Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Barely anyone testing Sims these days anymore, despite them benefiting the most on modern hardware. You're our savior 🖤🖤🖤
@@bnielsen7000 Not in VR with recommended 90+fps for most humans. You and others might not use it yet, but you will sooner rather than later; same as you don't use a pre-smartphone era mobile anymore.
@@bnielsen7000 yes, but in acc for example when I want 120+ fps I have it only when server has 10 or lower players count. When 40 + i have fps drop to 60. Current setup i78700k + 3070
I noticed the same smoothness with my 7950x3D. Feels like stutters just don’t exist. With the settings I run at triple 4K. I’m getting anywhere from 10-40 more fps than my friend with identical setup except for a 13900k on iRacing. Really happy with the chip. Well done on the video. 👍
Thanks Dan. Nicely presented. And I appreciate you going up to monster resolutions, as I can take those as similar to VR performance. No chance of me affording one of these for quite some time (only just got a 5800X3D), but clearly this X3D range is here to stay, which is great.
Thanks for a great review! I had lengthy discussions on the iRacing forum and most people can’t seem to grasp what a CPU bottleneck is, maybe simracers aren’t as neardy as the rest of us! But you show perfect examples of it, great infotainment!
Thanks Dan. Stoked to have this as my new cpu, you confirmed what I was hoping for when I bought it…now I just need the rest of my components to arrive so I can start iRacing.
Thanks again for the video Dan - I ended up getting my hands on a 7950x3d (replacing the 7700X) and installed it yesterday! I too am running triple 32" 1440p 165hz monitors. Ready now for them to come out with 240hz 32s!
How does the 7950x3d go with those monitors? I have triple 32” Gigabyte screens 165hz and am replacing a ryzen 9 5900x so very keen to hear your thoughts
Dan, thanks for this review. Nice to see a processor review focused on sim-racing. Much appreciated. As for next reviews, probably the pedal set would be most interesting to me. Currently I have Thrustmaster TLCM pedal set with the RDAK racing brake mod. These work well for me...and, would like to know what might be better at what cost.
Except he didn't include the 7800 x3d... its not out yet. Everyone is just disabling some of the cores and going "Well this is how its going to run..." except its tech and everyone knows that isn't how things work.
Great video. I am really looking forward to the 7800X3D. If it gets any clos to the simulated benchmarks with the 7950X3D it is really a very interesting CPU for me
@@Mr_Latte_UK well I went with the 5800x3D but mate of mine has the 7800x3D and in game performance it's up to the 7950x3D. That's what benchmarks also show now I think
This is some really impressive tech knowledge you have. I have seen bigger tech channels with much less information and overall knowledge. I updated to the 5800X3D recently and your video makes me feel good about my choice. That ACC stat when it is even better than the 7950X is insane. I am pretty sure it is about half its price.
Dan... you are the man... as always. My z590 Hero Motherboard went out and it makes no sense to buy another for a delidded 10900k, especially when I can't be sure it's the mobo or CPU. I already have a 13900k running on a z790 Hero motherboard on my other simulator, and I don't really want to buy the same as an upgrade for this slightly older PC on my new simulator. I have 30 years experience on Intel, and even a world record for Overclocking way back when, but I've NEVER owned an AMD CPU. I also want the absolute best for VR and simracing... THANK YOU FOR THE INFO I NEEDED TO DECIDE TO GIVE THE 7950x3d and AMD a GO!
I'm massively looking forward to the 7800x3D because I'm not sure when windows will actually sort the dual ccd issues. Plus I don't do productivity bits
@@Astravall Can you tell me if other non 3D cores are used while playing. One TH-camr noticed that only 3D cores are used while playing, the rest are not active. I'm curious if all cores are used in simulation games.
@@zesietakwyraze It depends ... if the game only uses 8 cores 16 threads or less Then the other cores will be parked and not used. But Star Citizen for example uses all 16 Cores 32 threads so there all are active. parked cores are also reactivated if you start other applications such as Discord or other apps.
Concerning the "smoothness" feeling: you could use a tool like CapFrameX it will record the frametimes and show it on a graph. So you could compare the graphs. The less there are spikes the smoother the framerates are. Ideally you want small smooth band in the graph and not a Hedgehog shape with many spikes ;).
I think you meant fluid? Fluent means it speaks a language with native levels of comprehension and expression. Fluid would be better in referring to the smoothness of video rendering. BTW, your English is way better than my German (or any other language). I would describe your English as fluent. I mean to be helpful, not snarky. Regards.
If only iRacing allowed changing it's CPU affinity this might actually be a good streaming CPU for 1 PC setup with some Lasso magic... :P Are you planning to explore this topic, like Lasso OBS to non-3D cores and see what it's like with x264 and NVENC, vs baseline performance of just racing (with only AMD drivers and with non-3D CCD turned off)
I find it a little hard to believe you're only averaging 170fps on acc with the 13900k at 1080p.. I have a 13900k 6400 GSkill ram, EVGA 3080ti and a 49uw monitor and it easily gets into the 200+fps range in 1080p.. I've even been able to 1440p up into the 180-190fps on the native 1440p resolution and 240fps during practice mode. I did find 5.5-5.6ghz works best vs trying to over clock the 13900k. Guessing that's cause that the most the 3080ti can handle at 1800-1900 which is it's stock speed when set to max performance in the Nvidia control panel. Before I download all the extra software like IQue and other stuff I was able to get 200+ fps in 1440p with 25 cars on the track depending on the track.
Hi Dan, thanks as always for your videos! They are an invaluable resource for the community. Can I assume you had iRacing settings at max everything for these tests? What RAM were you using with the 5800X3D? I'm probably gonna skip this first AM5 series as the gains at 1440p triples over the 5800X3D are just not enough to justify the expense/hassle of changing out board, RAM etc. Crazy to see those 1440p stats for Long Beach, and really should put a rocket up the backside of iRacing devs to realize that they simply can't keep relying on faster CPU's when it's become clear that the gains are getting less and less especially with newer tracks, which is to be expected until they either find some more hidden stuff in DX11 or just make the move to a new API that can actually use all these friggin cores in modern PC's. They have made a small fortune since the pandemic, which we can only hope is going into the game engine. Cheers!
For future tests can you test VR since many racers are moving into VR these days since CPU’s and GPU’s can finally handle it. And it’s the most taxing in most of these sims. Even more than some tripple screens Edit: Also why did you skip the 7800x3d?? It’s supposed to be the best chip available even beyond the 7950x3d in some cases.
I get most people don't know how to or like to change settings in the bios, but the 13900k relies more heavily on memory speed without the extra v cache and it scales really well with increased speeds and lower latency timings. 6000mt is really just an AMD limit because of the infinity fabric between the ccd's and Intel ram can push to 8000mt now, so it would be nice to show what Intel is actually capable of with good ram. Intel is not touching the x3d on efficiency though, that's for sure.
Hi, you forgot rFactor 2, I play it now with the 5800x3D instead of my i7 10700k. Only in VR with the Reverb G2 and with the AMD it's amazing what boost it gives me in VR in rFactor2.enough for high details and 27 Racer in Brands Hatch or NOS24
Great video! I'm surprised a lot of reviewers have ignored the 7900X3D (GamersNexus saying it's useless to buy), but at least in Canada, it's a $200 difference to get the 7950X3D. Without doing professional work that needs the 7950X3D, I don't see the point paying $200 more for it vs the 7900X3D for purely gaming unless I'm missing something or you want the best of the best. Surely the 7900X3D benchmarks between the 7950X3D and 7800X3D simulated no?
The 7900X3D has two CCDs with 6 cores each, one CCD with 3D V-Cache and one without. Gaming is only fast when running on the CCD with 3D V-Cache. Hence, you only get 6 "gaming" cores compared to 8 with the 7950X3D and the future 7800X3D (single CCD).
@@mathijs727 iRacing doesn't use a lot of cores, it mainly pegs 1 or 2. So the 7900X3D should be faster than the 7800X3D for that use case for sure. I had a 7900X and bought a 5800X3D as a stop gap which my wife will now inherit and it was miles faster in iRacing with both triples and VR (HP G2). Most games don't utilize many cores especially well in general, which is why AMD has still faltered a bit in gaming vs brute forcing a single fast core with Intel in the past (until the 5800X3D and now).
You mean the frame rate was more stable with way less micro/nano stuttering. if you have sensitive eyes and you are used to high refresh rate you can totally feel the difference !
Hey Dan. Have you had any issues with the 7950x3d? Like blue screens or computer freezing up? Been doing sim reading and some people say it’s buggy?? Also I want the most performance for triple 1440p for iracing and acc. Would you still go 7950x3d or would you go 7800x3d for max performance? Thanks for your time.
The 7950X3D vcache module boosts to 5250MHz, while the 7800X3D will be limited to 5000MHz. Could you underclock the cpu and just run the iracing 1440p triple setup to see how big of an impact that will be?
Could you share an overview of the iRacing graphics settings you use, or at least the CPU intensive ones. Everything on high, mirror settings, shadows, etc. thanks!
On iRacing was there a difference in FPS between parking one of the CCD's and not (to simulate 7800X3D)? I'm thinking about getting the 7800X3D instead of the 7950X3D since it has more vcache and it's better for gaming, just not sure about iRacing.
Thank you so much for the video. Is there any chance you could do it for RF2 also or add it if you do a 7800x3d? If yes please state how many cars visible you set in RF2 options and chose a track like Long Beach or Daytona for worst case scenario.
Wie kommst du mit dem 5800X3D auf 221FPS AVG bei 7680x1440? Ich komme mit einer 3070 auf schmächtige ~64FPS trotz heftiger abstriche in der Grafik. Pusht die 4090 wirklich so krank bei der alten Engine?
Hi! do you think Assetto Corsa will benefit as much as ACC from x3d V-cache? I mostly play AC and i can't decide between 7800x3d and 5800x3d 😅. Thanks a lot for this review!
Hi Dan, does latest iRacing still pick proper CCD with 3D cache for you? It seems I'm stuck on the non-cache CCD no matter what I use with 7950x3d - bios settings to prefer cache or Process Lasso, nothing makes iRacing go to other CCD. Edit: 3h later after trying quite a lot of settings - it does run on the correct CCD - just leave everything on Auto in Bios😂
@Dan Suzuki thanks for the review. could you list the mainboard and ram you used as well as the power supply you use for this setup with the 4090? Thank you
Great video Dan! I can get my hands on a 7900X3D and play primarily Iracing. After watching your video - Do you see a big reason to spend the extra money for the 7950X3D?
Without having tested it .... what I see in my benchmarks is that iRacing uses 1,5 Threading of the 32 available ones .... so I doubt a 7900X3D will be significantly slower.
@@DanSuzuki Thanks so much for the reply Dan! I think I'm I will wait to get my hands on a 7950X3D as I may want to "test the water" again with ACC and from what you showed in the video I would probably regret it if not.
This all looks great, I'm trying the 7800X3D but it is a pain to get he V Cache enabled, new install of Windows and iRacing, still no go, absolutely no improvement over the 5600X at this stage, hopefully it will enable soon, X Box Game Bar s active and up to date, fresh new bios, ASus B650E-F board, latest AMD Chipset drivers, just no go, quite dissapointed but I know it's got to work one day, maybe I need to go to Win 11😢
@DanSuzuki thanks for replying, I know what you mean, unfortunately after a fresh install of windows 10 and following every suggestion I can find, the cores are not parking so it won't run in its optimised state to provide any improvements in iracing, I've been trying everything over the last few days, zero improvement at the moment. I'm sure I'll sort it one day but for now it's looking a bit beta on the Asus MB :)
@DanSuzuki cheers Dan, you're absolutely right ofcourse, I've misunderstood from watching too many videos, for some reason I'm just getting terrible performance so I'm reinstalling windows 10 again and starting fresh once more, hopefully that works. Somewhere along the way something failed or got caught up as it's just not performing well. Thanks for taking the time to reply, great content from you. I know I have a great setup, I just need to get it going correctly.
@@DanSuzuki I found the issue, I'd done something wrong and AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Service was not running, all good now, what a ripper CPU!! thanks for the help.
i wish they made AM5 DDR4 mobo's, oh well i'll just build a 5950X *( too bad they never made a 5950X3D oh well i need to stream/edit and whatnot as well as game so i can take the small FPS loss, so i can rendering faster )* based system be cheaper in the end and still game for a long long time
I know it's a long shot, but I would really like to see you test these cpu's with your old 3080. I have a limited budget and can afford something like asetek forte (currently have csl elie) or a 7950x3d setup if i don't replace my gpu (I have 8700K and 3080 now). Not really sure if the cpu is worth it with a 3080 (triple 1440p). Thanks.
Man? Gotta go with the Standard 7950x or the 7900X3D till these come available again? I'm on 3x2460x32" Curved monitors if that matters? Anyone have a suggestion?
I'm thinking to upgrade to 13600k, I'm from 12400f and it(13600k) is a budeget upgrade for me. It worth to spend around 100€ more for 13700k. They seem to be similar in gaming, it is true for iRacing enough ?
I'd like to see new tracks on future benchmarks as they use way more fps than older ones like spa. VIR, Sebring, Rudsgogen and even Daytona are having these spots on the track that eats way more fps than should.
it is not a monster if u run with all 16cores on, you need to disable the non v-cache ccd to get the best perf out of the 7950x3d ie an 200mhz oced 7800x3d in that case.
I havent seen any review where 5800x3d was performing worse than anything on ACC. On some occasions i saw it to be over 7950x3d. So what is the difference here?
this review from a finnish (?) website seems to be more inline with my results as well: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1030089998634078279/1079767572288901270/image.png now I start to wonder ... what is everyone doing differently :)
Dan have you (or anyone here) running iRacing 1440 triples upgraded from an AMD 5600x to 5800x3d? I'm running a 3080 GPU with 32 gigs DDR 4 3600mhz ram and am wondering if it's worth the upgrade cost? I'm not sure what the fps improvement would look like. Thanks.
I upgraded from the 5600x to the 5800x3d, both with a 3080Ti and same RAM specs you have. I did notice an uplift, especially on better optimized tracks... still some issues on underperfoming tracks. Unfortunately I did not benchmark it to give you some specific data, but I can say I was streaming on a different computer and now do it all on the same rig as I've noticed very little performance drop from streaming on the same rig (remember extra cores). For the price point that you can get a 5800x3d, without having to change anything else on the system I'd say yes, I'm happy with the change - just don't expect the same bump you would get if you changed to newer gen (on average I'm still running the same settings I was running with the 5600x for example, just getting more consistent fps on triple 1440p)
@@jpdmiranda Thanks very much for that analysis. It's very helpful. Hopefully someday soon iRacing will use direct x 12 which will utilize more CPU cores. Fingers crossed.🙂🏁
Mach doch mal bitte ein Benchmark mit 4090 und die anderen CPUs bei VR. Wie die reverb. g2. Ich frage mich ob ich von meinen 5800x ohne 3d Cache und ddr 4 mit 3200mhz auf ein 7800x3d mit 6000mhz ddr5 rüsten soll. Die 4090 hab ich schon.. mit acc und bitte ams2
it depends on sooo many factors, you would have to run exactly the same replay, same settings, same FOV (big impact) ... unfortauntely super hard to compare this stuff.
Wow your ACC results are totally different than from Hardware Unboxed who had the 5800X3D and 7950X3D bench very similiar results. What do you think is the difference in your testing to have such a big gap now? Timestamp to his results: th-cam.com/video/DKt7fmQaGfQ/w-d-xo.html
another review I found on a finnish (I think) website that seems to be more in line with my results. cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1030089998634078279/1079767572288901270/image.png the question is: what is done differently :D
7800X3D is going to be clocked a lot lower than the 7800X, never mind the 7950X3D. 7950X3D max clock speed is 5.7GHz, compared to 5.0GHz for the 7800X3D. All cores is 5.0GHz vs 4.6GHz. So, you'd need to underclock the 7950X3D as well as turning off half the cores. Yes, AMD has deliberately hamstrung the 7800X3D. The answer is obvious - nobody would buy the 7950X3D if the 7800X3D would get within striking distance of it. Looks like it won't.
Something don't add up here. You watch 7950x videos and iracing and the intel kills it, but yet here it's just level and beat by the 7950x. Something is not right. There is also another chip KS version and the ram is limited by what AMD can do not what intel can do. Just struggling to belove these result tbh. Mainly because other video don't match with what is for 7950x which has been out long enough now. Where is the intel stuff and pc ??? I love the stability of the intel stuff I have got and other stuff but the intel has always been the best. I would always stay intel if there is only a few FPS in it. I had chosen intel again for the new buomd with KS and 7800mhz ram. I am yet to see benchmarks using this against AMD but yet alot are very close and there is loads that are not. Just like fanboy heaven I think. How can you trust anything for results. To me this don't make sense the 7950x side of things. Obviously other videos could be wrong also.lol Intel is defo being limited here with he ram.
7950x and 13900k are very much on par depending on the replay scenario you have - in some the 13900k is better, in some the 7950x. I will never understand how people can become a fanboy of a .... chip manufacturer 😅 The intel pc is on the rig, and I only have the K version :) And yeah, with more expensive RAM and especially time spent on tuning the RAM plus OC'ing you can get more performance out of both platforms. But I think 95% of all users don't even know how to tune RAM and there are probably more people not even running eny XMP/EXPO profiles than people who really finetune it 😅 So for me getting a decently priced 6000 kit is the more realistic scenario. Absolutely agree on Intel being less problematic!
@@DanSuzuki but what intel motherboard's used ect.. All we know is the AMD is maxed out for kit Intel is not seems an unfair bench to me. You will never change my mind. KS is intel's top chip 7950x3d is amds top chip. AMD run at 6000mhz ram and tops out. Intel runs at 7600/ 8000mhz not overclocked and will be faster with the xmp setup same as and has expo. The point is this is not the top stuff for intel. U till that happens nobody can say anything about which is better, price don't matter it's about which is the fastest. It literally is like dropping slower ram in the AMD to I Tel as a comparison what is going on. Yes they are both fast and the gains are nothing, but Amd does have the upgrade path so kinda is the main reason you would go and. The problem I have any time I have switched to and it's been a nightmare system, every Intel system has been rock solid and fast or faster with older kit in real life. To me these are two very different chips requiring different thing to make them work. AMD needs the cache intel needs the KS and the ram to make each a bit better. But as it's stands this is intel second chip Vs amds best chip with best maxed out option to be at its peak. Untill we get the KS chip and the ram and the z790 board running then it's going to be the same thing over and over people are avoiding these test for some reason.
@@f1iceman453 I don't care if it changes your mind or not, that's not the intention of this video. It's an informative benchmark video of the chips and RAM I have here. Buy whatever you want - it's not like I'm sponsored by AMD or Intel. Most benchmarks that I've seen uses the same RAM across all tested CPUs and not the one you finetune to be the fastest on each CPU. Feel free to repeat the benchmark with your preferred configuration on both chips and post the results. Intel Mainboard I used was the ASUS Strix Z790-E.
I get that but all the tests are avoiding the top intel chips and ram. Might as well test i3370 vs 7950x its not top for top so means nothing really. It does mean you got what you got which is fair enough and this becomes a software issues not a chip issue to why big gains on some and not others. But i do know the ram wakesthe ks up. 10 - 15 fps.
@@f1iceman453 well yeah in a perfect world I'd love to have all the chips and ram to test everything, but reality is I have to buy 99% of the hardware myself so it gets a bit expensive for a small channel like this one 😅
@@flightbase With a full custom loop, we've been able to keep the KS significantly cooler and it's showing serious performance. Regardless, one absolutely cannot go wrong with the 7950X3D / 13900KS.
Cache sensitive scenarios such as low res. canned game benchmarks with an RTX 4090 ($2,000) benefit at the cost of everything else. Be wary of sponsored reviews with cherry picked games that showcase the wins, ignore frame drops and gloss over the losses. Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD continue to develop “Advanced Marketing” relationships with select youtubers in the hope of compensating for second tier products with first tier marketing.
Still on AM4 with a golden sample 5800X. I want to get a 5800X3D, but man do I really need it????? I race on triple 1080-27's and VR and play VRChat. My desk is a 27-1440p and 2nd. Also have a 4080.
5800X3d results are way off, something went wrong there, 5800X3d is a lot closer to new gen, 1-2% difference. Depending on the VR headset you have, with G2 and same config as yours an upgrade gave me 20% in both 1% low and average fps
I went from a 5900X to the 5800X3D after I noticed a huge CPU bottleneck on my RTX 4090. I am running the Samsung Neo G9 49" and the HP Reverb G2 VR. ACC and AMS2 are fully stutter free on both so smooth... something the 5900X wasn't able to do. It was a big upgrade for gaming in my case. Do I miss the extra cores, not really, rarely use my PC for content creation.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Barely anyone testing Sims these days anymore, despite them benefiting the most on modern hardware. You're our savior 🖤🖤🖤
No one is testing because every Racing game on the Planet runs at 60+ fps on 5 year old hardware!
@@bnielsen7000 Not in VR with recommended 90+fps for most humans.
You and others might not use it yet, but you will sooner rather than later; same as you don't use a pre-smartphone era mobile anymore.
meanwhile my 13900k / 4090 in the rig dips into the 30s 😅
@@bnielsen7000 yes, but in acc for example when I want 120+ fps I have it only when server has 10 or lower players count. When 40 + i have fps drop to 60. Current setup i78700k + 3070
@@ilyaglazunov586Definitely a cpu limit. if you got a 5800x3d or newer you’d gain a large margin in fps. Hopefully you have upgraded now though 🙏
I noticed the same smoothness with my 7950x3D. Feels like stutters just don’t exist.
With the settings I run at triple 4K. I’m getting anywhere from 10-40 more fps than my friend with identical setup except for a 13900k on iRacing.
Really happy with the chip. Well done on the video. 👍
Thanks Dan. Nicely presented. And I appreciate you going up to monster resolutions, as I can take those as similar to VR performance.
No chance of me affording one of these for quite some time (only just got a 5800X3D), but clearly this X3D range is here to stay, which is great.
5800X3D here too, i could afford the new gen, but i don’t want to spend that much
I only vr was thinking of upgrading from 5600x. Using pimax 8kx with 3080. Is it worth $300 upgrade?
Thanks for a great review! I had lengthy discussions on the iRacing forum and most people can’t seem to grasp what a CPU bottleneck is, maybe simracers aren’t as neardy as the rest of us! But you show perfect examples of it, great infotainment!
Thanks Dan. Stoked to have this as my new cpu, you confirmed what I was hoping for when I bought it…now I just need the rest of my components to arrive so I can start iRacing.
Great great coverage and "iRacing be like yeah I want 30FPS" at race starts was spot on! 😆
Woawao the effect at the beginning 👀
Thanks again for the video Dan - I ended up getting my hands on a 7950x3d (replacing the 7700X) and installed it yesterday! I too am running triple 32" 1440p 165hz monitors. Ready now for them to come out with 240hz 32s!
How does the 7950x3d go with those monitors? I have triple 32” Gigabyte screens 165hz and am replacing a ryzen 9 5900x so very keen to hear your thoughts
Yea finally someone testing racing games. Thanks for the video. Great one!
Dan, thanks for this review. Nice to see a processor review focused on sim-racing.
Much appreciated.
As for next reviews, probably the pedal set would be most interesting to me.
Currently I have Thrustmaster TLCM pedal set with the RDAK racing brake mod.
These work well for me...and, would like to know what might be better at what cost.
By VRS DFP pedals and move on. There's a reason top eSports drivers run them.
Thank you Dan by manage to include the 7800x3d at the end, was planning to get that processor for my 1st sim rig.
Except he didn't include the 7800 x3d... its not out yet. Everyone is just disabling some of the cores and going "Well this is how its going to run..." except its tech and everyone knows that isn't how things work.
Thanks again DAN! Always interesting to get your perspective on new hardware, as it pertains to us Sim Racers!
I won't be able to upgrade this generation, but it's nice to see what I'm missing!
Great video. I am really looking forward to the 7800X3D. If it gets any clos to the simulated benchmarks with the 7950X3D it is really a very interesting CPU for me
Did you ever find out?
@@Mr_Latte_UK well I went with the 5800x3D but mate of mine has the 7800x3D and in game performance it's up to the 7950x3D. That's what benchmarks also show now I think
Can confirm that the 7800x3d performs on the same as the 7950x3d, in other games better than his big brother!
This is exactly what I was waiting to see to compare this new stuff vs my 5800X3D
This is some really impressive tech knowledge you have. I have seen bigger tech channels with much less information and overall knowledge. I updated to the 5800X3D recently and your video makes me feel good about my choice. That ACC stat when it is even better than the 7950X is insane. I am pretty sure it is about half its price.
Dan... you are the man... as always. My z590 Hero Motherboard went out and it makes no sense to buy another for a delidded 10900k, especially when I can't be sure it's the mobo or CPU. I already have a 13900k running on a z790 Hero motherboard on my other simulator, and I don't really want to buy the same as an upgrade for this slightly older PC on my new simulator.
I have 30 years experience on Intel, and even a world record for Overclocking way back when, but I've NEVER owned an AMD CPU.
I also want the absolute best for VR and simracing... THANK YOU FOR THE INFO I NEEDED TO DECIDE TO GIVE THE 7950x3d and AMD a GO!
Appreciate the review, I'd suggest most people wait for the 7800x3d over the 7950x3d for a gaming rig.
So it’s more powerful or what ?
@@bmwM3M5M6 No the two chips will perform the same in gaming so don't waste money by paying extra for the 7950x3d
I'm massively looking forward to the 7800x3D because I'm not sure when windows will actually sort the dual ccd issues. Plus I don't do productivity bits
What issues? I cannot say i have any issues with my 7950X3D.
@@Astravall low perf, in some cases even slower than 7950x non x3d.
@@Astravall Can you tell me if other non 3D cores are used while playing. One TH-camr noticed that only 3D cores are used while playing, the rest are not active. I'm curious if all cores are used in simulation games.
@@zesietakwyraze It depends ... if the game only uses 8 cores 16 threads or less Then the other cores will be parked and not used. But Star Citizen for example uses all 16 Cores 32 threads so there all are active. parked cores are also reactivated if you start other applications such as Discord or other apps.
Concerning the "smoothness" feeling: you could use a tool like CapFrameX it will record the frametimes and show it on a graph. So you could compare the graphs. The less there are spikes the smoother the framerates are. Ideally you want small smooth band in the graph and not a Hedgehog shape with many spikes ;).
I’ll have a look at the graphs - I did all the benchmarks using capframex 😊
Nice review! Could the "smoothness", or more fluid nature you perceived with the 7950X3D have anything to do with an increased frame time consistency?
What else?
@@lukaskliment9646 aliens.
I think you meant fluid? Fluent means it speaks a language with native levels of comprehension and expression. Fluid would be better in referring to the smoothness of video rendering. BTW, your English is way better than my German (or any other language). I would describe your English as fluent. I mean to be helpful, not snarky. Regards.
Don't worry - always apprectiate when people point that stuff out :) And you're right, I meant fluid! :D
Thanks for continuously testing this. Luckly i can wait for a price drop with my 5800X3D
I need to see one of these but for VR performance.
If only iRacing allowed changing it's CPU affinity this might actually be a good streaming CPU for 1 PC setup with some Lasso magic... :P
Are you planning to explore this topic, like Lasso OBS to non-3D cores and see what it's like with x264 and NVENC, vs baseline performance of just racing (with only AMD drivers and with non-3D CCD turned off)
VR would be very interesting. Thanks for this great Video! Helped me a lot. Dankeschön! 😀
Great video, thank you so much!!
Awesome, thank you!!!
Hi Dan. Could you link a pic of your iracing grafics settings so I can benchmark my system and compare it to your results. Very tempted by this CPU!
Thank you for making this.
I find it a little hard to believe you're only averaging 170fps on acc with the 13900k at 1080p.. I have a 13900k 6400 GSkill ram, EVGA 3080ti and a 49uw monitor and it easily gets into the 200+fps range in 1080p.. I've even been able to 1440p up into the 180-190fps on the native 1440p resolution and 240fps during practice mode.
I did find 5.5-5.6ghz works best vs trying to over clock the 13900k. Guessing that's cause that the most the 3080ti can handle at 1800-1900 which is it's stock speed when set to max performance in the Nvidia control panel.
Before I download all the extra software like IQue and other stuff I was able to get 200+ fps in 1440p with 25 cars on the track depending on the track.
Hi Dan, thanks as always for your videos! They are an invaluable resource for the community.
Can I assume you had iRacing settings at max everything for these tests? What RAM were you using with the 5800X3D?
I'm probably gonna skip this first AM5 series as the gains at 1440p triples over the 5800X3D are just not enough to justify the expense/hassle of changing out board, RAM etc.
Crazy to see those 1440p stats for Long Beach, and really should put a rocket up the backside of iRacing devs to realize that they simply can't keep relying on faster CPU's when it's become clear that the gains are getting less and less especially with newer tracks, which is to be expected until they either find some more hidden stuff in DX11 or just make the move to a new API that can actually use all these friggin cores in modern PC's. They have made a small fortune since the pandemic, which we can only hope is going into the game engine.
Cheers!
Thanks for this! MPX wheel next please
As a VR sim racer I wonder what it would take for me to jump ship from Intel?
For future tests can you test VR since many racers are moving into VR these days since CPU’s and GPU’s can finally handle it. And it’s the most taxing in most of these sims. Even more than some tripple screens
Edit: Also why did you skip the 7800x3d?? It’s supposed to be the best chip available even beyond the 7950x3d in some cases.
I get most people don't know how to or like to change settings in the bios, but the 13900k relies more heavily on memory speed without the extra v cache and it scales really well with increased speeds and lower latency timings. 6000mt is really just an AMD limit because of the infinity fabric between the ccd's and Intel ram can push to 8000mt now, so it would be nice to show what Intel is actually capable of with good ram. Intel is not touching the x3d on efficiency though, that's for sure.
Hi, you forgot rFactor 2, I play it now with the 5800x3D instead of my i7 10700k. Only in VR with the Reverb G2 and with the AMD it's amazing what boost it gives me in VR in rFactor2.enough for high details and 27 Racer in Brands Hatch or NOS24
Great video! I'm surprised a lot of reviewers have ignored the 7900X3D (GamersNexus saying it's useless to buy), but at least in Canada, it's a $200 difference to get the 7950X3D.
Without doing professional work that needs the 7950X3D, I don't see the point paying $200 more for it vs the 7900X3D for purely gaming unless I'm missing something or you want the best of the best.
Surely the 7900X3D benchmarks between the 7950X3D and 7800X3D simulated no?
Hard to predict tbh. The 7900X3D has 6 cores on each chiplet whereas the 7800X3D "only" has the 8 V-Cache Cores.
The 7900X3D has two CCDs with 6 cores each, one CCD with 3D V-Cache and one without. Gaming is only fast when running on the CCD with 3D V-Cache. Hence, you only get 6 "gaming" cores compared to 8 with the 7950X3D and the future 7800X3D (single CCD).
@@mathijs727 iRacing doesn't use a lot of cores, it mainly pegs 1 or 2. So the 7900X3D should be faster than the 7800X3D for that use case for sure. I had a 7900X and bought a 5800X3D as a stop gap which my wife will now inherit and it was miles faster in iRacing with both triples and VR (HP G2).
Most games don't utilize many cores especially well in general, which is why AMD has still faltered a bit in gaming vs brute forcing a single fast core with Intel in the past (until the 5800X3D and now).
You mean the frame rate was more stable with way less micro/nano stuttering. if you have sensitive eyes and you are used to high refresh rate you can totally feel the difference !
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Great stuff. As always completely objective. 🎉. Wheel, shifter than pedals.
Could we get some VR benchmarks in there mate. Perhaps the G2 if you have it
nice job what about VR?
first of all hi dan
Hey Dan. Have you had any issues with the 7950x3d? Like blue screens or computer freezing up? Been doing sim reading and some people say it’s buggy??
Also I want the most performance for triple 1440p for iracing and acc. Would you still go 7950x3d or would you go 7800x3d for max performance? Thanks for your time.
Nope, runs absolutely flawless
Thanks Dan !
The 7950X3D vcache module boosts to 5250MHz, while the 7800X3D will be limited to 5000MHz. Could you underclock the cpu and just run the iracing 1440p triple setup to see how big of an impact that will be?
That's interesting, I'll try that :)
Could you share an overview of the iRacing graphics settings you use, or at least the CPU intensive ones. Everything on high, mirror settings, shadows, etc. thanks!
On iRacing was there a difference in FPS between parking one of the CCD's and not (to simulate 7800X3D)? I'm thinking about getting the 7800X3D instead of the 7950X3D since it has more vcache and it's better for gaming, just not sure about iRacing.
Thank you so much for the video. Is there any chance you could do it for RF2 also or add it if you do a 7800x3d? If yes please state how many cars visible you set in RF2 options and chose a track like Long Beach or Daytona for worst case scenario.
7800x3d review for sim racing would be great
You the man Dan!
SimRacing can be done with 5 year old hardware in UHD all maxed out with Ray Tracing!
Have a nice day!
Wie kommst du mit dem 5800X3D auf 221FPS AVG bei 7680x1440? Ich komme mit einer 3070 auf schmächtige ~64FPS trotz heftiger abstriche in der Grafik. Pusht die 4090 wirklich so krank bei der alten Engine?
Can you do a VR test too, apparently the 3D chips are very good at VR, with very low latency in sim games.
Don’t have a VR headset, sorry
@@DanSuzuki you should;-)
Thanks a lot
Hi! do you think Assetto Corsa will benefit as much as ACC from x3d V-cache? I mostly play AC and i can't decide between 7800x3d and 5800x3d 😅.
Thanks a lot for this review!
Nice review. Thanks for the video
Hi Dan, does latest iRacing still pick proper CCD with 3D cache for you? It seems I'm stuck on the non-cache CCD no matter what I use with 7950x3d - bios settings to prefer cache or Process Lasso, nothing makes iRacing go to other CCD.
Edit: 3h later after trying quite a lot of settings - it does run on the correct CCD - just leave everything on Auto in Bios😂
@Dan Suzuki thanks for the review. could you list the mainboard and ram you used as well as the power supply you use for this setup with the 4090? Thank you
Thanks!!!!!
would be curious to see how these CPUs perform in AC1 but on a large map like Shutoko
Great video Dan! I can get my hands on a 7900X3D and play primarily Iracing. After watching your video - Do you see a big reason to spend the extra money for the 7950X3D?
Without having tested it .... what I see in my benchmarks is that iRacing uses 1,5 Threading of the 32 available ones .... so I doubt a 7900X3D will be significantly slower.
@@DanSuzuki Thanks so much for the reply Dan! I think I'm I will wait to get my hands on a 7950X3D as I may want to "test the water" again with ACC and from what you showed in the video I would probably regret it if not.
@@drvegas8485 he has probably crap ram settings.
Yo. i just got a 7950x3d and i heard you and other say people that get that probably dont play 1080p. i will have u know i never play above 1080p 😋
Would love a Grid MPX review please Dan 🙏
This all looks great, I'm trying the 7800X3D but it is a pain to get he V Cache enabled, new install of Windows and iRacing, still no go, absolutely no improvement over the 5600X at this stage, hopefully it will enable soon, X Box Game Bar s active and up to date, fresh new bios, ASus B650E-F board, latest AMD Chipset drivers, just no go, quite dissapointed but I know it's got to work one day, maybe I need to go to Win 11😢
The 7800x3D only has the V Cache CCD - no need to "enable" it.
@DanSuzuki thanks for replying, I know what you mean, unfortunately after a fresh install of windows 10 and following every suggestion I can find, the cores are not parking so it won't run in its optimised state to provide any improvements in iracing, I've been trying everything over the last few days, zero improvement at the moment. I'm sure I'll sort it one day but for now it's looking a bit beta on the Asus MB :)
But a 7800X3D shouldn’t park any cores since it only has the 8 „fast“ cores
@DanSuzuki cheers Dan, you're absolutely right ofcourse, I've misunderstood from watching too many videos, for some reason I'm just getting terrible performance so I'm reinstalling windows 10 again and starting fresh once more, hopefully that works. Somewhere along the way something failed or got caught up as it's just not performing well. Thanks for taking the time to reply, great content from you. I know I have a great setup, I just need to get it going correctly.
@@DanSuzuki I found the issue, I'd done something wrong and AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Service was not running, all good now, what a ripper CPU!! thanks for the help.
I know this video is 6 months old but be nice if you showed what graphic settings your using for each sim
what filter are you using on the replay to make iracing look the way you do...thanks man.....I run a 3900x with a 3080.....
i wish they made AM5 DDR4 mobo's, oh well i'll just build a 5950X *( too bad they never made a 5950X3D oh well i need to stream/edit and whatnot as well as game so i can take the small FPS loss, so i can rendering faster )* based system be cheaper in the end and still game for a long long time
Dan did you ever compare (not just simulated) the 7800x3d to the 7950X3d with ACC or know which one is best?
Would be great to see an updated video
No, don’t have that processor
Asus AM5 Motherboard and DRR5 6000 ram sitting on a bench..... patiently waiting for the release of the 7800x3d..... the suspense is killing me.
Which mbo and ddr did you bought?
@@warden8288 Asus b650 tuf, Kingston DDR 6000 cl32. 3d cache isn't as fussy about timings
I know it's a long shot, but I would really like to see you test these cpu's with your old 3080. I have a limited budget and can afford something like asetek forte (currently have csl elie) or a 7950x3d setup if i don't replace my gpu (I have 8700K and 3080 now). Not really sure if the cpu is worth it with a 3080 (triple 1440p). Thanks.
Thanks to you for the video to play in 3 ercans 4k the best for you is the Intel or AMD? With a 4090
Thanks to you
No way you only have 30k followers!
Man? Gotta go with the Standard 7950x or the 7900X3D till these come available again? I'm on 3x2460x32" Curved monitors if that matters? Anyone have a suggestion?
I'm thinking to upgrade to 13600k, I'm from 12400f and it(13600k) is a budeget upgrade for me.
It worth to spend around 100€ more for 13700k. They seem to be similar in gaming, it is true for iRacing enough ?
Any changes, improvements when using VR for the new AMD chip
on hp pro vr what res should i am for i have a 5800x3d with the 3080 and 32 gig of ram
Simtek pedals next, por favor.
I'd like to see new tracks on future benchmarks as they use way more fps than older ones like spa. VIR, Sebring, Rudsgogen and even Daytona are having these spots on the track that eats way more fps than should.
Long Beach is the biggest fps killer of all the tracks that I tried :)
deterMINE monkaS
it is not a monster if u run with all 16cores on, you need to disable the non v-cache ccd to get the best perf out of the 7950x3d ie an 200mhz oced 7800x3d in that case.
Doesn’t have a big impact in the Simracing games - actually runs a little slower then (see simulated 7800 results)
@@DanSuzuki one game was done with the non v-cache disabled, the other was processor lasso wasn't it?
I havent seen any review where 5800x3d was performing worse than anything on ACC. On some occasions i saw it to be over 7950x3d. So what is the difference here?
this review from a finnish (?) website seems to be more inline with my results as well: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1030089998634078279/1079767572288901270/image.png
now I start to wonder ... what is everyone doing differently :)
@@DanSuzuki i didnt say that u benefit from giving wrong results i just wonder what the others do differently
@@Icy20 all good, that was a reponse to some comment that was deleted I think, so it looked weird :D
I need to stop watching your benchmarks because now I want to go buy this CPU 😂
I'm sorry 😄
Dan have you (or anyone here) running iRacing 1440 triples upgraded from an AMD 5600x to 5800x3d? I'm running a 3080 GPU with 32 gigs DDR 4 3600mhz ram and am wondering if it's worth the upgrade cost? I'm not sure what the fps improvement would look like. Thanks.
Not iRacing, but AMS2 and even Raceroom improved massively for me from a topend 3950 to 5800x3d. These chips are magic.
I upgraded from the 5600x to the 5800x3d, both with a 3080Ti and same RAM specs you have. I did notice an uplift, especially on better optimized tracks... still some issues on underperfoming tracks. Unfortunately I did not benchmark it to give you some specific data, but I can say I was streaming on a different computer and now do it all on the same rig as I've noticed very little performance drop from streaming on the same rig (remember extra cores). For the price point that you can get a 5800x3d, without having to change anything else on the system I'd say yes, I'm happy with the change - just don't expect the same bump you would get if you changed to newer gen (on average I'm still running the same settings I was running with the 5600x for example, just getting more consistent fps on triple 1440p)
@@jpdmiranda Thanks very much for that analysis. It's very helpful. Hopefully someday soon iRacing will use direct x 12 which will utilize more CPU cores. Fingers crossed.🙂🏁
@@mrb552 oh yeah for sure... The biggest uplift though would probably be a new game engine 😂
MrB 55, did you go ahead with he upgrade? I'm also confused with same question. Thanks
Is your last name from Japan?
All x3d chips are epic. But 7950x3d is better than 7800x3d. That is it. Both are great but the 1st is the best
Mach doch mal bitte ein Benchmark mit 4090 und die anderen CPUs bei VR. Wie die reverb. g2. Ich frage mich ob ich von meinen 5800x ohne 3d Cache und ddr 4 mit 3200mhz auf ein 7800x3d mit 6000mhz ddr5 rüsten soll. Die 4090 hab ich schon.. mit acc und bitte ams2
how do you benchmark vr though?
@@DanSuzuki I am not an expert so I asking you 😉
No clue about Vr 😅
Those loadcell pedals review could be good for people who wants to replace their generic pedals to loadcell.
will there be a test with the real 7800X3D?
very unlikely
@@DanSuzuki F
13600k with 4080 i have with epic 4k 150min 180 average in acc. Something is wrong with your benchmarks.Same track 1st lap.
it depends on sooo many factors, you would have to run exactly the same replay, same settings, same FOV (big impact) ... unfortauntely super hard to compare this stuff.
@@DanSuzuki Do you remember your gpu usage in 4k? I bet its the ram.
Wow your ACC results are totally different than from Hardware Unboxed who had the 5800X3D and 7950X3D bench very similiar results.
What do you think is the difference in your testing to have such a big gap now?
Timestamp to his results: th-cam.com/video/DKt7fmQaGfQ/w-d-xo.html
Just redid the benchmark since that seems odd and can only confirm the numbers I'm getting. Weird. I do use the Epic Preset though.
another review I found on a finnish (I think) website that seems to be more in line with my results. cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1030089998634078279/1079767572288901270/image.png
the question is: what is done differently :D
@@DanSuzuki how many AI opponents during your test? Thanks
@@dmf7400 no AI, I used a real multiplayer race replay.
7800X3D is going to be clocked a lot lower than the 7800X, never mind the 7950X3D. 7950X3D max clock speed is 5.7GHz, compared to 5.0GHz for the 7800X3D. All cores is 5.0GHz vs 4.6GHz. So, you'd need to underclock the 7950X3D as well as turning off half the cores.
Yes, AMD has deliberately hamstrung the 7800X3D. The answer is obvious - nobody would buy the 7950X3D if the 7800X3D would get within striking distance of it. Looks like it won't.
Seems to be 5250mhz vs 5000mhz. The 3D Cache chiplet does not do the 5.7ghz, only the "normal" one does.
@@DanSuzuki yeah, so around 5% or so - I know they don't always scale exactly. Which would bring it close to the 7900X maybe?
The best ? Its a 8 core chip with imposter syndrome
Something don't add up here.
You watch 7950x videos and iracing and the intel kills it, but yet here it's just level and beat by the 7950x.
Something is not right.
There is also another chip KS version and the ram is limited by what AMD can do not what intel can do.
Just struggling to belove these result tbh.
Mainly because other video don't match with what is for 7950x which has been out long enough now.
Where is the intel stuff and pc ???
I love the stability of the intel stuff I have got and other stuff but the intel has always been the best.
I would always stay intel if there is only a few FPS in it.
I had chosen intel again for the new buomd with KS and 7800mhz ram.
I am yet to see benchmarks using this against AMD but yet alot are very close and there is loads that are not.
Just like fanboy heaven I think.
How can you trust anything for results.
To me this don't make sense the 7950x side of things.
Obviously other videos could be wrong also.lol
Intel is defo being limited here with he ram.
7950x and 13900k are very much on par depending on the replay scenario you have - in some the 13900k is better, in some the 7950x. I will never understand how people can become a fanboy of a .... chip manufacturer 😅
The intel pc is on the rig, and I only have the K version :) And yeah, with more expensive RAM and especially time spent on tuning the RAM plus OC'ing you can get more performance out of both platforms. But I think 95% of all users don't even know how to tune RAM and there are probably more people not even running eny XMP/EXPO profiles than people who really finetune it 😅 So for me getting a decently priced 6000 kit is the more realistic scenario.
Absolutely agree on Intel being less problematic!
@@DanSuzuki but what intel motherboard's used ect..
All we know is the AMD is maxed out for kit Intel is not seems an unfair bench to me.
You will never change my mind.
KS is intel's top chip 7950x3d is amds top chip.
AMD run at 6000mhz ram and tops out.
Intel runs at 7600/ 8000mhz not overclocked and will be faster with the xmp setup same as and has expo.
The point is this is not the top stuff for intel.
U till that happens nobody can say anything about which is better, price don't matter it's about which is the fastest.
It literally is like dropping slower ram in the AMD to I Tel as a comparison what is going on.
Yes they are both fast and the gains are nothing, but Amd does have the upgrade path so kinda is the main reason you would go and.
The problem I have any time I have switched to and it's been a nightmare system, every Intel system has been rock solid and fast or faster with older kit in real life.
To me these are two very different chips requiring different thing to make them work.
AMD needs the cache intel needs the KS and the ram to make each a bit better.
But as it's stands this is intel second chip Vs amds best chip with best maxed out option to be at its peak.
Untill we get the KS chip and the ram and the z790 board running then it's going to be the same thing over and over people are avoiding these test for some reason.
@@f1iceman453 I don't care if it changes your mind or not, that's not the intention of this video. It's an informative benchmark video of the chips and RAM I have here. Buy whatever you want - it's not like I'm sponsored by AMD or Intel. Most benchmarks that I've seen uses the same RAM across all tested CPUs and not the one you finetune to be the fastest on each CPU. Feel free to repeat the benchmark with your preferred configuration on both chips and post the results.
Intel Mainboard I used was the ASUS Strix Z790-E.
I get that but all the tests are avoiding the top intel chips and ram.
Might as well test i3370 vs 7950x its not top for top so means nothing really.
It does mean you got what you got which is fair enough and this becomes a software issues not a chip issue to why big gains on some and not others.
But i do know the ram wakesthe ks up.
10 - 15 fps.
@@f1iceman453 well yeah in a perfect world I'd love to have all the chips and ram to test everything, but reality is I have to buy 99% of the hardware myself so it gets a bit expensive for a small channel like this one 😅
Now compare the 13900KS.
Unfortunately don't have that one :(
Thats just a binned 13900K. It may gain some few %, but you`ll benefit more replacing that 280 AIO by a proper cooling.
@@flightbase highest temp during the benchmakrs was 64c :D
@@flightbase With a full custom loop, we've been able to keep the KS significantly cooler and it's showing serious performance. Regardless, one absolutely cannot go wrong with the 7950X3D / 13900KS.
Cache sensitive scenarios such as low res. canned game benchmarks with an RTX 4090 ($2,000) benefit at the cost of everything else. Be wary of sponsored reviews with cherry picked games that showcase the wins, ignore frame drops and gloss over the losses. Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD continue to develop “Advanced Marketing” relationships with select youtubers in the hope of compensating for second tier products with first tier marketing.
Awesome Review Thanks Dan! Anyone have an idea when these will come available again?
Still on AM4 with a golden sample 5800X. I want to get a 5800X3D, but man do I really need it?????
I race on triple 1080-27's and VR and play VRChat. My desk is a 27-1440p and 2nd. Also have a 4080.
5800X3d results are way off, something went wrong there, 5800X3d is a lot closer to new gen, 1-2% difference. Depending on the VR headset you have, with G2 and same config as yours an upgrade gave me 20% in both 1% low and average fps
I went from a 5900X to the 5800X3D after I noticed a huge CPU bottleneck on my RTX 4090. I am running the Samsung Neo G9 49" and the HP Reverb G2 VR. ACC and AMS2 are fully stutter free on both so smooth... something the 5900X wasn't able to do. It was a big upgrade for gaming in my case. Do I miss the extra cores, not really, rarely use my PC for content creation.