Hope this video blows up brother🙏 I'll never understand how people can not like this game. Fascinating story and world and i swear the most visually beautiful game of all time. I'll die on that hill😂
I most enjoyed many of the things you disliked about this game and that’s fascinating. In the end though we share much the same appreciation for what this game is in totality. The infodumps at the end of the game, the standing around watching holograms, and the lore of the old world was my absolute favorite part of the entire experience as I had spent my playthrough driven by my desire to see the bigger picture of what could explain how this world came to be the way that it is. I was completely consumed by it and for me all of that stuff was the payoff for all that I’d done to get there. Silens’s impatient, cold and logical approach to things contrasted the heart in the rest of the story, and his almost machine-like disposition was for me a plus. I enjoy how he contrasts Aloys altruism with blunt practicality. It’s much the reason he was always able to be one step ahead of her. I definitely saw more to his character than you did. Lastly the one thing we can all agree on is Ted Musk being perhaps the worst person of all fictional time.
@@TheSCIOnce you know what I probably didn’t express enough how much I like sylens because I really do enjoy they’re interactions. Its refreshing. I’ll make note to do justice for him in forbidden west.
Same same! I never understood the hate. This game strikes the perfect balance in open world games. The game mechanics are varied. The weapon combinations are great. The “beauty in destruction” when you see the old structures overgrown is very well executed. The story is great with thought out characters. Great voice-acting and graphics. Taking down a mechanical T-Rex with a bow needs no further explanation.
Really great video 🥹 Horizon is my favorite video game of all time and you really beautifully explained the reason why in a way I could never have. Thank you. 😊
I started playing HZD November 2024 for the first time having owned the game since Sony gave it to us for free as part of the “Stay at Home” initiative in 2020. I had also previously passed on the games initial launch in February 2017 like many did in anticipation of 1. The Switch launch/ 2. Zelda BotW. I don’t regret this choice, I just wish HZD had released earlier or much later than BotW to avoid this choice. Anyway, having now 100% Zero Dawn and Forbidden West I can NOT wait for Horizon 3 and am actually quite pumped for the Horizon movie announcement too, I slept on this franchise for too long but not anymore, I am ready
The Elizabeth's grave scene honestly made me cry a bit. I lost my mother so it's a bit of a raw subject, though in Aloy's case Sobek isn't _exactly_ her mother.
One of few games I consider playing more than 1 time. The storytelling, the visuals, the enchanting music, the feeling you get of exploring playing it.. A travel to another world, yet get some familiarity. Excitement, the feeling of achievement, the beauty of the world! No games like it.. I consider so far Zero Dawn the best storytelling of the two, but I haven’t 100% finished FW yet. Or played burning shores. I need something to look forward to.. while we wait on the third installment of the series. It’s my soothing game, my escape on rough days.. Like visiting friends, that comfort. I’d love a HBO continious-series.. The world could be another Game of Thrones universe, with multiple spinoffs.. It’s my dream! This game series feels purpose built for people like me. I love it! ❤
I legit didn’t have to climb up a second time at makers end. Was intrigued by the rope markings and went up and found the cell before I knew what it was about. I did have to go back to the original bunker tho. Love the video tho dude!
After I finished Zero Dawn, I removed the HUD and never looked at the map again. I just free-roamed for months; it was an entirely different experience. I managed to earn 94% of the trophies without even realizing it! After countless hours, I eventually stopped playing, but you can't imagine how excited I was for Forbidden West. I began to envision all the new features they would add, how dynamic the world would be, and the epic new interactions we would have with the robots. While the game was good-very good-it felt more like Horizon 1.5 with better graphics and a weaker story. Then the DLC was released, but only for PS5. I thought, “Okay, the limitations of the PS4 held them back from fully realizing their vision and capabilities. Now we’ll finally see a truly dynamic world.” What did we get? Advanced clouds. At this point, I’ve given up on Guerrilla Games and the future of Horizon.
@@pse2020 I think the game is a sequel in where it counts. Maybe I need to play it with fresh eyes but I feel like forbidden west is what a sequel should be. But we’ll see
@@berice4390 Sure i liked it alot, But we got tribes and advanced clouds instead of more physics, world interactions and more and new ways of interacting with the robots... Imagen if you could customze a robot u take over with other robot parts u take from robots u kill. I would have probably still played the game til today .
Haven't even watched the video yet but can already tell it's gonna be good! Love this game to death and always hated that it often goes underappreciated!
Oh! My favorite game series! Of course there are better stories, better combat, betters open worlds, but Horizons are my comfort games and I will be coming back to them
Crazy how our experiences align. When i first played HZD, i STRUGGLED to finish it. i found it immensely boring. Only after playing HFW, did i find love for the series and ended up revisiting HZD. They still have issues though, namely being slow at the begining hours and a few other things. I went from not giving a damn to anticipating the 3rd game. Hopefully, they pick a good release schedule this time.
Had a similar journey with the games. I deeply undertand that every game as is own way to tell there story. It just chose a method that was shun by most veteran gamer at the time. But i really think that the checklist is a bit overhated mostly linked to its overuses.
Okay wait... The Nora Sidequests are supposed to be played when everything is "still ok" You find them along the path of the Main Quest And once the massacre Happens you're supposed to be done with them and beeing "pushed" or driven out of the Nora lands
@@firebird2713 there is multiple quests after the Nora massacre that is contextualized to be that period. They just don’t have anything surrounding it that expands it in a interesting way. Especially in contrast to how much more interesting the Carja is
You didn't like the presentations under Sunfall and found them predictable? You're the first one I hear describe it like that. Also, what is wrong with you that you still wouldn't like those scenes? Also it hasn't been "thousands of years" since the destruction, it's been 973 years since Zero Day.
@@coladict I did find the information un engaging and predicate. It slowly evolved in areas but it wasn’t a really compelling way to give us all this lore and backstory. Felt dragged on. It didn’t balance things like the eclipse plot line as well. Everything the game has going for it felt detached. Also yeah the thousand years thing is a oopsie on my part
You mock the ability to pick up traps.... just try littering an entire field with 50 traps and wires, triggering a stampede of docile machines and a charging thunderjaw. Perch on a hillside and watch as they trip and fall and freeze and explode. Take out the quivering thunderjaw. Stroll across the field, retrieving the unused traps and all the machine parts your wallet could desire. You don't need to slow down time or shoot triple arrows.... traps will handle it. Sit back and relax. This method of cheesing hunts was so good that they removed it entirely in HFW. Limit to 4 traps, maybe 8 or 10 with a dedicated build. Nonsense. Outrageous.
I get the joy of being able to cheese things. But for me if the nerfs make the game more engaging I think it’s a fair trade off? I haven’t played forbidden west for years but I’ll make note of that when I work on a video for it.
@@berice4390 HFW is a great game, I loved some improvements and mourned some changes. My biggest complaint with both games though is actually the UI for managing mods and coils. I wish they'd give us a rational, sortable lists instead of picture tables with a million abstract icons. 😭 (they also nerfed corruption arrows and replaced them with that heart effect which never seems to function right).
Nice video! To me, the characters are boring, especially Aloy and the story is told poorly. I don’t think the dialogue choices do enough for Aloy’s character development. There’s so much about the game that frustrates me. Yet, the game is beautiful, feels good to play, and has some great ideas. I’ve spent hundreds of hours across both games and DLCs. By far my most played first party game. I’ve never felt this way about a game before
I like the game play.. .Story side quests are ehh. Dialog wheel is pointless, All it does it change the dialog dump order and often, in a non sensical flow if you don't select the stuff in an order where it kinda flows together. And... your mood choices don't matter. Also, second game... she's becomes a mean sarcastic Lesbian, no matter what you pick and all white men are mustache twirling villains.
I think the ‘issues’ you point out with the dialogue wheel can be pertained to a few other games. I still believe it doesn’t diminish the points I made about aloy as a character they are just additions that while not making a major difference they highlight sides of aloy to make her a more well rounded character. They don’t need to be radically different as they all represent how the writers made aloy. I think labeling her character as a ‘mean lesbian’ completely diminishes a lot especially when at the end of the second game she is friends with multiple tribes and becomes closer to people. As I said in this video her attitude towards people is justified given the way she has been treated. It’s something that’s heavily explored in the game. I think you are missing key contexts in regards to that claim.
@berice4390 aloys character and how her upbringing( yes you can and will really see it in forbidden west) defines how she is. That's not even mentioning her mission. It's often HEAVILY overlooked by a LOT of people. Many only look at the surface and that's it. You look deeper and actually get why she is the way she is and I appreciate that.
Watched too much Critical Drinker nonsense? WTF are you talking about? There are great male companions. Kotallo is f***ing awesome 😎 And there are male villains and also very mean female antagonists as well. You don’t wanna mess with Regalla.
Personally, Zero dawn was great but Forbidden west ruined all that good will. Forbidden west has great graphics but that's about it. Zero dawns story,characters, writing and world building both in the past and present were exceptional. I can understand people coming to love zero dawn. I can NOT understand people who love forbidden west or defend it. And it pains me to say this but I don't look forward to a 3rd game....
@@JKahz it is quite interesting to me to see so many people disregard forbidden west. I plan to have a video out for that game towards the end of the year or the beginning of the next. I do think it does a lot that pushes the lore in a meaningful way especially for aloy. Could change as I play but we’ll see
@berice4390 Every character that was added in Forbidden west was a disappointment. Maybe besides Zo and Regalla (but even they were wasted and under utilized) As for Aloy and the characters from zero dawn, complete character assassination. I look forward to your forbidden west video so that I can vent and try and see your thought process in defending anything about it.
They've upgraded everything, combat is more satisfying and variable, traversal is a bit better(though they could make flying mounts more dynamic), more machines, better Tallnecks missions, better Cauldrons. So yeah, most people that care for an actual gameplay like it. Story was better in the first one for sure, mostly because it was something new and undiscovered.
@NameUserOf 100% agree. ZD's storyline, unique gameplay (I hadn't played something where the bow was your main weapon aside from Zelda) kept me engaged enough to play it and love it and FW's upgrades to gameplay kept me playing through to the end despite the story being a bit much towards the end.
Hope this video blows up brother🙏 I'll never understand how people can not like this game. Fascinating story and world and i swear the most visually beautiful game of all time. I'll die on that hill😂
Hey I’ll perhaps die with you thanks for the kind words 🤝
I did not know people did not love the game? All of its reviews are great .
I don't care if the character is a guy or girl .
@@Crashed131963yeah people on the internet. An echo chamber really.
I most enjoyed many of the things you disliked about this game and that’s fascinating. In the end though we share much the same appreciation for what this game is in totality.
The infodumps at the end of the game, the standing around watching holograms, and the lore of the old world was my absolute favorite part of the entire experience as I had spent my playthrough driven by my desire to see the bigger picture of what could explain how this world came to be the way that it is. I was completely consumed by it and for me all of that stuff was the payoff for all that I’d done to get there. Silens’s impatient, cold and logical approach to things contrasted the heart in the rest of the story, and his almost machine-like disposition was for me a plus. I enjoy how he contrasts Aloys altruism with blunt practicality. It’s much the reason he was always able to be one step ahead of her. I definitely saw more to his character than you did.
Lastly the one thing we can all agree on is Ted Musk being perhaps the worst person of all fictional time.
@@TheSCIOnce you know what I probably didn’t express enough how much I like sylens because I really do enjoy they’re interactions. Its refreshing. I’ll make note to do justice for him in forbidden west.
Same same! I never understood the hate. This game strikes the perfect balance in open world games. The game mechanics are varied. The weapon combinations are great. The “beauty in destruction” when you see the old structures overgrown is very well executed. The story is great with thought out characters. Great voice-acting and graphics. Taking down a mechanical T-Rex with a bow needs no further explanation.
What a well made essay, thank you for this perspective and quality. I hope you get more popular since you definitely deserve it.
Thank you for listening it means a lot to know people value what I want to say. It goes a long way
Really great video 🥹 Horizon is my favorite video game of all time and you really beautifully explained the reason why in a way I could never have. Thank you. 😊
I’m honored I was able to provide that. Thank you for the appreciation
I started playing HZD November 2024 for the first time having owned the game since Sony gave it to us for free as part of the “Stay at Home” initiative in 2020.
I had also previously passed on the games initial launch in February 2017 like many did in anticipation of 1. The Switch launch/ 2. Zelda BotW.
I don’t regret this choice, I just wish HZD had released earlier or much later than BotW to avoid this choice.
Anyway, having now 100% Zero Dawn and Forbidden West I can NOT wait for Horizon 3 and am actually quite pumped for the Horizon movie announcement too, I slept on this franchise for too long but not anymore, I am ready
I did not know people did not love the game? All of its reviews are great .
The Elizabeth's grave scene honestly made me cry a bit. I lost my mother so it's a bit of a raw subject, though in Aloy's case Sobek isn't _exactly_ her mother.
I think there’s a future for you in long form commentary content. You have a great speaking voice! I’ve subscribed. Good luck!
One of few games I consider playing more than 1 time. The storytelling, the visuals, the enchanting music, the feeling you get of exploring playing it.. A travel to another world, yet get some familiarity. Excitement, the feeling of achievement, the beauty of the world! No games like it..
I consider so far Zero Dawn the best storytelling of the two, but I haven’t 100% finished FW yet. Or played burning shores. I need something to look forward to.. while we wait on the third installment of the series. It’s my soothing game, my escape on rough days.. Like visiting friends, that comfort.
I’d love a HBO continious-series..
The world could be another Game of Thrones universe, with multiple spinoffs.. It’s my dream!
This game series feels purpose built for people like me. I love it! ❤
I legit didn’t have to climb up a second time at makers end. Was intrigued by the rope markings and went up and found the cell before I knew what it was about. I did have to go back to the original bunker tho. Love the video tho dude!
After I finished Zero Dawn, I removed the HUD and never looked at the map again. I just free-roamed for months; it was an entirely different experience. I managed to earn 94% of the trophies without even realizing it! After countless hours, I eventually stopped playing, but you can't imagine how excited I was for Forbidden West. I began to envision all the new features they would add, how dynamic the world would be, and the epic new interactions we would have with the robots.
While the game was good-very good-it felt more like Horizon 1.5 with better graphics and a weaker story. Then the DLC was released, but only for PS5. I thought, “Okay, the limitations of the PS4 held them back from fully realizing their vision and capabilities. Now we’ll finally see a truly dynamic world.” What did we get? Advanced clouds. At this point, I’ve given up on Guerrilla Games and the future of Horizon.
@@pse2020 I think the game is a sequel in where it counts. Maybe I need to play it with fresh eyes but I feel like forbidden west is what a sequel should be. But we’ll see
@@berice4390 Sure i liked it alot, But we got tribes and advanced clouds instead of more physics, world interactions and more and new ways of interacting with the robots... Imagen if you could customze a robot u take over with other robot parts u take from robots u kill. I would have probably still played the game til today .
Haven't even watched the video yet but can already tell it's gonna be good! Love this game to death and always hated that it often goes underappreciated!
Oh! My favorite game series! Of course there are better stories, better combat, betters open worlds, but Horizons are my comfort games and I will be coming back to them
That’s the beauty of art I think that’s what I appreciate about this game is just how it set the foundations to forbidden west.
Woohoooo 700 we are on the way to a 1000.
Oh yeah it’s looking like 2025 is the year of ✨1,000 subscribers ✨
Crazy how our experiences align. When i first played HZD, i STRUGGLED to finish it. i found it immensely boring.
Only after playing HFW, did i find love for the series and ended up revisiting HZD. They still have issues though, namely being slow at the begining hours and a few other things.
I went from not giving a damn to anticipating the 3rd game. Hopefully, they pick a good release schedule this time.
Had a similar journey with the games. I deeply undertand that every game as is own way to tell there story. It just chose a method that was shun by most veteran gamer at the time. But i really think that the checklist is a bit overhated mostly linked to its overuses.
"She meets Mother Theresa" 🤣
I never even considered that's who they named Teersa after
@@coladict I’m so glad someone caught that lmao
i found the power cell naturally, but on my second playthrough, not my first
also yes the cauldrons are amazing
You know what that’s fair actually kudos to you
Okay wait...
The Nora Sidequests are supposed to be played when everything is "still ok"
You find them along the path of the Main Quest
And once the massacre Happens you're supposed to be done with them and beeing "pushed" or driven out of the Nora lands
@@firebird2713 there is multiple quests after the Nora massacre that is contextualized to be that period. They just don’t have anything surrounding it that expands it in a interesting way. Especially in contrast to how much more interesting the Carja is
I didn't had to climb second time for power cell... cuz I had guide open :P
@@Wegwertus should’ve worded that better 🗿
You didn't like the presentations under Sunfall and found them predictable? You're the first one I hear describe it like that. Also, what is wrong with you that you still wouldn't like those scenes?
Also it hasn't been "thousands of years" since the destruction, it's been 973 years since Zero Day.
@@coladict I did find the information un engaging and predicate. It slowly evolved in areas but it wasn’t a really compelling way to give us all this lore and backstory. Felt dragged on. It didn’t balance things like the eclipse plot line as well. Everything the game has going for it felt detached.
Also yeah the thousand years thing is a oopsie on my part
Hated this game until i put it on Easy mode 😂
This is fkucing Denver 😅😅😅
You mock the ability to pick up traps.... just try littering an entire field with 50 traps and wires, triggering a stampede of docile machines and a charging thunderjaw. Perch on a hillside and watch as they trip and fall and freeze and explode.
Take out the quivering thunderjaw. Stroll across the field, retrieving the unused traps and all the machine parts your wallet could desire. You don't need to slow down time or shoot triple arrows.... traps will handle it. Sit back and relax.
This method of cheesing hunts was so good that they removed it entirely in HFW. Limit to 4 traps, maybe 8 or 10 with a dedicated build. Nonsense. Outrageous.
I get the joy of being able to cheese things. But for me if the nerfs make the game more engaging I think it’s a fair trade off? I haven’t played forbidden west for years but I’ll make note of that when I work on a video for it.
@@berice4390 HFW is a great game, I loved some improvements and mourned some changes. My biggest complaint with both games though is actually the UI for managing mods and coils. I wish they'd give us a rational, sortable lists instead of picture tables with a million abstract icons. 😭
(they also nerfed corruption arrows and replaced them with that heart effect which never seems to function right).
Nice video! To me, the characters are boring, especially Aloy and the story is told poorly. I don’t think the dialogue choices do enough for Aloy’s character development. There’s so much about the game that frustrates me. Yet, the game is beautiful, feels good to play, and has some great ideas. I’ve spent hundreds of hours across both games and DLCs. By far my most played first party game. I’ve never felt this way about a game before
That’s fair to be honest. I think I was more invested in how aloy interacts with the world than herself as a person.
I like the game play.. .Story side quests are ehh. Dialog wheel is pointless, All it does it change the dialog dump order and often, in a non sensical flow if you don't select the stuff in an order where it kinda flows together. And... your mood choices don't matter. Also, second game... she's becomes a mean sarcastic Lesbian, no matter what you pick and all white men are mustache twirling villains.
I think the ‘issues’ you point out with the dialogue wheel can be pertained to a few other games. I still believe it doesn’t diminish the points I made about aloy as a character they are just additions that while not making a major difference they highlight sides of aloy to make her a more well rounded character. They don’t need to be radically different as they all represent how the writers made aloy.
I think labeling her character as a ‘mean lesbian’ completely diminishes a lot especially when at the end of the second game she is friends with multiple tribes and becomes closer to people. As I said in this video her attitude towards people is justified given the way she has been treated. It’s something that’s heavily explored in the game. I think you are missing key contexts in regards to that claim.
Jesus, can you chuds go five minutes without crying about "woke"?
@berice4390 aloys character and how her upbringing( yes you can and will really see it in forbidden west) defines how she is. That's not even mentioning her mission. It's often HEAVILY overlooked by a LOT of people. Many only look at the surface and that's it. You look deeper and actually get why she is the way she is and I appreciate that.
Watched too much Critical Drinker nonsense? WTF are you talking about? There are great male companions. Kotallo is f***ing awesome 😎 And there are male villains and also very mean female antagonists as well. You don’t wanna mess with Regalla.
Personally, Zero dawn was great but Forbidden west ruined all that good will.
Forbidden west has great graphics but that's about it.
Zero dawns story,characters, writing and world building both in the past and present were exceptional.
I can understand people coming to love zero dawn. I can NOT understand people who love forbidden west or defend it.
And it pains me to say this but I don't look forward to a 3rd game....
@@JKahz it is quite interesting to me to see so many people disregard forbidden west. I plan to have a video out for that game towards the end of the year or the beginning of the next.
I do think it does a lot that pushes the lore in a meaningful way especially for aloy.
Could change as I play but we’ll see
@berice4390 Every character that was added in Forbidden west was a disappointment. Maybe besides Zo and Regalla (but even they were wasted and under utilized)
As for Aloy and the characters from zero dawn, complete character assassination.
I look forward to your forbidden west video so that I can vent and try and see your thought process in defending anything about it.
They've upgraded everything, combat is more satisfying and variable, traversal is a bit better(though they could make flying mounts more dynamic), more machines, better Tallnecks missions, better Cauldrons. So yeah, most people that care for an actual gameplay like it.
Story was better in the first one for sure, mostly because it was something new and undiscovered.
@NameUserOf 100% agree. ZD's storyline, unique gameplay (I hadn't played something where the bow was your main weapon aside from Zelda) kept me engaged enough to play it and love it and FW's upgrades to gameplay kept me playing through to the end despite the story being a bit much towards the end.
Agree helis fell falt, dude was not engaging and was often annoying, but nothing fan stand up to the way I hate ted faro 🤬🤬