10X Developers Never Get Promoted 😢
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I'm a developer for 30+ years and my first love is coding. The last thing I want to do is get promoted into people management. As long as your pay is kept inline as if promoted then I don't see the problem. If the company doesn't want to compensate you then walk. I have my own company and contract to companies. The money issue goes away, charge the going rate and you will find you earn more and have the freedom to move and not feel you owe the company loyalty!
What do you think a person a like me should do to enter the IT world. I will be graduated from 2 boot camps in November. I choose to do boot camps because college is way too long and too theoretic. I drop out of my college in france at sorbonne and I then done that path. Do you think with determination and some advice I could be a junior developer ? Or should I more focus on others path ? Thank you. Alex
@@alexpanta7342 Create projects that you can showcase and learn from
@@alexpanta7342 I recommend you start out in a company as you are at the entry point of your career. The choice you need to make is do you work for a company developing a product or do you work for a company with an internal IT shop developing their own software. Both have pros and cons. Once you start gaining experience you can then think about starting your own company and go contracting. I hope this helps 🙂
@@alexpanta7342 Depends on 2 things:
1. where you want to work. Some corporations have strict rules and only hire university graduates, no matter how good they might otherwise be. I've seen it first hand when we were hiring. We interviewed a few and the only good guy we wanted on our team was the 1 candidate with incomplete university degree. HR said they can't allow it, company policy. To get him would require a special procedure requiring a chain of sign-offs up the corporate ladder. We even managed to get like 2 or 3, but the top dog (vice-president level) refused to sign it.
2. are you cut out to be dev. Many bootcamps sell pipedreams to lazy people. While IT 4-year university program is indeed only 1/2 full of practical things, it does act as a weed filter. Not a perfect one though. I know a few who have a comp sci degree, and are still not cut out for dev work. They usually end up as project managers, or people managers, and the IT degree is their ticket. They suffer 2 or 3 years as a dev, but get advanced to the PM job and are happy afterwards. Excels and conferences and emails - IT world needs such people too.
The old cliche is, "if you can't be replaced , you can't be promoted...."
Everyone is replaceable.
Every employee is replaceable.
@emilyau8023 Of course genius, but that just refers to someone painful to replace, so much that the company would rather not do it unless there is some kind of special situation involved. Basically the last candidate to be replaced from the whole firm.
I don't want a promotion to manager, I want proportional compensation to my skills.
Doesn't happen because "for that role we are prepared to offer this much"...
@@withmarko Well, then we can try to push that irreplaceable status a little bit, let's see what is good for since so far it seemed to be a detriment.
In the situation you presented of the the manager having a more replaceable skillset than the 10x engineer, I will settle for at least more compensation than the manager's position 😏
That's why 10x developers would actively find another company that would pay them higher. And if there current company values them, then they would counter -offeeeer that.
Outstanding observations!
As someone who spent 25 years as a developer, moved into management for 6 years and then moved back to being a developer again I can vouch for the accuracy.
Maybe it's a bit specific to where I live (Poland, here the devs have the good life. We don't send out 100 CVs to get a job at a company, it's the companies that send out their headhunters with 10 offers to us before we kindly accept one). I heard of a story of this one guy at a company I worked at, an extreme genius who solved all the problems, a critical employee. So critical, that when managers and directors were meeting, they would insist, and humbly wait for him to show up to them late. So critical, that when his manager got in a feud with him and wanted to fire him, their manager fired his manager instead to keep him around.
When you're this good, why would you ever want to become a manager? Life as a 10x dev is much sweeter, and so is the paycheck (over here it's common for devs to make more bucks than their managers. Only mediocre devs are interested in becoming managers over here).
i've heard this point before, i saw a post or smth with the point that "If you do three peoples job, they're gonna have to hire 3 people to promote you", and it's true. although you want to do your best work for your company since you feel it's the honest road. you end up locking yourself in a position, everyone should need to learn to reject work beyond your responsibility, because it can be the reason you don't get promoted.
That's so true. The 10x developpers can't be promoted in a managerial role because there will be a large loss in productivity and a 10x dev like doing dev things. It's more usual to change work place where the paid is higher in this case and if the company want to keep you they need to increase that salary. But a management role can be a real good experience with opportunities to learn more
You are absolutely right in every word you said. Extroverts and social people got promoted, not the best experts
These videos are so useful, especially for a HS student as myself interested in becoming a developer in the near future. Thanks to you Marko, I've been able to see both sides of the coin & I'm even more passionate about proceeding into the field. I know it may not mean much but you're truly my role model so please never stop uploading!
I have been a software developer for almost 10 years, and considering all the companies I have worked for and my experiences, I can't find arguments to disagree with you. As always, great video!
This is actually pretty refreshing to hear and can be applied to many fields of work, not just developers. Keep up the good work!
A little side note. I was actually checking out that keyboard link you have in description. It seems that it's almost the same as you do, but the Enter key is different. You have the "regular, large one" (which I like way more) but the one in the link has the smaller one. Just making sure if it's actually the same keyboard or some new version of it?
A lot of this advice also carries over to other fields. Nice video!
I was a 10x engineer and before joining the company, I was a consultant as system architect. I can proudly say smartphone is architected today because of my direct contribution in system architecture and power management. During a performance review, the sr. director said they would just hire 20-50x people to replace me regardless of my impact. I left the team and joined corporate strategy. Fast forward 5 years, 80% of that department were laid-off due to strategy. The work and automation were implemented in the architecture and process, that after 3-5 iterations, additional investment would become diminishing returns. I didn't work for money (since I came from poverty). I just wanted to contribute to technology advancement and society. But I get those people who were impacted might never come back to engineering.
This is way too relatable...how do you deal with the annoyance at seeing this happen?
Leave.
Love these Video soo much Marko, you are doing a Great JOB!
That's my current problem. I'm shifting my career goals away from the fancy senior title towards a group or project lead position. Having worked with so many super smart engineers who are stuck (and often happy) in their current position, I'm a bit afraid to kinda dig my own grave with better programming skills and knowledge.
The last thing a company should do is promote their best engineers into leadership. They lose a great engineer they cant replace and gain bad leader without vision that are a dime a dousin. Great engineers that are good leaders and visionaries are not at your company. They generally run their own companies. If their best engineers start leaving they should increase their salaries, not their roles. Thats what good engineers want anyway.
This happens when every good developer wants to be an irreplaceable unicorn for its project. I personally do not held any domain or role specific knowledge only for myself, I document every single piece of knowledge which will be needed by anybody coming into my role after me. This helped me a lot in moving up in my 10+ years in IT, from devops engineer, through junior/medior/senior web developer and now lead engineer for a completely new project which is one of the key parts of IT for my employer.
I've met few 10x developers and I can see some pattern, but I think it's not that black and white. Between those few I know one, who wanted to be and didn't get promoted, started to hopping companies and in pretty short timespan landed position as CTO. So being promoted with that kind of quality at the same company seems nearly impossible, I think it's possible to reach management position elsewhere.
I wonder, if 10x is coding, 1x is in management, on what position would 0x developer end up? 🤔
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Awesome Video mate! Hello from Australia! Learning Full Stack Development, cannot wait to have this as a full time job!! Where did you get that green desk clock from?? Looks awesome!
Just work 1 hour a day in 10 jobs. There 10X developers shine.
Fair play 😃
my contract explicitly states that I can't work at other companies, or as a freelancer for the duration of my employment
this is so true honestly
Oh wow! I love this topic already. And I’ve seen this as well.
Yeah, I heard this one too many times, so I felt like it was time to make a video about it 🤨 Glad you like tho 😃
can u advice me which is better front end or back end . i can't choose which i learn
Thats why job hopping is so common in tech. Thats the only way to get a promotion if you are good at your job
Thanks for sharing another video, Marko! Cheers from Brazil!
Hey thanks Eduardo!! 🇧🇷
This is not the video we wanted, but the video we needed
Haha 😄
how the hell keyboard, monitor, laptop clean all the time!!! my laptop catches dust all the time, tired of cleaning but something gets left behind always
I think you made great points, but you might have overlooked that finding new jobs is the best way of getting pay raises/role changes, you mentioned the 1x developer failing forward, but the 10x should also be searching for those leader ship roles, if that's what they want.
The last part of the video sounds like it was *specifically* tailored after someone 😅😅😅
That's why in good companies 10x developers get much more then executives.
Marko is becoming the Dilbert of IT Universe
Hey, I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right. 😂
Hey when did you started using so many expletives in your videos?
as a 24 y/o software engineer with 2 years of experience, I find the topic of this video priceless, It will definitely make use of this knowledge throughout my career. Thanks.
Its sad how true this is... Plus even if someone who can change this see this, he's not gonna do anything.
Do you want to go into management?
If yes, then talk to your superiors and make it clear. Check what you need to make it so.
If not, then talk to your superiors and check how to grow and "get promoted" while still doing what you want (eg: coding).
Catch: should they ignore you, then -panic- throw and start looking for a better place.
Man, and I'm here studying engineering and thinking of getting a tech job and getting promoted after 2-3 years 😆
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great video as always Marko !
After working hard for years, I've got to be the (only) 10x developer in the company. And all I got is just more and more complicated and tedious jobs, no raises no promotions no nothing!
And the 1x's even get paid better!
Planning on leaving. Maybe I should and will try to be one of them 1x's next time?
This is both hilarious and sad at the same time
Yeah, I’ve been hearing this story for a long time from many people, so decided to make a little satire on that 😂
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I think you’ll have to become bit less introverted if you want a role promotion. Most promotions mean more interaction with people, even if that is a tech management / architecting.
On the other hand, I cant quite see why a company with a decent management won’t pay extra to the 10x dev even if that doesnt imply a role promotion.
You still have to be visible though. If thats only your one direct boss/teamlead who knows that it’ll take 5 new devs and 5 other months to replace you; and for everyone above your contribution is just your team’s contribution - then you’ll probably wont get that much of a payment increase
tldr; promotion = performance x visibility. If either part is slim to none - promotion chances are too
Nice video as always Marko!
Its funny how people think that promoted to managing roles gets better pay. You could be the 10xlead developer for rest of your life but get better pay than any of the managers in the company.
what is a brownbag session?
Please upload more office vlog
I hate corporate bullshiz
Great take on a known issue.
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Hey can some one give tips what project to do?
iam Python data analyst programmer
Are you coding that backend from one of last videos?
Hey yes, I'm testing out go for the backend 😃
Bro this is a 1 to 1 description of our TL 😂
Holy cr*p, this is exactly how it works in large corporations....Accenture *ehem.
Haha, sadly yes 😄
be both. Be a sociable 10x engineer.
At this moment, he realised, he fucked up!
Just use Vim as your keybind every where.
is this the reason to why we find individuals with little experience leading a team?
Yep often it's something along these lines. Right place, right time, but under-qualified.
Marko, I think you did this video for me. You said it all. I have been a victim.
Oooofff... There some salt in this video LOL
A bit 😆
dirty truth... how to be a developer with a good wage 😄
as always I really love your motivational videos, cuz they realy show how things are done in IT industry
This is why it’s better to work as a freelancer. Need a promotion? Up your skills & change market.
I am currently learning coding and I will never work for someone on a salary that is total bullshit! Better be a hungry lion than a fat sheep!
Marko are you looking towards to being promoted to leadership yourself?
why am i angry now!
How long have you been a manager?
I haven't in a corporation, only in my own company for a short time 😃
It's the end yes. This, or age 45.
Haha 😄
The 10x will leave
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@@withmarko I'm very happy that you answered me, Thanks ❤
Damm bro u made me ponder :(
I hope it helps you navigate things in the end 😃
Maybe they’re spending too much time filming panning shots of their desks, window views and cups of coffee.
I never was a 10x dev, this video is not about me. 😄 It's mostly my observation that people who are slightly introverted and actually put themselves out there to solve the hardest problems get sidelined and have people managing them who are not half as good as they are.
I’m that 1x guy but work from home
bs. such devs become stuff/principal and usually are above the level of usual EMs
True, but many companies don’t have the “staff/principal” roles. They have the dev team and then the “leadership”
Why don't you increase the 10x developer's pay? And maybe hire someone else to be the manager?
Enjoy your job if you can. and fail forward lol.
You have the same keyboard as me xD !
Hey yes 😃
In short, to get promoted, you have to shown what you muuch hate in general terms. Talk a lot, do nothing but give others to work and make your self noticeable and visible all the time.
Be stupid……. Be smart own other
10/10🤐true
nice vidéo
is it worth it to study software engineering? Incoming freshman here.
Hey imho it's totally worth it. The ability to make something from nothing is very valuable regardless of any other factor.
Depends on what you imagine "studying software engineering" is.
If you expect to learn software engineering from a university/college, then you are going to fail.
Universities and Colleges are only going to teach you the basics of the basics (and math, but lets be honest, you will only need math in Graphics/AI/Financial areas)
I cannot stress enough how many "programmers" that only know one thing exist, and that is because they just never became programmers, they only learnt to use specific tools.
You need to explore this on your own, and for that it has to be interesting to you.
If your only goal is making money, then you need to be in the right place, at the right time.
Otherwise, you need to make programming your hobby.
So in order to answer your question, you need to actually do it.
"Fuck around to find out" as the saying goes.
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This take is a bit funny. Comparison is the thief of all happiness. Know what you want and do the work to get there. Congratulate others when they have successes. The "why not me" approach is an awful way to build a career and relationships.
Marko, are you Java developer?
he writes java at work yes
Yep 👍 😃
with all te respect, you need to appriciate more the "web development" area, because yes, you have that site but that site almost everyone with some tutorial can make, and just looking at it, it has a lot of errors and just starting with the responsive side. that is just awful.
I got that it's your sponsor and all that, but don't even compare a good (even decent) web developer to that "website maker" you use.
And for the record i'm not a hater, I enjoy watching your videos but with you beeing a good software developer having those toughts about web development area it's not fair
Hey that's a fair point, handmade website is always going to be superior, no question about it. But if web is not your main thing, it's just more convenient to use for a simple website like mine.
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How on earth are you finding people that are 10x smarter? Seems like an arbitrary measurement not based in reality. 10x more knowledgeable maybe.
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