You can get carbon grip paste from (pedal) bike shops - it's normally used when inserting a carbon seatpost... you don't want to exceed torque settings as you risk fracturing the post but, due to the smooth finish of the carbon post, the posts can slip into the frame as you ride. Grip paste stops this. I'd take the fixing bolt out one side at a time, make sure there is fresh loctitie on it but also add a dab of grip paste around the flanges/interface area then torque back up.
Here in the USA, you'll never catch me on a hi-way or city street. The only roads I ride, are the ones on the map with no names or route numbers. Just the narrow squiggly gray lines on the paper map. I especially love the roads that hug a river bank. My own personal roller coaster! Might be time for me to pull the trigger on my last road machine, & Guzzi is at the top of the list right now.
Yes. The same goes for here in southern California. I think it would be difficult to love this motorbike if you lived in the mostly flat UK . . . besides, they ride on the wrong side of the road there! 😉
The name 'Stone' is derived from a little known miracle. In April 1965 a stone tablet fell from the sky and landed in the garden at the Vatican. It had indecipherable inscriptions and figures on it. One of the monks had a brother in Mondelo who worked at Moto Guzzi. He showed the tablet to his brother and the brother instantly recognized detailed plans for a motorcycle. This was considered a miracle as he was the only person who could understand the inscriptions. He went to work and built the first V7 from these inscribed plans. Behold the world's most perfect motorcycle. This is how the V7 Stone got it's name. The design that was inscribed in stone by God himself.
Had mine for 6 weeks and I just spent the €200 on the standard Guzzi screen (only option available at the moment where I live.) It's transformed the bike. I'm not surprised Saffron hasn't got on with it if she's been battering the motorways with no wind protection or luggage capacity. I've gone from more or less enjoying riding it to actually looking forward to going to work when it's only 3 degrees outside!
I have a Dart Marlin on mine. It maybe, if, but, adds just 5mph to where the wind buffeting becomes tiring. Mainly it disguises the Topolino ears. The only way to avoid that fatigue on a naked bike is to stick to 70-ish on a motorway (I know, eat lunch, read newspaper). Motorways are really really really really boring and best avoided. Sometimes motorways cannot be avoided, they are for long journeys and there is a temptation to open the throttle (watch the birdie, cameras). But as air resistance rises with the square of velocity, that constant wind pressure can wear you out after a while. You want a Goldwing for what, it's got heaters too.
I think by calling the Stone version "bog standard" is missing the point somewhat. It's the modern retro, with LCD clocks and easy to clean mag wheels, perfect for a city commuter who wants to look cool and have little maintenance.
They're not ordinary mag wheels neither. Moto Guzzi designed them to flex and have the feel of spokes. Spoke do still have a more comfortable ride and are less liable to breaking when hit hard, kerbs and potholes can break an alloy (which is why off-road is steel rim and spokes only).
@@jeffslade1892 interesting that you mention the engineered in flex. I thought the design looked weak, because the spokes are not attached radially to the hub & rim.
@@savage22bolt32 I noticed that on the new one. The older design is radial but the alloy "spokes" have a bend in them. I gather they use an aircraft grade alloy that can flex a bit and does not fatigue as quickly as normal alloy wheels do. Even so, alloys are not for off-road use.
4500 miles on my 2021 v7. No reliability issues. It is hard to get in neutral when stopped. Gearbox is clunky but just a Characteristic inherent of the bike style. Character and feel is best way to describe the bike and it is super nimble, one of easiest bikes I've rode when comes to initiating quick effortless turn in.
What kind of mpg are you getting? I have a V7 Stornello in my sights, but i hear getting much more than 50mpg is slow work. Kind of ruined by owning a bike that will do 80mpg, but pretty souless.
@@skaraborgcraft I’m doing a lot of highway miles with my V7. I’m averaging between 60 to 70 mpg. I don’t drive crazy but do rev it to adjust to traffic
A lot of other riders have found the 850 lacks the charisma of the earlier models. It has more power but the peak torque is now at 5000rpm, not down at 2800rpm on the V7ii - 50hp at 6200 and 60 Nm at 2800 giving it a practically flat power band from below 2500 to the rev limiter somewhere around 7400rpm, a spread of about 5000rpm. With the 850 they have had to work at the gears a lot more. The peak torque on the V7 III was also up at 4900rpm and the rev limiter lower, which required more rider input too. The V7ii had a fair bit of power above the peak power compared to the V7 III which nose-dived nothing left and consequently has a higher top speed. A similar problem which has been addressed between the old Triumph Tigger and the new model, a lot more low-down torque. Despite only having half the ponies I found the V7ii could produce a significantly faster pace than the older fistful of nothing Tigger 800 which needed a lot of effort to keep it on the boil, handled like a barn door too. Having the power there under your right hand all the time produces a very relaxed ride. Having that effortless power means that instead of dropping two cogs to overtake a car, on the V7ii it can be change up then open throttle. A car is not competition, it is a mobile chicane. Sometimes less is more. The MGCT can be turned off. If you do that you notice it is working, without putting the warning lamp on which it will only do if it has lost the plot (beware of Pirelli tyres doing that). It is very unobtrusive and gradual but effective on wet bends. If the headlamp moves, put an Allen key in the bolt and tighten it.
Jeff,you sound like you have a good handle on the information I'm looking for. The V7ii with the 2800 rpm peak torque is the one I want. Do you know what model years I should be looking for? (I assume the V7 III is a newer bike) PS 98% of my riding is on twisty, hilly back roads in NE corner of USA.
@@savage22bolt32 seriously, you do not have twisty back roads in the USA. English lanes are maybe 9 ft wide with grass growing up the middle and tight bends. Lane literally means cow-path, designed by cattle. What you have are like our rural B-roads, really nice on a Guzzi, moderately fast sweeps. But if they've got straight bits they're probably roman and about as flat and level as a fairground ride. The little lanes are best left to the specialist turns on a sixpence Enfield 500 - it's actually a "heavy trials bike" (and won a lot of prizes at that). We've had american guests here who have been shocked at how twisty our main A-rods are, I've no idea what they'd make of our D-road mouse tracks ;) The V7ii was 2015 and 2016 but you may find 2014 and 2017. The V7III was 2017 on. The V7 IV (850) 2021-on. I had wanted a Guzzi since the 80s. So I test rode both at the same dealer in 2018 - a used V7ii and a brand new V7 III. Neither lacked power. Both were comfortable and easy to ride, no vices. But I had to make a choice. The V7 III didn't like to potter at town stop-start traffic speeds as nicely as the V7ii. Although they will bumble along at low revs, the V7 motor is quite revvy. Whereas the V7ii would happily go clean over the peak power revs, with the V7 III it was like hitting a wall; more important in intermediate gears. I later learnt to use the torque by changing up before overtaking a car (aka mobile chicane). I prefer a relaxed ride, I don't want to think too much about operating the motorbike - the Tigger 800 was constant gear changes. I like to enjoy the scenery not study the tarmac. It's very easy to go too fast and get a ticket, or an ambulance. Hence partly my preference to get off the main roads and out of the heavy traffic, they're not a lot of fun - which is what a bike is for.. Because the motor will happily run at any revs it really does need a tacho to remind you to change up. The gear change indicator on the V7 III was nice but I can count up to six.
@@jeffslade1892 Jeff, thank you for the very thoughtful reply. My daughter married a British lad from Sompton/Worthing. When I flew over to meet the in-laws, they never took me on any of these narrow lanes. I will scold them for that lapse! I found a 2016 V7 about an hour drive away, so l will look at that. Currently, I'm riding a CRF250L, and after riding a couple of hours, my left hand cramps up from all the shifting. I'm not a speed demon, my most enjoyable miles are lugging an engine & putting around, especially in October when the leaves are changing color. I can't wait until my next trip across the pond. Planning to rent a bike and spend time out on my own. One thing on my bucket list is to hit some of Ireland, and ride the TT circuit on Isle of Mann. I'm just terrified of making a mistake on the road, especially at a roundabout. I've never driven on the left side :-0
@@jeffslade1892 My in-laws tell me they don't know where the narrow lanes are located. I think most of their lives were spent in London, although now they live on the south coast. They asked me to ask you what part of England we should go to, to find the narrow lanes.
@@savage22bolt32 I live on the North Downs and Dorset is practically all little lanes. Suggest find an old Bartholomew half inch map, they were drawn with the aid of cyclists and show all the little lanes. My method is, "Where does this one go?" The south coast is 630 miles, whereabouts?
The traditional “get on the bike for only a few hours and provide glowing reviews” drive me nuts. Bravo for keeping it real and getting a woman’s perspective.
Hard to say you've experienced any motorcycle when it has the stock exhaust, especially a 90 degree v-twin with the stock exhaust. The soundtrack is what's missing and why this bike hasn't charmed her. Just my .02
Some people care about their neighbors, and choose not to annoy them. The average person doesn’t care about motorcycles, and a loud exhaust is seen as a huge negative.
I have the new V7 Special and it is a lovely bike to ride. This is an amazing bike and it's all about the engine. The single disk at the front is more than enough and I was pleasantly surprised at how well it stops. I've had Ducati sports bikes etc and this has the Italian style that I like. The rumble and a bit of a shake from the engine always makes me smile.
Nice format and lovely format. If she really is a bit skilled, not only gorgeous, let her taste any newer Moto Morini! You hate or love them and women often has a smoother hand . That's also what you need on a bike driven by you not a computer. How many times have you had to restart your laptop or phone to get it working properly? How many chances would get to restart the ECU in a 100 mph or 160 km/h? Some new trackdays heroes think you always needs 100 % throttle and avoid crashing only because their ECU were smarter than they are! Rider aids could be useful, but knowing and practicing throttle control and practicing braking from high speeds are still essential!
Infamous Cam Issues. Had Guzzi's all my life; since 1978. Bought a 1200 Stelvio, (6000 miles) cam's went! Piagio (6 month wait for parts) replaced them under recall but charged me for labour, oil and filter. At 8000 miles, cam's went again!! Piago said: "another 6 month wait, and another £380 labour, oil, filter". No chance of purchase refund as others also attempted, by taking Guzzi to court. I decided to leave the Stelvio uncovered in my garden to rust, it's £9000 of rust now, but a very sound reminder to Never buy Guzzi ever again!!
Weird isn`t it? I have a V7III ,2020 ,the model before this and I love it. So much do I like the V7 that when this new 850 came out I took one out for a good afternoons test ride. Underwhelmed and puzzled to say the least. It was like they had taken the "Guzzi" out of it ,made it less distinct to appeal to more people. Smoother ,revvier.I think they have lightened the crank or something ,it just is not the same. Just did not have as much thump or have the incredible flexibility of the V7III. Not worth the extra dosh to me. I wanted a bit more power not a different feeling bike.
I agree. I have both the V7 III Special and the new V7 850 Special and the older one definately has more character, i.e. a nicer exhaust sound and more (good) vibrations. The V7 III Special is my favourite bike and that's from someone who ones BMW GS, Ducati Multistrada, Moto Guzzi V85TT and more.
@@fasteddy3661 I bought a BMW R9T Pure a year after I got the V7III. Wanted more power for overtaking but I hardly ride it. It just underwhelms me so much . Sure it can take off ,but I am puzzled how a 1200cc big twin can have so little grunt low down and I seem always to be changing to a lower gear where the V7 just pulls It`s the Guzzi that is my go to ride. I know I will never sell the Guzzi. I am going to revisit the V7 850 and see if I can put my finger on what it is that did not convince me to swap my III.
@@billycaspersghost7528 ,,,to call the BMW 1200CC Boxer an engine lacking grunt, instantly and completely disqualifies you as a commenter…. Boxer Engines are famous for outrageous low down engine pull…🙄😉😂😂😂
@@fragu123 And yet strangely I feel that owning a 1200 Boxer engine and riding the aforesaid boxer engine, for some considerable miles ,I make the outrageous claim to be qualified to comment on my motorcycle. You know ,my motorcycle ,that I bought with my money and ride around the same roads as the Guzzi and duly make a comparison. Famous for low end grunt? Compared to what? They aren`t a long stroke engine like a Harley which is an engine famous for its low down engine pull. And if they are so " grunty" why has the newest Boxer gone to a "shift cam" engine specifically to improve low down pull?
I sat on these v7 Guzzi several models and I found them to be cheaply built...too much plastic. In the end I went with Triumph T120. Way better fit and finish in my opinion!
This is hands down an awful review. The guy asking the questions clearly has no interest in doing so. The girl seems much more interested in trying to say things that she thinks the interviewer wants to hear, rather than talk about any thing meaningful. Truly crap.
so it is a proper hipster bike w a stupidly matt finish that improves one's maintenance skills... "what's the problem?" the greybeard asks, the new generation seems 2 b bit spoiled. :D got 2 say I like that long term reviews, properly used bikes seldomly stay brand-new :) so 👍
MCN's videos are quite poor set against many of the other TH-camrs. Seems like they haven't realised they could sell more papers by using YT properly. TMF probably sells more papers for them than videos like this one.
Thanks, but I am giving constructive feedback.telegraphed questions, unrehearsed answers, pointless 7 minutes on a decent bike with character delivered by people with no character. Sorry.
Yes. Agreed. But, 'box ticking' with diversity whippersnappers is the norm for media, these days. Merit is out the window and diverse box ticking is very much in, regardless of lacklustre results.
I’ve a 2019 V7 III Stone Night Pack and It has become my go to bike for beautiful summer days. Compared to my other rides, it is the absolute best at relieving stress and putting a smile on my face. Cheers for the review, even if I don’t agree that it has no soul.
Currently own a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 cc that I have had for 20 years. Once took me 120 miles on one cylinder at highway speed when one spark plug wire crapped out on a Sunday morning with no shops open. At almost 70 years old it has gotten too heavy to maneuver in and out of situations. Purchased a 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone at more than 100 pounds less wet weight. Absolutely love it. Will stay with Moto Guzzi for the rest of my riding life. I have owned BMW, Laverda, Ducati, Moto Morini, Triumph, BSA, Zundapp, Indian, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Cagiva and loved them all for different reasons, but the fact that I can physically handle the weight of a bike that will cruise (illegally) at 85-90 mph for as long as I need, looks good, is reliable and affordable and unique, why shop anywhere else?- -Mike Battle
I tried the V7 850 in May. And I felt in love with it! The first 2 minutes were horrible. It needs to get warm to be perfect. This bike is alive, it shakes smoothly, vibrates a bit, sounds good, feels friendly, behaves nicely, looks great... For a better retro look, see the V7 Special, with analog clocks, chrome and spoke wheels. My favorite. And certainly my next bike.
Exactly my first reaction! I test rode one last week. As l set off l wondered what the hell l'd sat on! I was so disappointed 😞 Was on it for about an hour and 15mins and by the time l was back at the dealers, l was smitten. What a brilliant bike. I'm seriously thinking of having one. 😃👍
Personally after 55 years of riding I find this bike very engaging in a way that my previous excellent CB500F wasn't. It's all so personal. I had a BMW RT-80 for ten years, so I bonded with the V7 almost immediately. My knees are especially thankful for the shaft drive.
Good real life review. Whether or not you 'gel' with a bike is a really subjective thing. Saffron obviously enjoys her Harley, which is an extremely characterful bike, so it's no surprise that the Guzzi may not appeal to her quite as much.
I would never enjoy a Harley (particularly the one she rides), so Saffron's view would not mesh with me or be relevant to me. Seems like the Guzzi would be heaven in town as she somewhat pointed out at the beginning. I have to say that so far, out of all the TH-cam channels that MCN has the reviews that seem least relatable period.
Good review. Really like this bike but I wonder if the Special version is a better bet. A lot of owners seem to have issues with the black exhaust paint flaking off. Also didn't know about the pivoting headlight.
If you like chrome finish, spoke wheels, don't mind tubed tires, a halogen headlamp and an extra 10 kg or so compared to Stone - go for Special :) Special also comes with an analogue duo cluster, that for some people is more than necessary.
I never liked painted engine cases either. Give me bare aluminum. The Japanese were painting their engine cases silver way back in the 60's. All of the English, Italian & Spanish bikes I owned were bare aluminum castings.
It’s all subjective, I love my Guzzis and on the two occasions I’ve test ridden Harleys I’ve been only too pleased to get off them. Maybe I’ll “get” HD when I’m 70+ like most owners seem to be? Each to their own.
Sorry to say, I was really enjoying the piece until I saw the 998s enter the frame. Then I was just staring at that gorgeous bike and kinda stopped paying attention lol Sorry
Yesterday I went out on my 2020 V7 Stone S and my dad's new W800. When you compare those 2 bikes together the guzzi drips character over the W800 but as far as a harley like she rides..? Maybe she likes a lot more shaking and weight to her bikes. I like to think of these bikes as more refined but funky sportsters. The more you refine them the less people are going to get the guzzi experience I feel like..
If I'd paid my own hard cash on that and the headlight wabbled like this one I'd be back at the dealers and not taking any fluff about "torque settings" get it bloody fixed ffs!!
I had an older V7 Stone in matt black and I loved it The only thing I wished was for the open of twin front discs, as being a heavier guy than the lass Shannon, it would’ve inspired more confidence Hence why I changed for another bigger retro from Honda , a CB1100 EX But I still love that old Guzzi 🏍
Chatty; the lights are on, but nobody's home. A review -city/road mpg? Oil used? Fiilter change oil or gas?? Tire wear or alignment changes? Handlebar adjustment - needed or not? Longest distance ridden - seat adjustment or not? How about someone measuring stopping distance - dry and wet! How about info re: any problems washing off dirt? Waterproof parts work? Et al.
LOL, nice if it was more retro, but wheres my cruise control? I dare say the lady is too young to appriciate just how far the V7 range has come compared to the old models of the 80s.
I've ridden the special & it has unmistakable character due to the transverse V twin engine-the twist to the right when you open the throttle & minor vibes through the handlebars. The issue with the light seems odd & I can only think that they haven't done a proper PD on it. It is a refined version of the previous model & due to the 853 cc it has more hp up from 52hp to 65hp & more torque. I personally thought that all the refinements they made have improved it. Certainly the lighter clutch has made a big difference compared to my '07 Breva 750. Also the 18" front wheel has better rolling ability on rougher ground. I believe they also put the air cleaner under the seat from between the cylinders so much easier to service. The stone & centanario have LED day run lamp, digital dash & alloy wheels whereas the special get's spoked wheel's, analogue/digital instruments including a separate rev counter but standard lighting. Fabulous bike to ride.
They keep calling the lateral vibration as character. Personally I don’t like to be rocked side to side. V 7 is beautiful gorgeous tank the riding triangle is a little more cramped than the Bonneville. I chose the 2022 Bonneville T 100. Just feels better in the saddle and impressive comfort for all day riding.
The elephant in the room..the angle on the headstock isn’t steep enough and the non adjustable front forks are too long. Also the sectional exhaust is unappealing. This matte finish is getting stale too. Spokes? That’d be appreciated but it’s still a very beautiful bike. I know the v7 special addresses many of these things but there’s still too many things that need changing and their aftermarket is very limited and extremely expensive. Still kinda love it. It’s a love/darn it needs a little too much type thing.
had the older 13 model , not impressed with the ride above 60 mph. Rear suspenion felt unstable. Don't know if newer models have improved. Now riding a R1150R is very comfartable for longer trips.
Maybe the fault’s that she’s mentioned wouldn’t be a problem for the average person as they are thing’s that would normally be checked by the average owner.
Usual abysmal MCN review. Pull your socks up guys!. looks like she only spent a few hundred miles on the bike.Woeful and sadly in this modern age not up to spec for a national publication.
@@maxflight777 You are so right and I stand corrected indeed. Abysmal is not the right description... Yup, I'll rephrase that considering he has been in the business all these years and still can't produce a decent video, so Utterly Abysmal would be a better fit. Thank you for your guidance.
I’d have a new V7 Stone tomorrow, but only if I could have the normal looking headlamp off the Special Also twin front discs would be essential with the extra power as the single front disc always seemed on it’s limit on the previous version Oh and the twin dials , also off the Special I’d happily tick those option boxes as everything else is Perfect 🏍🙏🏻
Completely get your point!I love the blacked out look the black stone has,but I also wanted the normal headlight,dual clocks and the spoked wheels.So I bought the blue special 😅
Despite the opinion of your tester i bought one anyway. Should have watched your video before because of the highly professional review that is somehow so valid. I can not help myself but somehow it is so valid.
@@Victor-vf1fi Everything is perfectly fine. It’s a lovely bike and is well manufactured with components either made in Italy or sourced from well known brands. Last year I ride 4000km and before parking it for winter. The only issue is a little oil “sweat” near the oil filter, which might be resolved by application of a little torque to the bold. But due to it’s not a leak I didn’t do anything yet.
For the headlight im pretty sure tilt like that because the Allen bolt to the side need be tightened a little bit and the headlight will stay firm
You can get carbon grip paste from (pedal) bike shops - it's normally used when inserting a carbon seatpost... you don't want to exceed torque settings as you risk fracturing the post but, due to the smooth finish of the carbon post, the posts can slip into the frame as you ride. Grip paste stops this.
I'd take the fixing bolt out one side at a time, make sure there is fresh loctitie on it but also add a dab of grip paste around the flanges/interface area then torque back up.
To fall in love with this bike you just have to ride it on our Italian hills a couple of times :)
Here in the USA, you'll never catch me on a hi-way or city street. The only roads I ride, are the ones on the map with no names or route numbers. Just the narrow squiggly gray lines on the paper map. I especially love the roads that hug a river bank. My own personal roller coaster!
Might be time for me to pull the trigger on my last road machine, & Guzzi is at the top of the list right now.
I’d agree with that, haven’t ridden the V7 but I’d say the same about the V9, some country roads on that bike is bliss
Yes. The same goes for here in southern California. I think it would be difficult to love this motorbike if you lived in the mostly flat UK . . . besides, they ride on the wrong side of the road there! 😉
The name 'Stone' is derived from a little known miracle. In April 1965 a stone tablet fell from the sky and landed in the garden at the Vatican. It had indecipherable inscriptions and figures on it. One of the monks had a brother in Mondelo who worked at Moto Guzzi. He showed the tablet to his brother and the brother instantly recognized detailed plans for a motorcycle. This was considered a miracle as he was the only person who could understand the inscriptions.
He went to work and built the first V7 from these inscribed plans. Behold the world's most perfect motorcycle. This is how the V7 Stone got it's name. The design that was inscribed in stone by God himself.
😂😂
Praise Be !!!
amen mio saggio guzzista
Vatican is not Godly
Nothing to do with getting stone ?😅😊😮
Had mine for 6 weeks and I just spent the €200 on the standard Guzzi screen (only option available at the moment where I live.) It's transformed the bike. I'm not surprised Saffron hasn't got on with it if she's been battering the motorways with no wind protection or luggage capacity. I've gone from more or less enjoying riding it to actually looking forward to going to work when it's only 3 degrees outside!
I have a Dart Marlin on mine. It maybe, if, but, adds just 5mph to where the wind buffeting becomes tiring. Mainly it disguises the Topolino ears.
The only way to avoid that fatigue on a naked bike is to stick to 70-ish on a motorway (I know, eat lunch, read newspaper). Motorways are really really really really boring and best avoided. Sometimes motorways cannot be avoided, they are for long journeys and there is a temptation to open the throttle (watch the birdie, cameras). But as air resistance rises with the square of velocity, that constant wind pressure can wear you out after a while.
You want a Goldwing for what, it's got heaters too.
I put one on my bike also.
I think by calling the Stone version "bog standard" is missing the point somewhat. It's the modern retro, with LCD clocks and easy to clean mag wheels, perfect for a city commuter who wants to look cool and have little maintenance.
They're not ordinary mag wheels neither. Moto Guzzi designed them to flex and have the feel of spokes. Spoke do still have a more comfortable ride and are less liable to breaking when hit hard, kerbs and potholes can break an alloy (which is why off-road is steel rim and spokes only).
@@jeffslade1892 interesting that you mention the engineered in flex.
I thought the design looked weak, because the spokes are not attached radially to the hub & rim.
@@savage22bolt32 I noticed that on the new one. The older design is radial but the alloy "spokes" have a bend in them. I gather they use an aircraft grade alloy that can flex a bit and does not fatigue as quickly as normal alloy wheels do. Even so, alloys are not for off-road use.
4500 miles on my 2021 v7. No reliability issues. It is hard to get in neutral when stopped. Gearbox is clunky but just a Characteristic inherent of the bike style. Character and feel is best way to describe the bike and it is super nimble, one of easiest bikes I've rode when comes to initiating quick effortless turn in.
What kind of mpg are you getting? I have a V7 Stornello in my sights, but i hear getting much more than 50mpg is slow work. Kind of ruined by owning a bike that will do 80mpg, but pretty souless.
@@skaraborgcraft I’m doing a lot of highway miles with my V7. I’m averaging between 60 to 70 mpg. I don’t drive crazy but do rev it to adjust to traffic
@@sethmolenaar1801 Thats good mpg, not quite NC750 territory, but more soul!
A Guzzi without heart 🤔 I don't think so. This bike has got soul. She just doesn't get it. That's cool it's not for everyone.
A lot of other riders have found the 850 lacks the charisma of the earlier models. It has more power but the peak torque is now at 5000rpm, not down at 2800rpm on the V7ii - 50hp at 6200 and 60 Nm at 2800 giving it a practically flat power band from below 2500 to the rev limiter somewhere around 7400rpm, a spread of about 5000rpm. With the 850 they have had to work at the gears a lot more. The peak torque on the V7 III was also up at 4900rpm and the rev limiter lower, which required more rider input too. The V7ii had a fair bit of power above the peak power compared to the V7 III which nose-dived nothing left and consequently has a higher top speed. A similar problem which has been addressed between the old Triumph Tigger and the new model, a lot more low-down torque. Despite only having half the ponies I found the V7ii could produce a significantly faster pace than the older fistful of nothing Tigger 800 which needed a lot of effort to keep it on the boil, handled like a barn door too. Having the power there under your right hand all the time produces a very relaxed ride. Having that effortless power means that instead of dropping two cogs to overtake a car, on the V7ii it can be change up then open throttle. A car is not competition, it is a mobile chicane.
Sometimes less is more.
The MGCT can be turned off. If you do that you notice it is working, without putting the warning lamp on which it will only do if it has lost the plot (beware of Pirelli tyres doing that). It is very unobtrusive and gradual but effective on wet bends.
If the headlamp moves, put an Allen key in the bolt and tighten it.
Jeff,you sound like you have a good handle on the information I'm looking for.
The V7ii with the 2800 rpm peak torque is the one I want.
Do you know what model years I should be looking for?
(I assume the V7 III is a newer bike)
PS 98% of my riding is on twisty, hilly back roads in NE corner of USA.
@@savage22bolt32 seriously, you do not have twisty back roads in the USA. English lanes are maybe 9 ft wide with grass growing up the middle and tight bends. Lane literally means cow-path, designed by cattle. What you have are like our rural B-roads, really nice on a Guzzi, moderately fast sweeps. But if they've got straight bits they're probably roman and about as flat and level as a fairground ride. The little lanes are best left to the specialist turns on a sixpence Enfield 500 - it's actually a "heavy trials bike" (and won a lot of prizes at that). We've had american guests here who have been shocked at how twisty our main A-rods are, I've no idea what they'd make of our D-road mouse tracks ;)
The V7ii was 2015 and 2016 but you may find 2014 and 2017.
The V7III was 2017 on. The V7 IV (850) 2021-on.
I had wanted a Guzzi since the 80s. So I test rode both at the same dealer in 2018 - a used V7ii and a brand new V7 III. Neither lacked power. Both were comfortable and easy to ride, no vices. But I had to make a choice. The V7 III didn't like to potter at town stop-start traffic speeds as nicely as the V7ii. Although they will bumble along at low revs, the V7 motor is quite revvy. Whereas the V7ii would happily go clean over the peak power revs, with the V7 III it was like hitting a wall; more important in intermediate gears. I later learnt to use the torque by changing up before overtaking a car (aka mobile chicane).
I prefer a relaxed ride, I don't want to think too much about operating the motorbike - the Tigger 800 was constant gear changes. I like to enjoy the scenery not study the tarmac. It's very easy to go too fast and get a ticket, or an ambulance. Hence partly my preference to get off the main roads and out of the heavy traffic, they're not a lot of fun - which is what a bike is for..
Because the motor will happily run at any revs it really does need a tacho to remind you to change up. The gear change indicator on the V7 III was nice but I can count up to six.
@@jeffslade1892 Jeff, thank you for the very thoughtful reply.
My daughter married a British lad from Sompton/Worthing. When I flew over to meet the in-laws, they never took me on any of these narrow lanes. I will scold them for that lapse!
I found a 2016 V7 about an hour drive away, so l will look at that.
Currently, I'm riding a CRF250L, and after riding a couple of hours, my left hand cramps up from all the shifting.
I'm not a speed demon, my most enjoyable miles are lugging an engine & putting around, especially in October when the leaves are changing color.
I can't wait until my next trip across the pond. Planning to rent a bike and spend time out on my own. One thing on my bucket list is to hit some of Ireland, and ride the TT circuit on Isle of Mann.
I'm just terrified of making a mistake on the road, especially at a roundabout. I've never driven on the left side :-0
@@jeffslade1892 My in-laws tell me they don't know where the narrow lanes are located. I think most of their lives were spent in London, although now they live on the south coast.
They asked me to ask you what part of England we should go to, to find the narrow lanes.
@@savage22bolt32 I live on the North Downs and Dorset is practically all little lanes. Suggest find an old Bartholomew half inch map, they were drawn with the aid of cyclists and show all the little lanes. My method is, "Where does this one go?"
The south coast is 630 miles, whereabouts?
The traditional “get on the bike for only a few hours and provide glowing reviews” drive me nuts. Bravo for keeping it real and getting a woman’s perspective.
Star washers inside the headlight mounting bolts should fix the " auto dipp" issue
Wow what an honest review thank you
Love this format
Hard to say you've experienced any motorcycle when it has the stock exhaust, especially a 90 degree v-twin with the stock exhaust. The soundtrack is what's missing and why this bike hasn't charmed her. Just my .02
Some people care about their neighbors, and choose not to annoy them. The average person doesn’t care about motorcycles, and a loud exhaust is seen as a huge negative.
Ms. Saffron must be a genuine hardass: never heard of a Guzzi described as "too civilized". But, I'm old & rich & 'Murcan....
Nice one king
Really good video and good questioning about if you'd buy one
I have the new V7 Special and it is a lovely bike to ride.
This is an amazing bike and it's all about the engine.
The single disk at the front is more than enough and I was pleasantly surprised at how well it stops.
I've had Ducati sports bikes etc and this has the Italian style that I like.
The rumble and a bit of a shake from the engine always makes me smile.
Well done. Good call to have someone as well who hasn't ridden all the bikes in the world as that might better represent more of the targeted buyer.
Nice format and lovely format. If she really is a bit skilled, not only gorgeous, let her taste any newer Moto Morini! You hate or love them and women often has a smoother hand . That's also what you need on a bike driven by you not a computer. How many times have you had to restart your laptop or phone to get it working properly? How many chances would get to restart the ECU in a 100 mph or 160 km/h? Some new trackdays heroes think you always needs 100 % throttle and avoid crashing only because their ECU were smarter than they are! Rider aids could be useful, but knowing and practicing throttle control and practicing braking from high speeds are still essential!
Great format 😎
I like the style, but wish it was slightly larger with dual discs up front and an 11 or 1200 engine. Currently have a speed twin and a griso.
Infamous Cam Issues.
Had Guzzi's all my life; since 1978. Bought a 1200 Stelvio, (6000 miles) cam's went! Piagio (6 month wait for parts) replaced them under recall but charged me for labour, oil and filter.
At 8000 miles, cam's went again!! Piago said: "another 6 month wait, and another £380 labour, oil, filter".
No chance of purchase refund as others also attempted, by taking Guzzi to court.
I decided to leave the Stelvio uncovered in my garden to rust, it's £9000 of rust now, but a very sound reminder to Never buy Guzzi ever again!!
Awesome guy's cheers 👍🏻
It doesn't have heart? You're kidding me... It doesn't have pipes more like. Stick a set of pipes on it and it's more heart than any bike I've ridden.
The headlight issue is really disappointing, i mean how hard is it to make it right?
Anyway high expectations for the new stunning looking v100
It just needs tightened. If people can't use an Allen key should they be using a motorcycle?
I've got this exact model and it just needs to be tightened, not even an issue. It never movee once tightened properly
Great video. Keep them coming. 👍
Weird isn`t it? I have a V7III ,2020 ,the model before this and I love it.
So much do I like the V7 that when this new 850 came out I took one out for a good afternoons test ride.
Underwhelmed and puzzled to say the least.
It was like they had taken the "Guzzi" out of it ,made it less distinct to appeal to more people.
Smoother ,revvier.I think they have lightened the crank or something ,it just is not the same.
Just did not have as much thump or have the incredible flexibility of the V7III.
Not worth the extra dosh to me.
I wanted a bit more power not a different feeling bike.
I agree. I have both the V7 III Special and the new V7 850 Special and the older one definately has more character, i.e. a nicer exhaust sound and more (good) vibrations. The V7 III Special is my favourite bike and that's from someone who ones BMW GS, Ducati Multistrada, Moto Guzzi V85TT and more.
@@fasteddy3661 I bought a BMW R9T Pure a year after I got the V7III.
Wanted more power for overtaking but I hardly ride it.
It just underwhelms me so much .
Sure it can take off ,but I am puzzled how a 1200cc big twin can have so little grunt low down and I seem always to be changing to a lower gear where the V7 just pulls
It`s the Guzzi that is my go to ride.
I know I will never sell the Guzzi.
I am going to revisit the V7 850 and see if I can put my finger on what it is that did not convince me to swap my III.
@@billycaspersghost7528 ,,,to call the BMW 1200CC Boxer an engine lacking grunt, instantly and completely disqualifies you as a commenter…. Boxer Engines are famous for outrageous low down engine pull…🙄😉😂😂😂
@@fragu123 And yet strangely I feel that owning a 1200 Boxer engine and riding the aforesaid boxer engine, for some considerable miles ,I make the outrageous claim to be qualified to comment on my motorcycle.
You know ,my motorcycle ,that I bought with my money and ride around the same roads as the Guzzi and duly make a comparison.
Famous for low end grunt?
Compared to what?
They aren`t a long stroke engine like a Harley which is an engine famous for its low down engine pull.
And if they are so " grunty" why has the newest Boxer gone to a "shift cam" engine specifically to improve low down pull?
Good skills Mr Neeves 😇
7:02 16 hour ride??? The old iron-buts of old have nothing on this filly. No wonder she didn't like the headlamp.
Tell me about that 998, it's lovely!
Good luck finding more funky bikes these days.
Love one but weighs more than my current BMW R1200R LC which also has a shaft plus it has 125 hp and all the electronic aids you expect nowadays. Pity
I sat on these v7 Guzzi several models and I found them to be cheaply built...too much plastic. In the end I went with Triumph T120. Way better fit and finish in my opinion!
Interesting to hear the her view of the bike. Nice bike if it's reliable. Too many little niggles, maybe.
This bike is like getting married, for better or worse.
This is hands down an awful review. The guy asking the questions clearly has no interest in doing so. The girl seems much more interested in trying to say things that she thinks the interviewer wants to hear, rather than talk about any thing meaningful. Truly crap.
It is impossible to take a review by a Harley rider seriously. Ridiculous.
so it is a proper hipster bike w a stupidly matt finish that improves one's maintenance skills... "what's the problem?" the greybeard asks, the new generation seems 2 b bit spoiled. :D
got 2 say I like that long term reviews, properly used bikes seldomly stay brand-new :) so 👍
Nice review but lose the black curtain please its horrible
MCN's videos are quite poor set against many of the other TH-camrs. Seems like they haven't realised they could sell more papers by using YT properly. TMF probably sells more papers for them than videos like this one.
I liked the black curtain. This is the first MCN video I've seen.
Thanks, but I am giving constructive feedback.telegraphed questions, unrehearsed answers, pointless 7 minutes on a decent bike with character delivered by people with no character. Sorry.
Its got no soul because its not a Griso 1200 ; )
A I don’t like motorcycle reviews from women, no offence
Sounds like you are dragging information out of her... I would just like a normal review.
Yes. Agreed. But, 'box ticking' with diversity whippersnappers is the norm for media, these days. Merit is out the window and diverse box ticking is very much in, regardless of lacklustre results.
We are doing this with all the long-term test bikes, but thanks for your input.
We have those too. This is about spending several months living with the bikes.
If I come to England, can I do long term testing for MCN?
Politically correct because a woman is on the show, otherwise its the most crap review I've seen from MCN.
We love Saffron. Articulate and lovely .
I’ve a 2019 V7 III Stone Night Pack and It has become my go to bike for beautiful summer days. Compared to my other rides, it is the absolute best at relieving stress and putting a smile on my face. Cheers for the review, even if I don’t agree that it has no soul.
Love my Guzzi V7! Put some Agostini slips on’s on these and they wake right up.
Gotta love Neevsey's 998 lurking in the background! ;)
Currently own a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 cc that I have had for 20 years. Once took me 120 miles on one cylinder at highway speed when one spark plug wire crapped out on a Sunday morning with no shops open. At almost 70 years old it has gotten too heavy to maneuver in and out of situations. Purchased a 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone at more than 100 pounds less wet weight. Absolutely love it. Will stay with Moto Guzzi for the rest of my riding life. I have owned BMW, Laverda, Ducati, Moto Morini, Triumph, BSA, Zundapp, Indian, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Cagiva and loved them all for different reasons, but the fact that I can physically handle the weight of a bike that will cruise (illegally) at 85-90 mph for as long as I need, looks good, is reliable and affordable and unique, why shop anywhere else?- -Mike Battle
I see this post everywhere
I tried the V7 850 in May. And I felt in love with it!
The first 2 minutes were horrible. It needs to get warm to be perfect.
This bike is alive, it shakes smoothly, vibrates a bit, sounds good, feels friendly, behaves nicely, looks great...
For a better retro look, see the V7 Special, with analog clocks, chrome and spoke wheels. My favorite. And certainly my next bike.
Exactly my first reaction! I test rode one last week. As l set off l wondered what the hell l'd sat on! I was so disappointed 😞 Was on it for about an hour and 15mins and by the time l was back at the dealers, l was smitten. What a brilliant bike. I'm seriously thinking of having one. 😃👍
Personally after 55 years of riding I find this bike very engaging in a way that my previous excellent CB500F wasn't. It's all so personal. I had a BMW RT-80 for ten years, so I bonded with the V7 almost immediately. My knees are especially thankful for the shaft drive.
You asking releability for a new bike? My 79 Yamaha still run an original engine and transmission,that's what I call a reability
Good real life review. Whether or not you 'gel' with a bike is a really subjective thing. Saffron obviously enjoys her Harley, which is an extremely characterful bike, so it's no surprise that the Guzzi may not appeal to her quite as much.
I would never enjoy a Harley (particularly the one she rides), so Saffron's view would not mesh with me or be relevant to me. Seems like the Guzzi would be heaven in town as she somewhat pointed out at the beginning. I have to say that so far, out of all the TH-cam channels that MCN has the reviews that seem least relatable period.
Good review? What exactly they have reviewed here. I’m dying to know.
That was awkward.
Loved the format. What you really want as a user : a user’s opinion. She in knowledgeable but it’s like talking to a friend.
Great format. Background very dark behind you. Good bike ...thank you
Never trust a woman that rides a Harley, its like dating a woman that drinks beer
Good review. Really like this bike but I wonder if the Special version is a better bet. A lot of owners seem to have issues with the black exhaust paint flaking off. Also didn't know about the pivoting headlight.
If you like chrome finish, spoke wheels, don't mind tubed tires, a halogen headlamp and an extra 10 kg or so compared to Stone - go for Special :) Special also comes with an analogue duo cluster, that for some people is more than necessary.
I never liked painted engine cases either. Give me bare aluminum.
The Japanese were painting their engine cases silver way back in the 60's. All of the English, Italian & Spanish bikes I owned were bare aluminum castings.
Anyone know if it’s possible to retrofit analogue clocks on the non- special versions?
It’s all subjective, I love my Guzzis and on the two occasions I’ve test ridden Harleys I’ve been only too pleased to get off them. Maybe I’ll “get” HD when I’m 70+ like most owners seem to be? Each to their own.
ive owned a few harleys most over rated overpriced things ever made made for looking at not rideing
Nice, different format for a long term review.
Glad you liked it!
How about a long term review of that Ducati 998?
What a gorgeous bike. …and lovely owner.
Simp
Sorry to say, I was really enjoying the piece until I saw the 998s enter the frame. Then I was just staring at that gorgeous bike and kinda stopped paying attention lol
Sorry
If you rev it it banks right.
I just road one and it's fun
The bike looks great but, that exhaust looks terrible. Also looks like some one has had a Matt black rattle can on it.
Obviously she is not in love with it. Otherwise it would look cleaner and without so many scratches.
Yesterday I went out on my 2020 V7 Stone S and my dad's new W800. When you compare those 2 bikes together the guzzi drips character over the W800 but as far as a harley like she rides..? Maybe she likes a lot more shaking and weight to her bikes. I like to think of these bikes as more refined but funky sportsters. The more you refine them the less people are going to get the guzzi experience I feel like..
I bet if she had an aftermarket exhaust and some panniers she’d fall for it.
I'll take the 998 S in the corner please :-)
I'd be interested in only one for a while but I almost never buy new. I haven't bought a new bike and over 30 years.
If I'd paid my own hard cash on that and the headlight wabbled like this one I'd be back at the dealers and not taking any fluff about "torque settings" get it bloody fixed ffs!!
I had an older V7 Stone in matt black and I loved it
The only thing I wished was for the open of twin front discs, as being a heavier guy than the lass Shannon, it would’ve inspired more confidence
Hence why I changed for another bigger retro from Honda , a CB1100 EX
But I still love that old Guzzi 🏍
Put her on a Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. She'll be smiling. She's honest about how she feels. It's just not for her.
Interceptor 650 ? Utter junk …the world’s fastest depreciating bike ?
First time ever heard V7 is "too refined".
Really like these little vids 😎😎😎🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
It's a Good looking bike. 💖💖👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks for this - really helpful to hear about it.
Eh.... bit of patina :)
So so so so so..........
show the Ducati!
Chatty; the lights are on, but nobody's home. A review -city/road mpg? Oil used? Fiilter change oil or gas?? Tire wear or alignment changes? Handlebar adjustment - needed or not? Longest distance ridden - seat adjustment or not? How about someone measuring stopping distance - dry and wet! How about info re: any problems washing off dirt? Waterproof parts work? Et al.
What about tighting harder the headlight ?😒
Exactly!
LOL, nice if it was more retro, but wheres my cruise control? I dare say the lady is too young to appriciate just how far the V7 range has come compared to the old models of the 80s.
I've ridden the special & it has unmistakable character due to the transverse V twin engine-the twist to the right when you open the throttle & minor vibes through the handlebars. The issue with the light seems odd & I can only think that they haven't done a proper PD on it. It is a refined version of the previous model & due to the 853 cc it has more hp up from 52hp to 65hp & more torque. I personally thought that all the refinements they made have improved it. Certainly the lighter clutch has made a big difference compared to my '07 Breva 750. Also the 18" front wheel has better rolling ability on rougher ground. I believe they also put the air cleaner under the seat from between the cylinders so much easier to service. The stone & centanario have LED day run lamp, digital dash & alloy wheels whereas the special get's spoked wheel's, analogue/digital instruments including a separate rev counter but standard lighting. Fabulous bike to ride.
They keep calling the lateral vibration as character. Personally I don’t like to be rocked side to side. V 7 is beautiful gorgeous tank the riding triangle is a little more cramped than the Bonneville. I chose the 2022 Bonneville T 100. Just feels better in the saddle and impressive comfort for all day riding.
The elephant in the room..the angle on the headstock isn’t steep enough and the non adjustable front forks are too long. Also the sectional exhaust is unappealing. This matte finish is getting stale too. Spokes? That’d be appreciated but it’s still a very beautiful bike. I know the v7 special addresses many of these things but there’s still too many things that need changing and their aftermarket is very limited and extremely expensive. Still kinda love it. It’s a love/darn it needs a little too much type thing.
Even before the video began I was thinking: " Guzzi V7 long term test - That Has to be a Woman's bike!" And I was right! lol.
had the older 13 model , not impressed with the ride above 60 mph. Rear suspenion felt unstable. Don't know if newer models have improved. Now riding a R1150R is very comfartable for longer trips.
She want the Guzzi v7 with cruise control!!! But more retro and less refined,this chat doesn't make any sense.
Never mind the Guzzi, check out the 998! See its suffering from the Misty head lights
That was harsh review
Yeh but honest , I wish more reviews were like this
Maybe the fault’s that she’s mentioned wouldn’t be a problem for the average person as they are thing’s that would normally be checked by the average owner.
I'd love to have this bike. Basic and gorgeous ❤️🥰. Loving it.
Usual abysmal MCN review. Pull your socks up guys!. looks like she only spent a few hundred miles on the bike.Woeful and sadly in this modern age not up to spec for a national publication.
Nothing Neeves does is abysmal …. Go and look in a mirror .
@@maxflight777 You are so right and I stand corrected indeed. Abysmal is not the right description... Yup, I'll rephrase that considering he has been in the business all these years and still can't produce a decent video, so Utterly Abysmal would be a better fit. Thank you for your guidance.
Agreed . Wishy washy waffle.
I think the V& is aimed at a different audience to your reviewer.
Enjoyed the review! I just purchased one!!
As much as I love Guzzis, I'd pay the extra and have a speed twin
I once owned the most classic Guzzi ever. The 850 Le Mans, the first incarnation, before the company applied Mk numbers.
@@brianperry I loved the Mk2 personally but bought a Spada Royale because I wanted to tour. I had a lot of fun with that bike
Have had both. Kept V7
I’d have a new V7 Stone tomorrow, but only if I could have the normal looking headlamp off the Special
Also twin front discs would be essential with the extra power as the single front disc always seemed on it’s limit on the previous version
Oh and the twin dials , also off the Special
I’d happily tick those option boxes as everything else is Perfect 🏍🙏🏻
Completely get your point!I love the blacked out look the black stone has,but I also wanted the normal headlight,dual clocks and the spoked wheels.So I bought the blue special 😅
Despite the opinion of your tester i bought one anyway. Should have watched your video before because of the highly professional review that is somehow so valid. I can not help myself but somehow it is so valid.
Are you still happy with the bike? Any issues?
@@Victor-vf1fi Everything is perfectly fine. It’s a lovely bike and is well manufactured with components either made in Italy or sourced from well known brands. Last year I ride 4000km and before parking it for winter. The only issue is a little oil “sweat” near the oil filter, which might be resolved by application of a little torque to the bold. But due to it’s not a leak I didn’t do anything yet.
@@actionjackson838 I just purchased a yellow V7 stone 2022, waiting for delivery. Thank you for your reply
does the seat lift on a hinge ?
No it clips off completely
Hot bike , hot saffron