Everyone is saying mango nerf, siege nerf bla bla bla. but they all forget, They have taken out every single ranged siege counter. Only way to beat siege is to break through the enemy's front line and hit em with your cavalry or melee infantry. Thats a bigger buff to mangos than any nerf they did to em. here's the real question; how does one defeat GBB or sushi's legacy splashbards now? you basically must win the battle first, then kill the siege, but you cant win the battles with such a siege advantage. Basically ottoman gets to GBB with a decent eco and GG unless its sushi's legacy, whos splashbards hard counter GBB.
Ranged units can kill most siege now, with the mango having the least ranged defense. You’ll see when this patch goes live that a longbow mass can basically 2-shot a mangonel. It will be a dance of micro vs micro, which is awesome for the game.
You shred the front line with spingalds and then shit on their back line/mangonels. I think springalds are actually going to be better than mangos now.
@@ashtonmayfield9217 yes, but i never said they were OP, just buffed, what i called OP was ottoman GBB and zushi splashbombards. With proper life formation battles, springs are much less effective than splashbards and GBB, as well as archers and other ranged units still do terrible against them. interested to see how people beat that, though to be fair 99% of games dont go to late imp where large enough numbers of them come out so i guess who cares?
dislike this patch. that mass archers with little micro wins the 5 mangos and cav. Aoe4 was known as decision making master pieces. But this patch online it becomes the shot and dodge game. every one just mass archers and do the dodge and shot dance. who get hit will lose. no civ different at all, no decision making at all. Since archer is too powerful now with heavy infantry are nerfed, and mango cant shot probally now.
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Goes to show mangonel balance was actually nicely done
the 4 trebuchets was insane
a game-ending blunder if I've ever seen one
Shoulda gone for mangos
I think he was cooked either way?
@@Ryan-vn7de If he hadn't over-extended so much and didn't over-invest in trebs he had a good chance
These two mistakes compounded into a defeat
This was super even match up perfect 🤩
always a delight to see Bee
25:30 peak aussi drongo hahaha
Before i watch this, is he sick in this one too? XD
Is he ever healthy?
thanks for letting me have twisted fate drongo
The firing at the back targets doesnt make sense - just gotta have it thrash people regardless of it being the front or back target
Everyone is saying mango nerf, siege nerf bla bla bla. but they all forget, They have taken out every single ranged siege counter. Only way to beat siege is to break through the enemy's front line and hit em with your cavalry or melee infantry. Thats a bigger buff to mangos than any nerf they did to em. here's the real question; how does one defeat GBB or sushi's legacy splashbards now? you basically must win the battle first, then kill the siege, but you cant win the battles with such a siege advantage. Basically ottoman gets to GBB with a decent eco and GG unless its sushi's legacy, whos splashbards hard counter GBB.
Ranged units can kill most siege now, with the mango having the least ranged defense. You’ll see when this patch goes live that a longbow mass can basically 2-shot a mangonel.
It will be a dance of micro vs micro, which is awesome for the game.
In fact, if you watched the video this exact thing happened at the end of this game. Myriad snipes all the mangos with his archers.
You shred the front line with spingalds and then shit on their back line/mangonels. I think springalds are actually going to be better than mangos now.
@@ashtonmayfield9217 yes, but i never said they were OP, just buffed, what i called OP was ottoman GBB and zushi splashbombards. With proper life formation battles, springs are much less effective than splashbards and GBB, as well as archers and other ranged units still do terrible against them. interested to see how people beat that, though to be fair 99% of games dont go to late imp where large enough numbers of them come out so i guess who cares?
They have less health and cavalry got buffed too. The battles will be better with more microing rather than just building siege mass.
Why is it called a man-gonel?
You shoot it and man is gone
bro i been using mangonles in my main build since beta. I hope this new PUP update goes to main branch soon.
casted games so good
when is new update coming ?
In Arabic we call them MAN - JA - NEEQ !
4 trebs ? whyy
plural of manjaniq is majaniq
drongo
Maybe they changed only mangonels and mandiqs (not sure how it should be write) are still the same 😂
dislike this patch.
that mass archers with little micro wins the 5 mangos and cav.
Aoe4 was known as decision making master pieces.
But this patch online it becomes the shot and dodge game.
every one just mass archers and do the dodge and shot dance. who get hit will lose.
no civ different at all, no decision making at all.
Since archer is too powerful now with heavy infantry are nerfed, and mango cant shot probally now.
ISNT 3DBEE A CHEATER?
no. It's a grey area. He exploited a bug. Kinda like using mangoes this season.
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