We haven't seen a player like Nikola Jokić, CP3 wishlist includes Lakers, Damian Lillard | THE HERD
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- NBA Writer Dan Woike joins Colin Cowherd on The Herd ahead of Game 4 for the NBA Finals. The Miami Heat look to bounce back against the Denver Nuggets after Nikola Jokić's 32-point performance propelled them to a Game 3 win. Woike tells Colin that there's really no comparisons for The Joker, who's talent seems to be in a class of it's own. They also talk about the future of the Golden State Warriors, who seem to be in a state of rebuild, and the two decide whether this is still a championship team. Plus, now that he's being waived from the Phoenix Suns, Chris Paul reveals hopes of playing alongside LeBron James with the Los Angeles Lakers.
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He's just a Young Arvits Sabonis! why yall acting you've never seen this. yall sport dudes weird.
pre injury arvydas sabonis
Nikola Jokić The Joker
It’s always nice when someone who actually knows basketball appears on tv
Great guest!
I stoped watching the NBA back in 2018 and Jokić has brought me back.
Same. I've been watching basketball since 1968. He's an absolute unicorn without a comparison in history.
@@wyotriumphrider 🎉indeed. I’ve been watching since the mid 70’s. The 76ers Blazers was the first finals I remember. I remember the tape delay finals games.
Jokić is a unicorn of sorts. Although he is great, I think of how he would match up against the many great centers and bigs of the 80’s-90’s.
The one guy I compared him too early on was Joakim Noah. Obviously, Jokic is much better shooting. But Noah, was an above average ball handler, and passer from the center position. Noah, better defensively.
I enjoy watching great basketball players… doesn’t matter “race” athleticism, sIze… I like to see winning, team basketball.
The best players are able to translate their skill to the team game.
I also believe that Hakeem, had a wide skill set as well. He could handle, defend, shoot, pass well from the post. Using his tremendous skill to lift his teammates play.
Personally, I am happy that Jokić, Giannis, Luka (maybe) are at the forefront of the next wave of stars. Hopefully the NBA will take notice and re-emphasize the “I love this games campaign. I believe that grew the game before Lebron’s new player empowered game we have today. Fans rooted for the great teams and their unique skills more in the previous era’s.
I could go on and on with old school nostalgia. Lol.
I don’t compare eras, it’s useless because of the numerous changes in the game. But I do defend the older eras when speaking to the young generations because their have always been Uber athletic players, highly skilled players, etc … outside of the emphasis on the 3pt shot, the game hasn’t changed a lot ~ the lack of post play is a result~ but the core factors of winning basketball have been consistent. The best “team” wins.
Fans can debate who’s the “Goat” but it is a team game and individual accomplishments are great, but when accomplished in the manner Jokić gets it done, brings back the team aspect that wins.
Sidenote: the Warriors were known for their great shooting. But it was their teams game that won them championships.
Agreed
That year l start watching NBA again
Jokic is massively underated defensivly. I don't see him as a weakness in defence. It's tough to get passed him.
If he is were that good, how come he can’t defend himself?
He can't guard a parked car
It's not a huge weakness because he's a 7 footer that's still big and long. If he was a guard he would be a huge liability. He's a smart defender though so he's not like Michael Porter Jr.
agreed
Statistically he's a top 10 defender in the league. I feel like people focus on the rim protection, or lack thereof, and ignore everything else he does. I'd argue he defends very similar to Draymond Green, passing lane wizard, rebounds as well as anyone, boxes out and positions very well and is very hard to move in one on one situations.
He's that defender where the eye test when you remove a "traditional big" lens is very different than if you focus through that lens and the stats support that. Never been a stats are everything guy but if you look at all the advanced metrics on defense, everyone but Joker is the guys that everyone agrees are the elite defenders in the league and yet we want to throw them out entirely when it comes to Joker.
Never seen that guy, great guest. Clearly very knowledgeable and has a different perspective on the NBA to Colin and other guests
He is excellent
Arvydas Sabonis didn't play in the NBA until he was 30. Had he started in the NBA at 21 or 22, he would likely be considered one of the all-time greats
Who says?
@@giovannefuoriclasseplazaca9043 hoopers
@@giovannefuoriclasseplazaca9043 Anyone who saw him play before his knees, achilles, calves and every other part of his legs were done.
He's right up there with Len Bias in the "what if?" category of NBA history. He dominated against NBA players in the Olympics in the way back days.
@@giovannefuoriclasseplazaca9043 anyone who saw Arvydas play and more importantly, other players.
Yea wish we could've seen him in his prime against the best.
Jokic is the baller people thought Embid would be....ya dig. This team is stacked with skillsets.
People forget rebounds are a defensive stat even when they done on offense. 21 rebounds on 30 point triple double
Agreed
jokic does throw water polo type passes now that he mentioned it. that is a tough sport.
From a Nugget fan-awesome interview...Lakers beat writer is very knowledgable,fair,& reasonable...very insightful comments...on Jokic yes-but really all those topics.
Nikola Jokic plays outstanding team defense.
People only look at blocks/steals. Jokic really is underrated on defense
U all don't know what defense is, the team playing good defense doesnt mean jokic plays good defense lmao
@@byanasim1026 well check he defensive stats on contested shots,..plus, why do you think Miami resorts to 3s and not drive...they are scared of jokic
Being a HEAT fan in Colorado Springs finally joker is getting the praise that he so deserves. He needed this stage to show all the nay sayers what a talent he really is. The heat get Lillard and the east is ours for years.
lol you won’t get Lillard and the Heat are cooked
@@hakeemevans7778 and why not he has stated it eighter them or the nets
It’s risky but think kryie could be the answer
@@patrickmccaskill6238 kyre has always been a cry baby me first player you think jimmy butler is going to take one ounce of that attitude kyre is going to have to change his spots playing for the heat
@@hakeemevans7778heat are never cooked. league changes a lot year to year and they’ll always be in the hunt.
My point exactly!!! Please give Jokic his flowers
This guy is awesome
Appreciate Dan just calling out Colin on his b.s. Culture is only a vital thing IF you have the talent to implement it. Dont just change if you are popovich unless you got the talent to warant said change.
Now yo all are seeing the qualities of a GOAT in Jokic which were there right from the start of the regular season 3 years ago already.
Blocks and steals are not necessarily converted to points. It’s just a defensive stop, like a rebound.
But what if you steal a block?
2016 Lebron’s block on Iguadola , JR got the rebound……the rest is HISTORY 😍💕👏🏼
I’m loving these anolgies from Dan
Jokic is a once in a life time talent we get to watch. I hope the American Media does not chance him away early. God knows they have been trying. Even these guys talk more about LA the Nuggets. MOVE ON ALL READY.
Jokic will go down as top 10 all time
I haven't seen many Denver games until the finals and at first glance jokic looks to be a bit slow and a bit uncoordinated . Not a fluid athlete but when you look at the stats at the end of the game and how impressive they are you wonder if it's the same guy . He just has that mental sense about him . Like a great chess player having 10 moves ahead of his competition
When he’s running down the court that’s when you notice, he is not athletic, but everything else are very impressive!! 😎👏🏼
@@latinaforever4892 working as a electrician I had a boss say I was lackadaisical and slow . One day I was putting in lights in a warehouse on one side by myself . The other half they had 3 guys . I finished before them . I looked like I am going slow but I am methodical and efficient . The 3 man crew looked like they were running around with their heads cut off making allot of mistakes causing redos . Efficient and methodical wins the race as the turtle explains
Too many people have equated athleticism with being able to jump out of the gym or being physically explosive. Jokic is amazingly athletic, but it shows in his passing ability, his footwork, and his body control in the post. That spinarooni move he does to the rim is quick and lethal, and makes the guy defending him look totally helpless.
Yes you've seen jokic before. It's called Arvydas Sabonis
Jokic clears
Jokic is a much better ball handler and much better passer. Also a much better shooter. Also he has much better footwork. Sabonis is over rated. he was just a big Valde.
@@JimBrave-ri1oc while he was in the NBA yes. However, when he was overseas, everyone praised him for the exact thing jokic is. Even in the NBA analyst touted AS and what he would have done had he came to the league at 25 instead of 31, but still marveled at what he did.
Remember that a month ago, it was racist to vote for Jokic?
This analyst is very very very goood!
3:35 Colin:People say Jokic is not good defensively...
No Colin,YOU SAD that 🦧
Jokic is clearly in a class all his own!!!!!!!!!!!
Jokic doesn’t play aggressive D in the regular season because refs tend to over call fouls on him because of his style of play. He knows as long as he is on the court in the last 10 minutes, they can win every game. So he has to avoid the foul calls. It’s intentional. It’s his strategy. When the playoffs come, fewer fouls are called and the refereeing is generally less unfair to him so he becomes more aggressive.
Jokic is big 3 on his own, and than you add Murray and the rest of the team...
Very Good - but - different then the past!!!
Carl Lowry has a great seasoning salt product
Call me boring but jokic game is fun af to watch as a hooper
He's the most exciting played in the leaugue. People who say otherwise don't truly like basketball the way it is meant to be played, they just like to see illiterate morons jumping high.
Anyone that says boring doesn't know true basketball , more or less are born post 2k. They are used to watching curry running around screens shoot 17 3s a game. Real basketball is spurs 2014, and this Denver team 👍
Bro how you giving the blazers Scoot like the hornets don't pick before them
Milwaukee should go all out for Dame . Js
the reason our minds are so blown by Jokic in America is we always funnel our best big athletes into football and basketball (small guys generally do non contact sports where their size wont be a disadvantage or a sport where its divided into sizes like wrestling or boxing) so every time a good basketball prospect comes along he also happens to be a physical freak. Guys who are 15 years old 6'6" tall with 45 inch verticals. We overvalue natural physical ability...running fast and jumping high. Ive been watching highlights of Zion Williamsons dunks since he was like 14 but never heard whether he even had a jumper. A ton of guards have come into the league jumping out of the gym and running baseline to baseline in 5 seconds but we have to wait 3-4 years for them to develop a jump shot...the most basic way to score in basketball and something they should have been practicing for 10-15 years already. derrick rose john wall ja morant etc. Jokic is the opposite. instead of having all this talent and never working on actual basketball skills because youve always been the biggest strongest fastest like too many american players, jokic had very little natural talent aside from just being tall so he had to over develop his skills to compete. A little bit like steph curry saying he worked on his shot because he was always small and thin and couldnt get close to the basket. alot of euro guys are like this and alot of americans kinda look down on the "soft euro guy" but it just goes back to us overvaluing big strong fast muscle guy who does 360 windmill dunks.
You could make the culture argument for the Warriors because they were terrible when Steph and Klay was injured.
“Not enough championships”
Warriors: 4
Heat: 4 (over 17 years)
the kids DO NOT say " Unlimited bag" haha
Damian Lillard To The Miami Heat Is A Win-Win For EveryBody Involved!!!!!!Chris Paul To The Lakers Is Almost A No Brainer Honestly!!
As a Bulls fan, this dude Dan Woike looks like a young Jerry Krause to me.......
Jokic is like Cell, basically (from DBZ)
Jokic plays like every guy over 45 at the YMCA.
Not quite. He's a much better passer than most everyone. Also he can rebound and lead the Fast break.
we haven't seen exactly like Jokic but there was Hakeem, Bird, Yao Ming, Magic, Arvidas Sabonis, Pippen, dr j..
We have. His name is Magic.
Jokic is bigger and a better scorer
Jokic no doubt. Murray no doubt. The Nuggets X factor is Aaron Gordon.
Phris Caul.
It will be great to see Chris Paul join the LA Sparks
Is it just me or should this guy play Jerry Krause when they make a movie …looks just like the old Bulls GM!!!
Why would the Blazers trade Dame to the Heat unless Bam was involved?
Lary Bird and Sabonis is ja Jokic type of players
Cp3 with the lakers wiuld be so fresking dumb for him ring wise
Jimmy gone have to learn how to shoot 3’s till den he not gone be able to get it done he to one Dimensional he either shooting midrange or a free throw
Was your guest, unsure??
He runs the break like Magic?😂
If he wants to win, CP3 should go to Milwaukee
Cp3 doesn't want to win.
Let see - Who wins tonight(06/09/2023) - The Miami Heat or The Denver, Colorado Nuggets - It all on Jimmy Butler & Bam Adebayo & The three ball & The intense defense ( this could be a “Big Win” or a “Big Loss - In the 4th game of this series
Nuggets won
Kareem
Demarcus Cousins
The Spurs winning seems to be less about culture and more about Tim Duncan, since they haven't done any since he retired.
oh brother give me an effin break. where was this energy only a few weeks ago when they forgot who Jokic was and bandwagoned over Embiid?
Dude sound like Joe Rogan
Colin once again trying to PUSH guys where HE wants them to be.. 😎 Dame will go where he feels best suited for his talents. And btw Colin in as much as detest the Nets, don’t overlook them being able to acquire Dame as well. They’ve definitely got more assets and draft capital than the Heat. Just sayin.. 😉
Dame said that will be good to play with LeBron
Who cares 🤡
LeBron wants another person on the Lakers roster he can trust to be a dawg. That's the value of Chris Paul. Add CP3's leadership abilities and influence on the younger players, ball handling and mid-range game, I feel he's a steal at a 5 million dollar salary. I'd do that all day for 50+ game from CP3. 14 pts and 9 assists at age 37/38. Not bad.
Larry bird if he were a big giant octopus is the best describer of jokic ever.
He is just an inch taller Larry Bird. End of discussion.
The Jerry Kraus' rebuild didn't last a decade. It's still going on.
if you were to go back to the 1920's and give someone an iphone, the phone wouldn't work. You would have to bring the person from the '20s to 2023 in order to explain and demonstrate what it does. but i understand his point.
This just in .... Kendric Perkins awarded the Most Valuable Analyst award for the 2022-2023 season.
He beat season long favorite J.J. Reddic after bringing to light that the previous 72 winners were all white.
Let's just be honest; Jokic is the GYT hope. This is at the root of a lot of the recent Lebron hate.
That no defence thing is old..Jokić knows plays he stripped zillion balls he is leader in kickball interveption..he is almost alwys on position..ofc like any other big except few malone olajuwon ,he is easy to be left in dust..bit one sure thing he is nit blocker above rim..even if he got few game saving blocks ..so probably 7,8/10 which with offencive power is enough
Bro repeated the same points 5 times
Bye Bye - the game will be great 👍🏾
Where ya going ?
The warriors just won a chip two seasons ago. People need to calm down
Giannis: 2 mvp, 1 ring, 1 fmvp, 1 dpoy
Jokic: 2 mvp, 1 ring , 1 fmvp, 0 dpoy
2024 bucks vs nuggets ?
Heat are not getting Dame Lillard not giving up Bam or Jimmy Butler just stop it!
Joker 1 of the illest ever!
The only way the Heat can get Lilliard is if they trade away Tyler Herro and Bam Adebayo. Lilliard is a SUPER MAX player making over $50 million a year. with the new CBA agreement which is similar to a hard cap for the NBA, there is no way that Portland will trade for picks. Miami would have to gut their bench just to get him and Dame Lillard is getting really OLD now.
Colin cowherd convincingly wrong about CP three on the Lakers. Lakers have an opportunity to resign everyone including D’Angelo Russell if they can get Chris Paul at the minimum. Then it’s obvious that Delo can be traded for pieces you need to make a run at the title at the deadline next year.
While I don't for a second dismiss Jokic's greatness as a player (he appears to be one of the goat centers) basketball is all about matchups.
The Heat are a terrible matchup with the Nuggets due to their comical lack of size which in turn is allowing Jokic to have his way.
I wonder how this series would look against a healthy Joel Embid and the Sixers. Jokic would be tested defensively which is not happening right now against the Heat.
Having to play real defense against an elite center who matches your own size and strength can lead to many things (potential foul trouble, fatigue on offense etc.).
A healthy Embiid in the nba finals? When pigs fly
Well if embiid was good there would be in the finals.
everyone sees embiids weakness. Just shove him down once, then he goes crying to his coach rivers and quits.
Jokic made a pass with his wiener for an assist. Unbelievable!
I saw that! Crazy 🤷♀️
jokic is a big larry bird 😊
I've listened to Curry get compared to Jordan.
I've listed Lebron get compared to Jordan and Kobe.
But I'll ignore that. Lebron's comparison to Magic or Kobe to Jordan is where I'll stay.
Even with the apparent similarities, each comparison is different.
So along with slight differences, you're telling me that no one compares to Jokic? Ever?
Marc Gasol, Paul Gasol, Arvydas Sabonis, Vlade Divac, Bill Walton, and Dirk, to name a few.
Yes, Jokic is on the verge of becoming a "once in a life time" unique, but after one ring?
Also, let's not act like Murray isn't the most overlooked and underrated point guard ever!
If Jokic doesn't get a ring, they will act like he was Michael Ruffin.
Prisoners of the moment, aka retrospective journalism.
Lazy mf.
He said kobe efficiency
People dont feel like thst we dont see what the media sees. Thats why you guys are having a hard time selling your next Bird.😒
I love Jokic but am turning this off now that dude said he runs the fast break like Magic Johnson.
Jokic is the best Open court passer We've ever seen in the NBA. He is a quick C and in the middle of the floor on the open court in a fast break he is the best We have ever seen in the NBA. He's the best passer in NBA history. He does it in the middle of the floor on the fast break just aswell.
@@JimBrave-ri1oc Are you like 25 years old?
@@larrylove6903 I'm Infinity Years Old.
@@larrylove6903 Do you think you can out run Jokic in a 400 Yard Race?
@@JimBrave-ri1oc I think 28 year old Magic Johnson can
No center is going to guard a Steph Curry for a entire game.
Nikola Jokic is a very good player in the NBA
D Lo for J Lo?
I’d love to see Dame with the Knicks.
I don’t think Dame would love it. He’d probably rather go to Rikers.
He is better than bird
It's about time for Perkins to apologize to Jokic and white people
I hate this set. Why make the guests sit so much lower than the hosts. It feels really weird. Like it's a conversation between two announcers and a guy in his living room.
He's just a Young Arvits Sabonis! why yall acting you've never seen this. yall sport dudes weird.
Yep, he’s just like Sabonis and Magic and Curry combined
Hey Carl, if Trump ain’t available for presidential duties you got your big break 🍔
@@myhumps2730
Q & A - This is a Question everybody wants to ask - Is Nikola Jokic aka the Joker, being criticized harder because - He doesn’t play like the Larger Demographic ( Meaning Players ) in the NBA - Media and Announcers and Podcast Rookies like “USING” synonyms/sin-onyms - So I thought it be ok!!!
Is that even English? What’s your question in normal words?
I would love to see CP3 join the Lakers. This move would end Lebron's dream of winning another title and end the stupid GOAT debate once and for all, which should be dead and bury by now except there are some bull headed Lebron fan girls out there who refuse to just let it go. Imagine the injury prone, top heavy, old aged Lakers adding another old injury prone high waged "star" to their line up. Just can't ask for a better formula to fail. For this trade to work, Laker would have to give up all their remaining assets and leave them dry, dead and buried in quicksand lol
LBJ was not positionless. He played the 3 early in his career and the 4 late in his career.
Pippen could guard 1, 2, 3, and 4s. But he was still a 3.
Lebron legit could guard 1-5 in Miami. He struggled a little with good bigs but he was amazing
Lebron has had one season at every position for a majority. Pos 1 in 2020, pos 2 entering league , 3/4 most the time . Pos 5 last year of Vogel n Russ cos lack of spacing
@@maryannguss9029 simply not true by the numbers. He rarely guarded 1s and 5s.
MJ occasionally guarded Malone in the finals. That did not make him a 4.
@@khalxd1991 also not true. He has always been a point forward like Magic or Pippen.
Juice James 💉 isn't even in this latitude 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nobody was able to guard d rose, no not even Lebron, Lebron is not guarding a center either, nobody ever has been able to guard all five positions, it’s a media narrative, they use that’s complete nonsense.
This mission is impossible ( please delete in 10 seconds )
Fundamentally Sound but Not Quite the norm - anything - So called new is criticized hard - even by his peers!!! 😢
Jokic will go down as one of the smartest NBA players we’ve ever seen. He has his “weaknesses” but he’s able to completely shadows them with how unbelievable he is on offence. Not very many players I watch, make me shake my head and say “How on earth would my team stop this guy?” This postseason run has opened so many peoples eyes and it’s better late than never.
There’s a dynasty brewing in Denver…. With the Joker leading the charge
You said his balls were attached to his hands? Thanks unusual.
I didn’t know that