Those people are just looking for attention, sorry being a content creator has this kinda thing. You are amazing and a handsome guy! Your content and love of this game has made thousands if not millions love this game even more! You did what bungie should have as far as storytelling. Thank you @Byf we love you lore Daddy!!!! ❤️
@@MynameisByf what the heck cringe. I’ve not seen one comment about your appearance dude. Buck up bucko, who cares if people on TH-cam think you’re pretty or not lol. That gave me sad donkey vibes from Winnie the Pooh 😂
Knowing that Bungie A) neglected investing in D2 for years B) That there was 0 investment for a D3 and C) that Paybacks investment and potential was just tossed in the trash puts me in the camp of wanting Marathon to fail just to make a point to Parsons.
Honestly the fact that they charge so much for every dlc and then don't get me started on the everstore but the fact that they made so much money off us and spent it on themselves rather then the game is why I stopped playing D2 and won't play a game by bungie again
@@HowdyHowdy_ This is a problem with leadership and wanting Marathon to fail will punish not just Parsons but also the developers at Bungie who don’t deserve it. If investors can be made aware of how much lack of faith their audience (us) and the team (regular Bungie developers) have in leadership, a change will likely be made. We just have to be vocal about it. Sony wants to protect Bungie, they spent billions on the studio they’re not going to just flush that, and if the message they get is Bungie can turn around if bad leadership (which they are already not thrilled with Pete for basically exaggerating Bungie’s assets, and the absorbing developers was a move to save some employees by changing where paychecks come from while remaining potential assets to Bungie and even other studios.) is ousted, they will likely heavily consider it.
@@tehdaytripper89 If a change hasn't been made after the absolutely awful last 18 months, what makes you think the audience will sway Sony now? Parsons has cut like a third of the studio of the year and essentially caught fluffing the numbers, and he's STILL there and leaving with a huge exit package in 2026. Continuing to support Bungie is just continuing to support Parsons and his cronies at this point, the Devs deserve better but at some point you have to draw a line.
The best thing for Destiny is that all their incubation projects fail. Because Destiny is their money maker and they are using Destiny resources and earnings to fund other things. If those things fail they will ultimately go back to their only successful game.
Devs get bored too lol. Ah yay destiny... Yay.... More boring skins to make guns and yeah not feeling want SUMTHIN new. While not on this. I understand lol
Yeah that's what i was thinking when they said bungie had high burn rate like what the heck are they doing with that money, and then we have hoyo with 3 live service games active at the same time
The fact the ppl with 1000s of hours are leaving /playing less say all you need to know. Bungie was able to fuck up so bad that people were able to beat their addiction to the game lol.
Im actually not, but right now there is literally nothing to do until act 3 comes out, I can just finish some older raid seals for the title but Not really until the raids are not in Rotation, so I'm glad Black Myth came out recently.
Nah this is just a break Trust me we’ll be back for act 3 and ep 2 Ofc some are gone for good only way we might actually be gone gone is if ep 2 is just pure garbage day one *And also* have played another game that is addictive Without both destiny players will never leave Basically stopping a drug then being completely block from taking it again/ or you take it but it’s a hard pill to swallow AND you already have another drug that’s equally or more addictive Aka destiny is crack and another game is fentanyl AND crack got banned and fentanyl is legal That’s basically the only way
Microsoft called Bungie a money burner years ago and knew of their problems. Sony just has to deal with the consequences now of bad leadership in a company they bought.
Replace Parsons' dumb ass and the problem is fucking solved. Can't believe how much he hates Destiny and how badly he'd love for it to fail despite it bringing so much money in.
Not that Sony is or would be better, but removing crappy management is the best start to making a company better. To fire a pea-on over a companies despair is ridiculous. A company failing starts at the top, your workers take your directions. It's not an employees fault for a managers misdirection... the devs always want better, but the people at the top don't care.
It’s kind of fkn WILD how the leaders were THIS lost… and yet they’re all gonna get Huge bonuses when they leave, after draining the company of talent, ideas, money and opportunity
that's the corporate run around for you. they switch the leaders around to different projects and fire the people that are actually doing work. Leadership NEVER suffers consequences in the corporate world.
I'm saying it now, Destiny fully under control of Sony with their own devs working with all the good ones still remaining with Bungie could make it work really well, Sony constantly produces banger games, so it makes sense that the future of Destiny will be brighter with Sony
While I don’t disagree that Sony can help out bungo, as long as Pete parsons stays, there’s no future for destiny other than EOS. Minus maybe a polished destiny 3, a lot of ppl will never come back
I agree but I'm hesitant to be too excited because it's Sony (arguably one of the better major gaming brands lol). It's crazy that Bungie went from being beloved to being one of the worst run gaming companies out there in a matter of 6ish years.
I think Sony could maybe run things better, but the damage has also already been done. The audience is leaving a bit after the last few issues. So a Sony-run Destiny might just be too little too late.
idk bro Sony has been putting pressure on Bungie to actually make them money and bungo hasn't "delivered" in their eyes, I feel like we would get micro transactions out the wazoo if they fully take control but then again who knows
Byf’s shutter at Marty really doesn’t sit well. He clearly doesn’t know much about Marty’s contributions. Marty tried to protect bungie from Microsoft and keep them independent. Eventually they fired him because he didn’t agree with Bungie being sabotaged by a corporate third party. Go watch The Act Man’s interview with Marty O’Donald. It is very enlightening.
I'm assuming he doesn't like him cause his out of company politics. It's enough to not take anything he says on this topic seriously because he's saying someone leaving the company is a good thing not because they were bad for the company or ruined projects, but because he doesn't like him. If that's not the case my had, but that's lately been the case since Marty got into politics.
That's what I was about to say. In the interview it looked like Marty was trying to prevent all this. Idk why people always have to get politics involved like "oh, you're voting for another party, I can't agree with anything you say now". That's just such bs and given his meticulous research on Lore I truely would have expected better of Byf.
I said it once and say it again: The fact that management deemed a D3 too risky says everything you need to know. They are completely lost. D3 with a new engine would be the fresh kickstart the franchise needed. And if Bungie will be taking over by Sony, they should just focus on that.
They wouldn’t use a new engine even if they did make a D3. It would be an updated Tiger engine seeing as that’s how Destiny feels like Destiny. The other problem being from an analytics standpoint Destiny doesn’t bring in players. That’s not just due to the AWFUL onboarding process and tutorial, but also because of how much negativity surrounds this brand. If you look up Destiny all you ever get is “dead game”, “layoffs”, “hate Bungie” etc. Keeping a franchise alive for over 10 years is a difficult process and frankly even a D3 has its risks. This game barely survived even when it had Activision funding it, I can easily see how D3 would be a nightmare of a possibility to make for them
Destiny doesn’t make the money or retain a player base like live service pvp games. Destiny has to come out with constant content while pvp games can poop out maps and skins and rake in profit. Destiny as a IP is a literal decades old franchise that has only hurt its own reputation in the pvp shooter world. It’d be like trying to invest into a dark souls pvp game, sure you could spend your time building a good dark souls like pvp game but the name dark souls will pull 0 pvpers and put off literally millions. The casual supers and abilities are so casual while the TTK makes consistent headshots a requirement. Idk what will be next but it will not be called destiny and will not play anything like destiny.
Soo if we did get a D3 now youd have those goons that are still on d1 stay in d1 and now ur gonna have even more goons stay on d2 cause they think d2 is the better destiny. Then ontop of that later down the road your gonna have you here again preaching for a d4
Sorry, why do people want a D3? I never really understood why. They should just change D2 to be just "Destiny" and just continue, since that's what it looks like they are doing
*Im sticking by what ive said last two months.* *Sony closing down Bungie, and merging Destiny 2 and some staff into Sony themselves, within the next 12 months.*
@@christianclark402 If they do, I guess I'm going to say goodbye to Bungie as a Studio I care about. Sad thing to say, but it's true. They don't have Halo and they wouldn't have D2 and I have zero interest in investing time and effort into a Hero-Extraction Shooter Hybrid-thing or whatever else they have going on.
@@cerebralassassin2185 so long as it's just cosmetics... I'm not sure I could bring myself to care. I don't foresee them limiting exotics or dlc or anything Playstation exclusive in this day and age.
What pisses me off about this situation is Bungie didnt fund those other projects that they canceled WE DID. Our money that we put toward DESTINY was funneled off to other projects which didnt even get finished. I get it, theyre a company and they can spend the money they make however they want, but it really chaps my ass that the money that I put into the product I like didnt go toward supporting or improving that product at all.
Yeah most of the money for the other projects is sony money lol. Games are not developed democratically, companies chase profits and try their best not to care about consumers
Microsoft calling someone else a money burner is pretty ironic considering the huge amount of the money they're seemingly flushing down the drain with the acquisition of big companies.
dont be dick riding microsoft, the reason why Bungie is what it is is cause the old execs left and only the people that transferred from Microsoft remained as executives. Pete parson was a marketing guy from Microsoft
an add played then i skipped it. imagine my reaction when i turn away for a second and another add plays only for me to realise thats because aztecross got an add on his video seconds after.
Luke Smith is ABSOLUTELY one of the welcome departures - not a horrifying departure. Are you dinged? Luke may be representative of good times of destiny, but he was also the person that fold out the game and made the foundational game pathways that were ushered the downfall of the game. He notoriously ignored the will of the players and substituted his own flawed Vision that was universally hated and when he had opportunities to fix it, doubled down and made it worse. He is THE keystone of the downfall.
Bungie's management is a prime example of corporate greed. Management decides to sell out for billions of dollars to inflate their own pockets, then frantically scrambles to appease the new owners and share holders by overworking their employees to their breaking point. They then try anything and everything to scrape up as much money as possible at all costs and forget how to make a great product, which is what originally got them to where they were.
Calling Marty a "welcome departure" is just such a bad, emotional take from Byf. Let me just say, that when Marty was a part of Bungie leadership, there was no need for content creators to fart out an endless string of lazy doomsday podcasts about the state of Destiny, and Bungie as a company. Because they were releasing great games. Not culling their workforce and aggressively attempting to reacquire employee stock before vesting. "So....yeah."
@@justifano7046 What’s your point? Mine is that Bungie was clearly in a better state when he was a part of it. Besides, he worked on the first Destiny until he was fired - it only released a few months after.
@@hectymcc why would youtubers be making destiny is doomed videos about a game that hasn't released yet? There's 0 causation between the state of bungie and Marty working there.
@@justifano7046 it’s the current Bungie release, if Marty were still there, Sony would be out of the picture…people would not be getting fired like it’s going out of style, and the future of Destiny wouldn’t be in flux. Do you really need this spelled out for you?
When Bungie was still doing Halo but were starting on Destiny, internally amongst the team they probably said, "this is our "next" Halo." When they started "Payback" they probably referred to it as, " the next Destiny". The leader probably heard that, maybe saw that Destiny characters were being used and inferred that "Payback" was Destiny 3.
Marty O’Donnell was not a welcome departure that’s just false in so many ways, anyone here interested in the behind the scenes bungie story check out act man’s interview with him it’s eye opening
@cande0861 just being generally anti trans. You can be republican and not rude and an asshole. Made a right wing post about never buying from Gillette again because they made an ad about sexual harassment being bad. It's his right to be like "I didn't like that guy and am not gonna shed a tear over his departure" 🤷♂️
Saying Marty was a welcome departure but it was sad Mark and Luke got let go is some kind of take from chief Bungie ball gobbler Byf, lmfao. Luke and Mark did much more damage to the game than good over the years and were two of the most arrogant people over at Bungie which led to the dev team having this massive air of superiority to the point they didn't think they had to listen to their players. Good riddance to those two.
Luke Smith and Mark Noseworthy where the worst thing to happen to destiny.. Never forgot those are the two that brought you the Eververse and "seasonal" content/battle pass, made it so you had to buy every expansion, and the trigger word FOMO..They tricked Activision then Sony. Might even have wrote the book on flim flamin..>=)
not trying to defend marathon before even comes out but how exactly extraction shooters are saturated if there's like 3 big games out there? i can only think of tarkov, hunt showdown, and cod's warzone
@@jet6283extraction shooters are a niche market to begin with thought that’s why. From all of the Tarkov CC that got to play marathon already they all said it was nowhere near worth stopping playing tarkov for so you’re developing a game for a smaller market and not even able to attract ppl away from the current big ones. Not a good recipe for success
Ah yes the over saturated extraction shooter market with, let me check, hunt showdown and vigor being the only two ones slightly popular and available on console… it’s a saturated market (barely) on PC and almost all of them fit into the same style and aesthetic trying to be like Tarkov. Marathon is a console game with a completely different style and thus will appeal to a much larger market than simply Tarkov fans. Most console people don’t even know what an extraction shooter is outside of like Helldivers (and that’s barely) so Marathon being with Sony it’ll likely succeed rather well for many console players
This would have worked for crucible in an actual competitive environment. Had they separated PVP and PVE entirely, as they should have from the start, this would have been a great format for an actual competitive playlist, which Destiny has not come REMOTELY close to producing in 10 years. It was, however, a total disaster for PvE. Good idea for competitive PvP, terrible execution overall.
@@Tzoppo11 vanilla D2 was catered for that, you just felt they wanted to make destiny into a competitive game. A way to do that is with everyone having the same weapon, no specials, no specials, small maps and 4v4. It would've work if they would've just kept this for pvp and not the rest of the game.
@xuxon24 Couldn't agree more. This was the ONLY time in all of Destiny history that they actually had a VISION for the PvP, and they immediately abandoned it. I will never forgive them for that. The lack of courage it displays to not stick to.your guns and simply provide a 6 v 6 Playlist to satiate the folks who want the unbalanced, unmitigated chaos, while retaining a strict 4 v 4 primary gunplay mode for competitive purposes, was staggering.
And this was because they lost a lot of their player base's trust (causing many to give up on D2 entirely) with LF. LF broke the camel's back. Remember, LF sold much more copies than TFS did. Overall, Bungo killed Destiny 2 and watched it bleed to death.
It’s also the end of the saga, about the worst time possible to jump in so your by design fighting to hold onto every single player shows attention you do have. Spoiler, TFS didn’t even do that.
Man as destiny vet I’ll keep it really simple. The issue is not expansions, is not the content, and so many things people keep saying. The issue is DESTINY NEEDS MORE PLAYERS, it needs to grow and sunsetting the base game and other content absolutely killed it because no one want to jump into something half way thru. And that’s the truth… Destiny needed Destiny 3. When final shape ended they should have announced Destiny 3. With a new story new everything it might be hard for vets but it’s better to let go of the past than to loose it entirely
I am truly surprised that anyone was actually surprised there would be more layoffs. They were losing money and delayed a major expansion. They crunched their employees to death just to fire them to save money. I always saw this coming
I joined Destiny 2 when New Light came out and it went free, I liked the game and so I brought all the expansions up till New Light. I love farming and collecting and chasing after loots so I rushed through the missions in order to unlock Raids and get Exotics for collection, all the while thinking that I would just replay missions on my other character later on. Then came Sunsetting, all the loots that I collected gone, EXPANSIONS THAT I PURCHASED gone, every new loot had expire on it (I know it's reverted now, but dmg is done already), all of this just killed my interest in game. I came back in Beyond Light to try and play with new Stasis and I enjoyed it, but I didn't knew Cayde lore before and when I came back, I wanted to play it without rushing, but I literally could not play the thing THAT I PAID FOR! Now tell me what reason do I have to give my money to these devs and buy a game with expire date on it, that too after getting scammed and losing the expansions I paid for?!
33:00 , pertaining to Warframe, that was my Forsaken protest game and whenever I have breaks from D2 and not in school. I was playing WF. The hilarious part is I made my move to PC and built up with my spouse. It's a comfort game with so much content that continues to evolve.
What's so problematic about Martin O'Donnell to warrant calling him a welcomed departure? From the interview he did with the ActMan, he seems pretty benign
Marty got kicked to the curb for questioning Bungie's upper management back when the old execs left, and they were deciding on how much of the game to monetize. Funny enough, watching The Act Man interview with Marty regarding Bungie's twisted past gave light onto the whole situation. It should have nothing to do with politics. I think Byf is simply biased.
Dude says Marty O'Donnell was a welcome departure from Bungie? That immediately makes me discredit almost anything he has to say. Dude wanted Bungie to stay Bungie, not become Microsoft.
@@johndecker3306There was a recent interview that The Act Man has done with Marty O'Donnell that I reckon you watch. Call it politics if you want, and it is from Marty's perspective, but given the layoffs of CORE bungie creative minds over the years it really begs the question what's going on behind the scenes? The fact that Marty questioned WHY and even go against certain people being laid off makes me think there's something more to his "politics" and he actually tried to preserve those who made Bungie great. Now Bungie is just a shell of what was and you can obviously see it.
@@nightismonochrome Both can be true. I’m saying Byf’s opinion that Marty was a welcome departure is rooted in his politics. I agree with you that Marty saw the cliff and tried to stop Bungie from driving off of it..
Hey Cross, the Act Man has an interview with Marty O'Donnell and he gives a lot of good insight on inside Bungie leadership since the early day's back a microsoft and how it developed into the issues today, def worth checking out
@@TheSeanSpillane His beliefs shouldn't really intermingle with his understanding and tie-ins with leadership over at Bungie. He's worked with Bungie since the very beginning. LOL. Politics aside, he gives a lot of interesting insight on the culture at Bungie and the rather unfortunate changes that were occurring there from Halo to Destiny.
Byf has always been a Bungie ball licker, of course he's going to agree with any decisions they made. This company is the only reason he has a "job" over the last 10 years, lol.
I was sad seeing Destiny go to crap. I'm even more sad to see my respect for Byf plummet after his politically-charged hate being thrown at Marty. Regardless if you agree with the guy's politics, it's very documented how much good he did and how he tried to keep Bungie off the path they took. Bungie would have disappeared long ago without him, and there might have not even of been a Destiny to make a content career out of to begin with, remember that pal.
This is bitter sweet. It sucks that I won’t be playing Destiny anymore after logging 3k+ hours but I also feel free. Destiny saved my life in the earlier years when I didn’t look forward to anything else in life. But now that destiny is over, I am at a point in my life where destiny doesn’t need to feel the void anymore. I love you destiny and thank you Bungie for all of the joy and relationships I made along the way. Even from Halo 1. We make our own fate guardians. Time to make it without Bungie.
Yeah, I've seen Marty's interview by TheActMan, and tbh, Marty has a very interesting perspective on Bungie as a whole. Makes me wonder what Byf meant by that.
The "battle royals with loadout risk" need to stop being called "extraction shooters". They are just fancy battle royals. And battle royals have flooded the market for years now. Tarkov may be the best of all those "fancy battle royals" but more way more people have played destiny than than Tarkov. And when Sony gives you a billion dollars and you use it to make a game in a genre that doesn't have nearly the same size casual audience as your previous projects, of course Sony feels like they need to take over, and people need to be laid off. Obviously it doesn't help when the top dude at Bungie is buying cars with the money. But in mind of a crook, why not get yours if this is a sinking ship?
There’s a lot of mixed info out there, gotta admit I haven’t dug super deep, but there seems to be a few arguments that people go to. Some say it’s his politics, some people say he lied about his contributions constantly, and some just say he’s an asshole. Personally I find Marty incredibly interesting to listen to, I’ve seen him do quite some actually good work, and haven’t actually seen the evidence for him being as awful as people say, but it’s not a subject I paid any mind to until now. Guess it’s time to dig a bit. Even with my positive view of him I can see how people would struggle to work under him, but the level of vitriol is odd.
@@div3345 its very annoying to see all his slander, he majorly was a help towards keeping bungie bnungie however thats just why he was fired. Eveeryone acts like he was just a music guy but he wasnt. He was a core member of bungie and was on the board as well. He just didnt want bungie to be microsoft and hated Activision lying about being hands off.
He was hard to work with and is consider a trouble maker. But I might remind you this is an industry that expects it works to bend over and take it raw. Where 100+ hours crunch weeks for months is expected and demanded. The bar for being a trouble maker and difficult to work with is pathetic Lu low in the Video Game Industry.
I work higher up for a small company. During the pandemic we had meeting on planning for the business during and after the pandemic. We discussed multiple scenarios regarding the economy including the pandemic lasting for a short time, or a long time because back then no one knew. I find it hard to believe that bungie was just banking on the pandemic lasting for a long time. I think bungie did what most companies do and planned on both scenarios. I would not be surprised if bungie hired a bunch of new employees understanding that if the pandemic lasted for years they could gain huge revenue to fund incubation projects, but simultaneously planned that if the economy recovered in the short term, they would have new employees that were trained and making less than the older employees so that if layoffs happened, they could unload older employees that carried a higher cost burden. This would allow them to shrink in size, maintain more of their original staffing size pre pandemic and operate with less cost.
This is both such an inhuman and dumb way of looking at things. If the economy improves those low paid people will shop around for higher pay jobs with more experience now.
I worked at a subsidiary of the largest investment company in the world right under C-suite for 10 years. I left in December of 2020. These "people" were the most narcissistic imbeciles I have ever worked for in my 47 years. I went through 9 VP's (my direct boss) 2 CEOs, 4 HRs, and 2 CFOs along with many mid level coworkers. They were extremely reactive to the pandemic, and made comical and incorrect choices that everyone with no real power would have made. They were eventually financially bailed out, fired another CEO/President and fired a large portion of staff. My point is, so I can get off the toilet, is never underestimate the stupidity and lack of obvious foresight of people.
The other problem being I don’t think they expected NONE of the incubation projects to work out. Marathon had been planned for years but has been a nightmare behind doors clearly. Unfortunately though if ANY of the incubation projects had actually gone anywhere then Bungie wouldn’t be having such an issue. Like the point was to add stability to the company and in the end not one of them came to fruition and Destiny is continuously sinking.
As a long term player. I started with the April update for The Taken King. This is still insane to me. Never in a million years would I've thought this is where Destiny would end up.
Honestly I do hope Sony takes over what company do you expect to maintain profits when their new business plan is lowering the expectation of their customers.
This is starting to feel like beating a dead horse. I get this content might be interesting to some, but at some point you just have to accept that companies/leadership sucks and move on. We got the info from Jason Schreier about future plans/studio sentiment. I think that's a clear enough picture.
@@jaylenharris343short version? Leadership said Final Shape was make or break, and then did layoffs that were going to happen regardless. Leadership still isn't taking accountability for poor planning or taking pay cuts, and is now saying the same thing about Marathon being make or break. Destiny looks to be being put on a backburner slightly. All that, and Marathon reminded Jason Schreier of Suicide Squad of all things.
@@jaylenharris343 I think it was specifically the troubled development of Marathon that reminded him of Suicide Squad. Not necessarily the game/gameplay itself, but how poorly the studio is going about things.
You cannot spend years teaching your players that all content is temporary and that it will taken away eventually, and then be surprised that those players are reluctant to buy your latest expansion.
Aren't they not doing that anymore though? Also it was definitely a file size issue, there are no games this large and at this fidelity, the file sizes are already fucking crazy
I'm no lawyer, and I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I just think that someone might have done something to inflate the perceived value of a game studio. Sony should probably be investigating that. Or don't it's not my money.
Could you imagine if instead of going into marathon as the pvevp, that gambit became an extraction looter shooter within Destiny. Similar to what call of duty attempted in 2019. Load up 3-4 fireteams into a patrol zone like space that has the high value targets and you can either focus on your primeval targets or hunt down the other fireteams and steal their primeval or something along those lines then you “extract” when you wish to leave the game mode and another fireteam could load in and just keep the cycle going. Loot can be based off primeval kills, steals, or guardian defeats that increases based off performance/execution to reward gameplay and time investment
Extraction shooters make you lose all your loot when you die right? My experience is only 1 round of Hunt Showdown, but I feel like Destiny players would HATE losing all their loot over and over again. Especially since Destiny conditions you to grow attached to the stuff you grind for. Just look at how people reacted to Sunsetting. I think a MOBA like Battleborn would be a better replacement for Gambit, especially since there's no games in the FPS MOBA market now. Destiny also has all the tools and assets necessary in game right now to make stitch such a gamemode together.
@@thatonepenguinperson618 so instead of losing your loot you gain more loot based on performance within the match. Play poorly “two tokens and a blue” slay out it’s gonna rain loot.
Having come from Act Man's; Marty video. It's really hard not to have seen this coming!! That 'magic', Bungie created after Halo: Reach with D1 feels like a dream now... We only see the surface but obviously a lot has gone down since 2014.
Bungie management acted like they got a pool full of money and lost their marbles throwing it left and right except into their actual moneymaker Destiny
I’ve played this game since day one. Met my then girlfriend but now wife and had twins, bought a house, got a solid job while being a clan leader which we meet every year somewhere random of choice. It was an amazing journey that would eventually come to an end. We still hangout together online but it is sad that it is dying cut at the same time it is inevitable.
I feel bad for the Developers. I’m a Developer and can’t stress how many Times my Talents and Passions have been crushed by insecure and egoistic Managers. Not to mention all the 14-16 hrs of everyday crunch. Only to be called into the Conference Room one Morning to be told that you’ve been made redundant. I’ve lived through it and it was scary since I didn’t know how to pay my Rent and Bills and stuff. It was the most Stressful and Dark stretch of my Life.
Yeah being a dev right now is especially scary. But at least crunch is barely a thing in the west anymore. At least at Bungie and partner studios, no ody does overtime and it has great work life balance. So the people laid off loosing that is stinging
@@AnonymityIxI don't think that has anything to do with decisions from upper execs fucking everyone over. They generally do not give a shit about anything like LGBT stuff, but know to support it because loads of the best game devs are queer. Being a good game studio IS supporting any talent and making good games. Bungie fuck ups are upper execs fault for not listening to staff or players
seeing Byf diss this man after Marty did so much for gaming culture, supporting fans, and trying to keep Bungie's spirit alive makes me so disappointed in Byf. It was so deeply immature to wave the hand and say you were glad and approved of someone getting fired after they did so much for the fans. I enjoyed his lore videos a lot but I truly do not think I can support Byf's channel anymore if he is this swayed by personal beliefs and willing to be negative about others in the industry
I’m so lost, what is with the hate towards Marty O’Donnel??? I don’t understand the random trend of hating him, especially since without him we wouldn’t have the most iconic music in gaming history with the Bungie Halo soundtracks
Because he came out as a conservative and ran as a candidate for Nevada's 3rd congressional district. Conservative = evil and deserving of being canceled in some people's eyes. The left is full of lunatics.
I don’t get it either, but apparently devs and ground-floor workers behind closed doors have accused him of being a nasty person to work for? I don’t fully understand it and haven’t seen proof yet either.
I don't knoe if you've seen it, but TheActMan as had an interview with Marty O Donnel about the state and history of Bungie as a company. Byf's comment about Marty made me think of that, because Marty had an interesting perspective to share.
No one that doesn't play warframe understands warframe. I mean I've got over 2k hours and I couldn't boil warframe down to a single sentence either. That's the problem with people on youtube etc talking about games they haven't played, they have to have some kind of idea of what it is to be able to talk about it even just in passing, but that means that their understanding of those games is often flawed. That's just how it is though. Can't expect everyone to know everything about every game especially when people like byf specialise so hard on single titles
I’m curious why Byf believes Marty O’Donnell is a shady character and what facts are publicly available to back that up if he indeed is a problem child. Because before lightfall it would have been much more believable that maybe he the employee was the one with the problem. But it with how everything has turned out since then I’m FAR more inclined to believe the guy and his sentiments towards Bungie and its leadership. I’d understand if you’re in denial of this negativity surrounding your favorite game studio but man, that does not help the studio or the customers being that way if that’s how it is.
@@ThatOneguy-cg2sw he’s voting for a guy who tried to steal an election. Rolled back rights for women, and a lot more. Who he is voting for matters because it shows what type of person he is.
One fine day with a woof and a purr, a baby was born and it caused quite a stir. No blue buzzard, no three-eyed frog, just a feline canine little CatDog!
Hot take here, FINAL SHAPE WAS NOT THAT GOOD! Taken king was better, witch queen was better, even forsaken was much better. Most story missions were so boring mechanically and the arenas you fought in were meh and some dialogue was just boring and cringe. Relied far too heavily on nostalgia bating even though it was great to have cayde back. Witness was cool af but felt like I seen and heard him more in lightfall with the cutscenes with calus (which were great). New enemy race was great and the destination and the activities were really fun for a week. It had some fantastic moments but after two weeks the content was done.
Fighting alongside Saladin and being part of Shaxxs fire team during the battle of Twilight Gap to the last stand with him would have been so amazing as well. A game like Hyrule Warrors but Destiny could have been amazing
The problem is Bungie doesn't look outside the box. . . . Why does it have to be a new game? Why can't it be an expansion? Not saying it has to be paid expansion,. . . .and people are gunna hate this comment, but Teshin? New War? Warframe 1999?. . . There's other routes that could be taken that would have a HUGE impact on the story/game/franchise. I too would love to be a no named warrior fighting along side The Mountaintop Main!!!
Bungie management: Destiny 3 is a financial risk we're not willing to take Also, Bungie management: spurg out and chuck multiple random half-baked side projects at the wall hoping one of them sticks
Idk I love Byf content and i usually agree with him but the destiny magic is kind of gone for me I jump on but then I’m jumping right off it just don’t feel right but tht happens with games
Luke Smith was lead designer of Vault of Glass. I remember him in vidoc's when the looming "Destiny Raid" was the big fuss. We're talkin literal day 1 match to the woodpile that started the success of the game.
Sony would do a better job with d2 than Bungie. Havent played in like a month now and honestly i do not miss it. Bungie killed this game and its truly over. Myself and all my fellow clan founders left the game after 10 years. It was gun while it lasted but Bungie did this to themselves
Marathon *WILL* fail. Never has there been an upcoming game from a big studio with less hype than this. They have ruined their rep, they neglect their moneymaker and fans to make a "hero" shooter. No one likes hero shooters, they need to axe this project ASAP
1:49:22 gotta say I really agree with him here. Something I loved about the older raids is that they're all made up of different encounters with varying and different mechanics, but as bungie went forward and started making things like dungeons, they started making endgame content that just virtually repeats by expanding on one mechanic over and over again
@@cerebralassassin2185no lol Sony never cared about destiny. It was always to help develop sonys own live service products. Destiny was just bungie's portfolio showing they could milk players for time invested and had managed to monetize potential. That is worth billions.
@MynameisByf dude you have a catwalk level voice. It’s earthy, deep, smooth - that’s what you can listen to for hours. One of the best voices on the internet that I have heard.
Well, they asked me at work if I wanted to stay till 4:30, so this video will get me through that, so thank you, Aztecross, for doing the full 2 hours!
Its not that DLCs stopped being a profitable business model. Its that when you have so many DLCs in the game (that regularly has content you pay for removed) it makes it very hard and scary for the average Joe looking to get into Destiny to go through that. That is why a Destiny 3 is sooo important. It makes the game more accessible. Bungie releasing smaller DLCs will not fix the issue. Also the new light system is so unbelievably mind numbing to sit through that anyone who is new will probably just leave right after that.
Aztecross's Theory of the Winnower: Winnower: ::rubbing hands together:: "Good, good. A continuous test of the fittest." 😈 The Witness: "No more death. No more life. Only... Salvation." 👁☁️👁 Winnower: "...no more WHAT?! 😐" Aztecross: "And that's why the Winnower helped us!"
This will prob be the last Destiny 2 video I watch. Until it gets better I gotta let it go. Coming from a veteran who has loved the game since d1 launch, it can watch it fall apart. I love Aztecross but Im just gonna watch over types of his videos or someone else until Destiny (cope) gets better..... Eye's up Guardians.
*reminder, you will be banned for being a shitter*
IM ON TOILET, BAN ME
Let me poop in peace.
@@nailer40 well, hopefully it takes you 2 hours to take a shit, coz maybe it would be easier to sit through this video then
Fortnite
I'm gonna fling it across the room like a disgruntled Orangutan.
Hey everyone in the comments. I get it. Commentary on my appearance is fun, but… lay it off guys…
Those people are just looking for attention, sorry being a content creator has this kinda thing. You are amazing and a handsome guy! Your content and love of this game has made thousands if not millions love this game even more! You did what bungie should have as far as storytelling. Thank you @Byf we love you lore Daddy!!!! ❤️
Yeah people are dicks sorry bro
Don’t worry byf you are still the most attractive Brit I know
Don’t listen to them Byf, we love and respect the hell out of you
@@MynameisByf what the heck cringe. I’ve not seen one comment about your appearance dude. Buck up bucko, who cares if people on TH-cam think you’re pretty or not lol. That gave me sad donkey vibes from Winnie the Pooh 😂
2 hour Aztecross video right as soon as I'm about to get off my 2 hour train ride feels like a personal attack to me.
Lmao
Damn Cross should offer a personal apology and a GM/Lighthouse carry
Damn, that’s rough buddy
On the bright side: watch it on your way home after work(?)
Get back on the train
I feel you man
Knowing that Bungie A) neglected investing in D2 for years B) That there was 0 investment for a D3 and C) that Paybacks investment and potential was just tossed in the trash puts me in the camp of wanting Marathon to fail just to make a point to Parsons.
Honestly the fact that they charge so much for every dlc and then don't get me started on the everstore but the fact that they made so much money off us and spent it on themselves rather then the game is why I stopped playing D2 and won't play a game by bungie again
@@HowdyHowdy_ This is a problem with leadership and wanting Marathon to fail will punish not just Parsons but also the developers at Bungie who don’t deserve it. If investors can be made aware of how much lack of faith their audience (us) and the team (regular Bungie developers) have in leadership, a change will likely be made. We just have to be vocal about it. Sony wants to protect Bungie, they spent billions on the studio they’re not going to just flush that, and if the message they get is Bungie can turn around if bad leadership (which they are already not thrilled with Pete for basically exaggerating Bungie’s assets, and the absorbing developers was a move to save some employees by changing where paychecks come from while remaining potential assets to Bungie and even other studios.) is ousted, they will likely heavily consider it.
@@tehdaytripper89 If a change hasn't been made after the absolutely awful last 18 months, what makes you think the audience will sway Sony now?
Parsons has cut like a third of the studio of the year and essentially caught fluffing the numbers, and he's STILL there and leaving with a huge exit package in 2026.
Continuing to support Bungie is just continuing to support Parsons and his cronies at this point, the Devs deserve better but at some point you have to draw a line.
The best thing for Destiny is that all their incubation projects fail. Because Destiny is their money maker and they are using Destiny resources and earnings to fund other things. If those things fail they will ultimately go back to their only successful game.
Payback sounds like the absolute stupidest thing Bungie could have started working on so I’m glad that was canned
Destiny can fund 5 projects, yet refuse to commit to ur money maker. Bungie sold hard
Devs get bored too lol.
Ah yay destiny... Yay.... More boring skins to make guns and yeah not feeling want SUMTHIN new.
While not on this.
I understand lol
Something was up with leadership at bungie that’s what it was those people killed the game
Well put, why abandon your bread and butter for 5 hopes and dreams that may never even make it to final product release? Makes no sense at all!
Yeah that's what i was thinking when they said bungie had high burn rate like what the heck are they doing with that money, and then we have hoyo with 3 live service games active at the same time
So many of us always said "Bungie won't let Destiny 2 reach its full potential" stuff like this is why.
Bungie is a financial disaster that should be studied and print in Business school books.
The fact the ppl with 1000s of hours are leaving /playing less say all you need to know.
Bungie was able to fuck up so bad that people were able to beat their addiction to the game lol.
Yeah I mean my addiction isn’t completely gone but I have no interest in playing right now. I can’t even fight it.
I'm one of them , not entirely out (launch the game once this month)
Im actually not, but right now there is literally nothing to do until act 3 comes out, I can just finish some older raid seals for the title but Not really until the raids are not in Rotation, so I'm glad Black Myth came out recently.
Nah this is just a break
Trust me we’ll be back for act 3 and ep 2
Ofc some are gone for good only way we might actually be gone gone is if ep 2 is just pure garbage day one
*And also* have played another game that is addictive
Without both destiny players will never leave
Basically stopping a drug then being completely block from taking it again/ or you take it but it’s a hard pill to swallow AND you already have another drug that’s equally or more addictive
Aka destiny is crack and another game is fentanyl AND crack got banned and fentanyl is legal
That’s basically the only way
People are playing less until act 3 comes out. Im sure it'll be flooded again once it's out. Solstice saw a lot of people getting back on it again
Microsoft called Bungie a money burner years ago and knew of their problems. Sony just has to deal with the consequences now of bad leadership in a company they bought.
Correct.
100%
Replace Parsons' dumb ass and the problem is fucking solved. Can't believe how much he hates Destiny and how badly he'd love for it to fail despite it bringing so much money in.
Not that Sony is or would be better, but removing crappy management is the best start to making a company better. To fire a pea-on over a companies despair is ridiculous. A company failing starts at the top, your workers take your directions. It's not an employees fault for a managers misdirection... the devs always want better, but the people at the top don't care.
Sony was aware. That's why their contract included clauses to allow them to take over Bungie if profits fell through.
It’s kind of fkn WILD how the leaders were THIS lost… and yet they’re all gonna get Huge bonuses when they leave, after draining the company of talent, ideas, money and opportunity
that's the corporate run around for you. they switch the leaders around to different projects and fire the people that are actually doing work. Leadership NEVER suffers consequences in the corporate world.
All of this was enabled by yall spending on Eververse. Get your ingame spending under control = get better games.
@@hasuob1523 exactly 💯
I'm saying it now, Destiny fully under control of Sony with their own devs working with all the good ones still remaining with Bungie could make it work really well, Sony constantly produces banger games, so it makes sense that the future of Destiny will be brighter with Sony
While I don’t disagree that Sony can help out bungo, as long as Pete parsons stays, there’s no future for destiny other than EOS. Minus maybe a polished destiny 3, a lot of ppl will never come back
I agree but I'm hesitant to be too excited because it's Sony (arguably one of the better major gaming brands lol). It's crazy that Bungie went from being beloved to being one of the worst run gaming companies out there in a matter of 6ish years.
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I think Sony could maybe run things better, but the damage has also already been done. The audience is leaving a bit after the last few issues. So a Sony-run Destiny might just be too little too late.
idk bro Sony has been putting pressure on Bungie to actually make them money and bungo hasn't "delivered" in their eyes, I feel like we would get micro transactions out the wazoo if they fully take control but then again who knows
Byf’s shutter at Marty really doesn’t sit well. He clearly doesn’t know much about Marty’s contributions. Marty tried to protect bungie from Microsoft and keep them independent. Eventually they fired him because he didn’t agree with Bungie being sabotaged by a corporate third party.
Go watch The Act Man’s interview with Marty O’Donald. It is very enlightening.
I'm assuming he doesn't like him cause his out of company politics. It's enough to not take anything he says on this topic seriously because he's saying someone leaving the company is a good thing not because they were bad for the company or ruined projects, but because he doesn't like him. If that's not the case my had, but that's lately been the case since Marty got into politics.
That's what I was about to say. In the interview it looked like Marty was trying to prevent all this. Idk why people always have to get politics involved like "oh, you're voting for another party, I can't agree with anything you say now". That's just such bs and given his meticulous research on Lore I truely would have expected better of Byf.
@@DontEvenTripDawg0451 Byf is a pronouns in bio weirdo so that wouldn’t surprise me.
I stopped watching anything from Byf after seeing him using Pronouns on Twitter. Tells you everything these days.
@@derbestimmer1148 Thats a bit dramatic
I said it once and say it again: The fact that management deemed a D3 too risky says everything you need to know. They are completely lost. D3 with a new engine would be the fresh kickstart the franchise needed. And if Bungie will be taking over by Sony, they should just focus on that.
They wouldn’t use a new engine even if they did make a D3. It would be an updated Tiger engine seeing as that’s how Destiny feels like Destiny. The other problem being from an analytics standpoint Destiny doesn’t bring in players. That’s not just due to the AWFUL onboarding process and tutorial, but also because of how much negativity surrounds this brand. If you look up Destiny all you ever get is “dead game”, “layoffs”, “hate Bungie” etc. Keeping a franchise alive for over 10 years is a difficult process and frankly even a D3 has its risks. This game barely survived even when it had Activision funding it, I can easily see how D3 would be a nightmare of a possibility to make for them
Destiny doesn’t make the money or retain a player base like live service pvp games. Destiny has to come out with constant content while pvp games can poop out maps and skins and rake in profit. Destiny as a IP is a literal decades old franchise that has only hurt its own reputation in the pvp shooter world. It’d be like trying to invest into a dark souls pvp game, sure you could spend your time building a good dark souls like pvp game but the name dark souls will pull 0 pvpers and put off literally millions. The casual supers and abilities are so casual while the TTK makes consistent headshots a requirement. Idk what will be next but it will not be called destiny and will not play anything like destiny.
Soo if we did get a D3 now youd have those goons that are still on d1 stay in d1 and now ur gonna have even more goons stay on d2 cause they think d2 is the better destiny. Then ontop of that later down the road your gonna have you here again preaching for a d4
Sorry, why do people want a D3? I never really understood why. They should just change D2 to be just "Destiny" and just continue, since that's what it looks like they are doing
*Im sticking by what ive said last two months.*
*Sony closing down Bungie, and merging Destiny 2 and some staff into Sony themselves, within the next 12 months.*
I hope not. I forsee sony making tons of destiny exclusives
I agree. Bungie is setting up for a departure and leaving Destiny. Same setup they had with Halo.
@@christianclark402 If they do, I guess I'm going to say goodbye to Bungie as a Studio I care about. Sad thing to say, but it's true. They don't have Halo and they wouldn't have D2 and I have zero interest in investing time and effort into a Hero-Extraction Shooter Hybrid-thing or whatever else they have going on.
@@cerebralassassin2185 so long as it's just cosmetics... I'm not sure I could bring myself to care. I don't foresee them limiting exotics or dlc or anything Playstation exclusive in this day and age.
Destiny 2 will never be the same.
They will turn it into overwatch.
What pisses me off about this situation is Bungie didnt fund those other projects that they canceled WE DID. Our money that we put toward DESTINY was funneled off to other projects which didnt even get finished. I get it, theyre a company and they can spend the money they make however they want, but it really chaps my ass that the money that I put into the product I like didnt go toward supporting or improving that product at all.
Do you honestly believe this? Are Shadowkeep and TFS equivalent to you? Obviously, at least some of that money has been going back into the game.
Yeah most of the money for the other projects is sony money lol. Games are not developed democratically, companies chase profits and try their best not to care about consumers
Watching a 2 hr video on Destiny being dead is taking away from my Warframe grind
I smashed that like button though, because my momma taught me right.
I just listened to it lol gotta multitask while I’m on that warframe grind
Crackin relics on one screen and watching this on the other 🔥🔥
Literally playing Warframe rn
Me but with ffxiv lol
Remember when Microsoft publicly called Bungie a "money burner" some time ago and the monkey player base went crazy defending Bungie? Oh well...
Microsoft calling someone else a money burner is pretty ironic considering the huge amount of the money they're seemingly flushing down the drain with the acquisition of big companies.
dont be dick riding microsoft, the reason why Bungie is what it is is cause the old execs left and only the people that transferred from Microsoft remained as executives. Pete parson was a marketing guy from Microsoft
an add played then i skipped it. imagine my reaction when i turn away for a second and another add plays only for me to realise thats because aztecross got an add on his video seconds after.
Luke Smith is ABSOLUTELY one of the welcome departures - not a horrifying departure. Are you dinged? Luke may be representative of good times of destiny, but he was also the person that fold out the game and made the foundational game pathways that were ushered the downfall of the game. He notoriously ignored the will of the players and substituted his own flawed Vision that was universally hated and when he had opportunities to fix it, doubled down and made it worse. He is THE keystone of the downfall.
Bungie's management is a prime example of corporate greed. Management decides to sell out for billions of dollars to inflate their own pockets, then frantically scrambles to appease the new owners and share holders by overworking their employees to their breaking point. They then try anything and everything to scrape up as much money as possible at all costs and forget how to make a great product, which is what originally got them to where they were.
Wouldn’t even chalk it up to corporate greed, just poor leadership.
@@vcvvvALTA little bit of both, any big company like Bungie is going to be greedy. The people in charge do just seem like total idiots though.
What does byf mean by saying Martin was a welcome departure? Dude shared some music and thats it right?
nlg Cross getting ads is funny to me
I’m shocked he doesn’t have TH-cam Premium.
Marty O Donnell a welcome departure? Suspect? Dude was an INSTITUTION in gaming and audio/music as a whole.
100% a comment based on his political beliefs and not due to his ability as a Bungie employee. Kind of pathetic from Byf.
@javiermendez9880 some people are just incapable of separating art from artists.
@@javiermendez9880 wait was it political in nature? That would be even more tacky
Marty is a Trump supporter so it is good he got fired from Bungie, is what Byf is likely implying
Calling Marty a "welcome departure" is just such a bad, emotional take from Byf. Let me just say, that when Marty was a part of Bungie leadership, there was no need for content creators to fart out an endless string of lazy doomsday podcasts about the state of Destiny, and Bungie as a company. Because they were releasing great games. Not culling their workforce and aggressively attempting to reacquire employee stock before vesting. "So....yeah."
@@hectymcc remember that he was the first of the 7 big executive to leave, for sure the situation worsens after...
When Marty was a party of bungie destiny hadn't released yet lol
@@justifano7046 What’s your point? Mine is that Bungie was clearly in a better state when he was a part of it. Besides, he worked on the first Destiny until he was fired - it only released a few months after.
@@hectymcc why would youtubers be making destiny is doomed videos about a game that hasn't released yet?
There's 0 causation between the state of bungie and Marty working there.
@@justifano7046 it’s the current Bungie release, if Marty were still there, Sony would be out of the picture…people would not be getting fired like it’s going out of style, and the future of Destiny wouldn’t be in flux. Do you really need this spelled out for you?
Beat the dead horse cross. I love it.🎉
Actmans interview with marty makes all of this make sense.
When Bungie was still doing Halo but were starting on Destiny, internally amongst the team they probably said, "this is our "next" Halo." When they started "Payback" they probably referred to it as, " the next Destiny". The leader probably heard that, maybe saw that Destiny characters were being used and inferred that "Payback" was Destiny 3.
Marty O’Donnell was not a welcome departure that’s just false in so many ways, anyone here interested in the behind the scenes bungie story check out act man’s interview with him it’s eye opening
Martín o Biggot
@@bfedezl2018other then being a Republican what has he said or done to warrant a very serious label.
@cande0861 nothing. Theyre another mindless drone that gets their marching orders and ignores everything else
@cande0861 just being generally anti trans. You can be republican and not rude and an asshole. Made a right wing post about never buying from Gillette again because they made an ad about sexual harassment being bad. It's his right to be like "I didn't like that guy and am not gonna shed a tear over his departure" 🤷♂️
@@bfedezl2018Martin o' based
“Play warframe”
Mactics: word
@@dominikjachimczuk8397 yeah glad he’s enjoying it. I’ve seen Fallout stream WoW the past few days
lol true tho
Saying Marty was a welcome departure but it was sad Mark and Luke got let go is some kind of take from chief Bungie ball gobbler Byf, lmfao. Luke and Mark did much more damage to the game than good over the years and were two of the most arrogant people over at Bungie which led to the dev team having this massive air of superiority to the point they didn't think they had to listen to their players. Good riddance to those two.
Thank u I can't believe these bungie fanboys think sp highly of those worthless devs
@@TeKnoVKNG23 Byf is a clown. Marty is awesome.
He took down a long thread that said this. The truth hurts his bosses too much.
@@saphrix4587Marty is a PoS
@@bigfloppa9594 Sure random nobody
Luke Smith and Mark Noseworthy where the worst thing to happen to destiny.. Never forgot those are the two that brought you the Eververse and "seasonal" content/battle pass, made it so you had to buy every expansion, and the trigger word FOMO..They tricked Activision then Sony. Might even have wrote the book on flim flamin..>=)
Just remember the statement “we’re listening” was just a big a&& lie to get our money and hype. Probably my LAST Bungie game ever.
Oh for sure. However, I will take a D1 remaster though. But the chances of that happening are slim to none
Marathon is gonna be a bust in an over saturated extraction shooter market
not trying to defend marathon before even comes out but how exactly extraction shooters are saturated if there's like 3 big games out there? i can only think of tarkov, hunt showdown, and cod's warzone
@@jet6283 Dark and Darker + Dungeon Borne deserve some recognition
@@jet6283helldivers 2 as well
@@jet6283extraction shooters are a niche market to begin with thought that’s why. From all of the Tarkov CC that got to play marathon already they all said it was nowhere near worth stopping playing tarkov for so you’re developing a game for a smaller market and not even able to attract ppl away from the current big ones. Not a good recipe for success
Ah yes the over saturated extraction shooter market with, let me check, hunt showdown and vigor being the only two ones slightly popular and available on console… it’s a saturated market (barely) on PC and almost all of them fit into the same style and aesthetic trying to be like Tarkov. Marathon is a console game with a completely different style and thus will appeal to a much larger market than simply Tarkov fans.
Most console people don’t even know what an extraction shooter is outside of like Helldivers (and that’s barely) so Marathon being with Sony it’ll likely succeed rather well for many console players
Marti Odonnel was part of the original 7 BYF do your homework
9:38 Mark Noseworthy and Luke Smith were the masterminds behind double primary. Not a bad thing they are gone
Ikr , idk why people like Luke. Last good thing he did was back in d1
This would have worked for crucible in an actual competitive environment. Had they separated PVP and PVE entirely, as they should have from the start, this would have been a great format for an actual competitive playlist, which Destiny has not come REMOTELY close to producing in 10 years. It was, however, a total disaster for PvE. Good idea for competitive PvP, terrible execution overall.
Good Riddance for me! Luke Smith has it coming... he is arrogant, selfish and so up his own a s s.
@@Tzoppo11 vanilla D2 was catered for that, you just felt they wanted to make destiny into a competitive game. A way to do that is with everyone having the same weapon, no specials, no specials, small maps and 4v4. It would've work if they would've just kept this for pvp and not the rest of the game.
@xuxon24 Couldn't agree more. This was the ONLY time in all of Destiny history that they actually had a VISION for the PvP, and they immediately abandoned it. I will never forgive them for that. The lack of courage it displays to not stick to.your guns and simply provide a 6 v 6 Playlist to satiate the folks who want the unbalanced, unmitigated chaos, while retaining a strict 4 v 4 primary gunplay mode for competitive purposes, was staggering.
The reason TFS didnt save Bungie was because having a good expansion wasn't what we needed.
What we needed was for Bungie to change.
And this was because they lost a lot of their player base's trust (causing many to give up on D2 entirely) with LF.
LF broke the camel's back. Remember, LF sold much more copies than TFS did.
Overall, Bungo killed Destiny 2 and watched it bleed to death.
It’s also the end of the saga, about the worst time possible to jump in so your by design fighting to hold onto every single player shows attention you do have. Spoiler, TFS didn’t even do that.
😊bro you put up the hole 2 hours lmao. Guys he gone for the week so enjoy
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ez content for Cross 🤏🤏🤏
Man as destiny vet I’ll keep it really simple. The issue is not expansions, is not the content, and so many things people keep saying. The issue is DESTINY NEEDS MORE PLAYERS, it needs to grow and sunsetting the base game and other content absolutely killed it because no one want to jump into something half way thru. And that’s the truth… Destiny needed Destiny 3. When final shape ended they should have announced Destiny 3. With a new story new everything it might be hard for vets but it’s better to let go of the past than to loose it entirely
I am truly surprised that anyone was actually surprised there would be more layoffs. They were losing money and delayed a major expansion.
They crunched their employees to death just to fire them to save money.
I always saw this coming
I joined Destiny 2 when New Light came out and it went free, I liked the game and so I brought all the expansions up till New Light. I love farming and collecting and chasing after loots so I rushed through the missions in order to unlock Raids and get Exotics for collection, all the while thinking that I would just replay missions on my other character later on.
Then came Sunsetting, all the loots that I collected gone, EXPANSIONS THAT I PURCHASED gone, every new loot had expire on it (I know it's reverted now, but dmg is done already), all of this just killed my interest in game.
I came back in Beyond Light to try and play with new Stasis and I enjoyed it, but I didn't knew Cayde lore before and when I came back, I wanted to play it without rushing, but I literally could not play the thing THAT I PAID FOR!
Now tell me what reason do I have to give my money to these devs and buy a game with expire date on it, that too after getting scammed and losing the expansions I paid for?!
33:00 , pertaining to Warframe, that was my Forsaken protest game and whenever I have breaks from D2 and not in school. I was playing WF. The hilarious part is I made my move to PC and built up with my spouse. It's a comfort game with so much content that continues to evolve.
As much as I loved final shape, the glazing is insane 😭 how tf did it rate better than shadow of the erdtree lmao. What a joke.
What's so problematic about Martin O'Donnell to warrant calling him a welcomed departure? From the interview he did with the ActMan, he seems pretty benign
Can anyone elighten me on what Byf meant saying Martin O'Donnell was a welcome departure?
Because Marty is a conservative I think
He was fired, recently precised in a video also commented by cross
Marty got kicked to the curb for questioning Bungie's upper management back when the old execs left, and they were deciding on how much of the game to monetize. Funny enough, watching The Act Man interview with Marty regarding Bungie's twisted past gave light onto the whole situation. It should have nothing to do with politics. I think Byf is simply biased.
Dude says Marty O'Donnell was a welcome departure from Bungie? That immediately makes me discredit almost anything he has to say. Dude wanted Bungie to stay Bungie, not become Microsoft.
@@shadydesperado2590 He doesn’t like Marty’s politics. Bungie was never about politics when they were great.
@@johndecker3306There was a recent interview that The Act Man has done with Marty O'Donnell that I reckon you watch. Call it politics if you want, and it is from Marty's perspective, but given the layoffs of CORE bungie creative minds over the years it really begs the question what's going on behind the scenes? The fact that Marty questioned WHY and even go against certain people being laid off makes me think there's something more to his "politics" and he actually tried to preserve those who made Bungie great. Now Bungie is just a shell of what was and you can obviously see it.
@@nightismonochrome Both can be true. I’m saying Byf’s opinion that Marty was a welcome departure is rooted in his politics. I agree with you that Marty saw the cliff and tried to stop Bungie from driving off of it..
@@johndecker3306what is that speculation based off of?
Thank you for saving me time from watching this video. Guess I’ll just go watch something else👌
The act man made a video with Martie O'Donnell and he gave his experiences at bungie. Definitely worth looking at imo.
Agreed, I watched that fantastic video
Hey Cross, the Act Man has an interview with Marty O'Donnell and he gives a lot of good insight on inside Bungie leadership since the early day's back a microsoft and how it developed into the issues today, def worth checking out
Stop drinking Marty's Kool-Aid of lies.
@@TheSeanSpillaneso what koolaid are you drinking?
@SamSpade903 the one that, unlike Marty, supports trans rights.
@@TheSeanSpillane His beliefs shouldn't really intermingle with his understanding and tie-ins with leadership over at Bungie. He's worked with Bungie since the very beginning. LOL. Politics aside, he gives a lot of interesting insight on the culture at Bungie and the rather unfortunate changes that were occurring there from Halo to Destiny.
@@TheSeanSpillane Lol so what does that have to do with Destiny's management?
Can't believe they said O'Donnel was a good firing, smh
Byf has always been a Bungie ball licker, of course he's going to agree with any decisions they made. This company is the only reason he has a "job" over the last 10 years, lol.
I was sad seeing Destiny go to crap. I'm even more sad to see my respect for Byf plummet after his politically-charged hate being thrown at Marty. Regardless if you agree with the guy's politics, it's very documented how much good he did and how he tried to keep Bungie off the path they took. Bungie would have disappeared long ago without him, and there might have not even of been a Destiny to make a content career out of to begin with, remember that pal.
This is bitter sweet. It sucks that I won’t be playing Destiny anymore after logging 3k+ hours but I also feel free. Destiny saved my life in the earlier years when I didn’t look forward to anything else in life. But now that destiny is over, I am at a point in my life where destiny doesn’t need to feel the void anymore. I love you destiny and thank you Bungie for all of the joy and relationships I made along the way. Even from Halo 1. We make our own fate guardians. Time to make it without Bungie.
Did this BYF guy jusy say Marty was a welcome departure?
Yeah, I've seen Marty's interview by TheActMan, and tbh, Marty has a very interesting perspective on Bungie as a whole. Makes me wonder what Byf meant by that.
The "battle royals with loadout risk" need to stop being called "extraction shooters". They are just fancy battle royals. And battle royals have flooded the market for years now. Tarkov may be the best of all those "fancy battle royals" but more way more people have played destiny than than Tarkov. And when Sony gives you a billion dollars and you use it to make a game in a genre that doesn't have nearly the same size casual audience as your previous projects, of course Sony feels like they need to take over, and people need to be laid off. Obviously it doesn't help when the top dude at Bungie is buying cars with the money. But in mind of a crook, why not get yours if this is a sinking ship?
Why was marty a "welcome departure"?
There’s a lot of mixed info out there, gotta admit I haven’t dug super deep, but there seems to be a few arguments that people go to. Some say it’s his politics, some people say he lied about his contributions constantly, and some just say he’s an asshole.
Personally I find Marty incredibly interesting to listen to, I’ve seen him do quite some actually good work, and haven’t actually seen the evidence for him being as awful as people say, but it’s not a subject I paid any mind to until now. Guess it’s time to dig a bit. Even with my positive view of him I can see how people would struggle to work under him, but the level of vitriol is odd.
@@div3345 its very annoying to see all his slander, he majorly was a help towards keeping bungie bnungie however thats just why he was fired. Eveeryone acts like he was just a music guy but he wasnt. He was a core member of bungie and was on the board as well. He just didnt want bungie to be microsoft and hated Activision lying about being hands off.
Marty doesnt lean the same way as Byf.
Was a bigot
He was hard to work with and is consider a trouble maker. But I might remind you this is an industry that expects it works to bend over and take it raw. Where 100+ hours crunch weeks for months is expected and demanded. The bar for being a trouble maker and difficult to work with is pathetic Lu low in the Video Game Industry.
Cross having to deal with f'in midroll ads is the Realest thing ever
Final Shape is sitting at an 8.9 critic score and a 7.6 user.
I work higher up for a small company. During the pandemic we had meeting on planning for the business during and after the pandemic. We discussed multiple scenarios regarding the economy including the pandemic lasting for a short time, or a long time because back then no one knew.
I find it hard to believe that bungie was just banking on the pandemic lasting for a long time. I think bungie did what most companies do and planned on both scenarios.
I would not be surprised if bungie hired a bunch of new employees understanding that if the pandemic lasted for years they could gain huge revenue to fund incubation projects, but simultaneously planned that if the economy recovered in the short term, they would have new employees that were trained and making less than the older employees so that if layoffs happened, they could unload older employees that carried a higher cost burden. This would allow them to shrink in size, maintain more of their original staffing size pre pandemic and operate with less cost.
This is both such an inhuman and dumb way of looking at things. If the economy improves those low paid people will shop around for higher pay jobs with more experience now.
Makes sense from a business POV. Still doesn't make things better now but helps to understand the logic behind some decisions
I worked at a subsidiary of the largest investment company in the world right under C-suite for 10 years. I left in December of 2020. These "people" were the most narcissistic imbeciles I have ever worked for in my 47 years. I went through 9 VP's (my direct boss) 2 CEOs, 4 HRs, and 2 CFOs along with many mid level coworkers. They were extremely reactive to the pandemic, and made comical and incorrect choices that everyone with no real power would have made. They were eventually financially bailed out, fired another CEO/President and fired a large portion of staff.
My point is, so I can get off the toilet, is never underestimate the stupidity and lack of obvious foresight of people.
The other problem being I don’t think they expected NONE of the incubation projects to work out. Marathon had been planned for years but has been a nightmare behind doors clearly. Unfortunately though if ANY of the incubation projects had actually gone anywhere then Bungie wouldn’t be having such an issue. Like the point was to add stability to the company and in the end not one of them came to fruition and Destiny is continuously sinking.
That's not the issue here at least not the biggest one, the CEO wants bungie to ba a big studio with many IPs so he can buy more cars
As a long term player. I started with the April update for The Taken King. This is still insane to me. Never in a million years would I've thought this is where Destiny would end up.
Honestly I do hope Sony takes over what company do you expect to maintain profits when their new business plan is lowering the expectation of their customers.
As a vet player it’s sad to see this happened after such a banger expansion, at this point I just want Sony to take over destiny2
This is starting to feel like beating a dead horse.
I get this content might be interesting to some, but at some point you just have to accept that companies/leadership sucks and move on. We got the info from Jason Schreier about future plans/studio sentiment. I think that's a clear enough picture.
They simply want the cash. Jason was probably the last journalist we will ever see to be that good.
What was it about, if you don't mind explaining.
@@jaylenharris343short version? Leadership said Final Shape was make or break, and then did layoffs that were going to happen regardless. Leadership still isn't taking accountability for poor planning or taking pay cuts, and is now saying the same thing about Marathon being make or break. Destiny looks to be being put on a backburner slightly. All that, and Marathon reminded Jason Schreier of Suicide Squad of all things.
@@dawnsluna5702 Man, that's messed up. And Suicide Squad, that game freaking failed and Marathon reminded him of that? Jeez.
@@jaylenharris343 I think it was specifically the troubled development of Marathon that reminded him of Suicide Squad. Not necessarily the game/gameplay itself, but how poorly the studio is going about things.
Just a suggestion Cross, timestamps on long videos like this helps a lot, anyways, big fan here, cheers
You cannot spend years teaching your players that all content is temporary and that it will taken away eventually, and then be surprised that those players are reluctant to buy your latest expansion.
Aren't they not doing that anymore though? Also it was definitely a file size issue, there are no games this large and at this fidelity, the file sizes are already fucking crazy
I'm no lawyer, and I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I just think that someone might have done something to inflate the perceived value of a game studio. Sony should probably be investigating that. Or don't it's not my money.
The Act Man and Marty O’Donnell interview is amazing too. Hope you react to it as well. 🙏
Could you imagine if instead of going into marathon as the pvevp, that gambit became an extraction looter shooter within Destiny. Similar to what call of duty attempted in 2019. Load up 3-4 fireteams into a patrol zone like space that has the high value targets and you can either focus on your primeval targets or hunt down the other fireteams and steal their primeval or something along those lines then you “extract” when you wish to leave the game mode and another fireteam could load in and just keep the cycle going. Loot can be based off primeval kills, steals, or guardian defeats that increases based off performance/execution to reward gameplay and time investment
Extraction shooters make you lose all your loot when you die right? My experience is only 1 round of Hunt Showdown, but I feel like Destiny players would HATE losing all their loot over and over again. Especially since Destiny conditions you to grow attached to the stuff you grind for. Just look at how people reacted to Sunsetting.
I think a MOBA like Battleborn would be a better replacement for Gambit, especially since there's no games in the FPS MOBA market now. Destiny also has all the tools and assets necessary in game right now to make stitch such a gamemode together.
Based as fuck.
@@thatonepenguinperson618 so instead of losing your loot you gain more loot based on performance within the match. Play poorly “two tokens and a blue” slay out it’s gonna rain loot.
Having come from Act Man's; Marty video. It's really hard not to have seen this coming!!
That 'magic', Bungie created after Halo: Reach with D1 feels like a dream now... We only see the surface but obviously a lot has gone down since 2014.
Bungie management acted like they got a pool full of money and lost their marbles throwing it left and right except into their actual moneymaker Destiny
I’ve played this game since day one. Met my then girlfriend but now wife and had twins, bought a house, got a solid job while being a clan leader which we meet every year somewhere random of choice. It was an amazing journey that would eventually come to an end. We still hangout together online but it is sad that it is dying cut at the same time it is inevitable.
I feel bad for the Developers. I’m a Developer and can’t stress how many Times my Talents and Passions have been crushed by insecure and egoistic Managers. Not to mention all the 14-16 hrs of everyday crunch. Only to be called into the Conference Room one Morning to be told that you’ve been made redundant. I’ve lived through it and it was scary since I didn’t know how to pay my Rent and Bills and stuff. It was the most Stressful and Dark stretch of my Life.
Yeah being a dev right now is especially scary. But at least crunch is barely a thing in the west anymore. At least at Bungie and partner studios, no ody does overtime and it has great work life balance. So the people laid off loosing that is stinging
I’m glad Cross uploads whole videos he reacts too. All my Destiny content in one place instead of multiple channels. Praise!
Gotta watch the Act Mans video about bungie and you’ll have a better understanding of why bungie is a shell of the bungie we fell in love with.
Marty gets tossed around because he’s a conservative. Really bro? Have some respect for one of the greatest gaming composers of our generation.
Can't have that! Conservatives, even though Marty was more libertarian, are bad!!!
Bungie spent too much time on LGBTQ stuff and not enough time focusing on just being a good game studio
Yea it's hard to separate the work from the artist when the artist says some bigoted shit ya know lol
@@AnonymityIxI don't think that has anything to do with decisions from upper execs fucking everyone over. They generally do not give a shit about anything like LGBT stuff, but know to support it because loads of the best game devs are queer. Being a good game studio IS supporting any talent and making good games. Bungie fuck ups are upper execs fault for not listening to staff or players
Marty was a prick apparently
seeing Byf diss this man after Marty did so much for gaming culture, supporting fans, and trying to keep Bungie's spirit alive makes me so disappointed in Byf. It was so deeply immature to wave the hand and say you were glad and approved of someone getting fired after they did so much for the fans. I enjoyed his lore videos a lot but I truly do not think I can support Byf's channel anymore if he is this swayed by personal beliefs and willing to be negative about others in the industry
I’m so lost, what is with the hate towards Marty O’Donnel??? I don’t understand the random trend of hating him, especially since without him we wouldn’t have the most iconic music in gaming history with the Bungie Halo soundtracks
Because he came out as a conservative and ran as a candidate for Nevada's 3rd congressional district.
Conservative = evil and deserving of being canceled in some people's eyes. The left is full of lunatics.
Bungie shills and bootlickers.
I don’t get it either, but apparently devs and ground-floor workers behind closed doors have accused him of being a nasty person to work for? I don’t fully understand it and haven’t seen proof yet either.
Woke and Thin Skinned people at bungie lmao
@@div3345 to me, that just sounds like Bungie being bitter that he won the lawsuit. Not uncommon
😂 hate Marty all you want he blew the whistle on the new management years ago
@@MadMax-09 Byf is a pronouns in bio weirdo so it makes sense he likes the current Bungo instead of the old guard.
@@saphrix4587 how is he a “pronoun” guy, I’m actually uneducated on this topic
He won a lawsuit against Bungie then had to pay all of it back due to playing stupid games. This y’all goat? 😂
@@terribletimes902 “this yall goat” Did that extra chromosome kick in there?
I don't knoe if you've seen it, but TheActMan as had an interview with Marty O Donnel about the state and history of Bungie as a company. Byf's comment about Marty made me think of that, because Marty had an interesting perspective to share.
1:16:52 ok so Byf doesnt understand warframe.
Lmao😂
No one that doesn't play warframe understands warframe. I mean I've got over 2k hours and I couldn't boil warframe down to a single sentence either.
That's the problem with people on youtube etc talking about games they haven't played, they have to have some kind of idea of what it is to be able to talk about it even just in passing, but that means that their understanding of those games is often flawed. That's just how it is though. Can't expect everyone to know everything about every game especially when people like byf specialise so hard on single titles
I’m curious why Byf believes Marty O’Donnell is a shady character and what facts are publicly available to back that up if he indeed is a problem child. Because before lightfall it would have been much more believable that maybe he the employee was the one with the problem. But it with how everything has turned out since then I’m FAR more inclined to believe the guy and his sentiments towards Bungie and its leadership. I’d understand if you’re in denial of this negativity surrounding your favorite game studio but man, that does not help the studio or the customers being that way if that’s how it is.
He’s shady because he’s a Trump supporter. You have to be crazy to support that dude at this point.
@@grymjawBro they are making a video game not making policy. Who cares who he votes for?
@@ThatOneguy-cg2sw he’s voting for a guy who tried to steal an election. Rolled back rights for women, and a lot more. Who he is voting for matters because it shows what type of person he is.
6:40 min in and I realize Byf never watched the show CatDog
Not on British stations
One fine day with a woof and a purr, a baby was born and it caused quite a stir. No blue buzzard, no three-eyed frog, just a feline canine little CatDog!
@@Korban311 Thank you! 😂😂
Weird. I watched it in England...
Hot take here, FINAL SHAPE WAS NOT THAT GOOD! Taken king was better, witch queen was better, even forsaken was much better. Most story missions were so boring mechanically and the arenas you fought in were meh and some dialogue was just boring and cringe. Relied far too heavily on nostalgia bating even though it was great to have cayde back. Witness was cool af but felt like I seen and heard him more in lightfall with the cutscenes with calus (which were great). New enemy race was great and the destination and the activities were really fun for a week. It had some fantastic moments but after two weeks the content was done.
I 100% agree
byf never watched catdog when he was younger
Fighting alongside Saladin and being part of Shaxxs fire team during the battle of Twilight Gap to the last stand with him would have been so amazing as well. A game like Hyrule Warrors but Destiny could have been amazing
The problem is Bungie doesn't look outside the box. . . . Why does it have to be a new game? Why can't it be an expansion? Not saying it has to be paid expansion,. . . .and people are gunna hate this comment, but Teshin? New War? Warframe 1999?. . . There's other routes that could be taken that would have a HUGE impact on the story/game/franchise. I too would love to be a no named warrior fighting along side The Mountaintop Main!!!
Man did not dismiss the goat that is Marty O’Donnel
Bungie management:
Destiny 3 is a financial risk we're not willing to take
Also, Bungie management: spurg out and chuck multiple random half-baked side projects at the wall hoping one of them sticks
Idk I love Byf content and i usually agree with him but the destiny magic is kind of gone for me I jump on but then I’m jumping right off it just don’t feel right but tht happens with games
Luke Smith was lead designer of Vault of Glass. I remember him in vidoc's when the looming "Destiny Raid" was the big fuss. We're talkin literal day 1 match to the woodpile that started the success of the game.
Something from over 10 years ago? One hit wonder
a dynasty warriors-type destiny game would slap so hard
Sony would do a better job with d2 than Bungie. Havent played in like a month now and honestly i do not miss it. Bungie killed this game and its truly over. Myself and all my fellow clan founders left the game after 10 years. It was gun while it lasted but Bungie did this to themselves
Marty O recently gave a interview that was super good
With some useful information. Not just crocodile tears for clicks.
Marathon *WILL* fail.
Never has there been an upcoming game from a big studio with less hype than this.
They have ruined their rep, they neglect their moneymaker and fans to make a "hero" shooter.
No one likes hero shooters, they need to axe this project ASAP
They won’t. They are literally 300M in the hole with this game and 6 years of development
You should check out @TheActMan video interview with Marty O'donnell.
He did
Takes a while for streams to be in vid form
Plus he’s out of town so we’ll probably get it tomorrow or something
We’re in the filler arc rn 😢
No, he shouldn't shine any light on that bigot.
@brienhays5508 😆😆😆😆😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 accusations and no proof no source but more than all that you don't even wanna converse. You are the problem.
1:49:22 gotta say I really agree with him here. Something I loved about the older raids is that they're all made up of different encounters with varying and different mechanics, but as bungie went forward and started making things like dungeons, they started making endgame content that just virtually repeats by expanding on one mechanic over and over again
Is it just me to but the relentless wave after wave seems worse taking away from puzzles/mechanics. Or maybe I'm just tired of the same old same old.
@@sfwilliams32 nah immediately spawning ads right after you just cleared them is definitely the destiny equivalent to busy work
I thought part of the reason Sony bought Bungie was to aid in the creation of a Destiny TV series and/or movie!
Yeah that was the reason im pretty sure. Idk what changed in it
@@cerebralassassin2185no lol
Sony never cared about destiny.
It was always to help develop sonys own live service products.
Destiny was just bungie's portfolio showing they could milk players for time invested and had managed to monetize potential.
That is worth billions.
@@justifano7046 that's antisemitic!
@MynameisByf dude you have a catwalk level voice. It’s earthy, deep, smooth - that’s what you can listen to for hours. One of the best voices on the internet that I have heard.
Well, they asked me at work if I wanted to stay till 4:30, so this video will get me through that, so thank you, Aztecross, for doing the full 2 hours!
I haven't played destiny in a year but I love these videos for insight
Its not that DLCs stopped being a profitable business model. Its that when you have so many DLCs in the game (that regularly has content you pay for removed) it makes it very hard and scary for the average Joe looking to get into Destiny to go through that. That is why a Destiny 3 is sooo important. It makes the game more accessible. Bungie releasing smaller DLCs will not fix the issue.
Also the new light system is so unbelievably mind numbing to sit through that anyone who is new will probably just leave right after that.
You should watch the Act man interview
Byf looks like if Patrick became a human
The story's over, we need to move on for better or worse.
Aztecross's Theory of the Winnower:
Winnower:
::rubbing hands together::
"Good, good. A continuous test of the fittest." 😈
The Witness:
"No more death. No more life. Only... Salvation." 👁☁️👁
Winnower:
"...no more WHAT?! 😐"
Aztecross:
"And that's why the Winnower helped us!"
This will prob be the last Destiny 2 video I watch. Until it gets better I gotta let it go. Coming from a veteran who has loved the game since d1 launch, it can watch it fall apart. I love Aztecross but Im just gonna watch over types of his videos or someone else until Destiny (cope) gets better..... Eye's up Guardians.