I am a longtime Alabama fan and also graduate of the University. Having said that , I could not agree more with this commentary. I hated losing that Michigan game but what Joel said about this Michigan team was spot on and they all got to hold up a National Championship trophy because of it.
From a Wolverine graduate (‘97), I applaud your comment. I notice the real fans and alumni have been nothing but class acts since the Rose Bowl ended. The mark of a true championship attitude. Good luck with the new coach this year and hey, I’ll say it…. Roll Tide!! PS I’m rooting for y’all in basketball this year!!
Harbaugh always said he didn’t recruit for talent alone, he recruited players who loved football. that kind of player will work harder, will show up sooner, and complain less
@@Dustomatic Sarkesian's favorite word is "culture". He said that in recruiting, he talks to other kids, trainers, teachers, janitors, etc. to see what kind of person the recruit is. In talking with the recruit, he likes to see if they watch games in their spare time, play other sports, etc.
What worse than Alabama players being called selfish by their coach is that the University of Michigan is caught in the worst cheating scandal in the history of college football and no one. Not Joel nor espn nor any person that really mattered stepped up to ever call them out for their transgressions. They are simply just called a great dedicated group of honorable teammates. Gimme a break. It’s not just football. Our entire society is a lawless mess.
"Talented teams win. Devoted teams win Championships and devotion and talent are two very different things." OMG, that statement sums up what it takes to be a champion in such a concise manner, it's nearly unbelievable. Well done, Mr. Klatt. Well done.
*Yup......God help us if this generation gets called up to fight WWIII.* Saban's sick of the bullsh!t. The problem here is that Joel Klatt thinks NIL is OK, as long as there's a contract to hand to the perpetually, entitled punks who are demanding to get wealthy playing with a ball on Saturday's, because a free education isn't enough. So, Klatt isn't even remotely addressing the real problem here which as far as Saban's comments go, are just as glaring. *Contract or not, it is **-virtually-** LITERALLY impossible to get "devotion" with that level of entitlement.*
Assuming they weren't devoted. Saban didn't say they came up to him and talked about money or transferring before the loss. They allegedly did that after the game was over, when they should have. They have agency, power and choice now. The same thing Saban had all those decades when he could demand a higher salary or do what he did, change schools. Saban is frustrated that now coaches like him have lost a lot of the leverage that they used for decades to control these players in order to make, what nine figures for himself? While some of those great players he recruited agonized on the bench or got injured and let go, with nothing to show for it, but they were "loyal" and "devoted."
i love herb brooks the 1980 usa hockey team best quote ( the name on the front of that shirt is more important than the name on the back of your shirt ) TEAM!!
I live in Alabama and the sentiment surrounding the Michigan game was dominance. The tide and its fans just knew they were gonna destroy Big Blue and yet the moment the game kicked off you could feel that it was going to be a real challenge. A challenge that they may not have expected and as the game went on you could see frustration on one side and momentum and belief on the other. 9 out of 10 games the tide played they beat there opponents before they ever stepped off the bus. Mentally the opponent never really believed in each other enough to win for 4 quarters and that gave them just enough to have that edge in close games but Michigan refused to give in and that’s what it takes to beat them consistently because they are so superior athletically. Great stuff and fascinating
I don;t think the talent gap between Michigan and Alabama was as much as Klatt alludes to. Michigan was older and more experienced. One could argue that the difference between the two teams was so small that the game was decided by a poor performance by Alabama's center in snapping the ball.
As a lifelong Michigan fan I truly believe this is the same reason Jim Harbaugh was so persistent on going back to the NFL. A great example Jim couldn't buy a round of cheeseburgers for recruits without a investigation but recruits are allowed to pull up in a $500,000 Lambo before signing a letter of intent.
You're going to find out here really quick how horrifically wring you really are. Corruption, organized Crimes, and cheatingbon unprecedented scale. Syalluins was a code breaker..he needed detail video of signs to own ot..and own all the backup signs which teams has 3 sets. NCAA said point blank to BIG as they went to court vs UM. " This is the single greatest and repulsive organized criminal activity in USA Sports history." Direct from court filings. On the tecord..Michigan is dead
As a Bama fan, I agree with everything you said. I saw this coming as soon as NIL was approved. The days of traditional college football are over. It's a new age...
@DukeofFrat the playing field is leveled. The games will be the same year in and year out. Saban thought he was going to be able to pay players under the table and thats out now.
So what I get from this is Saban was excited to run it back this yr, but was alarmed at how many players only cared about themselves and not about the team.
Yep it's crazy how much the player passion has changed for the years. Literally a few years ago, you had bench players jumping in excitement when a teammate made plays, now many of the players are just more concerned about themselves (not every player).
I agree they played as a team but there will always be the issue that they cheated in the process. NOT SAYING IT IS WHY THEY WON IT ALL. It is just a fact that they cheated.
And ohio state and the SEC have been buying players for decades, and explain exactly how they cheated against alabama ,washington and ohio@@dustindavis5397
@dustindavis5397 Ask yourself, why is it when Michigan breaks a rule Ohio State fans label it as "cheating" but when other teams do, all we hear about are "rules violations". If you want to call Michigan cheaters, fine, but at least he consistent and say the same when other teams are accused of breaking the rules.
@@Jon.A.Scholt i am a buckeye fan and i can only be accountable for my actions ,if michigan is found guilty with evidence of cheating than it is cheating but that time has not come yet ,but like i said michigan played like a team and they deserved the natty this past year
Yeah. How dare players think about themselves first. Coaches never think about themselves first ( Saban leaving MSU for better opportunity to LSU. Saban leaving LSU for Miami. Saban leaving Miami for Bama. Quite sure his departure from each organization was in the best interest of the Team.).
Empirically incorrect. It's apples to oranges comparing a grown man moving from one coaching position to another and a 18 year old kid who now just wants cash with no plans for developing his future.
This was what happened with the Caleb Downs kid. Alabama offered him a certain amount. He came back and wanted more than they agreed on. Alabama refused to pay more, OSU offered the amount he wanted, Downs left. (OSU did the same thing with the problematic back from Ole Miss) This was known around campus. The big news didn't want to talk about it because they felt it smeared Downs. I don't think it smears Downs. I think it just shows what the sport is now. It needs to be talked about.
@@diggingmystyle I played 16 years of football. Every school who has competed for a title in the last 20 years had a bag man. Many other players will tell you that too. This whole 'Alabama was the only one doing it!' is a meme.
@@jasonbugs2877 no doubt other top schools were doing it, the point is that he just did it best and that was his differentiator. Now that he doesn't have that he has to actually coach and build culture so he bails while throwing his current players entering the draft ("the biggest interview in their life") under the bus. He's a class A phony.
@kapilagarwal9244 yeah I never really knew what that value is he is supposedly providing the players. Of course we know the value they are providing him as in 10, 15, 20 million a year.
NCAA has been losing in court when it comes to NIL and transfer. Just last month a federal judge ruled they couldn't enforce their rules about using NIL to induce athletes to commit to a school or tranfer. "The ruling would allow those athletes in the recruiting process or in the transfer portal to negotiate NIL deals without breaking NCAA rules."
Bama fan here. Everything that Joel said about Michigan I believe is true. What he left out was the fact that most of the Michigan team was older seniors and juniors. I was at the game and that was the thing I noticed by looking at them and during the introductions. I immediately got worried.
@@Atwater20 Never said they weren’t. That wasn’t a dig at them. You have to admit that it was only when they were mature that they finally broke through. It was a credit to their coaches that they stuck around all those years. That is the advantage of have 3 stars. They stay in school longer.
@@Atwater20 This is not a disagreement. I’m talking specifically winning the national championship. Michigan has always been good enough to win the conference. This is not a dig.
@@onthelevel222 You're right. Harbaugh did an amazing job at making people not want to transfer or go to the NFL. You're 100 percent spot on. OSU is doing it right now. The next level of winning will be convincing guys to stay and play for more than just the money and get guys to come in to sacrifice.
Legendary? You’re dumb lol they broke no records, didn’t have the Heisman winner. That team was elite for sure but they weren’t at all legendary or all time by any means
IDK, I think it's both. You don't have leverage or incentive w/o NIL, to transfer. If you want to transfer for more playing time, why is that bad? I don't think that is, players should have the opportunity to move around for a better football situation. And besides, that is not much leverage at all for the player without NIL added because the incentive to move is much less.
1000%. You don’t have to be loyal if you can just leave with no repercussions. If you know you’re in it for the long haul the loyalty comes. Who tf cares if these kids get paid as long as they stay
@@calebhoffman6368 FUNNY COACHES HAVE BEEN LEAVING PLAYERS AND COLLEGES HANGING FOR YEARS BAILING OUT FOR BETTER OPPOTUNITIES AND NO ONE SAID A WORD. BUT NOW THE RABBIT HAS THE GUN AND PEOPLE LIKE SABAN ARE WHINNING. DUDE THESE COACHES ARE MAKING $10,000,000 PER YEAR DEAL WITH IT
It's not revisionist history but as a Michigan fan. I never thought Bama was a better. They had higher rated players, but they were never the better team. If not for Michigan's poor special team play, Michigan probably could've won by more than a TD
Players have long been getting paid. If you went to college at a big time program you seen it daily and often. Let’s stop the with the delusional narrative
@jeffm7145 blah blah blah roll tears. They make these universities 100's of millions of dollars and Saban made 150 million himself off of those athletes you sound pathetic.
A highly motivated 3* or 4* player will become a 5* stud by year 3. Michigan has always had good talent. But last year they had 44 seniors that stayed for something bigger than themselves, and they won because of that. I said that paying college players would destroy the sport, and it is doing exactly that. Now, the only way to mitigate it is by instituting a salary cap.
Destroying the sport or leveling the playing field lol? Easy to win as many BCS as Saban’s won until the NCAA actually allows players to leverage themselves against institutions that make millions off of them.
Destroying college football or finally making it competitive for all schools and financially beneficial for players? You were good with the schools making billions, the coaches making millions, and the players getting free room and board, right? Now that the players make a fraction of the coaches make, that's the problem?? Yeah, right.
Pay for play is right. It will tear apart locker rooms. It will basically lead to players jumping teams. Saban got paid a lot for sure. He also brought millions to the school to be shared by all sports at that school. College football is circling the drain.
@@curtisfreeman4970Saban said SPECIFICALLY that guys were throwing their helmets and it bothered him. So yeah it is part of it. Bye bye Bama. Good luck
This was the funnest team to watch I’ve ever seen. I’ve been a Michigan fan since birth. The most selfless team players in history at U of M. And to focus like they did with all of the distractions this year, self-inflicted mind you, was truly aMAIZE-ing. Go Blue!
NIL is what started this. NIL is what college football doesn’t need. The small schools were cheering for this. The bigger schools didn’t want this because it’s starting to lead to the schools paying the players. Which the schools don’t want to, if someone can transfer to another school. If you don’t like the way this is headed. You should be against NIL. The bigger schools are trying to find a way on keeping up with the money. Because here comes the players suing the universities & tv networks.
NIL is a huge deal, as is the transfer portal. It's the combination that lets teams poach players. With NIL specifically, the biggest problem is that it's not really NIL but rather pay for play with the exception of legitimate deals (for example, Livvy Dunne makes most of her money as a social media influencer). NIL will need to be regulated at some point by the federal government, but it may take a while before that happens. It's the Wild West for now.
@@edwardmartinez6401 NIL would be fine without scholarships. players should have to choose between the two. no transfers until after your 2nd year. all scholarship players have guarantee to remain on scholarship unless they break rules (ie new coach cant come in and cut the whole team) ultimately the problem is NIL has become an organized part of recruitment, but there shouldnt be any linkage between them. its the cart leading the horse. NIL was envisioned as being for guys like manziel and reggie bush who became national celebrities after performing on the field. its not meant to substitute for a professional football free agency - go to the NFL if you want that.
Joel is part right. Have a friend who works on Bama's medical staff. Said players came to Saban BEFORE the Michigan game and asked about money. Caleb Downs' dad was even talking about holding Caleb out for the Michigan or NC game. Caleb Downs played his mind out of the UGA game, playing safety, corner, and even gap assignments. His dad was furious.
Spot on!! The worst thing ever was starting the “pay-for-play”. It was obvious as the season progressed - no honorable players - it was “all-about-me” mindsets. Insane and now football has changed forever. When Paul Bryant was coaching … seeing the hugely muscled football plays in suit and ties, come onto the field, all together doing “the walk” around the field, returning to locker room to get their gear on to play ball. That was intimidation and powerful as one team! That always made me so proud watching these boys do this. Unselfish and honorable. We will never Get this back. I expected Saban to retire. It’s so frustrating dealing with the “me-me-me” attitudes. No more sadly. 😢
Most fans don’t read between the lines. They love the game and the team they root for. We shall see how Pay for Play fares in the future. I believe fans will continue to watch!
This, Georgia had a common goal and edge and built towards greatness. Michigan had a edge and built towards greatness. With the landscape of CFB being more selfish, Alabama and OSU suffered from their years of success. They just expected greatness and wanted to get paid till they are drafted. No common goals and no edge
"Michigan just kinda took it from them" nah Joel we nearly handed Bama a win. Muffed punt turns into Bama TD, missed extra point, missed FG and then another muffed punt almost turned into a safety.
Best take on this news byte that I've heard. I am a 55 year old Bama fan. That Michigan team absolutely deserved and earned that win vs Bama and Washington. Nothing but respect for what that TEAM accomplished.
Teams like UM have great seasons like this because they recruit solid, but not top-tier, guys who stick around for a while. Bama has had tremendous success with 3-and-done guys. The fact that their receivers this year still could've been Smith, Metchie, and Williams is wild to think about.
I am an OSU fan and I totally agree about the Michigan team unity. That was obvious. It's hard to not like Corum and McCaffrey as individuals when you hear them in press conferences and interviews.
I give Saban all the credit in the world for recognizing the change and realizing that his philosophy was out of step with the new reality of current state of affairs surrounding college athletics. How many would continue to cling to their "my way or the highway" mentality and inevitably bring down the whole program in the process?
The michigan team is literally the oldest team in cfb to pretty much ever exist. With Covid giving the kids extra years to play allowing most of the team to be 5th and 6th years it’s quite impressive the Michigan was able to hold on to them for so long and imo the reason they win the natty this year. I see a lot of people calling out OSU but a good chunk of them are staying an extra year that could have been 1st or 2nd round picks. As long as these rivalries exist I think CFB will be fine. You gotta show why kids should be invested in the program and be able to get them high end NIL deals.
The last team to have so many 5th and 6th year seniors made the difference! I read Washington had a bunch of them too and it got them to 14-1 not bad! Tom Osbourne at Neb. had a bunch of old teams too esp. on the OL and I loved it.
The vast majority of Michigans starters were Juniors and Seniors. They had one starter who was a 6th year Senior in LB Micheal Barrett. Michigan had more Sophomores starting (4) than graduate and 6th year Seniors (2).
Michigan is symbolic for college football and saban. Michigan is known for never paying kids forever. It's a great academic school and a historic team football wise. Great but never elite and they beat saban. Symbolically, they are the old guard they were meant to win this one and beat the team synonymous with the sport, the team that always paid up for talent. New era in cfb
I mean welcome to the real world when you deal with employees, which these players are now. They want to know what you’re gonna pay them or they’re going somewhere that pays them more. This is how every work environment functions.
Yeah IDK about the talent being that far apart between Michigan and other top teams like Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, etc.... Michigan set a record for combine invites. Michigan had a QB you could trust much more so than Alabama - I point to that as a primary reason if any of why Michigan beat Alabama. With that said, I'm all for players getting some $ but there needs to be some reasonable guardrails to NIL/transfer. No 'industry' in the world can effectively completely self regulate. They need an effective impartial governing body to set at least some rules/structure in place.
Yeah Michigan did have a QB you can trust. You can trust Jalen Milroe now than where he once was at the beginning of the season. Jalen has shown that he can lead his team to a win
i disagree the guardrails are as simple as this. the nfl interview players during the combine i.e they look at there resume. now would you hire or pay millions to someone that has bounced around to 3 different schools in the last 3yrs. NO YOU WOULD NOT. BIG RED FLAG!!!!!!!!! i.e. YOUR GUARDRAIL thank you
I think one of the reasons why Saban may have lost influence on his locker room is that he comes across as not very personal. I'm sure there must be players who do feel like he's personally invested in them, but that's definitely not the image portayed to the outside and it's not Alabama's brand either. Their brand is more like "this is basically the NFL minor leagues". Nobody mentions that "love of the game" in regards to Alabama. They talk about having the best talent, the most money and the hardest training. Those are great traits but what are they lacking? Family. The one group that most people are willing to sacrifice or put their own desires aside for is "family". Some teams are known for being a "family" , or even a "brotherhood". But I've never heard anyone say that Bama is like that.
You say Michigan is less talented than Bama, OSU…yet they set the NFL combine record?? By objective measures (combine invites, on the field stats) Michigan was MORE talented than those teams. Maybe people should stop focusing so much on inaccurate HS star ratings
I have to push back on the talented part. I can’t roll with that. They were the better team that day, but they definitely weren’t more talented than Alabama.
id like to hear some opinions on solutions.. I know Klatt has touched on it but what do some of y'all think ? I like nil and portel but it's getting out of hand.. would Revenue sharing, limiting transfers , etc lets hear some opinions
But Bama has always been a Football Factory first & foremost. Their graduation rate is far lower than schools like Michigan, Notre Dame and Stanford.. Schools with Degrees that guarantee a future other than football
No actually graduation rates under Nick Saban have been rather high. Usually top 10 and some years top graduation rate. For instance Bama was #3 in 2022, Michigan was good too at #15. Another indication Saban did want players to create value for themselves now and later in life.
@@dennismoore1116 When Alabama played Notre Dame in 2012 bama had a 65% graduation rate compared to ND’s 97%. Yes it has improved over the years under Saban but it took nearly a decade. The fact remains a majority of bama students wouldn’t be academically accepted into schools like Michigan, Notre Dame, Stanford, let alone be able to complete a Degree at aforementioned schools
I am one of the biggest Alabama fans, out of many people and you are absolutely correct Joel. We were very talented but Michigan deserved and apparently won the National Championship (and kudos to Michigan for winning it all). We did have a very talented team, BUT we had no heart and Michigan knew and exposed Alabama for being about "I" instead of the "team". Again, kudos to Michigan for winning the national championship.
So what are 95% of those kids gonna do when they are out of football , how many of those players graduate with a degree they can turn into a job and career .
Hopefully you keep that same passion for Hockey, Baseball, Golf and tennis players at those same schools that decide to do what’s best for their future.
If you have a degree you have a job. Not a lot college graduates working at McDonald's unless they are Managers and District Managers and those are 6 figure jobs
Lol Bama has been paying players long before NIL. Not a coincidence that Saban called it quits now that the playing field has been leveled. Are we supposed to feel bad for Bama Joel? I don't get it.
Funny how all you salty haters keep saying it but not one shred of evidence has come out about it across his decades of coaching football. Then someone challenges you to provide evidence of it and you shrink back into your little troll corner and pout
@@jasonbrown097not one shred of evidence? There is/was an LSU forum that had dozens of pictures of bama players standing with their 100k cars holding handfuls of cash. It happened. Won't hurt to admit it.......
It’s funny that no one seems to remember Alabama been paying players before NIL you’ve had several players from past teams that went on to the NFL came out and I said I got paid when I played there but everyone seems to ignore it and why can’t people hold the coaches to the same standard it only selfish when kids start thinking of there future and not letting a coach decide it for you do people even realize how many college athletes careers that have been ruined because they were so loyal to to team and listen to there coaches and staying and not playing smh!
And he explained this very subject in the video which you Michigan fans obviously didn't pay attention to because like all fans you hear what you want.
Michigan did play better as a team than anyone else. However they also had just as much talent as those other teams. They sent a record 18 guys to the NFL combine.
I do believe it's very likely that the wolverines grasp hold of what was an assault against the team and Harbaugh to build that "for the team and coach" mentality. And this is coming from a buckeye fan who was castigated for predicting that OSU would loose to them the last 3 games. I'm a football fan first, I just happen to love my buckeyes and longhorns😊
This is not true. College football is changing. You don't have to like the change. During this time, it is going to be really crazy before it becomes normal.
I feel like Saban ran up against paying for the best 4-5 Star talent while they could NOT foster the TEAM culture like Michigan who had 3-4 Star players. The Michigan players ALL bought into TEAM culture. We know this is true with ONE player (Sabb) of significance leaving Michigan during this last transfer period. If you recruit players motivated by the most money what did Saban think would happen? Michigan knows they have to balance paying for the best talent while recruiting players that have other interests outside of money. At the college level teams have to recruit for other reasons outside of money. This is not the NFL. It's too early to pay for the "best" talent. How would you define the "best" with an 17-18 year old kid? Physical ability? Well even this can't happen because these KIDS are still growing.
Division 1 should split into a minor league system for those schools that want to play high level football, and another league truly for those student athletes that want to play college football. Bama/Mich/A&M and any other school that wants to pay players and treat them as employees, can do that. Any players that want to turn pro, can do that.
Saban left because players wanted their piece of the pie. If he really loved coaching he would of stayed and figured it out instead of running off in the sunset with his millions and car dealerships
It's about getting a college degree for free. In that aspect I'd take a Michigan degree over just about any school in America, except Stanford or Northwestern but their football programs are terrible
Jeff, I don’t disagree with your comment but NIL becoming legal and the Transfer Portal caused Saban to lose leverage and control. Before the transfer portal Saban could impose his will and a player would lose a year of eligibility by transferring. All that changed Saban’s control. It gave the players leverage they didn’t previously have.
That UM team was a one-off. It was the culmination of a three year process. It will be like everywhere else going forward. So using them as an example is completely off topic. The issue is the future of college athletics.
Joel, the only reason the Michigan Alabama game was as close as it was is cause Michigan was trying to beat themselves two years in a row. They were making stupid mistakes they hadn't made all year then they decided to start making them in the semi finals for the second year in a row. Michigan should have won that Alabama game by 21. BTW, Michigan has 18 guys at the combine, which is a record. I don't think the talent gap is as wide as you make it sound.
Michigan average talent? How many Michigan players were invited to the NFL combine? Players coming out of high school aren’t the same players four years later.
BAMA had the best bag man in the business.....they purchased the best players for decades....now that it's legal for EVERYBODY to buy players. Nick sees the handwriting on the wall & bailslout.
I look around at the new college football and we are not recognizable anymore. It's sad and caused the greatest college football coach of all time hung it up.
Michigan had more talent than Alabama last year. Showed on the field and showed on amount of studs going to the NFL. And Saban is absolutely correct about NIL and the transfer portal ruining the game. It’s supposed to be an amateur sport and you can’t say that anymore. It’s so sad
Just think UM haters…. We lost our Head coach and 90% of our staff and only one player/ starter transferred…. That’s called culture… the team the team the team…. Go Blue!
Just wait til the NCAA drops the hammer on not just Michigan Football, but the entire Michigan athletic department for many serious violations. Good luck with that in 2024...😂
Longtime Wake Forest/ACC guy....still hard to fathom Cal, Stanford and SMU joining the league....last time I checked, it's over 2,700+ miles from Palo Alto to Winston, or...a 40 hour drive if you can't fly....uh-huh. Nothing against those schools, but, well......
PROOF that Nick paid players?...throwing allegations on the wall and seeing what sticks is WOKE and irresponsible chatter. Show the receipts. ...I am not an Alabama fan. Go Maize. Go Blue.
You're absolutely right that Michigan's high level of experience led them to a title. It's also the case that there was no true S tier team in 2023 (including them) that they had to run into. 2023 was unique in recent history because there was no team of the caliber of 2018 Clemson, 2019 LSU, 2020 Bama, 2022 UGA, etc.
Brainlet take. If that was the reason, then Alabama would have fallen off in recruiting. They never did. It's the transfer rules basically forcing coaches to constantly recruit their own roster 24/7/365 so they don't have guys jumping ship all the time. It's causing massive burnout with coaches.
@@RonTDB Sorry to disappoint you but only the SEC has such pronounced history of paying players. In a poll of former SEC player 67% said they got some sort of payment in violation of NCAA rules by far the highest of any Conference.
I am a longtime Alabama fan and also graduate of the University. Having said that , I could not agree more with this commentary. I hated losing that Michigan game but what Joel said about this Michigan team was spot on and they all got to hold up a National Championship trophy because of it.
From a Wolverine graduate (‘97), I applaud your comment. I notice the real fans and alumni have been nothing but class acts since the Rose Bowl ended. The mark of a true championship attitude. Good luck with the new coach this year and hey, I’ll say it…. Roll Tide!!
PS I’m rooting for y’all in basketball this year!!
Harbaugh always said he didn’t recruit for talent alone, he recruited players who loved football. that kind of player will work harder, will show up sooner, and complain less
@@Dustomatic Sarkesian's favorite word is "culture". He said that in recruiting, he talks to other kids, trainers, teachers, janitors, etc. to see what kind of person the recruit is. In talking with the recruit, he likes to see if they watch games in their spare time, play other sports, etc.
Same rules for everybody.
It all evens out. Adapt or die!
What worse than Alabama players being called selfish by their coach is that the University of Michigan is caught in the worst cheating scandal in the history of college football and no one. Not Joel nor espn nor any person that really mattered stepped up to ever call them out for their transgressions. They are simply just called a great dedicated group of honorable teammates. Gimme a break. It’s not just football. Our entire society is a lawless mess.
"Talented teams win. Devoted teams win Championships and devotion and talent are two very different things." OMG, that statement sums up what it takes to be a champion in such a concise manner, it's nearly unbelievable. Well done, Mr. Klatt. Well done.
*Yup......God help us if this generation gets called up to fight WWIII.* Saban's sick of the bullsh!t. The problem here is that Joel Klatt thinks NIL is OK, as long as there's a contract to hand to the perpetually, entitled punks who are demanding to get wealthy playing with a ball on Saturday's, because a free education isn't enough. So, Klatt isn't even remotely addressing the real problem here which as far as Saban's comments go, are just as glaring. *Contract or not, it is **-virtually-** LITERALLY impossible to get "devotion" with that level of entitlement.*
Assuming they weren't devoted. Saban didn't say they came up to him and talked about money or transferring before the loss. They allegedly did that after the game was over, when they should have. They have agency, power and choice now. The same thing Saban had all those decades when he could demand a higher salary or do what he did, change schools.
Saban is frustrated that now coaches like him have lost a lot of the leverage that they used for decades to control these players in order to make, what nine figures for himself? While some of those great players he recruited agonized on the bench or got injured and let go, with nothing to show for it, but they were "loyal" and "devoted."
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I live in Alabama and the sentiment surrounding the Michigan game was dominance. The tide and its fans just knew they were gonna destroy Big Blue and yet the moment the game kicked off you could feel that it was going to be a real challenge. A challenge that they may not have expected and as the game went on you could see frustration on one side and momentum and belief on the other. 9 out of 10 games the tide played they beat there opponents before they ever stepped off the bus. Mentally the opponent never really believed in each other enough to win for 4 quarters and that gave them just enough to have that edge in close games but Michigan refused to give in and that’s what it takes to beat them consistently because they are so superior athletically. Great stuff and fascinating
Not Big Blue thats Kentucky, however I agree with ya...
Tide fans thinking they were gonna destroy UM is why you don’t put money on games you have an interest in. Pure delusion 😂😂
I live and Bama and didn't hear a single Bama fan say the game was going to be easy.
Nobody intimidates Michigan…..ever.
I don;t think the talent gap between Michigan and Alabama was as much as Klatt alludes to. Michigan was older and more experienced. One could argue that the difference between the two teams was so small that the game was decided by a poor performance by Alabama's center in snapping the ball.
Joel is spot on about why Michigan won. It may be the last team in college football history where all the players put the team first.
Well, in your Michigan addled brain anyway.
What?
I can 100% guarantee you that not all the players put Michigan football first lmfao
What about all the future NFL players at GA who played in the "meaningless" Orange Bowl?
How can you guarantee?
As a lifelong Michigan fan I truly believe this is the same reason Jim Harbaugh was so persistent on going back to the NFL. A great example Jim couldn't buy a round of cheeseburgers for recruits without a investigation but recruits are allowed to pull up in a $500,000 Lambo before signing a letter of intent.
i think becuz he was caught cheating
@MikeHaggerty Jealousy and envy are not healthy for you.
@@MikeHaggerty😂😂😂😂you just keep thinking that 😂😂😂😂😂Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
i agree
@@thebighousencaaattendancer478
You're going to find out here really quick how horrifically wring you really are. Corruption, organized Crimes, and cheatingbon unprecedented scale.
Syalluins was a code breaker..he needed detail video of signs to own ot..and own all the backup signs which teams has 3 sets.
NCAA said point blank to BIG as they went to court vs UM.
" This is the single greatest and repulsive organized criminal activity in USA Sports history."
Direct from court filings. On the tecord..Michigan is dead
As a Bama fan, I agree with everything you said. I saw this coming as soon as NIL was approved. The days of traditional college football are over. It's a new age...
You mean the day of the big schools paying players under the tables and setting poor parents up with high paying jobs is evened out?
Cry baby cry
@@ma.cannon2849 So you enjoy seeing the sport descend into chaos?
How is he crying? Sounds like the first reasonable Alabama fan.I'm spoken to. Is this right for every team@@ma.cannon2849
@DukeofFrat the playing field is leveled. The games will be the same year in and year out. Saban thought he was going to be able to pay players under the table and thats out now.
So what I get from this is Saban was excited to run it back this yr, but was alarmed at how many players only cared about themselves and not about the team.
Yep it's crazy how much the player passion has changed for the years. Literally a few years ago, you had bench players jumping in excitement when a teammate made plays, now many of the players are just more concerned about themselves (not every player).
Accurate.
EXACTLY!
?!
That sounds like what I am interpreting.
i am a buckeye fan ,but michigan played as a team ,they deserve the natty they earned it
I agree they played as a team but there will always be the issue that they cheated in the process. NOT SAYING IT IS WHY THEY WON IT ALL. It is just a fact that they cheated.
@@dustindavis5397 very true dustin ,good point
And ohio state and the SEC have been buying players for decades, and explain exactly how they cheated against alabama ,washington and ohio@@dustindavis5397
@dustindavis5397
Ask yourself, why is it when Michigan breaks a rule Ohio State fans label it as "cheating" but when other teams do, all we hear about are "rules violations".
If you want to call Michigan cheaters, fine, but at least he consistent and say the same when other teams are accused of breaking the rules.
@@Jon.A.Scholt i am a buckeye fan and i can only be accountable for my actions ,if michigan is found guilty with evidence of cheating than it is cheating but that time has not come yet ,but like i said michigan played like a team and they deserved the natty this past year
Yeah. How dare players think about themselves first. Coaches never think about themselves first ( Saban leaving MSU for better opportunity to LSU. Saban leaving LSU for Miami. Saban leaving Miami for Bama. Quite sure his departure from each organization was in the best interest of the Team.).
Facts
Thank you Captain Mediocrity - fckn clown!
Empirically incorrect. It's apples to oranges comparing a grown man moving from one coaching position to another and a 18 year old kid who now just wants cash with no plans for developing his future.
Like how you delete comments you don't like 🤡
The last time I checked 18 is a grown man. and just like coach has plans for the future and generational wealth so does he@@Cosper79
This was what happened with the Caleb Downs kid. Alabama offered him a certain amount. He came back and wanted more than they agreed on. Alabama refused to pay more, OSU offered the amount he wanted, Downs left. (OSU did the same thing with the problematic back from Ole Miss) This was known around campus. The big news didn't want to talk about it because they felt it smeared Downs. I don't think it smears Downs. I think it just shows what the sport is now. It needs to be talked about.
yeah....Saban can't stomach the idea that other teams can now buy players when he was the only one allowed to do it before.
@@diggingmystyle I played 16 years of football. Every school who has competed for a title in the last 20 years had a bag man. Many other players will tell you that too. This whole 'Alabama was the only one doing it!' is a meme.
@@diggingmystyle Yup exactly, he can't offer his shady "value" anymore. Now he has to actually coach. Might as well retire with his piggy bank.
@@jasonbugs2877 no doubt other top schools were doing it, the point is that he just did it best and that was his differentiator. Now that he doesn't have that he has to actually coach and build culture so he bails while throwing his current players entering the draft ("the biggest interview in their life") under the bus. He's a class A phony.
@kapilagarwal9244 yeah I never really knew what that value is he is supposedly providing the players. Of course we know the value they are providing him as in 10, 15, 20 million a year.
👏👏👏👏👏...Talented teams win... but devoted, selfless teams win championships.
100 percent. Ohio spent millions this offseason. NCAA focuses on minor things and not the big issues.
NCAA has been losing in court when it comes to NIL and transfer. Just last month a federal judge ruled they couldn't enforce their rules about using NIL to induce athletes to commit to a school or tranfer.
"The ruling would allow those athletes in the recruiting process or in the transfer portal to negotiate NIL deals without breaking NCAA rules."
@@vidpie They need to take leadership and work out a model that fair and open.
The bobcats have nowhere near that kind of money. What are you talking about
@@inlinechris yeah, for real. I have no idea what he meant 🤷♂️
@@inlinechriswho cares, Michigan owns them regardless
THE TEAM, THE TEAM, THE TEAM.
Bama fan here. Everything that Joel said about Michigan I believe is true. What he left out was the fact that most of the Michigan team was older seniors and juniors. I was at the game and that was the thing I noticed by looking at them and during the introductions. I immediately got worried.
Michigan's players were sophomores and juniors when they started winning big time in 2021.
@@Atwater20 Never said they weren’t. That wasn’t a dig at them. You have to admit that it was only when they were mature that they finally broke through. It was a credit to their coaches that they stuck around all those years. That is the advantage of have 3 stars. They stay in school longer.
@@onthelevel222They broke through as sophomores and freshman by beating Ohio State and winning the Big Ten.
@@Atwater20 This is not a disagreement. I’m talking specifically winning the national championship. Michigan has always been good enough to win the conference. This is not a dig.
@@onthelevel222 You're right. Harbaugh did an amazing job at making people not want to transfer or go to the NFL. You're 100 percent spot on. OSU is doing it right now. The next level of winning will be convincing guys to stay and play for more than just the money and get guys to come in to sacrifice.
Spot on.
Hail to the Victors! 〽️🏆
That Michigan team was legendary, its possible we wont see another team like it.
They were very very good but what makes them legendary?
Legendary? You’re dumb lol they broke no records, didn’t have the Heisman winner. That team was elite for sure but they weren’t at all legendary or all time by any means
Absolute legendary
Never will see a greater season again
Ncaa is the mini pros
Michigan won the last championship
Lmao
The new transfer rules are much more of a problem than NIL
IDK, I think it's both. You don't have leverage or incentive w/o NIL, to transfer.
If you want to transfer for more playing time, why is that bad? I don't think that is, players should have the opportunity to move around for a better football situation.
And besides, that is not much leverage at all for the player without NIL added because the incentive to move is much less.
No. It’s the agents
1000%. You don’t have to be loyal if you can just leave with no repercussions. If you know you’re in it for the long haul the loyalty comes. Who tf cares if these kids get paid as long as they stay
@@dreamshakejunya STOP IT THAT'S A LIE
@@calebhoffman6368 FUNNY COACHES HAVE BEEN LEAVING PLAYERS AND COLLEGES HANGING FOR YEARS BAILING OUT FOR BETTER OPPOTUNITIES AND NO ONE SAID A WORD. BUT NOW THE RABBIT HAS THE GUN AND PEOPLE LIKE SABAN ARE WHINNING. DUDE THESE COACHES ARE MAKING $10,000,000 PER YEAR DEAL WITH IT
It's not revisionist history but as a Michigan fan. I never thought Bama was a better. They had higher rated players, but they were never the better team. If not for Michigan's poor special team play, Michigan probably could've won by more than a TD
And a great video team
NIL is great but this is why the nfl has a salary cap and contracts and rules. College football right now has no rules with NIL
Exactly nil needs some rules
No, NIL is not great. It is ruining the sport.
Players have long been getting paid. If you went to college at a big time program you seen it daily and often. Let’s stop the with the delusional narrative
@jeffm7145 blah blah blah roll tears. They make these universities 100's of millions of dollars and Saban made 150 million himself off of those athletes you sound pathetic.
Hakeem billions of dollars!
For the most part your shows, time after time are good. This one you knocked the cover off. Great job….Fight On!
A highly motivated 3* or 4* player will become a 5* stud by year 3. Michigan has always had good talent. But last year they had 44 seniors that stayed for something bigger than themselves, and they won because of that. I said that paying college players would destroy the sport, and it is doing exactly that. Now, the only way to mitigate it is by instituting a salary cap.
So contracts is what youre saying ?
Destroying the sport or leveling the playing field lol? Easy to win as many BCS as Saban’s won until the NCAA actually allows players to leverage themselves against institutions that make millions off of them.
Destroying college football or finally making it competitive for all schools and financially beneficial for players? You were good with the schools making billions, the coaches making millions, and the players getting free room and board, right? Now that the players make a fraction of the coaches make, that's the problem?? Yeah, right.
Pay for play is right. It will tear apart locker rooms. It will basically lead to players jumping teams. Saban got paid a lot for sure. He also brought millions to the school to be shared by all sports at that school. College football is circling the drain.
@@JacobParsons-vu2gp Ain't that the truth!!!
Jalen Milroe slamming his helmet on the sideline after the Michigan game is probably some of what he’s talking
I disagree. Milroe could have transferred and received a boat load of money. He stayed at Bama and convinced others to stay..
…. And give me the heisman.
@@curtisfreeman4970Saban said SPECIFICALLY that guys were throwing their helmets and it bothered him. So yeah it is part of it. Bye bye Bama. Good luck
@@curtisfreeman4970Milroes NIL was up to $1.3M and probably got even more going into this new season….
If throwing your helmet because of frustration for wanting to win is a deal breaker Maybe it was time for Nick to say bye.
Washington last season was a excellent example of playing above your perceived talent and the idea of team first mentality
Btw I’m an Oregon fan
This was the funnest team to watch I’ve ever seen. I’ve been a Michigan fan since birth. The most selfless team players in history at U of M. And to focus like they did with all of the distractions this year, self-inflicted mind you, was truly aMAIZE-ing. Go Blue!
NIL isnt a big deal.
The portal and non existent transfer rules are the death knell for CFB.
NIL is what started this. NIL is what college football doesn’t need. The small schools were cheering for this. The bigger schools didn’t want this because it’s starting to lead to the schools paying the players. Which the schools don’t want to, if someone can transfer to another school. If you don’t like the way this is headed. You should be against NIL. The bigger schools are trying to find a way on keeping up with the money. Because here comes the players suing the universities & tv networks.
@@edwardmartinez6401whine to the US Supreme Court about it...
NIL and the transfer portal go hand in hand 90% of the time
NIL is a huge deal, as is the transfer portal. It's the combination that lets teams poach players. With NIL specifically, the biggest problem is that it's not really NIL but rather pay for play with the exception of legitimate deals (for example, Livvy Dunne makes most of her money as a social media influencer). NIL will need to be regulated at some point by the federal government, but it may take a while before that happens. It's the Wild West for now.
@@edwardmartinez6401 NIL would be fine without scholarships. players should have to choose between the two. no transfers until after your 2nd year. all scholarship players have guarantee to remain on scholarship unless they break rules (ie new coach cant come in and cut the whole team)
ultimately the problem is NIL has become an organized part of recruitment, but there shouldnt be any linkage between them. its the cart leading the horse. NIL was envisioned as being for guys like manziel and reggie bush who became national celebrities after performing on the field. its not meant to substitute for a professional football free agency - go to the NFL if you want that.
Joel is part right. Have a friend who works on Bama's medical staff. Said players came to Saban BEFORE the Michigan game and asked about money. Caleb Downs' dad was even talking about holding Caleb out for the Michigan or NC game. Caleb Downs played his mind out of the UGA game, playing safety, corner, and even gap assignments. His dad was furious.
Lol at klatt. We were ALWAYS in pay for play, it’s just that everyone is allowed to pay, not just certain favored programs.
While true, it was way less rampant than it is now.
Spot on!! The worst thing ever was starting the “pay-for-play”. It was obvious as the season progressed - no honorable players - it was “all-about-me” mindsets. Insane and now football has changed forever. When Paul Bryant was coaching … seeing the hugely muscled football plays in suit and ties, come onto the field, all together doing “the walk” around the field, returning to locker room to get their gear on to play ball. That was intimidation and powerful as one team! That always made me so proud watching these boys do this. Unselfish and honorable. We will never
Get this back. I expected Saban to retire. It’s so frustrating dealing with the “me-me-me” attitudes. No more sadly. 😢
Most fans don’t read between the lines. They love the game and the team they root for. We shall see how Pay for Play fares in the future. I believe fans will continue to watch!
The athletes have became attracted to Alabama for the results, not the process.
The money and they coaching gets you to the league
This, Georgia had a common goal and edge and built towards greatness. Michigan had a edge and built towards greatness.
With the landscape of CFB being more selfish, Alabama and OSU suffered from their years of success. They just expected greatness and wanted to get paid till they are drafted. No common goals and no edge
"Michigan just kinda took it from them" nah Joel we nearly handed Bama a win. Muffed punt turns into Bama TD, missed extra point, missed FG and then another muffed punt almost turned into a safety.
To further my comment everything else said seems spot on.
@6:08 you absolutely nailed it. Great take! No one who has followed the last few years of the "sport" is surprised at this turn of events.
Cannot deny Joel's passion! 🏆 #roadTo19
As ol Bo would say " The Team The Team The Team!
Best take on this news byte that I've heard. I am a 55 year old Bama fan. That Michigan team absolutely deserved and earned that win vs Bama and Washington. Nothing but respect for what that TEAM accomplished.
Being a Bama fan. It shows who was there for other things than the team when Saban retired. The ones that transferred were part of the problem.
Teams like UM have great seasons like this because they recruit solid, but not top-tier, guys who stick around for a while. Bama has had tremendous success with 3-and-done guys. The fact that their receivers this year still could've been Smith, Metchie, and Williams is wild to think about.
UM CHEATED!!!! THEY DIDN’T STOP CHEATING JUST BECAUSE THEY GOT CAUGHT..
@@tamarabuirley1379- What games did they cheat in?
I am an OSU fan and I totally agree about the Michigan team unity. That was obvious. It's hard to not like Corum and McCaffrey as individuals when you hear them in press conferences and interviews.
Joel is the most straight forward guy doing it.
Read: Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Exploiting College Athletes
by Walter Byers
I give Saban all the credit in the world for recognizing the change and realizing that his philosophy was out of step with the new reality of current state of affairs surrounding college athletics. How many would continue to cling to their "my way or the highway" mentality and inevitably bring down the whole program in the process?
The michigan team is literally the oldest team in cfb to pretty much ever exist. With Covid giving the kids extra years to play allowing most of the team to be 5th and 6th years it’s quite impressive the Michigan was able to hold on to them for so long and imo the reason they win the natty this year. I see a lot of people calling out OSU but a good chunk of them are staying an extra year that could have been 1st or 2nd round picks. As long as these rivalries exist I think CFB will be fine. You gotta show why kids should be invested in the program and be able to get them high end NIL deals.
The last team to have so many 5th and 6th year seniors made the difference! I read Washington had a bunch of them too and it got them to 14-1 not bad! Tom Osbourne at Neb. had a bunch of old teams too esp. on the OL and I loved it.
The vast majority of Michigans starters were Juniors and Seniors. They had one starter who was a 6th year Senior in LB Micheal Barrett. Michigan had more Sophomores starting (4) than graduate and 6th year Seniors (2).
False, they still had several players that could have come back again next year but chose the NFL.
Saban is the greatest recruiter of all time. Best coach, that’s up for debate. He quit cuz he now knows the playing field has changed due to NIL.
Michigan is symbolic for college football and saban. Michigan is known for never paying kids forever. It's a great academic school and a historic team football wise. Great but never elite and they beat saban. Symbolically, they are the old guard they were meant to win this one and beat the team synonymous with the sport, the team that always paid up for talent. New era in cfb
I mean welcome to the real world when you deal with employees, which these players are now. They want to know what you’re gonna pay them or they’re going somewhere that pays them more. This is how every work environment functions.
Yeah IDK about the talent being that far apart between Michigan and other top teams like Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, etc.... Michigan set a record for combine invites. Michigan had a QB you could trust much more so than Alabama - I point to that as a primary reason if any of why Michigan beat Alabama. With that said, I'm all for players getting some $ but there needs to be some reasonable guardrails to NIL/transfer. No 'industry' in the world can effectively completely self regulate. They need an effective impartial governing body to set at least some rules/structure in place.
Jim Harbaugh JULY 2023: ""I think we'll have 20 guys picked (in the next NFL draft). I bet we break that (draft) record. (Georgia) had 15..."
They had one. But it got sued into irrelevancy.
Yeah Michigan did have a QB you can trust. You can trust Jalen Milroe now than where he once was at the beginning of the season. Jalen has shown that he can lead his team to a win
i disagree the guardrails are as simple as this. the nfl interview players during the combine i.e they look at there resume. now would you hire or pay millions to someone that has bounced around to 3 different schools in the last 3yrs. NO YOU WOULD NOT. BIG RED FLAG!!!!!!!!! i.e. YOUR GUARDRAIL thank you
Your observations and thoughts are spot on... Thank You Sir.
I think one of the reasons why Saban may have lost influence on his locker room is that he comes across as not very personal. I'm sure there must be players who do feel like he's personally invested in them, but that's definitely not the image portayed to the outside and it's not Alabama's brand either. Their brand is more like "this is basically the NFL minor leagues". Nobody mentions that "love of the game" in regards to Alabama. They talk about having the best talent, the most money and the hardest training. Those are great traits but what are they lacking? Family. The one group that most people are willing to sacrifice or put their own desires aside for is "family". Some teams are known for being a "family" , or even a "brotherhood". But I've never heard anyone say that Bama is like that.
Nice
Truth/Facts
Hail to the Victors 🎉❤
You say Michigan is less talented than Bama, OSU…yet they set the NFL combine record?? By objective measures (combine invites, on the field stats) Michigan was MORE talented than those teams. Maybe people should stop focusing so much on inaccurate HS star ratings
Aw yes Joel klatt the voice of reason with poetic takes of college football
Joe I disagree Michigan was more talented and more dedicated and better coached than any other team in the country last year
Whatever Carlos The Jackal
lol Bam! @@Spork123able
I have to push back on the talented part. I can’t roll with that. They were the better team that day, but they definitely weren’t more talented than Alabama.
@@jarvisharris31 maybe not, but pretty solid all around. Still sent 18 to the combine....not too shabby
You can disagree with Joe if you want to, but you need to disagree with the national championship trophy🏆
id like to hear some opinions on solutions.. I know Klatt has touched on it but what do some of y'all think ? I like nil and portel but it's getting out of hand.. would Revenue sharing, limiting transfers , etc lets hear some opinions
Leave it alone. The people that are bellyaching are the teams that always dominate the sport. Forget about them.
But Bama has always been a Football Factory first & foremost. Their graduation rate is far lower than schools like Michigan, Notre Dame and Stanford.. Schools with Degrees that guarantee a future other than football
No actually graduation rates under Nick Saban have been rather high. Usually top 10 and some years top graduation rate. For instance Bama was #3 in 2022, Michigan was good too at #15. Another indication Saban did want players to create value for themselves now and later in life.
@@dennismoore1116 When Alabama played Notre Dame in 2012 bama had a 65% graduation rate compared to ND’s 97%. Yes it has improved over the years under Saban but it took nearly a decade. The fact remains a majority of bama students wouldn’t be academically accepted into schools like Michigan, Notre Dame, Stanford, let alone be able to complete a Degree at aforementioned schools
I am one of the biggest Alabama fans, out of many people and you are absolutely correct Joel. We were very talented but Michigan deserved and apparently won the National Championship (and kudos to Michigan for winning it all). We did have a very talented team, BUT we had no heart and Michigan knew and exposed Alabama for being about "I" instead of the "team". Again, kudos to Michigan for winning the national championship.
Read: Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Exploiting College Athletes
by Walter Byers, if you can get it.
So what are 95% of those kids gonna do when they are out of football , how many of those players graduate with a degree they can turn into a job and career .
And with McDonalds going to more worker free kiosks these players won't have that career option.
Hopefully you keep that same passion for Hockey, Baseball, Golf and tennis players at those same schools that decide to do what’s best for their future.
That’s why they want to get paid in college! It’s legal now if the boosters/collectives have the money.
@@DrummerDanVa “career option” is crazy 😂😂😂
If you have a degree you have a job. Not a lot college graduates working at McDonald's unless they are Managers and District Managers and those are 6 figure jobs
Side story... After the J Klatt story on McAfee this week, I have to subscribe.
You're an animal.
Lol Bama has been paying players long before NIL. Not a coincidence that Saban called it quits now that the playing field has been leveled. Are we supposed to feel bad for Bama Joel? I don't get it.
Tru
Funny how all you salty haters keep saying it but not one shred of evidence has come out about it across his decades of coaching football. Then someone challenges you to provide evidence of it and you shrink back into your little troll corner and pout
@@jasonbrown097not one shred of evidence? There is/was an LSU forum that had dozens of pictures of bama players standing with their 100k cars holding handfuls of cash. It happened. Won't hurt to admit it.......
Same tired take lmao.
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Thank You Joe!
It’s funny that no one seems to remember Alabama been paying players before NIL you’ve had several players from past teams that went on to the NFL came out and I said I got paid when I played there but everyone seems to ignore it and why can’t people hold the coaches to the same standard it only selfish when kids start thinking of there future and not letting a coach decide it for you do people even realize how many college athletes careers that have been ruined because they were so loyal to to team and listen to there coaches and staying and not playing smh!
Great show; thanks for saying it!
I disagree Michigan is very talented and every bit as talented as any team in the SEC. Come on dude!
not true
@@damayhemhousewinning the national championship and beating the sec champions says other wise 😊
And he explained this very subject in the video which you Michigan fans obviously didn't pay attention to because like all fans you hear what you want.
Michigan did play better as a team than anyone else. However they also had just as much talent as those other teams. They sent a record 18 guys to the NFL combine.
@@ronwilde1595 only 1 is/was a 5 star
I do believe it's very likely that the wolverines grasp hold of what was an assault against the team and Harbaugh to build that "for the team and coach" mentality. And this is coming from a buckeye fan who was castigated for predicting that OSU would loose to them the last 3 games. I'm a football fan first, I just happen to love my buckeyes and longhorns😊
I’m a football fan who happens to like Michigan and has quickly become a cj stroud and Texans fan 🫡
That Michigan culture through and through
Well done Joel!
Sadly, my favorite sport is dying. RIP College Football.
Nah it’s not “Dying”.
It’s DEAD, Die 3yrs ago
This is not true. College football is changing. You don't have to like the change. During this time, it is going to be really crazy before it becomes normal.
NASCAR did the same thing and look what happened to them. College basketball started the one and done rule and it killed the sport. @@bristolpete
It's dead.@@bristolpete
The SEC is dead but that’s about it
I feel like Saban ran up against paying for the best 4-5 Star talent while they could NOT foster the TEAM culture like Michigan who had 3-4 Star players. The Michigan players ALL bought into TEAM culture. We know this is true with ONE player (Sabb) of significance leaving Michigan during this last transfer period. If you recruit players motivated by the most money what did Saban think would happen? Michigan knows they have to balance paying for the best talent while recruiting players that have other interests outside of money. At the college level teams have to recruit for other reasons outside of money. This is not the NFL. It's too early to pay for the "best" talent. How would you define the "best" with an 17-18 year old kid? Physical ability? Well even this can't happen because these KIDS are still growing.
Division 1 should split into a minor league system for those schools that want to play high level football, and another league truly for those student athletes that want to play college football. Bama/Mich/A&M and any other school that wants to pay players and treat them as employees, can do that. Any players that want to turn pro, can do that.
Saban left because players wanted their piece of the pie. If he really loved coaching he would of stayed and figured it out instead of running off in the sunset with his millions and car dealerships
Joel is right on about what needs to change in college FB.
I totally agree
I saw a broadcast of Alabama late in September and told my girlfriend that he was done after 23-24season. He looked taxed to the max.
He dipped when the playing field leveled out 😂
It's about getting a college degree for free. In that aspect I'd take a Michigan degree over just about any school in America, except Stanford or Northwestern but their football programs are terrible
So it sounds like someone was tampering with his team with cash offers(OSU) before he retired..
Ohio State "self imposed 16 violations". Lol . Meaning Ohio State most likely committed well more than that.
Inb4 Michigans title is vacated
@@Peter-qq3io ?
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Jeff, I don’t disagree with your comment but NIL becoming legal and the Transfer Portal caused Saban to lose leverage and control. Before the transfer portal Saban could impose his will and a player would lose a year of eligibility by transferring. All that changed Saban’s control. It gave the players leverage they didn’t previously have.
18 combine invites seems to say michigan was the more talented team imo but hey keep putting stock in highschool rankings that just are not that good
Senior heavy team at Michigan
The biggest difference is the players are more focused on money and not being a part of a winning program.
Klatt, you're part of the reason the sport is heading where it is and why it has become the way it is..
All these commentators are. They were bitching 3 years ago about how much the coaches and schools make while players get “nothing”.
LOL, you really think talking heads are why players are getting paid?@@bamarocks777
@bamarocks777 He is the main one pushing it for fox $$$ I guess its his job but claims to love the sport while helping destroy it.
That UM team was a one-off. It was the culmination of a three year process. It will be like everywhere else going forward. So using them as an example is completely off topic. The issue is the future of college athletics.
Joel, the only reason the Michigan Alabama game was as close as it was is cause Michigan was trying to beat themselves two years in a row. They were making stupid mistakes they hadn't made all year then they decided to start making them in the semi finals for the second year in a row. Michigan should have won that Alabama game by 21. BTW, Michigan has 18 guys at the combine, which is a record. I don't think the talent gap is as wide as you make it sound.
Yes, team devotion is a big deal. Miller Moss at USC has this & it showed in this past Holiday Bowl.
I always wonder why Michigan's average talents could beat the best talents from the SEC.
Michigan average talent? How many Michigan players were invited to the NFL combine? Players coming out of high school aren’t the same players four years later.
@@matthewhuszarik4173 That can be attributed to player development
Coachlng>talent, sometimes
LOL, that was Michigan's first outright championship since the 1960's.
I think it's just what it looks like the players rallied behind their coach because their coach was a Target🤫
BAMA had the best bag man in the business.....they purchased the best players for decades....now that it's legal for EVERYBODY to buy players. Nick sees the handwriting on the wall & bailslout.
I look around at the new college football and we are not recognizable anymore. It's sad and caused the greatest college football coach of all time hung it up.
Michigan had more talent than Alabama last year. Showed on the field and showed on amount of studs going to the NFL. And Saban is absolutely correct about NIL and the transfer portal ruining the game. It’s supposed to be an amateur sport and you can’t say that anymore. It’s so sad
Just think UM haters…. We lost our Head coach and 90% of our staff and only one player/ starter transferred…. That’s called culture… the team the team the team…. Go Blue!
You Michigan people sound like a cult.
Just wait til the NCAA drops the hammer on not just Michigan Football, but the entire Michigan athletic department for many serious violations. Good luck with that in 2024...😂
Great Comment!
Longtime Wake Forest/ACC guy....still hard to fathom Cal, Stanford and SMU joining the league....last time I checked, it's over 2,700+ miles from Palo Alto to Winston, or...a 40 hour drive if you can't fly....uh-huh. Nothing against those schools, but, well......
wake forest,cal berkley, stanford and smu,duke! what is this the private nerd conference
oh i forgot georgia tech and boston college
Nick used to pay the players secretly. The most in the whole country. Now he’s got an accountant, it doesn’t work.
PROOF that Nick paid players?...throwing allegations on the wall
and seeing what sticks is WOKE and irresponsible chatter.
Show the receipts.
...I am not an Alabama
fan.
Go Maize. Go Blue.
Your takeaway number 1 makes me understand why A&M can never figure it out
Oh Saban is just mad that other teams are paying now so he had competition
You're absolutely right that Michigan's high level of experience led them to a title. It's also the case that there was no true S tier team in 2023 (including them) that they had to run into. 2023 was unique in recent history because there was no team of the caliber of 2018 Clemson, 2019 LSU, 2020 Bama, 2022 UGA, etc.
Saban couldn't handle coaching in a playing field where any school can pay their players.
Yup
News flash, every big school has been paying their players for decades. You just don’t know how to think about it critically.
Troll!
I definitely agree especially with your second point. No one is brave enough to say it.
The reality is that kids have options today they didn’t have in the past.
Dying to something bigger than yourself, KLATT speaking JESUS, preach it!
Michigan broke Saban
Saban is 72 years old and smart enough not to hang around forever and end up like Bowden or Paterno.
Idiot much?
and harbaugh is gone so its back to frozen lakes
@@jonathanwilliam980 lmfao heard that 3 years ago 😭💯
@@SpaceX30 didn’t know he left 3 years ago your bogus coach got suspended what twice last year? Had to run and escaped the cheating scandals going on
All Facts!! 💯
NCAA been rich players our not
They should have to pay for their education then!! They are pros now
Sabin doesn't like that Alabama doesn't have its payola advantage anymore. Now that any school can play players above board.
didnt have the adavantage and still went out and owned the sec and ended the georgia 3 peat.
Brainlet take. If that was the reason, then Alabama would have fallen off in recruiting. They never did.
It's the transfer rules basically forcing coaches to constantly recruit their own roster 24/7/365 so they don't have guys jumping ship all the time. It's causing massive burnout with coaches.
Everyone payed players 🤡!
@@RonTDB Sorry to disappoint you but only the SEC has such pronounced history of paying players. In a poll of former SEC player 67% said they got some sort of payment in violation of NCAA rules by far the highest of any Conference.
@@matthewhuszarik4173 Yeah where is your proof bro? All the powerhouses paid player's back in the day. Too bad the SEC rules college football!
At this day and age, you have to have an experienced QB to win it all. Bama was just lacking that IMO but still had a great season!
Hook’em Horns!