comes oh so close to delivering everything the rest has, plus giggle ass off in your helmet fun... but then will go and do everything else that the others can't even come close to doing.
For the price of a new sled I'd rather spend the money on my 19's and take them to another level that a stock machine can't touch. Adding things like proper shock valving, brass bushings, aftermarket ski's , clutching etc. can make an older sled into a trail weapon. I find the stock sleds are made for the masses and not necessarily longevity. If your the kind of guy who isn't afraid to tinker and wants to ride the best , its hard to find on anything stock. Valving the shocks to your personnal riding style and weight will make a huge difference on any sled. Prices in Canada are out of control !!!!! keep what you have and make it better ! Close to thirty grand for a flagship sled after taxes is silly ! Love the reviews though guys and your my favourite winter show !
Awsome video guys! Everyone likes something different, but you guys actually have the chance to compare. I’m a Ski Doo guy period, but friends have other brands, so we trade off. One buddy had a new Polaris 850 matrix VR1. We traded, and I loved it! This year he got a new Polaris XCR 850. I couldn’t get off of it fast enough!! I’ll keep my Renegade X 900 turbo R
I no matter what I think 4 stick with Polaris, I've had good luck out of my RZR 900 xp only thing I've done since l bought it is changing the oil & etc".
I don’t like how this doesn’t have reliability factored in because most of us don’t have money to get a new sled every year and we just want something fun and reliable
I agree. I know a majority of riders love blasting down the trail and it makes for great action shots. Many trails are speed regulated and my wife and I truly enjoy exploring together on a 2up. Many new riders get their first exposure doubled up. Please don’t forget the two up crowd.
I like hearing you guys talking about the G4 850 vibrating like it was a ‘95 ZR700. Those things rattled like a dryer full of rocks. Maybe the G4 wasn’t great for vibration… but not that bad! I agree with the result here. Polaris makes good handling sleds, but ski-doo just feels like a more quality piece, and I find it exactly the same in their at lines as well. All that said, I would have gone Summit Expert 850 Turbo R for sled of the year, and I’m in Ontario!
@@romper4444 not to buy, but as sled of the year, absolutely. The Turbo R was a huge step up in performance and tons of awesome new tech this year. The quick adjust limiter strap was a brilliant game changer.
I think SnowTrax did a great job characterizing the situation. Both sleds are very expensive at the enthusiast end. The Doo is more refined, more reliable, and has better tech… but the Polaris is more fun. I went from an XRS to an XCR because I prioritized fun. Only criticism is we get more honesty at end of year than during the in season reviews. More candid, less marketing please.
It's not because we're hiding anything, it's because we've logged 3 times as many miles on these sleds than we did at the beginning of the season and our opinions have evolved.
@@snowtrax Eh, not much has changed on these sleds, guys. This was the strongest I've heard it stated just how lacking the Doo front end and brake are in comparison to the Polaris and exactly why. Exactly why is the key. You guys have a lot of influence and I /know/ you have strong opinions. Let us hear more of them!
Polaris stronger motor, better handling, better brakes, and better electronics and two out of three editors chose a Polaris model. Winner = Ski Doo. Interesting times we live in. Everyone has to get a trophy at some point.
Appreciate your passion and I know you know how much we love the Indy. The Polaris is an incredible sled but there's no denying the real world problems it had this season. Whether you're a Doo fan or not, the Renny is an exceptional sled and definitely deserved this award.
@@snowtrax Fair enough, its a great sled! I am truly passionate about the entire industry, as much as you guys are. Great product equals great competition. Would a Ski Doo XRS850 without the Smart Shock option still win the sled of the year award? Or do you think they are truly needed to put it over the top?
If you are referring to a two-stroke V-twin compared to a two-stroke inline twin. It is for several reasons. One is simplicity. Like one cylinder head, a single engine block design, etc. Two is balence, a 180-degree opposed inline twin has way better primary balence compared to a v-twin. Not to mention a significantly better firing order and lighter weight counter balences. It is like comparing an Inline 4 four stroke to a V4 four stroke. One is more common for a reason. Four strokes however is a different story.
What the « best value sled » ? SOTY is cool indeed but not many of us can afford it, so a second award going to the best value would be appreciated! Renegade 900 ACE ? Switchback SP 650 ? Backcountry 600r ? MXZ Sport 600 efi ?
@@marklubecke4854 that mus have been quite a while ago, wish I could buy a home and some land for that. I spent 3k on a SnoPro500 and I know I have just as much fun as someone who spent 20+K
I was a Skidoooer but then I rode a Polaris and cant ride other brands because Polaris is only getting better and better and they are on Top for my riding love you Guys love the show keep it up!!!!!
I respectfully suggest you need to rethink "Real World Sled of the Year" as your catch phrase. Real world is no longer applicable. You are now fixated on highest tech, highest HP, highest performance /speed, highest everything. Whatever happened to all the other "Real World" ratings? Price, performance overall, tried and true reliability, quality of fit and finish, best resale value, etc. Not all of us (actually few of us) buy sno-checks every year. Sled of the year should be best investment for long term performance & operation, reliability and resale value. You know, "Real World".
I'm a Polaris guy but I have to say, Ski-Doo is making it harder and harder for me not to change brands. They continually impress me with their sleds and they are the number #1 sled manufacturer in the world for a reason. Congrats to them, they deserve it.
Ford has more market share then McLaren and Bugatti, but it's not an indication that they sell the best product. Doo's have alot of issues and the engines are average for reliabilty. Both the Polaris and Ski-Doo are using a very old chassis, the Polaris is 8 years old now, and the Doo is 6 going on 7. They are both showing thier age and it will be hard for them to beat out the Catalyst 860 Turbo, unless Snowtrax cares more about a $65 GPS gauge then they do actual riding.
@@burnzillablue the car analogy is dead on accurate. However, I can assure you by the time Cat has a 860 Turbo the Catalyst chassis will also be on its 7th or 8th year. Lol
A NA 850-900 class engine will come long before a turbo one arrives.
In my opinion Ski-Doo does not do anything that much better than Polaris to warrant the much higher cost
So have a 23 Doo renegade xrs competition 600r and a lynx rave. I've ridden the new matryx and I just don't feel comfortable on them. With that said the performance of both the 650 and 850 is excellent, I agree with basically everything the Lester's said about all 3 sleds. The biggest difference is how a Doo feels so refined and the quality is still just a half step above Polaris.
Nvh is so much better on skidoo that its shameful. I could ride 30% further on the brp having ridden both.
As a guy who lives in the suburbs of NY and grew up riding offroad vehicles, but have never ridden a snowmobile in my life, i always love your guys video's about them, they look like a tremendous amount of fun..... Enjoy all of your content SnowTrax.....good stuff
Thanks for tuning in!
@@snowtrax yeah it was a very good show and these new sleds are all so good it's hard to pick just one as sled if the year.
They are so Fast, you have to get out and try it!! Been riding sleds since I was a child riding with my dad on the front of his Old 440 Rupp. Got my first sled of my own at 21! Gotta get out and try it, you can rent them at some stay and play places in most states that get enough Snow!
Bud I was the same way then I hopped on a skidoo formula, and in 10 minutes I understood. My best friend was telling me to get a sled for years! "Na I got wheelers and bikes I'm good." I always said. 10years later and I'm now on my 4th sled. Get an old beater and let er rip you won't regret it my man
Until you ride a sled you won't understand why people love them. They are real life rockets that can go anywhere and carry you with them.
With todays cost of riding, our ‘86 citation is my real world sled of the year.
Wow ! I have a 850 XRS , and it does everything I want so well !!! Bumps , steering , pick a line and it follows flawlessly and the the power and running quality of the 850 Etec !! It seems to get better every time I ride !! This year , I ordered a 2024 Lynx Rave RE with the 850 , can't wait for next winter !!! I think a Yamaha Sidewinder LTX LE should have made the top 3 or 5 . I almost ordered one this spring , it is a great trail sled , not as capable as an XRS or a Lynx , but for bigger trails with less tight corners and more space to run at higher speeds all day , a four stroke turbo is an attractive option .
This was one of my favorite Snowtrax videos ever! I like the way you all have different opinions because that’s how it is in the real world. I agree with most of what Luke said but can appreciate everyone’s opinion. I like the way the Turbo was described that makes sense. I’m a Polaris guy for many reasons and think it’s all personal preference.
I wish we recorded the conference call leading up to this video. I swear I didn't think we'd be able to get these three in the same room after that call 😆
Coming from BRP lovers.
Wait until next year boys. hopefully, as a Cat guy, the new Catalyst will score high marks. Can't wait to see what Cat has to offer for a big bore in 2025!! Get content folks
Lets hope for a turbo as well.
In before the haters with comments like: "more like trail sled of the year", "where are the Arctic cats and Yamahas?", and my personal favorite "mountains apparently are not in the real world". For my 2 cents you guys yet again knocked it out of the park this year.
Appreciate that and we absolutely look forward to the haters chiming in. We'll be waiting with popcorn 😆🍿
You guys used to do mountain shoot out, are you gonna do more?
@@Pascal_Robert--Rc_Creations We literally just did a mtn shootout a few episodes ago.
There's more trail riders than mountain riders so it only makes sense a trail sled would be the best.
Arctic and Yamaha are so far behind, they're not even in the conversation anymore. Just a fact, market share tells the story in real world terms.
To say the Polaris turbo is an expensive option, How expensive is the smart shock option? Yes, the Ski Doo is refined, but if you don't feel comfortable with the front-end handling? What is the most important thing connecting your control and feel to the snow? The front end. They are all good sleds, but the cost is getting out of hand. Snowmobiling and trail systems were developed for a destination for people and families. Warm up shelters and social gatherings. Do the math for a family of four and your top picks? How much fun is left after the purchase of these sleds. And that's just the purchase of the sleds.
Prices are out of control, but sleds keep selling.
Your kids and wife have no reason to be on 850 turbos or smart shox machines
@@sleddheadxp800r your right. And neither do a lot of other riders
Gordon I have to agree with your comments 100%
@sleddheadxp800r what's wrong with a woman riding a sled with smart shocks or 850 turbo? Plenty of competent female riders
Mr. Lester was quick to reply… “it is only $1200.00 USD more” … that was awesome😆😆😆.
A sure sign we’re approaching the end of the season! Looking forward to summer but always miss the snowmobile content that Snowtrax continues to bring us year after year! Keep up the great work guys!
Thank you very much for continuing to tune in! 👊💥🎉
Dont say its the end of the season
@@dgreenbluet 😢
No one wants to mention the part where the Polaris 850s are steadily blowing up? Friend if mine blew his at 461 miles. That's not the only one I know of but lowest mileage. Overall good video tho! I just know there's little side issues on Polaris' end that have been going on for some time but never gets brought. Snow check issues which are allegedly being handled, recalls of various sorts every year, and the lack of reliability in some cases. Love how them 850s ride and have power, but locked up at 460 miles is unacceptable. Keep the videos coming!!
Set of plugs at each fill up but yeah they’re good running efficient engines lol
Plenty of doo 850's with short life too
@@jasonbrushett2005 oh no doubt, and fires lol. All these new ones seem to have recalls, blow up, or start on fire. Not trying to beat brands down it's just something no one talks about. For 18-27 grand for these things should be brought to the light
Skuds are grendaing at a fast pace too, like always, but poo likes to blow up first. Skidoo still can't make an engine get more than 2k without a rebuild. Just check any sale site for proof, polaris is just as bad.
This is my fav episode, finally dropping the act and your true selves came out. Way to go boys n old man.
I would like to see a 4 stroke version of something similar to this. I know the 4 stroke stuff isnt massive, but like the 2 strokes, there is a pretty nice selection now. All 4 manufacturers have one and they each have pros/cons.
Ski doo always had a smooth drivetrain. Way back to the formula plus days. AMEN to NO music ! Yes sir Mark. Your right. Ski doo needs a simple to use GPS for us mature people. Ski doo is the new Yamaha in quality .Ski doo Etec is my pick if anyone cares !! Great Video.
That is the best breakdown on the differences between a Polaris and Ski-Doo I have ever heard. I just bought a new Enduro but those were the questions I went through when I bought the sled.
Love the honesty and rough around the edges presentation this season. Must be really hard to choose with so many great machines now adays. I also appreciate you talking about the shortcomings of the machines. If someone is going to drop the cash it's nice to know what you're getting or not getting.
I really appreciate your coverage a lot on these sleds. Being a sledder for over 40+ years, I appreciate how technology has made the ride, the fit and finish and the longevity of the motors better and better over time. NOW... the downside, my income does not go up percentage wise like inflation and now I have been literally priced out of the market since COVID has damaged the economy in so many ways. And this runs across the board with all 8 riders in our riding group ranging from mid 40's to early 60's. These prices are not going to bring in more people to snowmobiling, but scare them away which has a trickle down effect on all the businesses that cater to sledders (Hotels, B&Bs, Restaurants, Dealers, etc.) whom are all going to lose money. Then we add in the wacky weather we have had on the Northeast side of the US where trails in New England really did not open till mid to late February. Would LOVE a new sled, but I think the way things are going, this will never happen for any of us moving forward.
I agree with you. Despite this though manufacturers are selling out of machines and in some cases can’t produce enough…. Take Arctic Cats new catalyst for example. In Canada they all MRSP for around or above $20,000 CAN. For a 600cc sled…. AC’s website states their all sold out! You can’t even order one anymore…. You would think people wouldn’t spend that kind of money on a 600cc trail sled but nope, they’re sold out! Doesn’t make sense to me. An SRX has went up $7,000 CAD in 3 model years and it’s the same exact sled for 2022, 2023 and 2024!!! Wild times we living in!
I find the 850 etec to be really snappy too,takes some real getting used too, they really like to lift the skis but I'm still a doo fan and would take one over a poo any day
I think the points of having fun factor, handling, and comfort, is truly the point of snowmobiling. Low maintenance costs is a bonus. Lol😂
Nice video guys, could feel the conviction all 3 view points! Coming from a 22 XCR 850 to a 23 Boost assault...I agree assault is a blast. but after 2 years of Polaris recalls, missed deliveries...lucky a trouble free 800 miles on my boost. I have a 24 assault boost on order but may end up getting a 24 XRS 850 with smart shocks.
After the walk around videos, this is my favorite part of snowtrax
This was refreshing, I really enjoyed hearing and watching your opinions and comments on the sleds. More of this! It reminded me of your old Supertrax magazines from the 90’s. The only reason I even watched this video was reading comments in a sled forum with guys saying how outspoken you were. Finally. THANK YOU!
Great job guys, keep it up please. I have zero use for the professional sled media regurgitating sales info. These things are ridiculously expensive now and ALL brands are not living up to the prices they are charging.
I love mine!
Amen on the push to talk! Good, honest opinions in this video. Appreciate that! Good video!
I have a 2014 Skidoo Renegade X with 1,300 miles on it. I live in SW Michigan and never get any snow. I had not really noticed the vibrations until you guys mentioned it. Now I am very aware of it.
The two things I like about Skidoo is the 4 roller Clutch and the Direct Fuel injection. I have not ridden other brands of modern two strokes.. but still think the Skidoo can get significantly better mpg.
Also the 2014 Skidoos are a huge job to take the hoods off.
I also have a 2006 Yamaha Attack with 3,800 miles on it. I plan in keeping the Yamaha because they are so durable. Once I get the broken skid replaced with a Team Fast Diamond air anyway. If I wanted to be King of the Lake I could put a Turbo on it.
At age 62 no less I still want to race some Cross Country races.. thus I need a 600 cc sled. The Skidoo Model that is beefed up .
Face it Skidoos do tend bend a bit too easy with aggressive riding.
Two Polaris and one Ski-Doo, I wish the Lynx Rave RE could've been in the mix to even things out. I bet more than one would've voted on that one.
All that fluster over three snowmachines.
Front end isn't as good, brake isn't as good, switch gear isn't as good, screen isn't as good outside of Commitwa, one chose it, two didn't, yet it's the Sled of the Year. 😂 thanks for the laughs.
I’m on a 23 vr1 850 and love the sled. 4,800 flawless kms this season. My brother has a 23 renegade xrs. I can agree with your guys outcome 💯
great job
Thanks guys for another awesome season. I will see you all this coming season.
They are all so good now, it’s like splitting hairs. Enjoyed the video and the debate fella’s!
You guys are pretty bang on!!!
I have the 23’ renegade xrs and rode my buddies VR1. If I could take the Polaris front end and brake the sled would be DIALLED, however I like the peppier clutch engagement of the skidoo over the smoother Polaris. Makes it feel more playful.
I like your debate. It all came down to a reasonable choice and we know all of them would give its owner a lot of satisfaction. Congratulations for your video. Best of all of this kind.
What a job!
With the level of technology that goes into today's sleds. It's a tough pick.
Well done guys! Cheers!
Great discussion and analysis! I love and 100% agree with the comments on the left side switch blocks - I feel it is two steps backward for Ski-Doo and agree it seems like it was not designed by trail riders.
Amen on the Music 🎶 coming out the end of the Pipe !
Maybe next year you could expand your sled of the year to more than just high performance trail sleds. There's other purpose built sleds that should have their own "sled of the year" category. Like Mountain sled of the year, Utility sled of the year, Youth Sled of the year, and then the category here. Performance trail sled of the year. Also, there are people that will want to know what the best 2up sled of the year is.
Could not agree more on this....
One thing that is minor but I really do think means a lot when your spending 20,000 dollars is the option to make your sled color fit you. With Skidoo you get one color and you will like it. With Polaris you get options for panels, tunnel, and rails & ski loops. Having that option to choose your color really is a great option. With Skidoo they were always about yellow and I can't even buy an XRS in 2023 or 2024 in yellow. You get gray or black.
Not hard to tell there was some back room brawl over this. Lol. I have a VR1 boost, first Polaris sled I have ever owned and I love it. The cornering will leave any other sled in snow dust. Let’s get Dynamics next year Polaris and you will be the king again. Great video!
As someone who has a 23 xrs Rene and has driven a 23 vr1 boost your spot on, the vr1 front end is so much better then the skidoo. I do find the throttle on the Polaris very spongy off idle compared to the skidoo.
Excellent video, please do the breakdown like this as a group every year!
great choice for sled of the year, this is my 50 th year of buying sleds. i enjoy watching all the walk arounds, but i guess i'm stubborn. i'lll stay with polaris
So basically skidoo got a fake win? 2 for poo, 1 for doo, that's a win for poo in my eyes. I mean read between the lines here guys.
Keep up the great work, love what you guys do for the community 👍🏼
I tested the ski-doo xrs 850 smart shox and i really loved it. It was fast, responsive, confortable and easy to drive. Last year my pick was the Lynx Rave. I don’t get to test the Polaris so i am partial here. This trail sled delivers the goods and for me was my favorite this year. I think the turbo R in the G5 might take the crown in 2024.
Ski doo takes the win in a 2v1! Haha all fun and games. Great season guys looks forward to another good one this next year.
Thank you so much!!
2 out of 3 preferred Polaris
@@terryruda6425 and ski doo sells the most sleds… your point?
@NSA what does who sells the most have to do with 2 out of 3 prefer Polaris. Your talking like Trudeau now lol.
@NSA ski doo makes a great product. Seem to be failing as much as Polaris this year. No problem with the sled of the year choice. I do believe Polaris makes the best rider experience though. I don't hear reviewers saying how much fun ski doo is but I do hear the words " a lot of fun" said about Polaris. Just my 2 cents.
The skidoo motors are a little more dependable my opinion
Cat will win it next year, that Doo chassis is like 7 years old now.
It is literally brand new
@@duckdestroyer2412 The gen 5 Doo is only new plastic. The chassis is the exact same as the gen 4. Only change is the engine mounts.
@@duckdestroyer2412It’s not brand new. New plastics and mounts for engine as posted above. Otherwise, it’s a G4…. Much like the matrix is a axys with new plastics!
Bottom line if you got a few beers In to ya!!!enjoy your Polaris!!! 7S screen is worthless in Canada, the body panels, rattle and chip with the cheapest paint I’ve ever seen and you’ve paid about $5000 for 15 more horsepower but hey you’re too drunk to know the difference!!! if you’re sober!!! by a ski Doo!! For anybody that questions, my loyalty I have owned and still own an 2022 xcr and the new boost!!! dollar for dollar Polaris missed the mark!!!
I went with a 2023 Lynx Rave' after having driven most of the others, and it's still the best choice I've ever made. It's an amazing sled, it's so much fun, and the braaaping over jumps and bumps is second to none.
Absolutely LOVE the RAVE RE.
YAMAHA All the way !!!
Next year will be an interesting year to compare sleds. Ski-Doo 850 Turbo vs Polaris 850 Turbo. Ski-Doo 2-stroke Turbo vs Ski-Doo 4-Stroke Turbo. Cat 600 trail sled vs Ski-Doo and Polaris 600 class trail sleds etc. (Just trying to plant some ideas here) I'm looking forward to it. Now off to DirtTrax for the summer.
I switched from a Cat to a Doo. Ill never go back.
Great Review. I think the biggest question is why won't skidoo change their front end? The front end just plain does not work as well as Polaris. For some reason they like to have the A-Arms mounting points higher then Polaris, which is really hindering the handling of the machine and throws the balance off. I ordered a 2024 900R Renegade XRS and skidoo is said to be lowering the sled a bit for better handling, but shocks and springs is a bandaid to what really needs to be redesigned and I glad you guys called it out.
I love my new 23' Polaris Indy 850 adventure 137 with all the bells and whistles. I like the feel of riding a wheelie when I gas on it, I like the almost wicked nature of it. Basically it scares the crap out of me and gets my adrenaline running! Love it!
I love my ‘22 Mach Z, but sometimes I wish I had waited and bought the ‘23 blizzard 850… great video and glad the skidoo won
Great choice not a ski doo guy but that being said could be and id be happy with a ski doo great sleds.
Always enjoy you guys talking things out
We can’t figure out why Polaris doesn’t have a fuel caddy! It’s mind blowing.
Hmmm... the whole voting thing at the end seemed stacked against polaris being that #1 votes were split for two polaris sleds. Great video as always though.
As always. A must watch. Great information.
I have both Polaris and skidoo, but I totally love my xrs
we would love to try a switchback assault 2.0 vs a khaos 146 2.6 :)
Hey Guys. Kudos to all of you on a well done show. Great points made on all products. Good summary And well presented. Cheers
Much appreciated!
there were so many polaris side panels lost and found this season in the northwoods WI and U.P. lol
So true! Like after every weekend, people were posting pics of panels found all over the place.
I really value your guy's opinion. Not like I'm going to buy a new sled anytime soon as I love my new to me 21 Assault but with that said the Assault won. You guys just wanted to make the doo guys happy for once 😉
Same old same old since 2017, Properly equipped SBA comes oh so close to delivering everything the rest has, plus giggle ass off in your helmet fun... but then will go and do everything else that the others can't even come close to doing.
great pic, tough choices
For the price of a new sled I'd rather spend the money on my 19's and take them to another level that a stock machine can't touch. Adding things like proper shock valving, brass bushings, aftermarket ski's , clutching etc. can make an older sled into a trail weapon. I find the stock sleds are made for the masses and not necessarily longevity. If your the kind of guy who isn't afraid to tinker and wants to ride the best , its hard to find on anything stock. Valving the shocks to your personnal riding style and weight will make a huge difference on any sled. Prices in Canada are out of control !!!!! keep what you have and make it better ! Close to thirty grand for a flagship sled after taxes is silly ! Love the reviews though guys and your my favourite winter show !
Thank you!
Soooo, POLARIS for the WIN
Two strokes will never go away. There are king
Absolutely!
Skidoo needs to ditch the Pilot skis. Otherwise the front end is good. They should start using the Lynx Blade XC+ skis
Awsome video guys! Everyone likes something different, but you guys actually have the chance to compare. I’m a Ski Doo guy period, but friends have other brands, so we trade off. One buddy had a new Polaris 850 matrix VR1. We traded, and I loved it! This year he got a new Polaris XCR 850. I couldn’t get off of it fast enough!! I’ll keep my Renegade X 900 turbo R
I no matter what I think 4 stick with Polaris, I've had good luck out of my RZR 900 xp only thing I've done since l bought it is changing the oil & etc".
Get a kimpex 3 gallon Gas tank fits on my Polaris perfectly and no drilling holes bolts rite on to my 2021 cc 850
A good rider can ride any sled. I want a sled that’s not thrown together rattling apart full of recalls poop…. But the skidoo
I guess in the end what ever you buy you win
I don’t like how this doesn’t have reliability factored in because most of us don’t have money to get a new sled every year and we just want something fun and reliable
Please do an episode on 2024 Grand Touring sleds please!!!!
I agree. I know a majority of riders love blasting down the trail and it makes for great action shots. Many trails are speed regulated and my wife and I truly enjoy exploring together on a 2up. Many new riders get their first exposure doubled up. Please don’t forget the two up crowd.
I like hearing you guys talking about the G4 850 vibrating like it was a ‘95 ZR700. Those things rattled like a dryer full of rocks. Maybe the G4 wasn’t great for vibration… but not that bad!
I agree with the result here. Polaris makes good handling sleds, but ski-doo just feels like a more quality piece, and I find it exactly the same in their at lines as well.
All that said, I would have gone Summit Expert 850 Turbo R for sled of the year, and I’m in Ontario!
Then your buying the wrong sled buddy!
@@romper4444 not to buy, but as sled of the year, absolutely. The Turbo R was a huge step up in performance and tons of awesome new tech this year. The quick adjust limiter strap was a brilliant game changer.
I get it you can’t lose the sponsorship of skidoo been years since sled of year. vr1 boost sickest sled to date still.
Right off accusations of being paid off by Polaris. Make up your mind for Pete's sake...
For crumb's sake it's nice to actually see your unvarnished opinions !
Can you do a video on the 23 Assault 850? I've seen one on the other two, but not this contender
Awesome episode 👍
I think SnowTrax did a great job characterizing the situation. Both sleds are very expensive at the enthusiast end. The Doo is more refined, more reliable, and has better tech… but the Polaris is more fun. I went from an XRS to an XCR because I prioritized fun. Only criticism is we get more honesty at end of year than during the in season reviews. More candid, less marketing please.
It's not because we're hiding anything, it's because we've logged 3 times as many miles on these sleds than we did at the beginning of the season and our opinions have evolved.
@@snowtrax Eh, not much has changed on these sleds, guys. This was the strongest I've heard it stated just how lacking the Doo front end and brake are in comparison to the Polaris and exactly why. Exactly why is the key. You guys have a lot of influence and I /know/ you have strong opinions. Let us hear more of them!
Should state for trails on flat terrain. Cause I bet this would change for areas like Tahoe, Colorado (mountains), Yellowstone etc
In the 70s there wasn't a Polaris or a skidoo that ever won a race
Polaris stronger motor, better handling, better brakes, and better electronics and two out of three editors chose a Polaris model.
Winner = Ski Doo.
Interesting times we live in. Everyone has to get a trophy at some point.
Appreciate your passion and I know you know how much we love the Indy. The Polaris is an incredible sled but there's no denying the real world problems it had this season. Whether you're a Doo fan or not, the Renny is an exceptional sled and definitely deserved this award.
@@snowtrax Fair enough, its a great sled! I am truly passionate about the entire industry, as much as you guys are. Great product equals great competition.
Would a Ski Doo XRS850 without the Smart Shock option still win the sled of the year award? Or do you think they are truly needed to put it over the top?
@@bedlambikes It's a great question and I have to wonder how that would shake out at the round table.
Need a tissue?
I’m confused about this whole gen4 vibration is it the two strokes? I’ve got a ‘23 900 ace turbo that doesn’t vibrate
I've driven snowmobiles and managed to repair them myself.
Regarding the Engine,
Why isn't in v-twin?
Just my thoughts.
If you are referring to a two-stroke V-twin compared to a two-stroke inline twin. It is for several reasons. One is simplicity. Like one cylinder head, a single engine block design, etc. Two is balence, a 180-degree opposed inline twin has way better primary balence compared to a v-twin. Not to mention a significantly better firing order and lighter weight counter balences. It is like comparing an Inline 4 four stroke to a V4 four stroke. One is more common for a reason.
Four strokes however is a different story.
What the « best value sled » ? SOTY is cool indeed but not many of us can afford it, so a second award going to the best value would be appreciated! Renegade 900 ACE ? Switchback SP 650 ? Backcountry 600r ? MXZ Sport 600 efi ?
Snowmobile of the year should be the least expensive/ performance. 20k for a snowmobile is simply ridiculous.
Scorpion engine in a Polaris. ;)
For a trail sled, being a mountain rider! that's not the sled of the year lol
Another great year from Snowtrax. Love all the sleds you show us from the big 5. Have a great summer. Only 8 months til winter!!😂😂
Thank you!!
20K+ is crazy for a sled.
Bought homes with acreage for less.
@@marklubecke4854 that mus have been quite a while ago, wish I could buy a home and some land for that. I spent 3k on a SnoPro500 and I know I have just as much fun as someone who spent 20+K
Would have liked to have seen you guys test an Xterrain; especially with the 900R. Assuming it wasn’t available?
XTERRAIN review will go live tomorrow! We also did have a 9R, just didn't have the snow to test them together!
All arctic cat technology big time to hell with Polaris. Skidoo. I grew up racing and none of them won a race but arctic cat
Mark said Polaris was gutsy for developing a 2 stroke turbo. Skidoo did as well.
Yes, Ski Doo did, but Polaris put it in a trail sled first and that's what he was referring to. Next season's a whole new ballgame.
I was a Skidoooer but then I rode a Polaris and cant ride other brands because Polaris is only getting better and better and they are on Top for my riding love you Guys love the show keep it up!!!!!
Thank you!!
All great flatland sleds