Thanks for all the information I really enjoy watching your videos unfortunately I still can’t get the nettle to bring up the thread. It worked when I got it two days ago but it was really stiff so I greased and oiled it and now it runs smooth but I still have the thread nettle problem. I did everything you mentioned over and over. I hate to send it back but I’ve been working on it for two days. Keep up the good work. Skip Franklin
Thank you, Harrison. My machine just arrived and I'm watching your videos again for cleaning etc. Thank you for sharing your experience and the retail parts website. I appreciate your expertise .
I sure am glad I found your channel. I just got my patcher, wound the bobbin by hand since the winder it comes with doesn’t spin and went to put it all back together again and realized what I already knew really, that I don’t know how to install it lol. I’ll be watching all your videos. I really enjoyed the 2 I watched and you make it really easy to inderstand since I have zero sewing machine experience
Thanks for all your excellent videos Harrison. Got my machine this morning. Unpack it, followed your instructions and bob’s your uncle…work like a charm!!
Hi Many thanks for those helpful videos . When I got the machine there was nothing at all in french to set the machine . Hopefully I bumped into your videos that covered all I needed . You made a great job . Take care . Paco from France .
Thank you so much for going over this again! I'm having trouble getting it back into the machine. Could you review that please and maybe show what position all the piece should be in and what it looks like during movement?? Thanks!
Mine has the same problem. It does pick up the bobbin thread but not all the way to the top of the leather. I can easily pull out the bobbin thread in the leather.
I know you've done a few of these videos but thank you for doing so many. In each one I learn a little more about how to make the machine work the way it should (or at least how I want it to). My wife and I just bought one and we're trying to get the tension right. We've broken two needles this evening and we're taking a break until I've ground the bobbin carrier and polished the bobbins. The tension through the holes and under the spring seem fine but the reel seems to stick in the holder so, fingers crossed, we'll resolve that issue with metal polish. :)
THANK YOU! Exactly the video I needed! I would love to see some project videos from you where you go through thread types, stitch length, and any other tips and tricks!
Thanks for another good follow up video on this machine. I did a knee operated pressor foot lifter that came out better than I thought it would. It is very simple, made from common hardware store materials, hacksaw, vise for bending, drill and a screwdriver. I made a simple wood frame from pallet wood, but mostly to raise it up so I can used a “C” clamp to place it on the edge on my Juki bench. Just send me a message for photos and directions if it all works. I am tall, so I did this with the idea of leaving both hands free. Thanks again.
I have 20 some photos to send to anyone who want to lift pressor foot with knee. No spoof, just rod bar, pivots front and rear with linkage going to are next to cam. I drilled small hole even made knee pad adjustable. Looks like the same on on my Juki DDL-5550, as I use “C” clamp to hold it on same table, in front of Juki. Can switch from machine to machine in less time than it take to change thread color!
@@deankay4434 I really like a leg lift it frees up your hands, gives you more range of movement, increases efficiency, and added safety when operating a machine. Thank you
When you threaded the line through the bobbin you weren't in camera view. Move your hand a little higher so the action is in view. Great info. I just purchased this machine but haven't set it up yet. Very helpful info for Steve up, nwedles and thread selection. Thx so much.
Enjoying your videos on the Chinese sewing machine! We are having problems with the top and bottom threads being loopy! The bottom worse than the top! Watched videos on tension but haven’t been able to fix our problem! Any suggestions!
A general tension tip is: If loops on the bottom, tighten the upper. If loops on the top, tighten the lower or loosen the top. What thread and thread holder are y'all using?
This is the problem I am having. My top stitch is good. My bottom is loopy. Trying to figure out how to tighten up the loops on the bottom. So you mean to eliminate the bottom loops, tighten the top thread?
Dear Harrison, thank you for posting all the tutorials. I could not have made my machine work without your help. Thank you. Question: the nut on the crank kept loosening itself as I turn the crank. Why is it; and how to fix it? Thank you.
On most Singer sewing machines the tension is adjusted by tightening or loosening the screw in the spring. Also, the spring can be bent slightly by removing it and bending it a little bit. It doesn't require a lot of tension on the bobbin and usually, the top tension is much higher than the bottom tension. Just adjust the top tension until the thread has knotted in the middle of the leather. If the top tension is too low you will see it pulled to or even out of the bottom of the material. If the top tension is too high you will see the thread pulled to or through the top of the material. This is true for most of the sewing machines that I am familiar with. Have fun!
You helped a great deal . My thread kept bunching up below and the machine wasn't feeding/advancing properly. Turned out it was a combo of the cams at the back and needle depth Your help is invaluable.
Thanks to all your videos I got my machine working at last. One thing I had to do was to make the small hole in the swiveling piece covering the bobbin case slightly larger as I noticed the thread was rubbing against the side of the hole and breaking after a few stitches. The needle or tension wasn't the problem. Next I have to figure out a non fiddly way of winding bobbins.Your idea of a slow hand held screwdriver is good but you still need 3 hands.
I use my pocketknife to put the thread under the tension spring works good to . Thanks for the other advice about holes to use for thick and thin threads .
My new machine arrived today and if it wasen't for your videos It would be impossible too set up. The cams were way out of time, the bobin shuttle was out of adjustment and the instructions are a joke. Thanks for the great videos.
In order to sew with the machine, do I need a separate spool of thread mounted on the thread holder post on the back of the machine and also the same thread loaded around the bobbin in the front sewing shuttle well?
Good afternoon. I’m still trying to get my machine working. I have noticed that the needle is almost touching the pressure foot. I’m wondering if this might be my problem. My thread cutting before it picks up the thread from the bobbin. Does this make sense?
My machine came with 2 bobbin shuttles. One has a spring and one doesn't. Super thick threads will sew alright without the spring but it won't pull tight in thicker material.
@@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks I wish TH-cam had DM capability, but I wanted share some ideas with you. I recently (accidentally) purchased some 130/21 needles and realized when they arrived that they didn't have the flat shank. I carefully installed them in the right orientation and BAM they worked perfectly. -- I got some "D" needles for sewing 2 layers of 1/4" vegtan (holsters). I was worried the needle would collide with the shuttle or something but none of that was an issue, they popped right in and ran smooth without even adjusting the machine. I got the needles from www.thethreadexchange.com Always fun when you make a discovery from a simple mistake :D
That's awesome, thanks for sharing your mistake. LOL I just went through my bag of extra parts and I was sent an extra bobbin shuttle without a spring too. There is nothing different between the two shuttles other than the missing spring. So with all of that said, I am going to guess it's a replacement part and will need a spring added to it to allow it to work properly. I have heard of people sewing without it, but they eventually run into some issues.
Yes: th-cam.com/video/XJAhqb9tNpc/w-d-xo.html Start with the cams, then go on to the bobbin, then adjust the pitman rod to fine tune the bobbin timing.
Good morning Harrison. I’m having some problems. One of the cams is rubbing on the shaft that move the presser foot. It is starting to wear. When I move the crank it resists about the 11 o’clock position. The bobbin isn’t picking up and cutting the needle thread. It was running great a few days ago. I don’t know what happened. I changed bobbins, thread, (both bobbin and needle), changed the crank below the bobbin and adjusted the crank shaft. What else?
Last resort you probably wont have to you could bend the iron back until it makes contact with the cam probably not. Check the bolt that goes through that arm they bend, wear, get sticky from dust, or they are just a junk bolt from day one. I replaced every nut, bolt, screw, washer, and fastener with brand new grade 8 from the Auto parts store. Place a nylon bushing between the arm and machine space it so it is not binding. I had to use nylon bushings on all of the arms they are pretty cheap and they are not going to oxidize or cause corrosion. As for oiling your machine I highly recommend Lily White Oil aka 100% pure non staining mineral oil because you do not want anything that is going to be gummy. These machines are crude, annoying, and require a lot of tinkering, cleaning, polishing, and fine tuning before they will stitch 3 yards without missing a stitch. On those cams and bushings I have used a very light film of white lubriplate engine assembly lubricant or black moly engine assembly lubricant it reduces the mess of the oil. Look at the spring that pulls tension on the arm they fall off or break. My machine didn't come with that outside spring on the arm so I found another spring at a hardware store. Even the presser foot springs on the nut I replaced those on my machine before they broke. Don't give up you can make it work its just part of learning. You can have these same annoying problems with a $3000 Industrial sewing machine. Check for little pieces of thread stuck in spots in these machines where you don't think it will go when that happens they love to act up. Hopefully I was able to help you out.
Check the little bearings on the ends of the arms in the hand wheel I had a little piece of thread get in one and cause it to bind. Needle bar adjustment check it. With the top thread going through place the shuttle in slowly turn the handle watch and see if it grabs the loop. When you set your timing on the shuttle watch at what point does the hook pull the loop of your thread. The handle at 12 o clock position I marked my wheel with a tab and dots for timing because some shuttles in these machines you have to fine tune them back or forward a tooth timing them.
Where you had your machine running fine and it stopped after changing the thread/bobbin I am going to guess it's a timing issue. Plus you moved the cams, so more than likely that's what cause the issues. We should meet up again on the video chat before you go changing things again
@@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks My machine is operating perfectly fine for medium and heavy work. I have modified a second needle bar so I can use industrial sewing machine needles they last longer. The only challenge I have with my machine is that I have a more difficult time getting it to do a nice job sewing long straight lines on light cloth like muslin or linen yet it is not made for that application. No problems with a patch/mend on light items. These machines are fun for learning, for teaching others, great as a backup machine, for patch/mend projects, hobby, home, a helpful little home machine, and they are a great starter machine. After a while a person will outgrow this cobbler machine, figure out its limitations, limited availability of parts, and want something else. From my own experience I would recommend anyone who is going to actually sew medium to heavy material every day of the week to keep sewing with what you have, save your money and buy a brand new or good used Industrial sewing machine with a clutch motor made by Pfaff, Consew, Juki, Chandler, Singer Industrial or any other brand of their choice. Change it up keep practicing and having fun. I love sewing it doesn't get boring and your constantly learning something new every single day. Thank you
Good morning. We spoke previously. This is Bill Skehan. My machine sews, but the stitches are loose and wide. I have tried the bobbin and tighten it. But still loose.
Look at the adjustment screw on the arm that runs off the inside cam. Now you should see a little screw going through the the cast frame back away from where the head bolts to the top with a little coil spring under it on the frame controlling the stitch length and turn it in a little bit this will adjust the length of your stitch. If that doesn't work check the spring tension of the 2 coil springs right behind this adjustment. I have had this problem with my machine too. Hopefully this helps you.
@@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks oh ok i believe that I have it adjust right because when I crank it I feel the neddle at the bottom of the arm that bearly touches my finger maybe I need to bring it down a hair more what do you think thanks
My string is bunching up in the bobbin case. Is there a way to prevent this? Bobbin was installed as you did here and the tension is such on top now that the string does not break. I just get a mess of sting inside the bobbin area.
Harrison, recently got my machine and I noticed that my bobbins sit with the top edge about 1-2 mm above the carrier. Is this a problem? Should the bobbins be flush?
The words on the screen are covering up the bobbin when you are holding it and I can’t see which holes you are talking about. Your information about these machines is really well done😊
IDEA CHALLENGE: Instead of re-winding bobbins, I think if you drilled a hole in the right spot, you could feed thread from a full spool on to the bobbin, wrap it around the bobbin a few times and then on to wherever it goes. What do you think?
Very new to these machines and trying to get a better sense of what people actually mean when they describe thick or thin threads. Would you consider size 69 thread to be thick or thin? Would love to know which set of bobbin holes you would recommend for that thread spec. Thanks for the great videos Harrison!
HI JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THE WAY I THREAD MY MACHINE INSTEAD OF THE NEEDLE ROD I USE COMPERESSED AIR FROM MY COMPUTER DESK,, I START THE THREAD DOWN THE HOLE A WAYS HIT IT WITH THESTRAW ON A COMPRESSED CAN OF AIR AND IT GOES RIGHT THREW TO THE NEEDLE,,,, JUST SAYING TY
My needle keeps braking. I have tried everything I can think of. I will start stitching. Goes g9od for about two cranks then snap or a hang up like it hits something hard.
I would recommend resetting the needle. There are three bolts under the sewing arm you can loosen up. After loosing those bolts you can lower the needle into the bobbin well to center the needle. Once you have it centered leave the needle down and tighten up the bolts.
Thanks for the video. I am looking into making some redisigning of the shuttle tension system on my machine. I have it working with 277 thread and 25 ga needles. I want to try 307 thread. I know the top half of the mqchine will do it, but the shuttle tension is going to give me issues. With the thicker thread im using the hole furthest from the spring screw and the screw just tight enough to hold the spring, and this is still too much tension. To compensate, i have to use both tensioners at the top. One is fully thight, and the other is about half way tight. If you need pictures of the mods i had to do to fit the 25 needle in there, let me know. Right now i’m pushing this thing with a 25 ga needle, 277 thread tru 4 layers of 8-9 oz veg tan. Aabout 3/4”. It works, but it’s a bit cumbersome. It takes 2 hands to turn the wheel, and then on the upstroke i have to help the presser foot stay down, because the thick leather holds on to the needle tight enough to lift the presser foot which is as tight as it will go.
I would try bending the tension spring to cut back on the drag. If that works I would buy another shuttle case so I could switch back to the thinner stuff. Maybe play around with a lighter spring material. For the presser foot I am not sure how to make that any better, your kind of at the limits of the machine. Thank you for all your hard work and tips!!
Hi, I am having the hardest time with this. Every time I try to use the sewing machine the thread loops at the bottom are either too loose or everything gets jammed up in the bobbin case aka a birds nest.
I have tried everything! I have watched every video. My thread breaks every time on the 1st stitch. My bobbin thread is good. I have filed everything. I have changed out needles. I am about to go crazy trying to get this machine figured out!
My stitch length is too small? I've tried adjusting using the bolt and it only gets smaller not larger even when the bolt is nearly all the way out. It looks like my foot may be going down before it moves forward instead of forward and down to move the leather along.
Harrison Have been watching all your videos on the patcher. Great stuff keep it up please they have helped a lot. OK my question. I want to upgrade my machine with an adjustable materials guide. I will have to weld on the sheet metal bobbin cover. I would prefer to find another one so if things don't work out and I ruin mine I have a back up. pluse you may not want the guide on there all the time. D you know where I can purchas one of these covers to save me from making one ?? Thank you
You can run plastic bobbins or aluminum in these machines. The bobbin shuttle on these patcher machines should be the same size as the singer 29k with the smaller shuttle and bobbin. I have used magnetic guides on my machine and have not had any problems. You could place a tiny piece of felt or a small spring applying just enough pressure on top of the bobbin I have seen that done before on sewing machines. Hopefully you find something that works.
I am sorry, I completely forgot to add them. All fixed now. Here is the link for the spare tension clip and screw: www.bantamsaddletack.com/Spare-tension-clip-screw-for-Patcher-Sewing-Machine-shuttle-hook_p_52.html and here is the one for the threader rod: www.bantamsaddletack.com/Threader-for-Chinese-Patcher-Sewing-Machine_p_56.html
Hi i was trying to adjust the tension so the stitches locked in the centre, i broke the needle whilst sewing,replaced needle but the thread pulled everything out bobbin SHUTTLE and the plate with the cogs on it,I have done what you suggested in your video, but the top thread is now getting caught under the bobbin shuttle which ejects it out of the machine, i have spent hours trying to reset it, to no avail. I have replaced the needle with one that came with it.watched your video, and tried again it threw out the shuttle, patience is now wearing thin, HELP PLEASE Briony
there is one other thing you missed, what about the other part where you put the bobbin? in which position you drop the bobbin in it. I do not know if I am being clear! does it matter what position you pu it in? I
I am pretty thorough when it comes to making these sewing videos, so I don't think I missed anything. This is a follow up video to the original video I put out called "How to Set up your Chinese leather patcher Sewing Machine". Have you seen that video? If not watch that one first and then return to this video to make sure I didn't miss something. Here is a Link to that video: th-cam.com/video/tWgxzSCZxrQ/w-d-xo.html
I just purchased one of these machines, from Amazon, however it has 2 tension discs. I have threaded and rethreaded both the top thread as well as watching your bobbin videos over and over and this machine will NOT draw up the monofilament thread from the bobbin and it keeps breaking the top thread. WHAT do I do?? I have a project that is covering some chairs with vinyl and I can not afford an industrial electric machine this is holding up my project and my client is NOT Happy about the delay.
Hey man your love ur videos but i still have one problem with my machine wen im stitching on the top it looks fine but on the bottom its vary lose please let me know what i can do about it and thank you
If the slack is on the bottom of your sewing project the top tension needs to be tighter, If the slack is on the top of your sewing project you need to make the bobbin tension tighter.
Why does my top thread keep breaking? its a recent problem and all my projects have roughly the same thread size? I've tried different thread but i can't seem to figure it out every time i get about 4 stitches in, it snaps (top thread) HELP
I agree with manly acres. Are you using the correct size needle with your thread? I have no idea what threads you use I have needles with a longer slot from size #18 to #22 they work better with certain thread types and sizes I use. Look up the needle and thread test if you don't know how to do it some threads and needles don't work very well together. #18 HAx1 Organ sharp point needle with with 92 bonded polyester upholstery thread or 69 bonded polyester thread works just fine. Could be the the thread check for ragged or rough spots I have had to toss junk thread.
The threads always broke, especially the top thread, i bypassed the top tensioner and not using the lower tension on the bobbin shuttle, still the same. it looked like the top thread line jammed inside the bobbin shuttle while making knot with the lower threads, is it too tight fit of the shuttle? it does pick up the lower bobbin line, hope you have tips for thread breaking, thanks
Check the travel of your thread from the tensioners to the hole where you loop it through and feed it down the needle bar see if you have anything grabbing it like that little spring I had to de burr and adjust that little spring. I remember a burr at the bottom indide of the needle bar I had to smooth out of my machine.
Hi every time I try to bring the bobbin thread up to start sewing it gets jammed/ or cut off. Is it because the tension is too tight? Without the thread and bobbin it seems to be running smoothly.
@@brenescutin Agreed with Ma. Out of curiosity what needle size ? What needle type ? Can you pull the bobbin thread up through the hole with the top thread by slowly turning the crank watching the needle go down and seeing the loop come through with the bobbin thread? Hopefully that made sense. I have done a lot of sewing and wrenching with my annoying Chinese cobbler machine I use it every day of the week. Someday I will be able to replace it with a industrial cylinder bed type machine. However these are great for learning, and importantly having fun.
Hey I’m having a problem where when I’m sewing the thread from my bobbin isn’t tight down on my material it open loops on the material and not tight down to the material. I’ve tried changing the tension nothings working!
Tension upper and lower even ? Are you turning the hand wheel full steady rotations completing each stitch ? I ask myself these questions when my patcher is acting up.
I'm two years late to this question, but I'm having the same issue: loose stiches with a small loop on top of the material at every stitch. PITA to find information on the fix.
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I did it I did it I did it... thank you so much! I’ve freaking got it .. it works so much better than expected! Right on dude!! Right on!!!!👍🏻👍🏽👍🏾
Glad I could help
Thanks for all the information I really enjoy watching your videos unfortunately I still can’t get the nettle to bring up the thread. It worked when I got it two days ago but it was really stiff so I greased and oiled it and now it runs smooth but I still have the thread nettle problem. I did everything you mentioned over and over. I hate to send it back but I’ve been working on it for two days.
Keep up the good work.
Skip Franklin
Thank you, Harrison. My machine just arrived and I'm watching your videos again for cleaning etc. Thank you for sharing your experience and the retail parts website. I appreciate your expertise .
I sure am glad I found your channel. I just got my patcher, wound the bobbin by hand since the winder it comes with doesn’t spin and went to put it all back together again and realized what I already knew really, that I don’t know how to install it lol. I’ll be watching all your videos. I really enjoyed the 2 I watched and you make it really easy to inderstand since I have zero sewing machine experience
Awesome, thanks for commenting!!
Thanks for all your excellent videos Harrison.
Got my machine this morning. Unpack it, followed your instructions and bob’s your uncle…work like a charm!!
Your videos are eminently popular and rightfully so. You are certainly sharing your experience. Good job, Sir.
Thank you very much!
You are my hero! Thanks man, you and I we are friend now :) loves from Turkiye
You do an excellent job with your videos. My machine should be here tomorrow and you've really helped me prepare for it. Thank you again.
Hi Many thanks for those helpful videos . When I got the machine there was nothing at all in french to set the machine . Hopefully I bumped into your videos that covered all I needed .
You made a great job . Take care . Paco from France .
I am happy I could help out.
Thank you very much...ordered 2 springs and 5 extra bobbins...very insightful!!
I was wondering what that 3rd hole was for...had me scratching my head
Excellent!
Thank you so much for this video. Finally figured out why my thread was so loose. This video helped me out so much. Thanks again
Great to hear!
Thank you so much for going over this again! I'm having trouble getting it back into the machine. Could you review that please and maybe show what position all the piece should be in and what it looks like during movement?? Thanks!
I learned something. The bobbin tension and the thread tension need to be roughly equal. Thank you.
Happy to help!! Thank you for the view and comment
Mine has the same problem. It does pick up the bobbin thread but not all the way to the top of the leather. I can easily pull out the bobbin thread in the leather.
I know you've done a few of these videos but thank you for doing so many. In each one I learn a little more about how to make the machine work the way it should (or at least how I want it to). My wife and I just bought one and we're trying to get the tension right. We've broken two needles this evening and we're taking a break until I've ground the bobbin carrier and polished the bobbins. The tension through the holes and under the spring seem fine but the reel seems to stick in the holder so, fingers crossed, we'll resolve that issue with metal polish. :)
If you need any further help I am available for video chat.
THANK YOU! Exactly the video I needed! I would love to see some project videos from you where you go through thread types, stitch length, and any other tips and tricks!
Thanks for another good follow up video on this machine.
I did a knee operated pressor foot lifter that came out better than I thought it would. It is very simple, made from common hardware store materials, hacksaw, vise for bending, drill and a screwdriver.
I made a simple wood frame from pallet wood, but mostly to raise it up so I can used a “C” clamp to place it on the edge on my Juki bench. Just send me a message for photos and directions if it all works. I am tall, so I did this with the idea of leaving both hands free. Thanks again.
Good deal!! I would love to check out the completed presser foot lifter.
A leg lift is a brilliant idea thank you.
I have 20 some photos to send to anyone who want to lift pressor foot with knee. No spoof, just rod bar, pivots front and rear with linkage going to are next to cam. I drilled small hole even made knee pad adjustable. Looks like the same on on my Juki DDL-5550, as I use “C” clamp to hold it on same table, in front of Juki. Can switch from machine to machine in less time than it take to change thread color!
@@deankay4434 I really like a leg lift it frees up your hands, gives you more range of movement, increases efficiency, and added safety when operating a machine. Thank you
Very Creative! Thanks for sharing
this really helped me , it cleared up all the mystery of the bobbin
Good deal, I am happy I could help.
When you threaded the line through the bobbin you weren't in camera view. Move your hand a little higher so the action is in view. Great info. I just purchased this machine but haven't set it up yet. Very helpful info for Steve up, nwedles and thread selection. Thx so much.
Good to know!
Thanks man!! I was doing everything correctly, my timing was off, and anothers vid showed that!
Great to hear!
Enjoying your videos on the Chinese sewing machine! We are having problems with the top and bottom threads being loopy! The bottom worse than the top! Watched videos on tension but haven’t been able to fix our problem! Any suggestions!
A general tension tip is: If loops on the bottom, tighten the upper. If loops on the top, tighten the lower or loosen the top. What thread and thread holder are y'all using?
This is the problem I am having. My top stitch is good. My bottom is loopy. Trying to figure out how to tighten up the loops on the bottom. So you mean to eliminate the bottom loops, tighten the top thread?
Thank you very much. Did help a lot now I'm going to test it it's got me further
Awesome. I just had that problem on my newly received machine. I was doing it all wrong. Thanks
Glad it helped
Dear Harrison, thank you for posting all the tutorials. I could not have made my machine work without your help. Thank you.
Question: the nut on the crank kept loosening itself as I turn the crank. Why is it; and how to fix it?
Thank you.
That's a pretty easy fix, just pick up a lock washer/nut form the hardware store and you will be golden.
I don't speak or understand the English language but it's so well done that it's impossible not to understand thank you
That's amazing, thanks for sharing that with me.
This was most helpful. Thank you.
On most Singer sewing machines the tension is adjusted by tightening or loosening the screw in the spring. Also, the spring can be bent slightly by removing it and bending it a little bit. It doesn't require a lot of tension on the bobbin and usually, the top tension is much higher than the bottom tension. Just adjust the top tension until the thread has knotted in the middle of the leather. If the top tension is too low you will see it pulled to or even out of the bottom of the material. If the top tension is too high you will see the thread pulled to or through the top of the material. This is true for most of the sewing machines that I am familiar with. Have fun!
Thanks for the tips!!
You helped a great deal . My thread kept bunching up below and the machine wasn't feeding/advancing properly. Turned out it was a combo of the cams at the back and needle depth
Your help is invaluable.
Glad it helped
did my first stitch on my machine thanks to you . but my adjustments marks are diffent then yours .i do get a good stitch though.
Thanks to all your videos I got my machine working at last. One thing I had to do was to make the small hole in the swiveling piece covering the bobbin case
slightly larger as I noticed the thread was rubbing against the side of the hole and breaking after a few stitches. The needle or tension wasn't the problem. Next I have to figure out a non fiddly way of winding bobbins.Your idea of a slow hand held screwdriver is good but you still need 3 hands.
Thank you for commenting and sharing your experience.
I use my pocketknife to put the thread under the tension spring works good to . Thanks for the other advice about holes to use for thick and thin threads .
Great tip!
My new machine arrived today and if it wasen't for your videos It would be impossible too set up. The cams were way out of time, the bobin shuttle was out of adjustment and the instructions are a joke. Thanks for the great videos.
Glad I could help
In order to sew with the machine, do I need a separate spool of thread mounted on the thread holder post on the back of the machine and also the same thread loaded around the bobbin in the front sewing shuttle well?
What a difference in quality between then and now. Much cheaper now.
Nothing really, they are all made at the same plant in China.
THUMBS UP,,,,10 times,,,and subscribed,,friend,,,keep up the good work!
Awesome, thanks
This helped a lot been looking for a video like this been trying to figure it out my self
Happy to help
I couldn't find the link to that little spring in the bobbin thank u
Click on "show more" - Joe -
You mentioned ordering parts through links below. I could not find information on purchasing bobbin tension spring and screw and a threading rod.
Thank you so much. The bobbin spring was so tight I couldn’t get the thread under it.
Good afternoon. I’m still trying to get my machine working. I have noticed that the needle is almost touching the pressure foot. I’m wondering if this might be my problem. My thread cutting before it picks up the thread from the bobbin. Does this make sense?
I would need to see a video or pictures to know whats going on.
My machine came with 2 bobbin shuttles. One has a spring and one doesn't. Super thick threads will sew alright without the spring but it won't pull tight in thicker material.
Good to know, Thanks for sharing.
@@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks I wish TH-cam had DM capability, but I wanted share some ideas with you. I recently (accidentally) purchased some 130/21 needles and realized when they arrived that they didn't have the flat shank. I carefully installed them in the right orientation and BAM they worked perfectly. -- I got some "D" needles for sewing 2 layers of 1/4" vegtan (holsters). I was worried the needle would collide with the shuttle or something but none of that was an issue, they popped right in and ran smooth without even adjusting the machine. I got the needles from www.thethreadexchange.com
Always fun when you make a discovery from a simple mistake :D
That's awesome, thanks for sharing your mistake. LOL I just went through my bag of extra parts and I was sent an extra bobbin shuttle without a spring too. There is nothing different between the two shuttles other than the missing spring. So with all of that said, I am going to guess it's a replacement part and will need a spring added to it to allow it to work properly. I have heard of people sewing without it, but they eventually run into some issues.
Thanks for sharing. Mine came without a spring. I'm going to have to see how it does without it :/
Do you have a video on how to fix the timing?
Yes: th-cam.com/video/XJAhqb9tNpc/w-d-xo.html Start with the cams, then go on to the bobbin, then adjust the pitman rod to fine tune the bobbin timing.
Thank you so much, I appreciate all your video, I just bought one. Today, I'm fixing it up... keep making them videos
Thanks, will do!
Good morning Harrison. I’m having some problems. One of the cams is rubbing on the shaft that move the presser foot. It is starting to wear. When I move the crank it resists about the 11 o’clock position. The bobbin isn’t picking up and cutting the needle thread. It was running great a few days ago. I don’t know what happened. I changed bobbins, thread, (both bobbin and needle), changed the crank below the bobbin and adjusted the crank shaft. What else?
Last resort you probably wont have to you could bend the iron back until it makes contact with the cam probably not. Check the bolt that goes through that arm they bend, wear, get sticky from dust, or they are just a junk bolt from day one. I replaced every nut, bolt, screw, washer, and fastener with brand new grade 8 from the Auto parts store. Place a nylon bushing between the arm and machine space it so it is not binding. I had to use nylon bushings on all of the arms they are pretty cheap and they are not going to oxidize or cause corrosion. As for oiling your machine I highly recommend Lily White Oil aka 100% pure non staining mineral oil because you do not want anything that is going to be gummy. These machines are crude, annoying, and require a lot of tinkering, cleaning, polishing, and fine tuning before they will stitch 3 yards without missing a stitch. On those cams and bushings I have used a very light film of white lubriplate engine assembly lubricant or black moly engine assembly lubricant it reduces the mess of the oil. Look at the spring that pulls tension on the arm they fall off or break. My machine didn't come with that outside spring on the arm so I found another spring at a hardware store. Even the presser foot springs on the nut I replaced those on my machine before they broke. Don't give up you can make it work its just part of learning. You can have these same annoying problems with a $3000 Industrial sewing machine. Check for little pieces of thread stuck in spots in these machines where you don't think it will go when that happens they love to act up. Hopefully I was able to help you out.
Check the little bearings on the ends of the arms in the hand wheel I had a little piece of thread get in one and cause it to bind. Needle bar adjustment check it. With the top thread going through place the shuttle in slowly turn the handle watch and see if it grabs the loop. When you set your timing on the shuttle watch at what point does the hook pull the loop of your thread. The handle at 12 o clock position I marked my wheel with a tab and dots for timing because some shuttles in these machines you have to fine tune them back or forward a tooth timing them.
Where you had your machine running fine and it stopped after changing the thread/bobbin I am going to guess it's a timing issue. Plus you moved the cams, so more than likely that's what cause the issues. We should meet up again on the video chat before you go changing things again
@@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks My machine is operating perfectly fine for medium and heavy work. I have modified a second needle bar so I can use industrial sewing machine needles they last longer. The only challenge I have with my machine is that I have a more difficult time getting it to do a nice job sewing long straight lines on light cloth like muslin or linen yet it is not made for that application. No problems with a patch/mend on light items.
These machines are fun for learning, for teaching others, great as a backup machine, for patch/mend projects, hobby, home, a helpful little home machine, and they are a great starter machine. After a while a person will outgrow this cobbler machine, figure out its limitations, limited availability of parts, and want something else.
From my own experience I would recommend anyone who is going to actually sew medium to heavy material every day of the week to keep sewing with what you have, save your money and buy a brand new or good used Industrial sewing machine with a clutch motor made by Pfaff, Consew, Juki, Chandler, Singer Industrial or any other brand of their choice. Change it up keep practicing and having fun. I love sewing it doesn't get boring and your constantly learning something new every single day.
Thank you
Good morning. We spoke previously. This is Bill Skehan. My machine sews, but the stitches are loose and wide. I have tried the bobbin and tighten it. But still loose.
Look at the adjustment screw on the arm that runs off the inside cam. Now you should see a little screw going through the the cast frame back away from where the head bolts to the top with a little coil spring under it on the frame controlling the stitch length and turn it in a little bit this will adjust the length of your stitch. If that doesn't work check the spring tension of the 2 coil springs right behind this adjustment. I have had this problem with my machine too. Hopefully this helps you.
What SSW Custom Cycle said. Thanks!!
Hi thanks for informations. I can't sew straight line . Is it me or the machine need adjustment.
I am not sure if it's human error or machine, but they do make sewing guides to help with that
The thread coming over the top of the bobbin spins the bobbin counter clockwise. When the thread pulls under the bobbin it pulls clockwise.
When you're pulling the thread to test the tension, how do you know you have the correct tension ?
Hello how are I learn a lot from your videos thanks to that I'm having issues when I'm stiching my top thread gets pinch in me middle with the neddle
Your needle bar may need to be adjusted further down, so you can feel the tip of the needle. I do offer one on one video help if your interested.
@@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks oh ok i believe that I have it adjust right because when I crank it I feel the neddle at the bottom of the arm that bearly touches my finger maybe I need to bring it down a hair more what do you think thanks
My string is bunching up in the bobbin case. Is there a way to prevent this? Bobbin was installed as you did here and the tension is such on top now that the string does not break. I just get a mess of sting inside the bobbin area.
Could be a needle depth issue or a timing issue.
Harrison, recently got my machine and I noticed that my bobbins sit with the top edge about 1-2 mm above the carrier. Is this a problem? Should the bobbins be flush?
Yes, the bobbin should fit flush with the bobbin carrier.
@@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks I thought that was the case, thank you
The words on the screen are covering up the bobbin when you are holding it and I can’t see which holes you are talking about. Your information about these machines is really well done😊
I am Sorry about that, I didn't realize that until it was already uploaded and published.
Thank you, do you have a video where you show how to do the top tension?
Yes th-cam.com/video/tWgxzSCZxrQ/w-d-xo.html
IDEA CHALLENGE:
Instead of re-winding bobbins, I think if you drilled a hole in the right spot, you could feed thread from a full spool on to the bobbin, wrap it around the bobbin a few times and then on to wherever it goes.
What do you think?
If you can get that to work I know a shit load of people that would be willing to pay for that knowledge.
Very new to these machines and trying to get a better sense of what people actually mean when they describe thick or thin threads. Would you consider size 69 thread to be thick or thin? Would love to know which set of bobbin holes you would recommend for that thread spec. Thanks for the great videos Harrison!
HI JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THE WAY I THREAD MY MACHINE INSTEAD OF THE NEEDLE ROD I USE COMPERESSED AIR FROM MY COMPUTER DESK,, I START THE THREAD DOWN THE HOLE A WAYS HIT IT WITH THESTRAW ON A COMPRESSED CAN OF AIR AND IT GOES RIGHT THREW TO THE NEEDLE,,,, JUST SAYING TY
Awesome tip, thanks so much
I can't figure out how to properly install my bottom needle can you please do a tutorial
What size of thread for 2 and 40z.leather
What's the application?
My needle keeps braking. I have tried everything I can think of. I will start stitching. Goes g9od for about two cranks then snap or a hang up like it hits something hard.
I would recommend resetting the needle. There are three bolts under the sewing arm you can loosen up. After loosing those bolts you can lower the needle into the bobbin well to center the needle. Once you have it centered leave the needle down and tighten up the bolts.
What thread do i use for sewing 7-8 oz leather?
I get good stitches and all of a sudden real loose stitches . How do I remedy this .
What are you using to hold your spool of thread?
Where’d you get those forks ?
My top thread won’t catch the thread from the Bobben at the bottom any tips
I have three videos on that topic, if you need further help I will need to meet via video chat.
Thanks for the video. I am looking into making some redisigning of the shuttle tension system on my machine. I have it working with 277 thread and 25 ga needles. I want to try 307 thread. I know the top half of the mqchine will do it, but the shuttle tension is going to give me issues. With the thicker thread im using the hole furthest from the spring screw and the screw just tight enough to hold the spring, and this is still too much tension. To compensate, i have to use both tensioners at the top. One is fully thight, and the other is about half way tight.
If you need pictures of the mods i had to do to fit the 25 needle in there, let me know.
Right now i’m pushing this thing with a 25 ga needle, 277 thread tru 4 layers of 8-9 oz veg tan. Aabout 3/4”. It works, but it’s a bit cumbersome. It takes 2 hands to turn the wheel, and then on the upstroke i have to help the presser foot stay down, because the thick leather holds on to the needle tight enough to lift the presser foot which is as tight as it will go.
I would try bending the tension spring to cut back on the drag. If that works I would buy another shuttle case so I could switch back to the thinner stuff. Maybe play around with a lighter spring material. For the presser foot I am not sure how to make that any better, your kind of at the limits of the machine. Thank you for all your hard work and tips!!
With really heavy thread, try simply not using the spring and leading the thread diagonally from the outside hole to the inside one.
Will do
I’ve got one in need of help I’m breaking needles.
Hi, I am having the hardest time with this. Every time I try to use the sewing machine the thread loops at the bottom are either too loose or everything gets jammed up in the bobbin case aka a birds nest.
I am available through video help if you still need help
Hi my tension spring broke where do I buy a replacement? Please help me
Bantam Saddle Tack has you covered.
I have tried everything! I have watched every video. My thread breaks every time on the 1st stitch. My bobbin thread is good. I have filed everything. I have changed out needles. I am about to go crazy trying to get this machine figured out!
I think I would need to see your machine to be able to help
Can you help me with the upper thread breaking?
I think so, what size needle/thread are you using?
My stitch length is too small? I've tried adjusting using the bolt and it only gets smaller not larger even when the bolt is nearly all the way out. It looks like my foot may be going down before it moves forward instead of forward and down to move the leather along.
i am sorry where can i order the spring
Thanks for the great info. It works.
Great to hear!
What type of bobbins are these?
I did everything like how you ask but my Machine is not picking up the sewing part every time I see it’s not sticking can you please help
My latest video should help you out, if not I do offer one on one video help if you still need help. th-cam.com/video/XJAhqb9tNpc/w-d-xo.html
@@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks ok thank you so much
Well done ---Thank you
Thanks for watching!
Harrison Have been watching all your videos on the patcher. Great stuff keep it up please they have helped a lot. OK my question. I want to upgrade my machine with an adjustable materials guide. I will have to weld on the sheet metal bobbin cover. I would prefer to find another one so if things don't work out and I ruin mine I have a back up. pluse you may not want the guide on there all the time. D you know where I can purchas one of these covers to save me from making one ?? Thank you
I will check in with Matt over at Bantam Saddle Tack to see if he carries those.
I got a hold of Matt and he said he can get the plate your looking for, but he will be on vacation until the end of Jan.
Do you know where I can get aluminum alloy bobbins? I would like to get a magnetic sewing guide but it would lift the bobbin and cause problems.
No, I don't. I only know where to buy the steel ones.
You can run plastic bobbins or aluminum in these machines. The bobbin shuttle on these patcher machines should be the same size as the singer 29k with the smaller shuttle and bobbin. I have used magnetic guides on my machine and have not had any problems. You could place a tiny piece of felt or a small spring applying just enough pressure on top of the bobbin I have seen that done before on sewing machines. Hopefully you find something that works.
Where is the link for the tension spring and the screw? Also the threading rod. I looked in the description and found no links for either.
I really enjoy your videos
I am sorry, I completely forgot to add them. All fixed now. Here is the link for the spare tension clip and screw: www.bantamsaddletack.com/Spare-tension-clip-screw-for-Patcher-Sewing-Machine-shuttle-hook_p_52.html and here is the one for the threader rod: www.bantamsaddletack.com/Threader-for-Chinese-Patcher-Sewing-Machine_p_56.html
Hi i was trying to adjust the tension so the stitches locked in the centre, i broke the needle whilst sewing,replaced needle but the thread pulled everything out bobbin SHUTTLE and the plate with the cogs on it,I have done what you suggested in your video, but the top thread is now getting caught under the bobbin shuttle which ejects it out of the machine, i have spent hours trying to reset it, to no avail. I have replaced the needle with one that came with it.watched your video, and tried again it threw out the shuttle, patience is now wearing thin, HELP PLEASE
Briony
why does the bobbin thread always break the thread from the needle?

there is one other thing you missed, what about the other part where you put the bobbin? in which position you drop the bobbin in it. I do not know if I am being clear! does it matter what position you pu it in? I
I am pretty thorough when it comes to making these sewing videos, so I don't think I missed anything. This is a follow up video to the original video I put out called "How to Set up your Chinese leather patcher Sewing Machine". Have you seen that video? If not watch that one first and then return to this video to make sure I didn't miss something. Here is a Link to that video: th-cam.com/video/tWgxzSCZxrQ/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for this video. 🔥🔥🔥❤❤❤
My pleasure!!
more great info.
Where do u get the bobbin Shadow spring from? I don’t see the link
www.bantamsaddletack.com/Spare-tension-clip-screw-for-Patcher-Sewing-Machine-shuttle-hook_p_52.html
I couldn't find the link for the parts
www.bantamsaddletack.com/Sewing-Machinery_c_20.html
I just purchased one of these machines, from Amazon, however it has 2 tension discs. I have threaded and rethreaded both the top thread as well as watching your bobbin videos over and over and this machine will NOT draw up the monofilament thread from the bobbin and it keeps breaking the top thread. WHAT do I do?? I have a project that is covering some chairs with vinyl and I can not afford an industrial electric machine this is holding up my project and my client is NOT Happy about the delay.
Great job on this video,
Thanks!! How are you and the family doing?
Thanks 😊
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Gracias
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Hey man your love ur videos but i still have one problem with my machine wen im stitching on the top it looks fine but on the bottom its vary lose please let me know what i can do about it and thank you
Thanks for the support!! You may need to tighten the top tension.
@@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks mine only came with one tensioner should i buy the second one?
I would if your having problems not getting the top thread tight enough. Did you crank all the way down on the one you have?
Yes, but its the bottom thread that is getting loose
If the slack is on the bottom of your sewing project the top tension needs to be tighter, If the slack is on the top of your sewing project you need to make the bobbin tension tighter.
Why does my top thread keep breaking? its a recent problem and all my projects have roughly the same thread size? I've tried different thread but i can't seem to figure it out every time i get about 4 stitches in, it snaps (top thread) HELP
You might want to check your needle bar height: th-cam.com/video/VagtDdcenwI/w-d-xo.html
I agree with manly acres. Are you using the correct size needle with your thread? I have no idea what threads you use I have needles with a longer slot from size #18 to #22 they work better with certain thread types and sizes I use. Look up the needle and thread test if you don't know how to do it some threads and needles don't work very well together. #18 HAx1 Organ sharp point needle with with 92 bonded polyester upholstery thread or 69 bonded polyester thread works just fine. Could be the the thread check for ragged or rough spots I have had to toss junk thread.
The threads always broke, especially the top thread, i bypassed the top tensioner and not using the lower tension on the bobbin shuttle, still the same. it looked like the top thread line jammed inside the bobbin shuttle while making knot with the lower threads, is it too tight fit of the shuttle? it does pick up the lower bobbin line, hope you have tips for thread breaking, thanks
What size thread and needle are you using?
Check the travel of your thread from the tensioners to the hole where you loop it through and feed it down the needle bar see if you have anything grabbing it like that little spring I had to de burr and adjust that little spring. I remember a burr at the bottom indide of the needle bar I had to smooth out of my machine.
Many thanks!
Hi every time I try to bring the bobbin thread up to start sewing it gets jammed/ or cut off. Is it because the tension is too tight? Without the thread and bobbin it seems to be running smoothly.
Using a bonded #69 thread
You might want to check your needle bar height: th-cam.com/video/VagtDdcenwI/w-d-xo.html
@@brenescutin Agreed with Ma. Out of curiosity what needle size ? What needle type ? Can you pull the bobbin thread up through the hole with the top thread by slowly turning the crank watching the needle go down and seeing the loop come through with the bobbin thread? Hopefully that made sense. I have done a lot of sewing and wrenching with my annoying Chinese cobbler machine I use it every day of the week. Someday I will be able to replace it with a industrial cylinder bed type machine. However these are great for learning, and importantly having fun.
Brilliant!
Mine keeps making knot's, its pretty annoying, im starting to think it has too much tension on the thread.
you da man
I wanted to order a new tension clip and screw but I refuse to pay 45$ for shipping a thing that weighs as much as a postage stamp.
Hey I’m having a problem where when I’m sewing the thread from my bobbin isn’t tight down on my material it open loops on the material and not tight down to the material. I’ve tried changing the tension nothings working!
Are the loops on the top or bottom?
Key I’m having the exact same issue I can’t figure out how to fix it. The loops are on the top. Any help would be really appreciated
Tension upper and lower even ? Are you turning the hand wheel full steady rotations completing each stitch ? I ask myself these questions when my patcher is acting up.
I'm two years late to this question, but I'm having the same issue: loose stiches with a small loop on top of the material at every stitch. PITA to find information on the fix.
My machine always cuts the thread ... What could be the problem specifically?
Could be a few different issues. Would be best to meet up on a video chat.
Good afternoon. I still can’t get my needle to pick up my bobbin thread.
Hook/shuttle timing or needle bar adjustment check those.
Bobbin issues:
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