As a pro photographer working A LOT with skin retouching for more than 10 years, I assure everybody, who is not sure about these plugins, that Dodge&Burn plugin is BY FAR the best plugin for skin retouchin on the market yet. It saves me a lot of time and my time is much more pricey than the price of plugin.
I really miss the more down to earth Fstoppers content. I get that sponsored videos pay the bills, but where's the latest critique the community, or challenge videos, discussions, hell even Subway Justice talk!
So then only get the one or ones you actually need. 🤷🏼♂ The value of the business time I've saved with just the backdrop cleaner alone over the past 2 years since I first purchased it on the advice of another commercial photographer, is more than worth it - far more. (Also just keep an eye on the site - they have several annual sales a year, including a big discount on Black Friday and Boxing Day).
The pricing is high because they won't get repeat buyers. Compare this to $20 Photoshop actions that uses smart filters, AI skin selection, and proper layer management. Retouch4Me is fooling amateurs. Their next Photoshop plugin will be a clone of something on GraphicRiver bestsellers list, but priced at $100.
I have healing and d&g, which is really all I need to speed up my workflow (found them when they were on sale). One word of warning though, it is a Russian bank operating in Estonia. My bank didn't want to approve the transfer as his bank processor was on one of the "banned" lists due to sanctions.
I have set up an action in Photoshop and then use Bridge to run the action on every image I want to run it on from a wedding or senior session. The action even sets the opacity levels I like. I run this overnight and the only thing left to do in the morning is to import the new PSD file to Lightroom. It does error out sometimes but still is very productive when processing many files.
I have 5 of these and they are a huge timesaver. I can basically finish an edit and run a batch and let the AI finish. In my opinion they work a lot better than other solutions.
Batch is easy. Edit photos in Lr. Save metada edits. Turn on bridge, open raw folder, select photos. Choose from top dropdown menu(forgot how it is called)> Photoshop> Image processor and then choose action. Tested many times, but I like to export JPG from Lr and then run R4M because it is faster. But latest workflow is to choose photos in bridge and then edit in ACR because ACR it's so much faster. With minor loss in functionality.
I bought a bunch of modules. It’s good for doing a lot of photos for a wedding or something. But when I do high end edits I don’t trust it and end up doing things manually.
The plugins are really good but the update policy leaves a lot to be desired. Some haven't happened in 6-12 Month. And for that you pay a buy money and the performance that is provided leaves a lot to be desired
Yes it expensive but it’s for professional. And you need a fast pc. On my m1 mini max out it take about 45 sec each image from my R5. So I make an action and run an automation over a bunch of fotos over night.
I absolutely love the 3 plugins that I've picked up from them (Heal, D&B and Portrait Volumes) but the one issue I have when batch editing is that the Heal can be too aggressive sometimes and loves to remove belly buttons kind of at random especially on slightly darker skin tones. Has anyone else noticed this behavior?
Agreed, Heal is insanely aggressive. Your time is much better spent removing blemishes with Freq-Separation. The Dodge & Burn plugin is the bread winner of them all - and yes, Portrait Volumes scaled back a bit is a very nice touch at times.
I've been using Evoto and love it. It has similar features (except for the fabric wrinkles tool) and you can also quickly batch edit images. Would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Isnt Evoto a bit expensive since it's not a lifetime access program? If I remember correctly you have to purchase credits to use it, right? I heard it was a fantastic program, but if I am editing a lot of photos then I think having to buy credits would start to get pretty expensive, or am I wrong?
It is a credit-based system so, yes, likely more expensive for most people. I do love the results, though, and am willing to pay 6 cents per image which, for most of my shoots, comes to about $4 - $5. Def wish it was a flat fee or even subscription-based pricing model.
It does use the credit pricing model so, yes, for many people it will be more expensive. So far I like the results enough that I'm willing to pay the 6 cents per image (which equates to $4 or $5 per shoot for family shoots or about $1 for headshots). I definitely wish it was a one-time purchase or even a subscription-based app but for some types of retouching there really is nothing better out there, IMO@@stuffjoeyloves
use it for a while now and will never use anything else. it is just magic 😊 and yes it is expensive, but it is a one time purchase and you will get future updates for free 👍
They are completely different purposes. These plugins are for retouching and healing tasks, Gen-Fill is for complete replacement of things with something different. They aren't connected.
WARNING: these plugins do not work on RAW files. EXACT QUOTE "The plugin doesn't edit raw files" they have to go to JPG or TIFF first. I bought 4 of them and they are pretty good, it just masses up my workflow between LR>PS
Huuuge meh on it. As a full packet, if you buy all the plugins, it's fast and the effect as whole is kinda good. Assuming you bought all of it. And it ain't cheap. As a single plugins, they are doing just ok, but not good. I bet all that "amazing" "awesome" and "nuts" in the movie comes from the fact that author got it for free, and it's a promo of sorts. All of it, you can do by yourself, creating actions. And if you have some experience under your belt with Photoshop, this is obsolete for you. Especially if you are a wedding photographer, and you have your own fav settings in your camera, then probably you already have your fav oesets in camera raw and in lightroom.
Its interesting, but I'm not ready to spend that much money on it. When they make it where you can do a batch process for multiple photos, I will pay $900. But not as it is. I've created actions to do most of what this program does so I'm not sure if it will actually save me that much time.
This isn’t a question of money spent. This is a question of time saved. This is a timesaver if you photograph people as a trade. If you amortize this in a single year, I’m sure this would pay for itself without question.
Looks great but if you want the suite it’s nearly a thousand bucks. Who’s paying that for a plug-in. There are entire photoshop replacements fir a fraction of that
@@nagual2335 I have both and use retouch4me, when its a single person, portrait session out doors and its only like 5-10 photos custom... i use evoto for more my bulk in studio session and can do all i need sync and go type things... even cut them out and have a png if they need it, or to switch background... its more of an all in 1 type thing.
I loveeee the fact of him forcing to "look human" or "Natural" while editing... dude, cmon. We all know EVERYONE nowadays LOVE filters.... It`s like Coffee ppl saying how much they love coffee but they put a lil bit of sugar or sweetener to it knowing deep down they just ruined the original flavor of coffee.
You keep saying it's a bit heavy handed, but really, it looks far less heavy handed than most plugins that do this type of work without user discretion; no plastic skin etc. However, you've just clicked your way through over 1200 USD worth of plugins and frankly, given the price of some of the other options in this space, these aren't worth a quarter of that.
Many of these functionalities are available in the latest versions of Lightroom for free, in contrast to the circa $100 per functionality for this software.
When you say, "classic fstoppers content" do you mean gear reviews and technique education? Just curious because that's what I remember about the channel.
@@JaredHoyman I have a cool lighting video I'm about to release and I'm also doing some fun photoshoots that I'll film for the channel as well. I'm trying my hand at the "exploded view" technique and it's taking FOREVER! -Patrick
Retouch 4 me is owned by a Russian who registered the company in Tallinn. To the question "What do you think about a full-scale war of Russia against Ukraine?" support refused to answer. It is interesting that the site is not accessible from the territory of Ukraine, most likely because the domain is registered in Russia. By buying this software, you are supporting some Russian who can't even condemn the war...
My thought is that every single company on the planet probably sides with some ideology that you personally do not support or agree with. If you live in a free country where you can say whatever you want without being prosecuted, that's an incredible privilege not to be taken for granted. If you live in a country where speaking freely might land you in jail or persecuted in some way, perhaps you might not be quick to comment on such topics. Just my personal thought and I don't know anything about the situation with Retouch4me -P
Their support is horrendous. Mattifier, Fabric, and Skin Tone do not work well with Photoshop. It crashes 99% of the time I use them. Their response, “Use an older version of Photoshop.”
They cause Photoshop to crash (on a Mac) with no error message or crash report to submit. I own all of the plugins, and they are very expensive. When they work they are great, but they rarely work. (At least mattifier, skin tone, and fabric…those crash constantly. )
Making beautiful people look fake is not my idea of great software. And creating a generation of people with body anxiety because they don’t look like “perfect” models who in reality have the same spots , dull eyes , yellow teeth ,etc like the rest of us.
Starting to get fed up with all this "sponsored" content, with over priced plugins, styles, LUT what ever you want to call them, its slowly eroding confidence in TH-cam and other Social Media content. What a shame.
Literally stuff you can already do in luminar for a fraction of the price and better UI. I think even latest PS/LR has features like this. If not, they eventually will 🤷♂️. This is awful and way overpriced
As a pro photographer working A LOT with skin retouching for more than 10 years, I assure everybody, who is not sure about these plugins, that Dodge&Burn plugin is BY FAR the best plugin for skin retouchin on the market yet. It saves me a lot of time and my time is much more pricey than the price of plugin.
I really miss the more down to earth Fstoppers content. I get that sponsored videos pay the bills, but where's the latest critique the community, or challenge videos, discussions, hell even Subway Justice talk!
Haha. Subway Justice. CTC is coming back very soon with even bigger prizes. Photographing the World BTS is coming soon.
@@FStoppers Justice for Subway Justice! Great to hear thanks! Please don't forget the last CTC category 'blur' 👍
They’re asking like $100 per module. So over $800 for the suite. LMAO!
So then only get the one or ones you actually need. 🤷🏼♂ The value of the business time I've saved with just the backdrop cleaner alone over the past 2 years since I first purchased it on the advice of another commercial photographer, is more than worth it - far more. (Also just keep an eye on the site - they have several annual sales a year, including a big discount on Black Friday and Boxing Day).
You're complaining about $800 when the value these modules can provide easily outshine gear that can go for 3-5x that price
@@BlakeMadsen are you chatGPT
Obviously, you don’t edit enough to make these plugins worth it for you.
For me, it has saved me countless hours of time.
The pricing is high because they won't get repeat buyers.
Compare this to $20 Photoshop actions that uses smart filters, AI skin selection, and proper layer management. Retouch4Me is fooling amateurs.
Their next Photoshop plugin will be a clone of something on GraphicRiver bestsellers list, but priced at $100.
I have healing and d&g, which is really all I need to speed up my workflow (found them when they were on sale). One word of warning though, it is a Russian bank operating in Estonia. My bank didn't want to approve the transfer as his bank processor was on one of the "banned" lists due to sanctions.
Thank you very much for the detailed review! 🤩🤩🤩
Great review, thank you very much!
Interesting software only wish you had used a different portrait photo that would allow us to see more of the potential.
Honestly the worst photo they could have used.
I have set up an action in Photoshop and then use Bridge to run the action on every image I want to run it on from a wedding or senior session. The action even sets the opacity levels I like. I run this overnight and the only thing left to do in the morning is to import the new PSD file to Lightroom. It does error out sometimes but still is very productive when processing many files.
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Dope but way overpriced. Photoshop neural filters will probably be able to do all this soon,
My friend just told me about it yesterday, trying the trials today, thanks for the discount code
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I have 5 of these and they are a huge timesaver. I can basically finish an edit and run a batch and let the AI finish. In my opinion they work a lot better than other solutions.
GREAT VIDEO!!!. this is going to help my clothing photoshoots tremendously!! thank you!
Batch is easy. Edit photos in Lr. Save metada edits. Turn on bridge, open raw folder, select photos. Choose from top dropdown menu(forgot how it is called)> Photoshop> Image processor and then choose action. Tested many times, but I like to export JPG from Lr and then run R4M because it is faster. But latest workflow is to choose photos in bridge and then edit in ACR because ACR it's so much faster. With minor loss in functionality.
I bought a bunch of modules. It’s good for doing a lot of photos for a wedding or something. But when I do high end edits I don’t trust it and end up doing things manually.
so is this the only time you use the mac pro ? as your a windows user
Dozens of plug-ins like this have been out there for ever. Including much cheaper ones
ant no plugin does so precise d&b automaticaly, like this one.
The plugins are really good but the update policy leaves a lot to be desired.
Some haven't happened in 6-12 Month.
And for that you pay a buy money and the performance that is provided leaves a lot to be desired
some youtubers are like pot salesmen from the 90s
Yes it expensive but it’s for professional. And you need a fast pc. On my m1 mini max out it take about 45 sec each image from my R5. So I make an action and run an automation over a bunch of fotos over night.
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I absolutely love the 3 plugins that I've picked up from them (Heal, D&B and Portrait Volumes) but the one issue I have when batch editing is that the Heal can be too aggressive sometimes and loves to remove belly buttons kind of at random especially on slightly darker skin tones. Has anyone else noticed this behavior?
belly buttons are ugly flaws tho, i always remove them from my clients bodys.
Agreed, Heal is insanely aggressive. Your time is much better spent removing blemishes with Freq-Separation. The Dodge & Burn plugin is the bread winner of them all - and yes, Portrait Volumes scaled back a bit is a very nice touch at times.
I've been using Evoto and love it. It has similar features (except for the fabric wrinkles tool) and you can also quickly batch edit images. Would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Isnt Evoto a bit expensive since it's not a lifetime access program? If I remember correctly you have to purchase credits to use it, right? I heard it was a fantastic program, but if I am editing a lot of photos then I think having to buy credits would start to get pretty expensive, or am I wrong?
It is a credit-based system so, yes, likely more expensive for most people. I do love the results, though, and am willing to pay 6 cents per image which, for most of my shoots, comes to about $4 - $5. Def wish it was a flat fee or even subscription-based pricing model.
It does use the credit pricing model so, yes, for many people it will be more expensive. So far I like the results enough that I'm willing to pay the 6 cents per image (which equates to $4 or $5 per shoot for family shoots or about $1 for headshots). I definitely wish it was a one-time purchase or even a subscription-based app but for some types of retouching there really is nothing better out there, IMO@@stuffjoeyloves
use it for a while now and will never use anything else. it is just magic 😊 and yes it is expensive, but it is a one time purchase and you will get future updates for free 👍
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Yeah thats pretty nuts??
I wonder how Adobe generative fill compares
They are completely different purposes. These plugins are for retouching and healing tasks, Gen-Fill is for complete replacement of things with something different. They aren't connected.
It does look amazing but my computer can’t handle it :(
Awesome! It's just 1000$! So cheap! /s
I'll stick with luminar
Looks like a great product and I would certainly be willing to pay $124 for the features shown in this video, but not $124 per. That's just stupid.
Sure, they cost money, but time is money and you keep saving time every time.
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Best plugins ever, using them for months, worth every penny !
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you must like the words ‘before after'
WARNING: these plugins do not work on RAW files. EXACT QUOTE "The plugin doesn't edit raw files" they have to go to JPG or TIFF first. I bought 4 of them and they are pretty good, it just masses up my workflow between LR>PS
Huuuge meh on it. As a full packet, if you buy all the plugins, it's fast and the effect as whole is kinda good. Assuming you bought all of it. And it ain't cheap.
As a single plugins, they are doing just ok, but not good.
I bet all that "amazing" "awesome" and "nuts" in the movie comes from the fact that author got it for free, and it's a promo of sorts.
All of it, you can do by yourself, creating actions. And if you have some experience under your belt with Photoshop, this is obsolete for you.
Especially if you are a wedding photographer, and you have your own fav settings in your camera, then probably you already have your fav oesets in camera raw and in lightroom.
“a little more human…” hehe
Their prices are outrageous.
Its interesting, but I'm not ready to spend that much money on it. When they make it where you can do a batch process for multiple photos, I will pay $900. But not as it is. I've created actions to do most of what this program does so I'm not sure if it will actually save me that much time.
It actually can do batch
PixImperfect has a video on making it into a batch run action
Not cheap by the time you've bought a few of them
This isn’t a question of money spent. This is a question of time saved. This is a timesaver if you photograph people as a trade. If you amortize this in a single year, I’m sure this would pay for itself without question.
i like Evoto AI much better
I didn't think much of it. Excellent video but unimpressed with the plugin.
Looks great but if you want the suite it’s nearly a thousand bucks. Who’s paying that for a plug-in. There are entire photoshop replacements fir a fraction of that
Have you tried evoto? And which one is the better choice?
Evoto is pretty Amazing and faster than this
@@nagual2335 I have both and use retouch4me, when its a single person, portrait session out doors and its only like 5-10 photos custom... i use evoto for more my bulk in studio session and can do all i need sync and go type things... even cut them out and have a png if they need it, or to switch background... its more of an all in 1 type thing.
I like Evoto AI much better,it can batch my post-production
Guys why is our tribal chief Roman Reigns ☝doing a photoshop plugin review?
Insane cost. Software looks amazing but between $124-$149 per module. It is not much short with $1500 for everything!!??😢
The price is too high for me. I prefer to spend that amount on several Photoshop online courses/books.
Would be nice if the plugin didn't discriminate against darker skin tones.
it does seem to be ok, but for that price.... do not think so
I loveeee the fact of him forcing to "look human" or "Natural" while editing... dude, cmon. We all know EVERYONE nowadays LOVE filters.... It`s like Coffee ppl saying how much they love coffee but they put a lil bit of sugar or sweetener to it knowing deep down they just ruined the original flavor of coffee.
Sadesign can do much better. However, it's not bad
I have an amazingly talented kid in Brazil that charges me $10 per image. I charge customers $50-100 per.
That's impressive, but not $$$$ they're asking impressive.
Bull one big advert.
“Skin Mask”. Sounds frightening.
Is this available in real life...😂
You keep saying it's a bit heavy handed, but really, it looks far less heavy handed than most plugins that do this type of work without user discretion; no plastic skin etc. However, you've just clicked your way through over 1200 USD worth of plugins and frankly, given the price of some of the other options in this space, these aren't worth a quarter of that.
Too expensive 😮
Many of these functionalities are available in the latest versions of Lightroom for free, in contrast to the circa $100 per functionality for this software.
are you talking about adobe neural filters? If yes, the are shit compering to r4m!
I been using it for months now 😂
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Pricing is ridiculous. Please bring back classic FStoppers content. Not a fan of the new direction of the channel.
When you say, "classic fstoppers content" do you mean gear reviews and technique education? Just curious because that's what I remember about the channel.
@@JaredHoyman I have a cool lighting video I'm about to release and I'm also doing some fun photoshoots that I'll film for the channel as well. I'm trying my hand at the "exploded view" technique and it's taking FOREVER! -Patrick
@FStoppers awesome! Looking forward to it, Patrick.
Retouch 4 me is owned by a Russian who registered the company in Tallinn. To the question "What do you think about a full-scale war of Russia against Ukraine?" support refused to answer. It is interesting that the site is not accessible from the territory of Ukraine, most likely because the domain is registered in Russia. By buying this software, you are supporting some Russian who can't even condemn the war...
My thought is that every single company on the planet probably sides with some ideology that you personally do not support or agree with. If you live in a free country where you can say whatever you want without being prosecuted, that's an incredible privilege not to be taken for granted. If you live in a country where speaking freely might land you in jail or persecuted in some way, perhaps you might not be quick to comment on such topics. Just my personal thought and I don't know anything about the situation with Retouch4me -P
Isnt it also "AI" ? ;) So first photographer cries because of it and now you make advertising for it ?
Their support is horrendous. Mattifier, Fabric, and Skin Tone do not work well with Photoshop. It crashes 99% of the time I use them. Their response, “Use an older version of Photoshop.”
Wow I'm sorry to hear that. I didn't have a single issue but I certainly haven't spent a ton of time in it.
They cause Photoshop to crash (on a Mac) with no error message or crash report to submit. I own all of the plugins, and they are very expensive. When they work they are great, but they rarely work. (At least mattifier, skin tone, and fabric…those crash constantly. )
i got only HEAL because its time consuming work, rest of them are useless to me, D&B i like do by myself
Appreciate the review.. However. Ridicously expensive per plugin compared to other products with the same capability or better. No disrespect.
This product is pretty nice but I could buy a whole lotta weed for those prices. 😳
Making beautiful people look fake is not my idea of great software. And creating a generation of people with body anxiety because they don’t look like “perfect” models who in reality have the same spots , dull eyes , yellow teeth ,etc like the rest of us.
Man, your videos used to be good. What happened? The love is gone.
*PromoSM*
Yikes
$800+ for average results and it only works on jpgs?
Put down the crack pipe.
damm rip off
Starting to get fed up with all this "sponsored" content, with over priced plugins, styles, LUT what ever you want to call them, its slowly eroding confidence in TH-cam and other Social Media content. What a shame.
I Will pass thanks, over priced to buggery.
Meh
Literally stuff you can already do in luminar for a fraction of the price and better UI. I think even latest PS/LR has features like this. If not, they eventually will 🤷♂️. This is awful and way overpriced
Kristina Sherk (Sherk Pixels) has a FREE PS-action that does part of these touchups, will never pay appr 800USD or not even 80USD for a part of it