Link to my Facebook post that I mentioned in the video where you can also find the video I reference: facebook.com/RafaelDiFuria/posts/10207754053324871
UPDATE 11 AUGUST 2020: It has come to my attention that Mrs. Siragusa who I made my video in response to has either closed or hidden her social media accounts in the time since I have posted my video responding to her proposal. Coincidence? Interesting timing at the very least....
Hi Raff. Thanks alot for everything. My grandparents were born in Polarmo, but my father was born here. I'm so confused by all of this. Can you please help me. Does that make me a citizen or not. Do you know the answer.? I'm getting ready to move to Sicily when I sell my condo. A 1 euro home. My heart is in Italy & I always wanted to do this but thought I couldn't. Do you know the answer? Thanks Caio. My real name is Francesca Marino which I am very proud of. My heart is in Italy. I've been there 2x already up north. But I am Sicilian & want to live there. I want to go home. I don't know if you can help but you seem to know a lot & I'm comfortable with you. Thanks again
@@francinemoloney2437 not enough info here for me to be able to know for sure...it's a lot more involved than just having an Italian ancestor.... feel free to send me an email Info@RafaelDiFuria.com
@@francinemoloney2437 That's exactly the point here. Up to now - and we hope the situation doesn't change - you have the right to the Italian citizenship, except if your grandparents or your father were naturalized Americans (prior to the birth of the respective descendant) or renounced to the Italian citizenship.
I’m Swedish-Italian, my dad emigrated from Italy to Sweden to live with my mother (Swedish women you know 🙄) I was born and raised in Sweden. I’m really glad my dad registered me as an citizen. I use my Italian passport every time I travel. When my son was born 14 years ago I registered him as well. Our Italian heritage is really important for us and we travel to Italy 1-3 times per year.
But this is the thing: you did value your citizenship and made sure you could pass it down to your child: you and your child are citizens because you valued your "Italianness", but there are people who had one Italian greatgrandparent, don't speak the language, have never been to Italy and claim that having the Italian citizenship is their right. Why? If their citizenship had been important to them, they would have simply passed it down from generation to generation like you did, rightly so.
@@mimmiblu6138 They all ready did since citizenship is an automatic thing. If your born to an Italian parent your Italian (even if you don't know it). Then your a citizen and you can pass it on and on thru the generations even if the people in the line don't know they are Italian...
I've always viewed Jure Sanguinis as a net positive for Italy in every possible way. Italy is able to regain some of its lost population over the last century. Sure, not every person will end up moving to Italy or contributing to the country in tangible ways, but many will and have been for years. There's little to zero downside.
You got to be kidden. Are you assuming that people with money are a contribution. Let me tell you what money brings, it brings slavery. You are better off bringing in people who wants a new life and produces swet and tears to build equity in italy
I came to live in the village where my grandparents were born. I'm one of two English speaking people in my village. People are dying to leave and EVERYONE asks me WHY? Everybody's eyes light up when I tell them I'm from Los Angeles. Even more so, when I tell them I've lived in Africa and other exotic places around the world. WHY SICILY ALFONSO? Perche è bellissima... They look at me and shake their heads in disbelief... At a time when Italians are looking to leave, the government is trying to make it impossible for actual overseas Italians to come home. This perfectly explains the entire Italian system of beurocrisy. Total nonsensical policies. They do exactly the opposite of what should be done.
My family home is there 700 years and I want to live there and open a business Agritourismo and hire Italians I have inherited all on my father's side And my birth wasn't registered for some reason and everyone is passed
I agree with you. My grandfather came from Italy to Argentina, and since I was little I've been surrounded with Italian culture. I'm very proud to have my jure sanguinis citizenship and I'm studying Italian so I can someday move to my grandfather's country . I know that it's not required for me to learn Italian but I think it's a must, language is part of the culture and if you want to know more about the culture one of the best ways is through language. Mi piace tantissimo imparare l'italiano!
i'm brazilian and both sides of my family came from Italy in the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century. i'm also currently learning italian (just started though) so i'm able to move there eventually. living in Latin America is fucking tiresome. hopefully things go right for us, hermano!
I'm a naturalized American but I was born and spent the first 30 years of my life in Brazil. I'm also the great grandson of Italians who were forced to leave Italy in the 1800's because of how tough things were in Italy. I didn't chose to be born in Brazil. If I had a choice, I would have chosen to be born in Italy (and that's why I'm working on the recognition of my inherited Italian citizenship). There, that's my "connection" to Italy, ma'am!
You're right. Just because someone marries an Italian living in Italy doesn't mean that they will have that connection to the culture or the language. My friend in Rome told me about a British lady he knows who has been living there for more than 20 years and is married to an Italian but speaks very little Italian since she and her husband speak English with one another.
I know they bring up the whole thing of getting rid of/changing jure sanguinis laws from time to time, but if it changes before I am able to register my heart will shatter...
Don't panic, there is a confussion about that. To be born is the legal fact that makes you citizen instead of registering in some italian office. It is like you are italian but the state is not aware of. In the same situation are people how got married with an Italian before 1983. You inherit cittizenship like a property and you already have it, nobody can take it off you.
What is crazy is in the same token, there are people from all around the world buying 1 euro houses in Italy, yet, you don't hear of complaints about their lack of connection.
@@lucasbridges8082 True, but some comuni are paying people to come live there, establishing residency. So ultimately they will apply for citizenship I am sure. So that is like state sponsored immigration in the midst of an immigration crisis. On the flip side, JS candidates are not offered first dibs. We have to join the lottery like anyone else as far as I know. So if the purpose of the program is to bring people back to dying comuni, why not give preference to JS eligible citizens?
@@ExploringUmbria @Art Shivers Real Estate You make a valid point, but unfortunately not one that stands in today's world of immigration where money does the talking. In principle, it's the same as Citizenship by Investment. Why should the decedents or dependents of citizens of half a dozen Caribbean nations needs to establish domicile in their "home" countries when investors can make a donation and have the passport posted to them?
Because they like myself are citizens of Italy from birth; we were just born and live abroad. It is not about need, it is a birthright, it is about heritage and cultural pride. I can name my ancestors back almost 300 years in Italy, know the provincia and comuni we are from, and I personally am in contact with distant relatives in Italy to this very day & we chat in Italian. Similar to people from Guam or Puerto Rico can hop on an airplane and come live and work in the United States, we can hop on down to the consulate and apply for our passport. Obviously there is a process to it, but the end result is cut and dry. And my last point to your argument about investment is, investors and speculators, can wreak as much or more havoc on a fragile community. They are in it for profit and pull out when the shit hits the fan, leaving people jobless, communities devastated. Being in the real estate profession, I can personally attest to that. The point of the cheap homes programs is to bring back the community.
I’m an Italian descendant, the fourth generation of my family here in Brazil and the idea of recognizing my Italian citizenship is exactly being able to live in Italy and recreate this connection with the country where my ancestors came from.
If someone from another country, such as an American, came to Scotland enthusiastic about contributing to the country and learning the culture of their ancestors, there is no reality in which I can see that being a bad thing. In fact, I think those people are the ones that will stop traditions from dying. I've heard that Irish Americans on average know more about the countries traditions than the natives do, and from my experience in Scotland, this might actually be true. (Young) people here don't care at all, if somebody has ancestral connections to the country and wishes to pursue them, then let them. I guarantee they care more about the country than most natives do. To say that because we were born and raised in the country, and they were not, makes them outsiders or lesser citizens, as if they could never be as Scottish as we are is just pure ignorance and blatantly wrong.
I am 41 and when I was a young child my nonna and nonno (on my father's side) would tell me stories of when my nonno was growing up on the family farm in Italy. I was brought being taught about his culture and what life was like there, I was brought up experiencing homemade italian dishes, loving Voltaro music, learning music from italian singers, appreciating Italian actors and movies and cried when my husband made my dream come true which was visiting Italy for our honeymoon, I felt so close to my family even though I did not get the opportunity to visit Borgotaro and Milan where both sides of my family are from. My mother's parents only spoke Italian in the home here in the states, and I had even witnessed my grandfather spout off Latin when he got angry. I am seriously thinking of going and hyphenating my last name to bring back my maiden name. Eventually I want to move to Italy, and I'm hoping that there will be a day that I can. As well as finding out if my ancestors hopefully never renounced their Italian citizenship.
Ahhh, I’ve been following your videos and your sessions with ITA for almost 2 years now (thanks a million times over by the way) while I get everything together for my Italian Citizenship application and this is so scary! I really hope it doesn’t take. I’m literally going in January 2021 to put in my app, haha.
This is a very shortsighted initiative. On one hand the Italian population is growing older and older; on the other, illegal immigrants' numbers are growing bigger and bigger, and having a great number of children who will never feel really connected to the country, its customs, traditions, faith, etc.. They should be concerned in bringing back home their own descendants.
@@vm80 I agree with you for the most part. But with regard to 1st gen children of immigrants, that is like saying kids who are in the DACA program don't feel American. Quite the opposite. And that is why there are people fighting for jus soli to be a path to citizenship. Iure Sanguine is not a path to citizenship though, it is a birthright, that one seeks formal recognition of, so to reform the laws would be discriminating against people who have been citizens since birth.
Art Shivers Real Estate It is very different than the US situation. Being American is a nationality that anyone can have by being a citizen. There are no ethnic Americans, except for the Native Americans. Italians are part of distinct ethnic groups and have a strong culture and culinary identity. The US doesn’t really have a strong culture because of the diverse amount of cultures there. Both countries are great, but in different ways.
Art Shivers Real Estate Of course orphans could be adopted by Italian families, and some are. But, to say children of illegal immigrants living in immigrant enclaves feel Italian, is a bit ridiculous. Most of these immigrants are not living an Italian lifestyle in terms of food they eat, and most likely their religion and language spoken. A person from China can legally move to Italy, and after 10 years naturalize as an Italian citizen, but many native Italians will not view that person as Italian. The same goes for a western in many Asian countries.
I did exactly what you did. All 4 grandparents came from Sicily. I made great money in the US. I got my citizenship through Jure Sanguinis, packed a container with my stuff and went back _home._ It will be 7 years this December. It's been a wild and crazy journey.
I dedicated the last 6 months to start learning the Italian language, the regions and what makes each unique, what art/sculpture each region has and so on bc I want citizenship in TWENTY YEARS when we retire.. I'll keep learning and try for citizenship now but it's sad to hear I don't deserve it.
I’ve been working so hard to gather my documents I am 5th generation i’ve been learning italian for 2 years just out of pure passion for the language people and the land. Ever since I visited when I began studying the language I felt the language in my blood quite actually and i’ve been learning so much about my families struggle and how proud of me they would be that I am going back to italy to live there and become a part of the culture because I love it so very much. i’m 3rd on my mom’s side but we have less info about this side of the family and we kept a stronger connection on the other side. Lo sento dentro di me.
Alright, this is an issue that brings up a lot of very intense feelings for me. I was born to a single mother who was sent here from her birthplace in Italy against her will as a child. She was adopted in NJ by distant family members and was naturalized before I was born. As jure sanguinis stands now, I am not entitled to Italian citizenship. ALL of my mother’s/my immediate family are still in Italy. I speak Italian. I am the only one in my immediate family born outside of Italy... I am the only one in my immediate family stuck stateside. But I’m not under the umbrella of jure sanguinis. On the other hand, the distant family that adopted my mother stateside are now in their fourth/fifth/sixth generation of American birth. But under jure sanguinis they all got Italian citizenship. None of them have immediate family in Italy. None of them grew up speaking our language. But they have a right to citizenship. This is extremely offensive to people in my situation. My closest aunt died this May in Lazio. Because of COVID I couldn’t get to my family to be with them for the funeral because all I have is a US Passport. This was devastating... and a perfect example as to the importance of allowing ALL children of Italian natives Italian citizenship if our IMMEDIATE FAMILIES are still there. I, the only person in my family born off of Italian soil, cannot get citizenship. All of my distant family in Jersey now have citizenship without a SINGLE Italian family member on Italian soil. This is a slap in the face. Jure sanguinis for ALL children of Italian natives! Jure sanguinis for ALL people whose entire immediate family is still in Italy. This is not necessarily mutually exclusive with all of the fourth, fifth, or sixth generations born on foreign soil. But to exclude ANY first generation born on foreign soil? Vergognoso...
I agree with you to bring up the subject of changing Jure sanguinis during these times is not an important topic or right timing. Not only have the generations who left Italy 60-70 years ago still live and breathe the Italian culture every day they have also further passed the culture to the next generation and hence that's why the next generation want to become Italian citizenships. I am an one of these going through obtaining my Italian citizenship at the moment. It's a long process but worth it.
Italian culture abroad is as strong as it is because of Italians abroad and their descendants feel a connection to Italy. This only benefits Italy with 'brand recognition', tourism, investments, & more. To get rid of it would be ludicrous, particularly when Italy's population is aging and is comparatively homogenous when compared to France or Spain. Spain is actually going the other way and encouraging people of ex-Spanish colonies to move there (I.E. making it relatively easy to settle in Spain).
That's scary, I'm just now getting all my paperwork together to start my citizenship application. Let's hope for the best,. By the way, you have an amazing voice!
My ancestors emigrated to Argentina from Genova in 1853. I was able to track the last Molinari from my family branch who was born in 1827 in Voltri. Now, in order to get my Italian Citizenship, I need to bring death certificates from those who died in 19th Century, when there wasn’t even a Registration Office run by the government back then. Just missing a couple of those certificates, and I’m stuck. I speak Italian and still learning more. I’m attached to the culture and I’m not seeking to get an European passport just to move there, I live in the USA.
Thanks for the informative video. I really agree with you about "othering" groups of people. It has always been the start of something bad happening to people when people see or refer to them as "other" than us. I also, both through my own family and through my time in Italy, find this idea opposite of Italian culture which I have always known as welcoming everyone. How many times have there been unexpected dinner guests because someone happened to stop by at dinnertime or just happen to be there playing with the kids and now they are at the table with the family? How many times have I tried to extract myself from these situations gracefully only to be told how very disappointed or sad it would be if I left? I have always said if you find yourself in an Italian home or an Italian/American home, you are guaranteed two things; you will be fed and you will be hugged.
So I got my jure sanguinis recognition last year and my passport, etc. Interesting you talk of this as my oldest sister made a comment just 2 nights ago about looking to get hers....wow! Politicians! Yuck!
As I’ve always said and even mentioned in the video, there’s no time ole the present, we know the door is open now, but we don’t know for how much longer.
Agreed with your take on this. I might add that there are many of us who are passionate about Italy, it's culture, people and way of life who are more than willing to move there, put down roots long term, spend our well earned dollars and help support the economy and contribute to society. The process is daunting and complicated to say the least. My wife and I are not Italian but have visited many times and are looking and still planning to retire there.
I think that she doesn't understand Italian culture if she thinks it's only being born in Italy. She has no fucking idea how strong our race is. It's mental.
I love what you’re saying…create the connection. Both sides of my parents & grandparents as far back as it goes are all Italian but I am a U.S. citizen. I took 3 semesters of Italian in college and came to Italy after graduation for a trip to visit my remaining relatives. I would love the chance to get dual citizenship there but it appears just too darn expensive for us to retire there even if I could get it so I’m looking elsewhere.
I was recognized in the late 90’s, and I’m proud of being a Italo-brasileiro, love both country’s, and the USA that “adopted” me for a while in the past. Sometimes I fell discriminated, is very few people, and it makes me sad... but I try to learn the language when I can . I believe I have a “this” connection, not only with Italy also with France... I’m a historian lover. But if people were more paciente would help me feel more at home and get more connected, specially times like this, is good to feel at home. When I live I’ve been to Canada and so many people helped me learn more English and even French, I miss that warm, patience and nice kinda people here.
My family are Italian, and have lived in the same tiny village for HUNDREDS of years. However, I believe that they were originally from Spain before our village records began. It’s very short sighted to believe that anyone is pure bred Italian.
I have my appointment in May and now I’m so stressed. Here I am, halfway through my apostilles and preparing my folder while also studying Italian and dreaming of moving there after I graduate college. This would ruin everything :(
At this point in time I wouldn’t be too worried, this is a discussion that seems to come up every so often. It could happen at some point. But for the time being it doesn’t seem as though it would any time soon.
Per il problema del coronavirus stanno rinviando le udienze. Si può presentare un’istanza di anticipazione di udienza motivando l’urgenza. Se hai tutti i documenti in ordine il Giudice accoglie subito la domanda. Solitamente la controparte (Ministero dell’Interno) non si costituisce neanche in giudizio
Rafael Di Furia Bravo, bel video. Al momento questo rischio non esiste perché lo jus sanguinis è troppo radicato nella nostra cultura. Invece i partiti di sinistra vogliono accogliere anche il principio dello jus soli. Per ogni informazione più approfondita contattami. Ciao. Rodolfo
While I understand your point of view on JS and do not fully support Sig. Siragusa's, I do believe some reforms are needed. For example, I was born in Italy of Italian parents who immigrated to the U.S. when I was four years old. I have been in the process of reacquiring my Italian citizenship for nearly two years and after multiple Consulate visits, I'm attempting to fulfill one of the final requirements, that of establishing residency in the comune of my birth. As a native son who was born in Italy, is fluent in Italian and by all measures Italian, I have to upend my life and move to Italy to reacquire what should be my birth right. Meanwhile, I see people who's only connection to Italy is an Italian GGGF get their Italian passports in the mail with the help of an expensive attorney and one visit to the Consulate. And let's not even get into my wife's 1948 case. While I believe, like you, that most JS applicants have a genuine desire to reconnect with their Italian ancestry and culture, it would be interesting to see some data on JS cases and what % of dual citizens remain and maintain residency in Italy.
Naturalization cancels out Italian citizenship. No Italian, including yourself, was ever forced to become naturalized. It was your choice and/or the choice of your father who's actions affected his minor son. Descendants who can prove that naturalization never cancelled out Italian citizenship even through multiple generations ARE entitled to recognition. The Italian law has been like this even since 1923 when my Italian grand-father became naturalized, fortunately AFTER his own son was born in the USA, meaning his son was born to an Italian citizen and NOT to an American citizen. Again nobody forced my grand-father to naturalize. Fortunately the timing was right for my father who passed Italian citizenship to me. We don't anticipate that any changes will be made regarding loss of Italian citizenship via naturalization for those who naturalized prior to 1992.
Ciao Rafael, I just discovered your channel and subscribed! I’m American but my family is from Italy and I’d like to gain citizenship through descent. I was wondering if you’d happen to know, if I get the process started ASAP, and Italy makes reforms that excludes me, will my application be protected? I understand that you’re not a lawyer or anything, I was just curious if you’d know since you’ve been through the process :) Ciao!
What is the best way to get started with the process? I have been wanting to do it for a while because I really want to move to Italy, but I just saw this video, and now I'm very worried that it won't happen. Any advice is greatly appreciated, and thank you for the video!!
Send me an email and I’ll forward you what I can. There’s an email form on my website, link is in the more info section below the video, but really I wouldn’t be too worried for the time being
S. N. Francis , my lawyer in a Italy filed my case in January, then everything closed because of covid. He contacted me on June 19th about my Dec 2021 court date.
I've also learned that this idea gets proposed every year and never goes anywhere. It's really not a big problem in Italy. A lot of the comments I see on this video are about how short-sighted it is for Italy to prevent people from settling there. But Lega and M5S have been pretty anti-immigration for a while now (of course, their hatred of immigrants is pretty much directed at brown immigrants from Africa (sound familiar?), not at people who will settle in Italy and bring money and tax revenue into the economy. What this woman seemed most concerned about was that the newly-recognized Italian citizens will vote - and it's not likely many of us would vote M5S (or Lega, I hope). Italians get a little annoyed at people who claim citizenship just to have an Italian passport with no intention to settle in Italy. But I don't think they have any problem with folks (like many of us) who actually want to settle there, maybe retire there, buy property, pay taxes, etc...
Great info, thanks for sharing. My great grandfather was Italien, but no one knows his name or where he came from. I made a few DNA tests and other tests and they tracked it down all the way to Sardinia. Amazing what they can do in these days now just with a little spit. Unfortunately I don’t qualify for citizenship though, total lack of info about him. Still, I am proud to have a Italian great Grandfather.
@Rafael If her issue truly was making a cultural connection maybe the government could help welcome people like us who want to create a connection with Italy by living there. Israel has programs for Jews new to Israel. I agree that their are bigger fish to fry than trying to dismantle/obstruct Jure Sanguinis. They should help people who are willing to make the move to build the country up. I'm likely going to be in a similar financial position as you are by moving to Torino one year from now. I can't imagine doing anything else but coming back to the homeland.
1) I remember that I'm technically not an immigrant here in Italy 2) it's their problem not mine, and I don't need to convince them of anything, they can believe or feel how they want
Hello I have a question. My mother emigrated to NYC in 1962 and my father in 1956. My parents had 1 daughter and 3 sons who born in NYC. My father became a US citizen in 1961 and my mother in 2000. In 1988 my mother had to go to the Italian consulate to renew her passport for a trip in Italy. Someone at the consulate told my mother that my brothers and I are Italian citizen. In September 1990 my birth certificate with an apostille was sent to Italy. My question is why are they saying that Jure Sanguinis started in 1992 when the Italian consulate told Italian Citizen that their US born children are Italian Citizens in the late 80's. I recently read that AIRE registry started in 1988.
I can't escape my name either..both grandfathers but can you explain a bit more about naturalization or is there one of your videos you could reference pls
I was born in New York City but consider myself Puerto Rican 100%. The same for many Italians who are born outside of Italy but consider themselves Italian 100%. I wonder why she'll bring that up during this time of crisis. I think she's showing a discriminatory attitude.
Hi Rafael! I sent you an email detailing my bizarre circumstance with jure sanguinis, but I do have a friend in Italy willing to help find family records. I have wanted to move to Italy since I was about 6 years old and this was going to be my first year visiting (obviously that didn't end up happening). I hope I can qualify because more than anything I want to come find my roots and build a life in Italy.
All my grandparents were born in Italy. Always wanted to return. They immersed me in all things italian. I’ve been in Italy numerous times. I have a passion for italy, feel my heart is there. When I’m there it feels right, I belong there. I have studied history, art, literature etc... cooking. My DNA is 93% italian. I’m learning the language. Plan to move there and hopefully add to Italy not take. But to Italians born in Italy , I’ll never be italian. Hopefully after time, they will see how connected I am and see my love of the country.
So what if you will never be Italian to Italians born in Italy? From what you have stated about all of your grand-parents, Italians born in Italy are mostly much younger than you and haven't lived long enough to know much about anything. Don't even worry about them. I have four grand-parents all born in the same province and town in Abruzzo. I came back to Italy 20 years ago. I would have been born here if my grand-parents didn't go to America. I was always Italian first, American second and I don't care what any Italian born in Italy thinks about it. It would be different if Italy recognized birth on the soil but it doesn't and thank God.
Hey! I'm on my process with 1948 issue. My file is in Rome and my date to see the judge january 2022!!!! I started on november 2019! I have to pay a lawyer to get my blood right. So sad to hear this news.
@@lisaventicinque25 hey!!!! It's an agony!!! So nice to hear from you. we have a group on facebook to galati process if you want to join. Ciudadania italiana juicio maddalena galati
@@natali1882 I am on there, and really glad I am. As if there weren't enough to be nervous about with this process, hearing discussion like on this video about a potential shift in the citizenship landscape... it makes me nervous. I hope the time flies! But I've got to say... I wish I had been lucky like the people who got the early court date, even though the just filed! Although, I am happy to save up all my luck for the final ruling, as well. :-) In bocca al lupo!
@@natali1882 I'm exactly one week before you, on January 19th 2022. But I didn't file until 5 December 2019, so just a little before you did which is also not exactly fair for you. I keep telling myself it is all part of the training of being Italian, and having to live with some big irregularities and frustrations when it comes to civic administration...!
Hallo I was born in Italy, and now I am 19 years old.. I just stayed in Italy for one month then my family and I have stayed out Italy until now. Is it anyway possible for me to get the Italian citizenship?
That's a shame she is coming for the decendants without any Knowledge about what our ascendants went through. For example, for our simple registration as Italian, we spend about 12 years to get ourselves registered here in Brazil. My grandpa was a very simple and humble person, he didn`t know about the laws. However, how he supposed to know about a life he could have in Italy, if he spent his life in a farm isolated from the information in a time without the Internet. Even though this situation, we still have lots of italian habits. She should get to know better about the italian comunities around the world before taking conclusions. Thank you for the information and the sharing, with more information people will get benefited about our rights.
In fairness, I would argue that the politicians point of view is not completely tone deaf when considering the pandemic. Ireland is having this same issue. People can have citizenship of these countries and that’s fine, but now some are using this to enter the EU when they’re coming from potentially worse off countries (read USA) and this is upsetting people. In particular, it’s Americans who are upsetting people the most because there’s seemingly lower compliance with quarantine restrictions due to personal sense of entitlement and the idea of individual[ism] present in the culture. Take this from somebody with three passports- I’m not against it, but I understand some aspects of the opposition’s argument. Edit: grammar
Do you have a video that explains where to start to seek jure sanguinis? My mom's grandmother and grandfather were sicilian and came to america in 1909. I have spent 9 years living in Italy not all consecutively and think dual citizenship for me is long over due.
I'm a Third Generation Italian American, my grandparents were born in Italy and lived in Cortina Abruzzo. I'm currently hoping to gain dual citizenship because my wife and I would like to live in Italy. Because my Grandparents were born, and actually my grandmother on my father's side never left Italy( my Papa divorced her at some point before I was born), she died there. Does this mean, technically, that I am a citizen of Italy? It's all very confusing.....
M5S hasn't been winning many elections in Italy lately, though they are part of the coalition government along with the PD. I'm wondering about how likely it is that her opinion is going to shape any sort of policy. Is this really something to worry about? Or just noise?
I stumbled upon this video though I see it’s a couple years old now. I’m in the process of recognizing my Italian citizenship, with ICA. But I’m not up to speed on this topic in current Italian politics. Does it seem there is any real current political push to change this in the immediate future, in your opinion? Take care
Things seem to have gone the opposite direction since then and actually the current prime minister said before she came into office something along the lines (if I remember correctly)that she believes in Jure Sanguinis and the rights of Italians around the world
Nickolas Barboza I’d say check out the podcast that I’m part of on TH-cam.com/ItalianCitizenshipAssistance and start with the first episode, just about all of the info you could need is in the podcasts. Also the lawyer in the podcast does assist people though the process. If you and your parents see that you’d like help through the process he would definitely be the best person to contact, but of course it is possible to do DIY
I saw the video of Elisa Ragusa on her bill (filed with the Chamber of Deputies? Well, we don't know ..) Anyway, it seems to me the classic ploy to grab the votes of right-wing voters: like "Italians first! " In support of this bill, then, Elisa argues that too many "invent false ancestors" to obtain citizenship: in this case, however, the Prefect of the province of residence could easily revoke the citizenship, and that ends there. Then Elisa argues that with marriage anyone becomes an "Italian citizen immediately", um, not exactly: you have to wait 2 years if you live in Italy, and 3 if you live abroad. But what troubled me was the phrase "Yet, if this person could prove that he had a very distant Italian ancestor (emigrated after 1861), he could obtain citizenship 'iure sanguinis'; with all the related rights, such as that of voting. " And what about duties? To pay taxes? And a disastrous demographic situation with more than 23% of the population over 65? Rather, they should take care of all adolescents born in Italy, but children of immigrants, who have to wait 18 years to obtain citizenship ...
I knew it would be only a matter of time before this issue would be raised.I would not want to see de jure sanguinis end. However,( and please don’t chop my head off!) for a variety of reasons, I would be in favor of generational limitations and both language and cultural requirements. People born outside of Italy can have a love and knowledge of certain aspects of Italian culture, however it is not a substitute for being born and raised In Italy. How often despite de jure sanguinis and all the legal documentation such citizens , particularly if they lack language skills,, are still considered foreigners by many native born Italians.
I'm honestly sometimes surprised when I hear people want to move to Italy, but haven't even started to learn the language, or have no intention to. So that is a point. But there are other examples too, obviously, where parents have raised their children bilingually and there has been a strong cultural association throughout their lives.
You should not take exceptions as the rule. My experience is that the majority of people wishing to live in Italy are very well intended to get the language and cultural skills, leave alone they are already entirely experts (as Rafael rightfully says) in all things Italian. I agree it doesn't replace the experience of being born and educated, but no country in this world is an island of blood or cultural purity.
Tom B there are certainly exceptions. However, if you check the comments you will frequently see questions such as, "Do you really need Italian to live and work in Italy?" "How important is Italian in daily life? " I am sure foreigners who wish to live in Italy actually have good intentions of learning the language and culture. However, most foreigners have no idea about the difficulties of the Italian bureaucracy and trying to navigate it without the language. Adjusting to a new culture, trying to find work, getting legal residency, setting up banking and the other requirements of daily living, and learning a new language at the same time is extremely difficult. Sometimes, you need more than good intentions, one has to be extremely practical and prepare well to face life 's challenges. All I can say is in bocca al lupo!
@@giovanniserafino1731 Yes, it's definitely important. I know when I was e.g. looking for property, enquiring about bank accounts, and similar 'everyday things', many of these places require you to speak Italian. It's not a given that everyone will (or will be comfortable) to speak in English.
At this point I’m not very concerned about it changing... however like with the update in 2018 when the rules changed for citizenship by naturalization, the changes did affect many people... but with this it’s completely an unknown and anything would be complete speculation
MAJOR FACEPALM 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ It sounds like it's going to be ten times harder now just to get a citizen ship. My great grandparents and grandpa would be registered in Italy ... BRAVO 👏👏 yes I would love to learn so much more about Italy where my grandfather started out his life.
If you listen to Nomad Capatilists view on this topic, the reason for talking about this subject is precisely because it affects practically no one. Therefore she is attacking a demographic that can be demonized for votes and are too small to fight back. They're an easy target. Australian born with Italian grandfather whose English mother took him to England after his father died. Would love to reconnect. Keep up the good work mate.
Thanks for your kind words and coming to check out this video! I have to admit I often disagree with his views, however regarding this topic, I completely agree with the position that they are taking advantage of a portion of the population that you could in fact describe as a minority.
mimmi brontola so, to give somebody a right, it is ok to strip someone else’s right. So stupid. Btw, the majority of the countries in the EU have the ius sanguinis.
@@Bradamante68 to me it is not a right at all if somebody does not speak the language and/or has a parent with said nationality. As for jus sanguis and jus soli this is the situation in other EU states: the Italian situation for children born here of foreign nationals is one of the most limiting ones.
@@mimmiblu6138 I feel you are not consistent in the criteria you put - so in effect you are more accepting of (other) foreign nationals, who at one point came to Italy and then had children there, yet when it's someone with Italian background, they should be 50% Italian (or whatever generational limit).
Presumably youd agree that anyone with an English sounding name (eg smith) who also speaks English and is related to the pilgrims of the 17th century - they should be entitled to a British passport?
I don’t know anything about their system or their rules that govern citizenship so I don’t have enough info to have an “educated” opinion on how things are done, or should be done there...the rules that govern citizenship in Italy have existed since Roman times... furthermore having an Italian sounding name isn’t the thing which entitles a person to Italian Citizenship however can be an indication that there’s the possibility they may be eligible
As much as I would love to be an Italian citizen, I could never be as I don't have a drop of Italian blood in me. But I can do the next best thing and buy a house or apartment and stay the max months allowed per year.
@@vidgro4591 @vidgro People make that kind of reference as one of the ways to describe their ethnicity. I'm part Chinese so it's not unusual for me to say that I've got Chinese blood in me. I can go beyond that and say that Prince Harry has royal blood. Even my dog has a bloodline. It relates to a generation or a lineage.
I'm an American with Italian paternal grandparents from Campobasso-Molise. Pre covid they were offering $600 a month for people to move there and start businesses.. I want to get the process started I have heard that Nick Metta is great with immigration and jure sanguinis issues. He is at Studio Legale Metta. Rafael have you heard of this Law Firm? I have some basic Italian language skills as well as some Italian music repertoire under my belt. Verdi, Rossini, Puccini, etc. Maybe they will take pity on me if I sing for them :)
You are touching on a lot of points. difficult to comment on all. There are people legally with 4 or more citizenships in other countries and yet Italy has an odd system. You can not be bothered the way politicians and people talk in Italy. Prior to that law in 92 men who did not serve the military were taken from the airport to serve. Imagine you left Italy at twelve and made a visit around the age 18 to Italy and you arrive at the airport to return back to the other life you had only to be escorted out the airport to complete your military service. You were taken away from your life elsewhere. Some decided to become a citizen of the other country to avoid this problem however Italy prior to 92 if your father was Italian you had to serve so that idea of citizenship to avoid this problem went out the window. Some could not travel to visit their family without a load of documents. Then that law came in 92 that changed a lot. Ease on restrictions but now you had to prove you were Italian to begin with. Its not enough that you were born Italian and have ancestry anymore. You had to get the proper documents from your birth place. People were scrambling to get their citizenship back but consulates losing documents, pushing the date further away so that targets were not met. Italian one day and the next not. You prepare the documents for one family member but you do not get your own papers in the mail saying you are Italian again. You can always return for one year but why? With immediate ties like family in Italy you can not be Italian immediately by filling out some simple documents while someone of three generations or two generations born outside Italy have an an easier way than those born and raised. It is a good argument that she does point out. Its not easy looking for work without that passport. Only 2nd generation had to do an Italian test? I did not even know there was such a law. I am first generation born outside, i was more than happy to do the test at 22. I wonder what the new laws would state? How Italian must you be? What kind of attachment to the country is required? Do I qualify - all my immediate family members aunts, uncle and 1st cousins are in Italy. I probably have relatives in at least 10 cities with roots there. I am not close to my cousins, they have their own life, just curious to know if this qualifies in her eyes and the people she is reaching out too. We do not know what she is getting at. Does it hurt Italy an aging population who are looking for people to move there to have people of juri danguinis? I am concerned about her words. it seems she was just attacking people that have a special privilege which concerns me because she has no point. `perhaps she is attacking many Argentinians that use the Italian citizenship to get to Spain. However to counter this argument - If Italy was in better condition, perhaps people would have returned to Italy and work because its not like Italy does not need people, they do. People connecting with Italy through ancestry could provide something to Italy. You are definitely right that should just have talked about bigger issues. Too tired to continue writing - sorry if it does not make sense ...
Very interesting 🤔 I’m glad I have my Citizenship already. But my husbands is hung up somewhere... but what I need an answer to is a drivers license?? We are in our 60’s and have driven all our lives ... yet if I’m correct it is required that we attend a driving school in Italian and take the drivers test in Italian... or French or Portuguese or Spanish or Tagalog... but not English?
My wife is an Italian citizen by June Sanguinis for 4 years now, as is our daughter. I am also Italian but unable to obtain the needed proof. My grandparents had 200 acres of land in the Commune of Bardi, also as is my wife's familia. Until only a few years ago, the test was given in English. I assume that you are aware of the "hoops" needed to obtain a drivers license. When that is finished you have a probation period of 1 year and can't operate anything bigger than 499cc. You MUST get an Italian license if you remain for one year. I'm 71. We would have moved there 3 years ago if not for the drivers license thing. I feel that that the license hassle is unfair, especially since I have driven hundreds of miles all over Italy, as well as Europe. I don't need any more "unfairs" in my life. I feel your pain, my friend.
Hi Rafael! I've watched many of your videos for many years. I applied for "Jure Sanguinis" at the immigration office in Rome. I paid $250 Euros and they took my fingerprints. They told me they would mail me something in "a few weeks". It has been over a year. Meanwhile I paid America to renew my passport a quarter year ago! I just want to move back to Italy permanently.
Yeah this would be radical, I think all European countries go through citizenship by decent. Ireland did have birthright citizenship but was repealed. In America we have alot of problems that come along with Birthright citizenship nowadays.
Just imagine this polititions view comes to reality what the backlash will have on italy just from their own people from abroad. Italians are almost fed up with italian politics and this will just make them want to deny their heritage. Italians are the most proud immigrant group in america and lets not mess with that
I can also understand that the Italian passport is interesting because it gives direct acces to 187 countries (the US passpirt give direct access only 184 only) but most of all once one have the italuan passport can live innany of the other wuropean country so the Italian passport is a key to a new life in the EU...
187 vs 184 countries visa free is not a big difference... An Italian passport is a great thing for the diaspora in Latin America, that their original passport does not have visa free access to the US, Canada, Australia etc. The Italian passport is not even a huge upgrade against a Brazilian or Argentina passport, you maybe gain access to 4 or 5 you would want to travel to.
@@JamesSmith-qv9qo The question is not how many countries but is why not so many!!! The answer in my opinion is that the US passport do not give visa free access to as many countries because of the "bully ways" US often shows to the many it considers to be "inferior"! Most americans belive US to be the best place on earth and that there is nothing as good or better outside it... couriously most of those who thinks like that seems have never been outside the US in their life... that make those US citizens slave of their own country because when one has no interest in the outside world is just a slave with no chance to learn new things and improve!... This to say that it's not a matter of numbers, the fact is that US beliving to be the best in the universe often behave like a spoiled 15yo child that, every time he doesn't obtain what he wants starts to behaving nasty to others instead of trying to find a different way or even just accepting that other people could have different ideas on things and that's it... nothing else can be done! Everybody is the king of his own house one can't start a war every time a NO is recived as an answer! US often seems to be a child unable to take a NO for an answer! It's a matter of stop considering the rest of the world "inferiors" because this is annoying for many while others (the European countries for instance) consider this attitude just ridicolous, belive me that most of the world laugh when americans act as if they are the best ever ... "those blessed by god", well, maybe US is right because they are blessed by their own personal god which is not the same god of the rest of the world for those who believe there is one!!! To talk about how good US is just look at the "covid" situation... US is too proud to admit they are doing wrong! The first thing done has been starting the race for who will be the first creating a vaccine instead of learning from others that made a better job how to limit the virus ability to spread around. So the fact of the passport is just something to invite people to think about why those who believe to be the best are actually less trusted than others.
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TH-cam control the ads and they are generally tailored to a person's viewing habits and search habits. If there is an ad you don't like I believe there's an "i" icon on the screen that you can click and a menu will come up and you can click that and mark an ad which isn't relevant to you
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Link to my Facebook post that I mentioned in the video where you can also find the video I reference:
facebook.com/RafaelDiFuria/posts/10207754053324871
UPDATE 11 AUGUST 2020:
It has come to my attention that Mrs. Siragusa who I made my video in response to has either closed or hidden her social media accounts in the time since I have posted my video responding to her proposal.
Coincidence?
Interesting timing at the very least....
Hi Raff. Thanks alot for everything. My grandparents were born in Polarmo, but my father was born here. I'm so confused by all of this. Can you please help me. Does that make me a citizen or not. Do you know the answer.? I'm getting ready to move to Sicily when I sell my condo. A 1 euro home. My heart is in Italy & I always wanted to do this but thought I couldn't. Do you know the answer? Thanks
Caio. My real name is Francesca Marino which I am very proud of. My heart is in Italy. I've been there 2x already up north. But I am Sicilian & want to live there. I want to go home. I don't know if you can help but you seem to know a lot & I'm comfortable with you. Thanks again
@@francinemoloney2437 not enough info here for me to be able to know for sure...it's a lot more involved than just having an Italian ancestor.... feel free to send me an email Info@RafaelDiFuria.com
@@francinemoloney2437 That's exactly the point here. Up to now - and we hope the situation doesn't change - you have the right to the Italian citizenship, except if your grandparents or your father were naturalized Americans (prior to the birth of the respective descendant) or renounced to the Italian citizenship.
I’m Swedish-Italian, my dad emigrated from Italy to Sweden to live with my mother (Swedish women you know 🙄) I was born and raised in Sweden. I’m really glad my dad registered me as an citizen. I use my Italian passport every time I travel. When my son was born 14 years ago I registered him as well. Our Italian heritage is really important for us and we travel to Italy 1-3 times per year.
But this is the thing: you did value your citizenship and made sure you could pass it down to your child: you and your child are citizens because you valued your "Italianness", but there are people who had one Italian greatgrandparent, don't speak the language, have never been to Italy and claim that having the Italian citizenship is their right. Why? If their citizenship had been important to them, they would have simply passed it down from generation to generation like you did, rightly so.
@@mimmiblu6138 They all ready did since citizenship is an automatic thing. If your born to an Italian parent your Italian (even if you don't know it). Then your a citizen and you can pass it on and on thru the generations even if the people in the line don't know they are Italian...
@@sandis7278 actually you have to register for the citizenship exactly as the per the first post
Bravo
I met other guy from Sweden same like you. He did the same
I've always viewed Jure Sanguinis as a net positive for Italy in every possible way. Italy is able to regain some of its lost population over the last century. Sure, not every person will end up moving to Italy or contributing to the country in tangible ways, but many will and have been for years. There's little to zero downside.
You got to be kidden. Are you assuming that people with money are a contribution. Let me tell you what money brings, it brings slavery. You are better off bringing in people who wants a new life and produces swet and tears to build equity in italy
i do too i think its great to get italian descent to come back into italy
I came to live in the village where my grandparents were born. I'm one of two English speaking people in my village. People are dying to leave and EVERYONE asks me WHY?
Everybody's eyes light up when I tell them I'm from Los Angeles. Even more so, when I tell them I've lived in Africa and other exotic places around the world.
WHY SICILY ALFONSO?
Perche è bellissima...
They look at me and shake their heads in disbelief...
At a time when Italians are looking to leave, the government is trying to make it impossible for actual overseas Italians to come home.
This perfectly explains the entire Italian system of beurocrisy. Total nonsensical policies. They do exactly the opposite of what should be done.
My family home is there 700 years and I want to live there and open a business Agritourismo and hire Italians I have inherited all on my father's side And my birth wasn't registered for some reason and everyone is passed
I plan to move to Italy once I receive the citizenship. Working with Marco Permunian. Thank you Nonno!!
I agree with you. My grandfather came from Italy to Argentina, and since I was little I've been surrounded with Italian culture. I'm very proud to have my jure sanguinis citizenship and I'm studying Italian so I can someday move to my grandfather's country . I know that it's not required for me to learn Italian but I think it's a must, language is part of the culture and if you want to know more about the culture one of the best ways is through language. Mi piace tantissimo imparare l'italiano!
i'm brazilian and both sides of my family came from Italy in the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century. i'm also currently learning italian (just started though) so i'm able to move there eventually. living in Latin America is fucking tiresome.
hopefully things go right for us, hermano!
@@ThePedroppz igual que eu. Abraços
I'm a naturalized American but I was born and spent the first 30 years of my life in Brazil. I'm also the great grandson of Italians who were forced to leave Italy in the 1800's because of how tough things were in Italy. I didn't chose to be born in Brazil. If I had a choice, I would have chosen to be born in Italy (and that's why I'm working on the recognition of my inherited Italian citizenship). There, that's my "connection" to Italy, ma'am!
I do believe you lost your inherited Italian citizenship when you became a naturalized American citizen.
@@carolmerlini9971 Depends on the year he became an American citizen.
You're right. Just because someone marries an Italian living in Italy doesn't mean that they will have that connection to the culture or the language. My friend in Rome told me about a British lady he knows who has been living there for more than 20 years and is married to an Italian but speaks very little Italian since she and her husband speak English with one another.
I know they bring up the whole thing of getting rid of/changing jure sanguinis laws from time to time, but if it changes before I am able to register my heart will shatter...
Same! I just started this process and know it takes time. I'm not optimistic I'll be able to get it even within 2 years
@@racheldamato4375 Same here! Fingers crossed..I believe it will happen for us!!
I hope you guys get it Finger crossed!
Don't panic, there is a confussion about that. To be born is the legal fact that makes you citizen instead of registering in some italian office. It is like you are italian but the state is not aware of. In the same situation are people how got married with an Italian before 1983. You inherit cittizenship like a property and you already have it, nobody can take it off you.
What is crazy is in the same token, there are people from all around the world buying 1 euro houses in Italy, yet, you don't hear of complaints about their lack of connection.
The purchase of a house or property in Italy has no relation to the right of abode in the country.
@@lucasbridges8082 True, but some comuni are paying people to come live there, establishing residency. So ultimately they will apply for citizenship I am sure. So that is like state sponsored immigration in the midst of an immigration crisis. On the flip side, JS candidates are not offered first dibs. We have to join the lottery like anyone else as far as I know. So if the purpose of the program is to bring people back to dying comuni, why not give preference to JS eligible citizens?
@@ExploringUmbria @Art Shivers Real Estate You make a valid point, but unfortunately not one that stands in today's world of immigration where money does the talking. In principle, it's the same as Citizenship by Investment. Why should the decedents or dependents of citizens of half a dozen Caribbean nations needs to establish domicile in their "home" countries when investors can make a donation and have the passport posted to them?
Because they like myself are citizens of Italy from birth; we were just born and live abroad. It is not about need, it is a birthright, it is about heritage and cultural pride. I can name my ancestors back almost 300 years in Italy, know the provincia and comuni we are from, and I personally am in contact with distant relatives in Italy to this very day & we chat in Italian. Similar to people from Guam or Puerto Rico can hop on an airplane and come live and work in the United States, we can hop on down to the consulate and apply for our passport. Obviously there is a process to it, but the end result is cut and dry. And my last point to your argument about investment is, investors and speculators, can wreak as much or more havoc on a fragile community. They are in it for profit and pull out when the shit hits the fan, leaving people jobless, communities devastated. Being in the real estate profession, I can personally attest to that. The point of the cheap homes programs is to bring back the community.
@@ExploringUmbria I'm sorry Art, but emotional pleas hold no credence in law. I wish you the best.
Italy has such a low birth rate. Seems like those of Italian descent are the people they'd MOST want to bring into the country.
Including Hollywood movies stars 🤣
I’m an Italian descendant, the fourth generation of my family here in Brazil and the idea of recognizing my Italian citizenship is exactly being able to live in Italy and recreate this connection with the country where my ancestors came from.
And to come here im mass to wreck the European economy by pretending to be a nationality you dont really own.
Ronnie Pickering nobody owns a nationality.
@@philipmorrone5717 but Brazilian citizenship is not great.
If someone from another country, such as an American, came to Scotland enthusiastic about contributing to the country and learning the culture of their ancestors, there is no reality in which I can see that being a bad thing. In fact, I think those people are the ones that will stop traditions from dying. I've heard that Irish Americans on average know more about the countries traditions than the natives do, and from my experience in Scotland, this might actually be true. (Young) people here don't care at all, if somebody has ancestral connections to the country and wishes to pursue them, then let them. I guarantee they care more about the country than most natives do. To say that because we were born and raised in the country, and they were not, makes them outsiders or lesser citizens, as if they could never be as Scottish as we are is just pure ignorance and blatantly wrong.
Don’t follow too much politics otherwise you gonna get crazy
I am 41 and when I was a young child my nonna and nonno (on my father's side) would tell me stories of when my nonno was growing up on the family farm in Italy. I was brought being taught about his culture and what life was like there, I was brought up experiencing homemade italian dishes, loving Voltaro music, learning music from italian singers, appreciating Italian actors and movies and cried when my husband made my dream come true which was visiting Italy for our honeymoon, I felt so close to my family even though I did not get the opportunity to visit Borgotaro and Milan where both sides of my family are from. My mother's parents only spoke Italian in the home here in the states, and I had even witnessed my grandfather spout off Latin when he got angry. I am seriously thinking of going and hyphenating my last name to bring back my maiden name. Eventually I want to move to Italy, and I'm hoping that there will be a day that I can. As well as finding out if my ancestors hopefully never renounced their Italian citizenship.
Ahhh, I’ve been following your videos and your sessions with ITA for almost 2 years now (thanks a million times over by the way) while I get everything together for my Italian Citizenship application and this is so scary! I really hope it doesn’t take. I’m literally going in January 2021 to put in my app, haha.
I totally agree with you, I am proud to be a Brazilian-Italian citizen.
This is a very shortsighted initiative.
On one hand the Italian population is growing older and older; on the other, illegal immigrants' numbers are growing bigger and bigger, and having a great number of children who will never feel really connected to the country, its customs, traditions, faith, etc..
They should be concerned in bringing back home their own descendants.
100%
@@vm80 I agree with you for the most part. But with regard to 1st gen children of immigrants, that is like saying kids who are in the DACA program don't feel American. Quite the opposite. And that is why there are people fighting for jus soli to be a path to citizenship. Iure Sanguine is not a path to citizenship though, it is a birthright, that one seeks formal recognition of, so to reform the laws would be discriminating against people who have been citizens since birth.
Art Shivers Real Estate It is very different than the US situation. Being American is a nationality that anyone can have by being a citizen. There are no ethnic Americans, except for the Native Americans. Italians are part of distinct ethnic groups and have a strong culture and culinary identity. The US doesn’t really have a strong culture because of the diverse amount of cultures there. Both countries are great, but in different ways.
@@JamesSmith-qv9qo So by that logic, hypothetically speaking, orphans in Italy cannot be adopted because they will not understand the culture?
Art Shivers Real Estate Of course orphans could be adopted by Italian families, and some are. But, to say children of illegal immigrants living in immigrant enclaves feel Italian, is a bit ridiculous. Most of these immigrants are not living an Italian lifestyle in terms of food they eat, and most likely their religion and language spoken. A person from China can legally move to Italy, and after 10 years naturalize as an Italian citizen, but many native Italians will not view that person as Italian. The same goes for a western in many Asian countries.
I hope that doesn't get ANY traction.
I did exactly what you did. All 4 grandparents came from Sicily. I made great money in the US. I got my citizenship through Jure Sanguinis, packed a container with my stuff and went back _home._
It will be 7 years this December. It's been a wild and crazy journey.
Is it nice there?
@@wololeiro2364
It's not Utopia but it sure beats Los Angeles.
I dedicated the last 6 months to start learning the Italian language, the regions and what makes each unique, what art/sculpture each region has and so on bc I want citizenship in TWENTY YEARS when we retire.. I'll keep learning and try for citizenship now but it's sad to hear I don't deserve it.
The last, of course is cittadinanza jure sanguinis (blood right)
I’ve been working so hard to gather my documents I am 5th generation i’ve been learning italian for 2 years just out of pure passion for the language people and the land. Ever since I visited when I began studying the language I felt the language in my blood quite actually and i’ve been learning so much about my families struggle and how proud of me they would be that I am going back to italy to live there and become a part of the culture because I love it so very much. i’m 3rd on my mom’s side but we have less info about this side of the family and we kept a stronger connection on the other side. Lo sento dentro di me.
Alright, this is an issue that brings up a lot of very intense feelings for me. I was born to a single mother who was sent here from her birthplace in Italy against her will as a child. She was adopted in NJ by distant family members and was naturalized before I was born. As jure sanguinis stands now, I am not entitled to Italian citizenship. ALL of my mother’s/my immediate family are still in Italy. I speak Italian. I am the only one in my immediate family born outside of Italy... I am the only one in my immediate family stuck stateside. But I’m not under the umbrella of jure sanguinis.
On the other hand, the distant family that adopted my mother stateside are now in their fourth/fifth/sixth generation of American birth. But under jure sanguinis they all got Italian citizenship. None of them have immediate family in Italy. None of them grew up speaking our language. But they have a right to citizenship. This is extremely offensive to people in my situation.
My closest aunt died this May in Lazio. Because of COVID I couldn’t get to my family to be with them for the funeral because all I have is a US Passport. This was devastating... and a perfect example as to the importance of allowing ALL children of Italian natives Italian citizenship if our IMMEDIATE FAMILIES are still there.
I, the only person in my family born off of Italian soil, cannot get citizenship. All of my distant family in Jersey now have citizenship without a SINGLE Italian family member on Italian soil. This is a slap in the face.
Jure sanguinis for ALL children of Italian natives! Jure sanguinis for ALL people whose entire immediate family is still in Italy. This is not necessarily mutually exclusive with all of the fourth, fifth, or sixth generations born on foreign soil. But to exclude ANY first generation born on foreign soil? Vergognoso...
This depends. Marry an Italian OK. Marry somebody from the melting pot? Not OK. Just my opinion.
Seriously!!! Italian global network is REAL 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
I agree with you to bring up the subject of changing Jure sanguinis during these times is not an important topic or right timing. Not only have the generations who left Italy 60-70 years ago still live and breathe the Italian culture every day they have also further passed the culture to the next generation and hence that's why the next generation want to become Italian citizenships. I am an one of these going through obtaining my Italian citizenship at the moment. It's a long process but worth it.
Italian culture abroad is as strong as it is because of Italians abroad and their descendants feel a connection to Italy. This only benefits Italy with 'brand recognition', tourism, investments, & more. To get rid of it would be ludicrous, particularly when Italy's population is aging and is comparatively homogenous when compared to France or Spain. Spain is actually going the other way and encouraging people of ex-Spanish colonies to move there (I.E. making it relatively easy to settle in Spain).
Or, at least encourage people to create the connection and those who are trying to make it, like me.
That's scary, I'm just now getting all my paperwork together to start my citizenship application. Let's hope for the best,.
By the way, you have an amazing voice!
i call em like i see em! ... you're looking great RAFAEL... thanks for this all this thoughtful information & thanks for sharing!
My ancestors emigrated to Argentina from Genova in 1853. I was able to track the last Molinari from my family branch who was born in 1827 in Voltri. Now, in order to get my Italian Citizenship, I need to bring death certificates from those who died in 19th Century, when there wasn’t even a Registration Office run by the government back then. Just missing a couple of those certificates, and I’m stuck. I speak Italian and still learning more. I’m attached to the culture and I’m not seeking to get an European passport just to move there, I live in the USA.
You can find a witness when he died.
Thanks Rafael for an update. I am grateful that I have my Italian citizenship recognized now 2 years.
Thanks for the informative video. I really agree with you about "othering" groups of people. It has always been the start of something bad happening to people when people see or refer to them as "other" than us. I also, both through my own family and through my time in Italy, find this idea opposite of Italian culture which I have always known as welcoming everyone.
How many times have there been unexpected dinner guests because someone happened to stop by at dinnertime or just happen to be there playing with the kids and now they are at the table with the family? How many times have I tried to extract myself from these situations gracefully only to be told how very disappointed or sad it would be if I left?
I have always said if you find yourself in an Italian home or an Italian/American home, you are guaranteed two things; you will be fed and you will be hugged.
So I got my jure sanguinis recognition last year and my passport, etc. Interesting you talk of this as my oldest sister made a comment just 2 nights ago about looking to get hers....wow! Politicians! Yuck!
As I’ve always said and even mentioned in the video, there’s no time ole the present, we know the door is open now, but we don’t know for how much longer.
Agreed with your take on this. I might add that there are many of us who are passionate about Italy, it's culture, people and way of life who are more than willing to move there, put down roots long term, spend our well earned dollars and help support the economy and contribute to society. The process is daunting and complicated to say the least. My wife and I are not Italian but have visited many times and are looking and still planning to retire there.
I think that she doesn't understand Italian culture if she thinks it's only being born in Italy. She has no fucking idea how strong our race is. It's mental.
I love what you’re saying…create the connection. Both sides of my parents & grandparents as far back as it goes are all Italian but I am a U.S. citizen. I took 3 semesters of Italian in college and came to Italy after graduation for a trip to visit my remaining relatives. I would love the chance to get dual citizenship there but it appears just too darn expensive for us to retire there even if I could get it so I’m looking elsewhere.
I was recognized in the late 90’s, and I’m proud of being a Italo-brasileiro, love both country’s, and the USA that “adopted” me for a while in the past. Sometimes I fell discriminated, is very few people, and it makes me sad... but I try to learn the language when I can . I believe I have a “this” connection, not only with Italy also with France... I’m a historian lover. But if people were more paciente would help me feel more at home and get more connected, specially times like this, is good to feel at home. When I live I’ve been to Canada and so many people helped me learn more English and even French, I miss that warm, patience and nice kinda people here.
Just started the process of collecting our paperwork for jure sanguinis, do you think it's going to be a waste of time?
This is so scary!! I have all of my paperwork together but my appt isn't until 2022! Please no changes!
My family are Italian, and have lived in the same tiny village for HUNDREDS of years.
However, I believe that they were originally from Spain before our village records began.
It’s very short sighted to believe that anyone is pure bred Italian.
I have my appointment in May and now I’m so stressed. Here I am, halfway through my apostilles and preparing my folder while also studying Italian and dreaming of moving there after I graduate college. This would ruin everything :(
At this point in time I wouldn’t be too worried, this is a discussion that seems to come up every so often. It could happen at some point. But for the time being it doesn’t seem as though it would any time soon.
Rafael Di Furia thank you for comforting me haha-grazie mille :)
Per il problema del coronavirus stanno rinviando le udienze. Si può presentare un’istanza di anticipazione di udienza motivando l’urgenza. Se hai tutti i documenti in ordine il Giudice accoglie subito la domanda. Solitamente la controparte (Ministero dell’Interno) non si costituisce neanche in giudizio
Rafael Di Furia Bravo, bel video. Al momento questo rischio non esiste perché lo jus sanguinis è troppo radicato nella nostra cultura. Invece i partiti di sinistra vogliono accogliere anche il principio dello jus soli. Per ogni informazione più approfondita contattami. Ciao. Rodolfo
While I understand your point of view on JS and do not fully support Sig. Siragusa's, I do believe some reforms are needed. For example, I was born in Italy of Italian parents who immigrated to the U.S. when I was four years old. I have been in the process of reacquiring my Italian citizenship for nearly two years and after multiple Consulate visits, I'm attempting to fulfill one of the final requirements, that of establishing residency in the comune of my birth. As a native son who was born in Italy, is fluent in Italian and by all measures Italian, I have to upend my life and move to Italy to reacquire what should be my birth right. Meanwhile, I see people who's only connection to Italy is an Italian GGGF get their Italian passports in the mail with the help of an expensive attorney and one visit to the Consulate. And let's not even get into my wife's 1948 case. While I believe, like you, that most JS applicants have a genuine desire to reconnect with their Italian ancestry and culture, it would be interesting to see some data on JS cases and what % of dual citizens remain and maintain residency in Italy.
Naturalization cancels out Italian citizenship. No Italian, including yourself, was ever forced to become naturalized. It was your choice and/or the choice of your father who's actions affected his minor son. Descendants who can prove that naturalization never cancelled out Italian citizenship even through multiple generations ARE entitled to recognition. The Italian law has been like this even since 1923 when my Italian grand-father became naturalized, fortunately AFTER his own son was born in the USA, meaning his son was born to an Italian citizen and NOT to an American citizen. Again nobody forced my grand-father to naturalize. Fortunately the timing was right for my father who passed Italian citizenship to me. We don't anticipate that any changes will be made regarding loss of Italian citizenship via naturalization for those who naturalized prior to 1992.
@@carolmerlini9971 What's with your condescending tone? And who are "we"? Who do you represent?
Hi Rafael, haven’t seen any recent podcasts. I hope you are well and safe. Take care. Karen
Bravo sir. Very passionate. Thank you for sharing this!
Thank you for coming to check out the video :)
Sei un grande!
Yay, you're back!
Ciao Rafael, I just discovered your channel and subscribed! I’m American but my family is from Italy and I’d like to gain citizenship through descent. I was wondering if you’d happen to know, if I get the process started ASAP, and Italy makes reforms that excludes me, will my application be protected?
I understand that you’re not a lawyer or anything, I was just curious if you’d know since you’ve been through the process :)
Ciao!
Appreciate the heads up. Thanks for your work!
What is the best way to get started with the process? I have been wanting to do it for a while because I really want to move to Italy, but I just saw this video, and now I'm very worried that it won't happen. Any advice is greatly appreciated, and thank you for the video!!
Send me an email and I’ll forward you what I can. There’s an email form on my website, link is in the more info section below the video, but really I wouldn’t be too worried for the time being
I have a 1948 case and my court date in Rome is scheduled for December 2021. Hopefully, her opinion won’t make much traction before then.
Bassed on her arguments and reasoning I have a difficult time to imagine she would make much of a splash... but you never know
May I ask when you received your hearing date? I am still waiting to receive a hearing date in Rome.
S. N. Francis , my lawyer in a Italy filed my case in January, then everything closed because of covid. He contacted me on June 19th about my Dec 2021 court date.
Scott Clarke, my lawyer filed my case in February, two weeks before Italy shut down. I wish you the best.
My date is january 2022! Judge???
I've also learned that this idea gets proposed every year and never goes anywhere. It's really not a big problem in Italy. A lot of the comments I see on this video are about how short-sighted it is for Italy to prevent people from settling there. But Lega and M5S have been pretty anti-immigration for a while now (of course, their hatred of immigrants is pretty much directed at brown immigrants from Africa (sound familiar?), not at people who will settle in Italy and bring money and tax revenue into the economy. What this woman seemed most concerned about was that the newly-recognized Italian citizens will vote - and it's not likely many of us would vote M5S (or Lega, I hope). Italians get a little annoyed at people who claim citizenship just to have an Italian passport with no intention to settle in Italy. But I don't think they have any problem with folks (like many of us) who actually want to settle there, maybe retire there, buy property, pay taxes, etc...
Great info, thanks for sharing. My great grandfather was Italien, but no one knows his name or where he came from. I made a few DNA tests and other tests and they tracked it down all the way to Sardinia. Amazing what they can do in these days now just with a little spit. Unfortunately I don’t qualify for citizenship though, total lack of info about him. Still, I am proud to have a Italian great Grandfather.
@Rafael If her issue truly was making a cultural connection maybe the government could help welcome people like us who want to create a connection with Italy by living there.
Israel has programs for Jews new to Israel. I agree that their are bigger fish to fry than trying to dismantle/obstruct Jure Sanguinis.
They should help people who are willing to make the move to build the country up. I'm likely going to be in a similar financial position as you are by moving to Torino one year from now. I can't imagine doing anything else but coming back to the homeland.
How do you tolerate all of that distain for immigrants?
1) I remember that I'm technically not an immigrant here in Italy
2) it's their problem not mine, and I don't need to convince them of anything, they can believe or feel how they want
Hello I have a question. My mother emigrated to NYC in 1962 and my father in 1956. My parents had 1 daughter and 3 sons who born in NYC. My father became a US citizen in 1961 and my mother in 2000. In 1988 my mother had to go to the Italian consulate to renew her passport for a trip in Italy. Someone at the consulate told my mother that my brothers and I are Italian citizen. In September 1990 my birth certificate with an apostille was sent to Italy. My question is why are they saying that Jure Sanguinis started in 1992 when the Italian consulate told Italian Citizen that their US born children are Italian Citizens in the late 80's. I recently read that AIRE registry started in 1988.
Thank you for posting
Thank you for coming to check this video out 😁
I can't escape my name either..both grandfathers but can you explain a bit more about naturalization or is there one of your videos you could reference pls
Do you happen to know what position the Fratelli di Italia party has on this issue?
Fratelli d'Italia is anti immigrant. But I don't know their position on jures sanguinis. Perhaps you should ask Giorgia Meloni.
@@carolmerlini9971 JS applicants aren't immigrants so I don't expect her to lump the two issues together. She's very pro-Italy. I will look into it.
Not so fast! The League attacked the 1948 law before Salvini took over when they were the Northern League.
You nailed it!. Thank you Rafa.
Nicely made. Good points.
Thank you for coming to check out this video :)
I was born in New York City but consider myself Puerto Rican 100%. The same for many Italians who are born outside of Italy but consider themselves Italian 100%. I wonder why she'll bring that up during this time of crisis. I think she's showing a discriminatory attitude.
Her point is that it’s Italian born people with immigrant parents that are discriminated and how this law is “racist”.
Hi Rafael! I sent you an email detailing my bizarre circumstance with jure sanguinis, but I do have a friend in Italy willing to help find family records. I have wanted to move to Italy since I was about 6 years old and this was going to be my first year visiting (obviously that didn't end up happening). I hope I can qualify because more than anything I want to come find my roots and build a life in Italy.
All my grandparents were born in Italy. Always wanted to return. They immersed me in all things italian. I’ve been in Italy numerous times. I have a passion for italy, feel my heart is there. When I’m there it feels right, I belong there. I have studied history, art, literature etc... cooking. My DNA is 93% italian. I’m learning the language. Plan to move there and hopefully add to Italy not take. But to Italians born in Italy , I’ll never be italian. Hopefully after time, they will see how connected I am and see my love of the country.
So what if you will never be Italian to Italians born in Italy? From what you have stated about all of your grand-parents, Italians born in Italy are mostly much younger than you and haven't lived long enough to know much about anything. Don't even worry about them. I have four grand-parents all born in the same province and town in Abruzzo. I came back to Italy 20 years ago. I would have been born here if my grand-parents didn't go to America. I was always Italian first, American second and I don't care what any Italian born in Italy thinks about it. It would be different if Italy recognized birth on the soil but it doesn't and thank God.
Hey! I'm on my process with 1948 issue. My file is in Rome and my date to see the judge january 2022!!!! I started on november 2019! I have to pay a lawyer to get my blood right. So sad to hear this news.
Ciao! We are on the exact same 1948 timeline! My date is the 19th with Galati. The wait seems like forever, doesn't it?!?!?! Good luck to you!
@@lisaventicinque25 hey!!!! It's an agony!!! So nice to hear from you. we have a group on facebook to galati process if you want to join. Ciudadania italiana juicio maddalena galati
@@natali1882 I am on there, and really glad I am. As if there weren't enough to be nervous about with this process, hearing discussion like on this video about a potential shift in the citizenship landscape... it makes me nervous. I hope the time flies! But I've got to say... I wish I had been lucky like the people who got the early court date, even though the just filed! Although, I am happy to save up all my luck for the final ruling, as well. :-) In bocca al lupo!
@@lisaventicinque25 yes..and now request to make an early date are starting due to thouse to skip the line.... My date is january 26th 2022...
@@natali1882 I'm exactly one week before you, on January 19th 2022. But I didn't file until 5 December 2019, so just a little before you did which is also not exactly fair for you. I keep telling myself it is all part of the training of being Italian, and having to live with some big irregularities and frustrations when it comes to civic administration...!
Would people who have already been recognized be then unrecognized if this were to gain traction?
Hallo
I was born in Italy, and now I am 19 years old.. I just stayed in Italy for one month then my family and I have stayed out Italy until now.
Is it anyway possible for me to get the Italian citizenship?
Without meeting the minimum residency requirements or unless one or both of your parents were citizens then I would assume no.
That's a shame she is coming for the decendants without any Knowledge about what our ascendants went through. For example, for our simple registration as Italian, we spend about 12 years to get ourselves registered here in Brazil. My grandpa was a very simple and humble person, he didn`t know about the laws. However, how he supposed to know about a life he could have in Italy, if he spent his life in a farm isolated from the information in a time without the Internet. Even though this situation, we still have lots of italian habits. She should get to know better about the italian comunities around the world before taking conclusions.
Thank you for the information and the sharing, with more information people will get benefited about our rights.
In fairness, I would argue that the politicians point of view is not completely tone deaf when considering the pandemic. Ireland is having this same issue. People can have citizenship of these countries and that’s fine, but now some are using this to enter the EU when they’re coming from potentially worse off countries (read USA) and this is upsetting people. In particular, it’s Americans who are upsetting people the most because there’s seemingly lower compliance with quarantine restrictions due to personal sense of entitlement and the idea of individual[ism] present in the culture. Take this from somebody with three passports- I’m not against it, but I understand some aspects of the opposition’s argument.
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Do you have a video that explains where to start to seek jure sanguinis? My mom's grandmother and grandfather were sicilian and came to america in 1909. I have spent 9 years living in Italy not all consecutively and think dual citizenship for me is long over due.
I'm a Third Generation Italian American, my grandparents were born in Italy and lived in Cortina Abruzzo. I'm currently hoping to gain dual citizenship because my wife and I would like to live in Italy. Because my Grandparents were born, and actually my grandmother on my father's side never left Italy( my Papa divorced her at some point before I was born), she died there. Does this mean, technically, that I am a citizen of Italy? It's all very confusing.....
M5S hasn't been winning many elections in Italy lately, though they are part of the coalition government along with the PD. I'm wondering about how likely it is that her opinion is going to shape any sort of policy. Is this really something to worry about? Or just noise?
I stumbled upon this video though I see it’s a couple years old now. I’m in the process of recognizing my Italian citizenship, with ICA. But I’m not up to speed on this topic in current Italian politics. Does it seem there is any real current political push to change this in the immediate future, in your opinion? Take care
Things seem to have gone the opposite direction since then and actually the current prime minister said before she came into office something along the lines (if I remember correctly)that she believes in Jure Sanguinis and the rights of Italians around the world
I dont know much but to clear things up due to my great grandfather being born in italy im able to be recognized as an italian citizen?
I’m 16 and I’m a 4th gen Italian, and I hope they don’t change the law so when I’m older I can apply for Jure Sanguinis
Nickolas Barboza it’s never a bad idea to talk to your parents about it and get all of the necessary info and even to get started gathering the docs
Rafael Di Furia what would be the best way for me to gather all the necessary documents that I need?
Nickolas Barboza I’d say check out the podcast that I’m part of on TH-cam.com/ItalianCitizenshipAssistance and start with the first episode, just about all of the info you could need is in the podcasts. Also the lawyer in the podcast does assist people though the process. If you and your parents see that you’d like help through the process he would definitely be the best person to contact, but of course it is possible to do DIY
Nickolas Barboza You can deposit the Domanda di cittadinanza when you are 18 old. Bevine ti prepare papers and documents
I saw the video of Elisa Ragusa on her bill (filed with the Chamber of Deputies? Well, we don't know ..) Anyway, it seems to me the classic ploy to grab the votes of right-wing voters: like "Italians first! "
In support of this bill, then, Elisa argues that too many "invent false ancestors" to obtain citizenship: in this case, however, the Prefect of the province of residence could easily revoke the citizenship, and that ends there. Then Elisa argues that with marriage anyone becomes an "Italian citizen immediately", um, not exactly: you have to wait 2 years if you live in Italy, and 3 if you live abroad. But what troubled me was the phrase "Yet, if this person could prove that he had a very distant Italian ancestor (emigrated after 1861), he could obtain citizenship 'iure sanguinis'; with all the related rights, such as that of voting. " And what about duties? To pay taxes? And a disastrous demographic situation with more than 23% of the population over 65?
Rather, they should take care of all adolescents born in Italy, but children of immigrants, who have to wait 18 years to obtain citizenship ...
I knew it would be only a matter of time before this issue would be raised.I would not want to see de jure sanguinis end. However,( and please don’t chop my head off!) for a variety of reasons, I would be in favor of generational limitations and both language and cultural requirements.
People born outside of Italy can have a love and knowledge of certain aspects of Italian culture, however it is not a substitute for being born and raised In Italy. How often despite de jure sanguinis and all the legal documentation such citizens , particularly if they lack language skills,, are still considered foreigners by many native born Italians.
I'm honestly sometimes surprised when I hear people want to move to Italy, but haven't even started to learn the language, or have no intention to. So that is a point.
But there are other examples too, obviously, where parents have raised their children bilingually and there has been a strong cultural association throughout their lives.
You should not take exceptions as the rule. My experience is that the majority of people wishing to live in Italy are very well intended to get the language and cultural skills, leave alone they are already entirely experts (as Rafael rightfully says) in all things Italian. I agree it doesn't replace the experience of being born and educated, but no country in this world is an island of blood or cultural purity.
Tom B there are certainly exceptions. However, if you check the comments you will frequently see questions such as, "Do you really need Italian to live and work in Italy?" "How important is Italian in daily life? " I am sure foreigners who wish to live in Italy actually have good intentions of learning the language and culture. However, most foreigners have no idea about the difficulties of the Italian bureaucracy and trying to navigate it without the language. Adjusting to a new culture, trying to find work, getting legal residency, setting up banking and the other requirements of daily living, and learning a new language at the same time is extremely difficult. Sometimes, you need more than good intentions, one has to be extremely practical and prepare well to face life 's challenges. All I can say is in bocca al lupo!
@@giovanniserafino1731 Yes, it's definitely important. I know when I was e.g. looking for property, enquiring about bank accounts, and similar 'everyday things', many of these places require you to speak Italian. It's not a given that everyone will (or will be comfortable) to speak in English.
sono d'accordo con te Giovanni!
What do you think of the likes of Robert De Niro getting Italian Citizenship?
Do you think a change in the law would affect those that already delivered their papers at the consulate but haven't received the confirmation yet?
At this point I’m not very concerned about it changing... however like with the update in 2018 when the rules changed for citizenship by naturalization, the changes did affect many people... but with this it’s completely an unknown and anything would be complete speculation
@@RafaelDiFuria I heard they were going to treat this law project on the parliament in september
Rafael Di Furia Hello Guys, im from Argentina. The law is not retroactive. So, you shouldnt worry about that.
@@Juanignition In theory. If the government tells the consulates to stop all applications excluded by the new law we are in el horno
May I have the link of the video you are speaking about?
I pinned the link to the first comment in the comments section and you should be able to find my post about it on Facebook there
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It sounds like it's going to be ten times harder now just to get a citizen ship. My great grandparents and grandpa would be registered in Italy ...
BRAVO 👏👏 yes I would love to learn so much more about Italy where my grandfather started out his life.
We just hired a lawyer in Rome to do ours.
I honestly can’t say I’m too concerned... at the moment, but of course better to get started sooner than later
@@Antreus best wishes and good luck!!!! I'm sending positive vibes your way!!! 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
@@RafaelDiFuria definitely sooner!!
If you listen to Nomad Capatilists view on this topic, the reason for talking about this subject is precisely because it affects practically no one. Therefore she is attacking a demographic that can be demonized for votes and are too small to fight back. They're an easy target.
Australian born with Italian grandfather whose English mother took him to England after his father died. Would love to reconnect.
Keep up the good work mate.
Thanks for your kind words and coming to check out this video!
I have to admit I often disagree with his views, however regarding this topic, I completely agree with the position that they are taking advantage of a portion of the population that you could in fact describe as a minority.
This woman has clearly never met an Italian-American in her life
Korinna Beckenbauer extremely clear
mimmi brontola so, to give somebody a right, it is ok to strip someone else’s right. So stupid. Btw, the majority of the countries in the EU have the ius sanguinis.
@@Bradamante68 to me it is not a right at all if somebody does not speak the language and/or has a parent with said nationality. As for jus sanguis and jus soli this is the situation in other EU states: the Italian situation for children born here of foreign nationals is one of the most limiting ones.
@@Bradamante68 Agree 100%
@@mimmiblu6138 I feel you are not consistent in the criteria you put - so in effect you are more accepting of (other) foreign nationals, who at one point came to Italy and then had children there, yet when it's someone with Italian background, they should be 50% Italian (or whatever generational limit).
Let us know if this gains any traction. After COVID, I fully intend to go to Italy and get my Italian citizenship recognized.
At this point I doubt it will
@@RafaelDiFuria That's good to hear. Italy has better things to worry about, as we all do!
Presumably youd agree that anyone with an English sounding name (eg smith) who also speaks English and is related to the pilgrims of the 17th century - they should be entitled to a British passport?
I don’t know anything about their system or their rules that govern citizenship so I don’t have enough info to have an “educated” opinion on how things are done, or should be done there...the rules that govern citizenship in Italy have existed since Roman times... furthermore having an Italian sounding name isn’t the thing which entitles a person to Italian Citizenship however can be an indication that there’s the possibility they may be eligible
As much as I would love to be an Italian citizen, I could never be as I don't have a drop of Italian blood in me. But I can do the next best thing and buy a house or apartment and stay the max months allowed per year.
@@vidgro4591 Yes.
@@vidgro4591 @vidgro People make that kind of reference as one of the ways to describe their ethnicity. I'm part Chinese so it's not unusual for me to say that I've got Chinese blood in me. I can go beyond that and say that Prince Harry has royal blood. Even my dog has a bloodline. It relates to a generation or a lineage.
I may have been born in America, but only because all of my grandparents immigrated through Ellis Island in the early 1920s or 1930s.
I'm an American with Italian paternal grandparents from Campobasso-Molise. Pre covid they were offering $600 a month for people to move there and start businesses.. I want to get the process started I have heard that
Nick Metta is great with immigration and jure sanguinis issues. He is at Studio Legale Metta. Rafael have you heard of this Law Firm? I have some basic Italian language skills as well as some Italian music repertoire under my belt. Verdi, Rossini, Puccini, etc. Maybe they will take pity on me if I sing for them :)
You are touching on a lot of points. difficult to comment on all. There are people legally with 4 or more citizenships in other countries and yet Italy has an odd system. You can not be bothered the way politicians and people talk in Italy. Prior to that law in 92 men who did not serve the military were taken from the airport to serve. Imagine you left Italy at twelve and made a visit around the age 18 to Italy and you arrive at the airport to return back to the other life you had only to be escorted out the airport to complete your military service. You were taken away from your life elsewhere. Some decided to become a citizen of the other country to avoid this problem however Italy prior to 92 if your father was Italian you had to serve so that idea of citizenship to avoid this problem went out the window. Some could not travel to visit their family without a load of documents. Then that law came in 92 that changed a lot. Ease on restrictions but now you had to prove you were Italian to begin with. Its not enough that you were born Italian and have ancestry anymore. You had to get the proper documents from your birth place. People were scrambling to get their citizenship back but consulates losing documents, pushing the date further away so that targets were not met. Italian one day and the next not. You prepare the documents for one family member but you do not get your own papers in the mail saying you are Italian again. You can always return for one year but why? With immediate ties like family in Italy you can not be Italian immediately by filling out some simple documents while someone of three generations or two generations born outside Italy have an an easier way than those born and raised. It is a good argument that she does point out. Its not easy looking for work without that passport. Only 2nd generation had to do an Italian test? I did not even know there was such a law. I am first generation born outside, i was more than happy to do the test at 22. I wonder what the new laws would state? How Italian must you be? What kind of attachment to the country is required? Do I qualify - all my immediate family members aunts, uncle and 1st cousins are in Italy. I probably have relatives in at least 10 cities with roots there. I am not close to my cousins, they have their own life, just curious to know if this qualifies in her eyes and the people she is reaching out too. We do not know what she is getting at. Does it hurt Italy an aging population who are looking for people to move there to have people of juri danguinis? I am concerned about her words. it seems she was just attacking people that have a special privilege which concerns me because she has no point. `perhaps she is attacking many Argentinians that use the Italian citizenship to get to Spain. However to counter this argument - If Italy was in better condition, perhaps people would have returned to Italy and work because its not like Italy does not need people, they do. People connecting with Italy through ancestry could provide something to Italy. You are definitely right that should just have talked about bigger issues. Too tired to continue writing - sorry if it does not make sense ...
Very interesting 🤔 I’m glad I have my Citizenship already. But my husbands is hung up somewhere... but what I need an answer to is a drivers license?? We are in our 60’s and have driven all our lives ... yet if I’m correct it is required that we attend a driving school in Italian and take the drivers test in Italian... or French or Portuguese or Spanish or Tagalog... but not English?
My wife is an Italian citizen by June Sanguinis for 4 years now, as is our daughter. I am also Italian but unable to obtain the needed proof. My grandparents had 200 acres of land in the Commune of Bardi, also as is my wife's familia. Until only a few years ago, the test was given in English. I assume that you are aware of the "hoops" needed to obtain a drivers license. When that is finished you have a probation period of 1 year and can't operate anything bigger than 499cc. You MUST get an Italian license if you remain for one year. I'm 71. We would have moved there 3 years ago if not for the drivers license thing. I feel that that the license hassle is unfair, especially since I have driven hundreds of miles all over Italy, as well as Europe. I don't need any more "unfairs" in my life. I feel your pain, my friend.
I couldn't agree more with you!
Thanks for coming to check out the video :)
Bravo, Rafael Di Furia!
Well said!! I agree with you 100%!
Hi Rafael! I've watched many of your videos for many years. I applied for "Jure Sanguinis" at the immigration office in Rome. I paid $250 Euros and they took my fingerprints. They told me they would mail me something in "a few weeks". It has been over a year. Meanwhile I paid America to renew my passport a quarter year ago! I just want to move back to Italy permanently.
Bravo Multi multi intelligent argument grazie grazie Mille ciao
Yeah this would be radical, I think all European countries go through citizenship by decent. Ireland did have birthright citizenship but was repealed. In America we have alot of problems that come along with Birthright citizenship nowadays.
RAFAEL!!!!😄😄😄. Hello from CT!!! Lemme say...🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️... seriously!!!??? Like you said why now?
Stay safe and healthy 🙏❤️💜🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🍝🍝😆
The timing of it really makes no sense and really feels like a waste of time to me.
And thank you, stay healthy over there in CT! 😁
@@RafaelDiFuria timing is everything!!...
Thank you 😊❤️ definitely will be healthy!
Hi I would love to know more about being a citizen of Italy
your mic isvery good i like the sound
Sono d’accordo con te. Evviva!
I grew up with Italian speaking home but was not allowed to learn it
Then go learn
Just imagine this polititions view comes to reality what the backlash will have on italy just from their own people from abroad. Italians are almost fed up with italian politics and this will just make them want to deny their heritage. Italians are the most proud immigrant group in america and lets not mess with that
I can also understand that the Italian passport is interesting because it gives direct acces to 187 countries (the US passpirt give direct access only 184 only) but most of all once one have the italuan passport can live innany of the other wuropean country so the Italian passport is a key to a new life in the EU...
And that's exactly the reason why so many want it. They could not care less about Italy.
187 vs 184 countries visa free is not a big difference... An Italian passport is a great thing for the diaspora in Latin America, that their original passport does not have visa free access to the US, Canada, Australia etc. The Italian passport is not even a huge upgrade against a Brazilian or Argentina passport, you maybe gain access to 4 or 5 you would want to travel to.
@@JamesSmith-qv9qo The question is not how many countries but is why not so many!!! The answer in my opinion is that the US passport do not give visa free access to as many countries because of the "bully ways" US often shows to the many it considers to be "inferior"! Most americans belive US to be the best place on earth and that there is nothing as good or better outside it... couriously most of those who thinks like that seems have never been outside the US in their life... that make those US citizens slave of their own country because when one has no interest in the outside world is just a slave with no chance to learn new things and improve!... This to say that it's not a matter of numbers, the fact is that US beliving to be the best in the universe often behave like a spoiled 15yo child that, every time he doesn't obtain what he wants starts to behaving nasty to others instead of trying to find a different way or even just accepting that other people could have different ideas on things and that's it... nothing else can be done! Everybody is the king of his own house one can't start a war every time a NO is recived as an answer! US often seems to be a child unable to take a NO for an answer! It's a matter of stop considering the rest of the world "inferiors" because this is annoying for many while others (the European countries for instance) consider this attitude just ridicolous, belive me that most of the world laugh when americans act as if they are the best ever ... "those blessed by god", well, maybe US is right because they are blessed by their own personal god which is not the same god of the rest of the world for those who believe there is one!!! To talk about how good US is just look at the "covid" situation... US is too proud to admit they are doing wrong! The first thing done has been starting the race for who will be the first creating a vaccine instead of learning from others that made a better job how to limit the virus ability to spread around. So the fact of the passport is just something to invite people to think about why those who believe to be the best are actually less trusted than others.
CandyBimatic I totally agree. People should definitely get out and travel more.
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TH-cam control the ads and they are generally tailored to a person's viewing habits and search habits. If there is an ad you don't like I believe there's an "i" icon on the screen that you can click and a menu will come up and you can click that and mark an ad which isn't relevant to you