Totally understand what you are saying here. It’s not part of the syllabus so their use is questionable. Great if it works, in trouble if it doesn’t. I was a Swift Water Rescue Instructor before I retired so comfortable with slings and that particular knot (different application) so would potentially consider using it as would be marginally quicker than the traditional set up. Would I carry a sling and karabiner. Not sure yet. Still a trainee! Good video as ever 👍
I've never even considered this being an issue, so I've learnt something new today. I'm not an ML, but do plan to do the training, when funds permit. I was supposed to do it last autumn, but had to pull out last minute annoyingly. 🙄 If I was taking a mate scrambling and they needed to rope up on a section, I'd use the sling and Italian hitch method (assuming there was a suitable rock spike). I'm now second guessing myself!? I've done plenty of lead climbing, but don't use the Italian hitch there obviously. Lots to ponder..... 👍
Sling and an Italian are great where appropriate, often ideal! Hope you get sorted on an ML, great courses. The ML aims to keep systems as simple and robust as possible, keeping in mind it’s aimed at walkers not climbers, so slings aren’t standard.
@@JBMountainSkills Yeah, I realised/remembered, after posting, that you were talking purely in terms of the ML. 😚 In terms of the ML, is there a bolt on/CPD that would cover you for taking people scrambling? Or would that require an MCI? Thanks 👍
Did the ML course in 2008 and I'm sure we were taught to use the sling, they are useful for lowering to whoever is following you to use as a hand hold or to pull them up as well as a bit of confidence roping as you said. But for me they belong inside your daysack. Not a fan of the rope and crab hanging off the bag, you don't want the client wondering about the route before you've even left the car park.
Sling mmmmm. Route choice? Are the lemons lining up if you are taking one? If you don’t know the clients it might be a choice. I suppose it also relies on what you might find out in your chat about the clients aims and aspirations for the day. You need to look at your own competency, experience and current status on using that kit. If you are an RCI you should be competent to belay on an Italian hitch, but the caveat is the single point anchor. Rope diameter is also a consideration if you have a skinny rope can you belay effectively - have you practised?However MLs should understand the reasoning behind that selection process. That said not using a sling. Get some CPD and think very carefully about why you are taking the sling and how you might avoid it.
Very useful again. Thanks. Still got my fingers crossed will be with you for assessment in August!
Keep 'em crossed!
Totally understand what you are saying here. It’s not part of the syllabus so their use is questionable. Great if it works, in trouble if it doesn’t. I was a Swift Water Rescue Instructor before I retired so comfortable with slings and that particular knot (different application) so would potentially consider using it as would be marginally quicker than the traditional set up. Would I carry a sling and karabiner. Not sure yet. Still a trainee! Good video as ever 👍
I like the new intro music! Keep it in
Cheers, thanks for the feedback!
I've never even considered this being an issue, so I've learnt something new today. I'm not an ML, but do plan to do the training, when funds permit. I was supposed to do it last autumn, but had to pull out last minute annoyingly. 🙄
If I was taking a mate scrambling and they needed to rope up on a section, I'd use the sling and Italian hitch method (assuming there was a suitable rock spike). I'm now second guessing myself!?
I've done plenty of lead climbing, but don't use the Italian hitch there obviously.
Lots to ponder..... 👍
Sling and an Italian are great where appropriate, often ideal!
Hope you get sorted on an ML, great courses. The ML aims to keep systems as simple and robust as possible, keeping in mind it’s aimed at walkers not climbers, so slings aren’t standard.
@@JBMountainSkills Yeah, I realised/remembered, after posting, that you were talking purely in terms of the ML. 😚
In terms of the ML, is there a bolt on/CPD that would cover you for taking people scrambling? Or would that require an MCI?
Thanks 👍
Excellent comments here ...get good basics , so important ....good principles and no gimmicks.
Did the ML course in 2008 and I'm sure we were taught to use the sling, they are useful for lowering to whoever is following you to use as a hand hold or to pull them up as well as a bit of confidence roping as you said. But for me they belong inside your daysack. Not a fan of the rope and crab hanging off the bag, you don't want the client wondering about the route before you've even left the car park.
Some people show them, less so these days though I think. You're right though, definitely not hanging off the pack!
Sling mmmmm. Route choice? Are the lemons lining up if you are taking one? If you don’t know the clients it might be a choice. I suppose it also relies on what you might find out in your chat about the clients aims and aspirations for the day. You need to look at your own competency, experience and current status on using that kit. If you are an RCI you should be competent to belay on an Italian hitch, but the caveat is the single point anchor. Rope diameter is also a consideration if you have a skinny rope can you belay effectively - have you practised?However MLs should understand the reasoning behind that selection process. That said not using a sling. Get some CPD and think very carefully about why you are taking the sling and how you might avoid it.
Yes, avoidance is definitely the way forwards...! I take a 240cm everywhere I go... it's the dogs lead!