CARS cause serious injuries in collisions with pedestrians, not the damn lights. I'd rather hurt my arm on a miata's headlights than have my entire upper body shredded by a pickup truck's grille.
@@THESLlCK You seem like the kind of person who'd get hit by a train while driving and, assuming you survive, wonder why the train didn't stop for your car.
The automatic light beam systems on newer cars is making driving under darkness incredibly irritating, especially here in Norway where alot of people drive newer electric cars. My Mk4 Ford Escort rides quite low compared to the modern Crossovers, but in regular conditions there's no issue. I get flashbanged for 20 or so minutes now when going home from work.
I drove a rental with automatic high/low beam lights. I noted that it was 2-3 seconds slower to go to low beam than I would've done myself, basically blinding the meeting traffic for a second or two every time. I had to take manual control after a while. As an automotive engineer myself I was amazed by how half-assed of a solution it is
@@johantaube3022 It's beyond annoying. While I don't think you need to be a 24/7 car enthusiast, but solutions like this are for people who just see the car as something that takes you from A to B. Thus doesn't really give a shit and just put the lights on auto. I literally cannot see in the morning, it's fucking annoying. I live on an island connected to the mainland with tunnels and those lights sometimes go full beam inside the tunnel even if there's plenty of in-tunnel lighting.
Most of the motors on these things have plastic gears, which would likely disintegrate when hit with force like a pedestrian. With my contacts in the Australian car industry (now defunct) I’ve had this discussion several times, as I own one of the only mass-market Aussie cars with flippers that partly conceal the headlights, and the motor is very similar to 80s pop-up motors. The main reason is design freedom with styling that was brought about by projector headlight assemblies that are much more compact, and don’t need a fancy fresnel lens that limits the styling (as you can’t put them on too much of an angle). Projectors also cost a lot less that pop ups, so the automotive beancounters also pushed for them. Tightening fuel economy standards also contributed, as engineers needed better aero design. So it’s many contemporary factors evolving in the 90s that lead to this, not pedestrian safety.
They are loved and need to make a comeback. Any reason for them being a problem is BS. There are numerous things on cars that people like that are unnecessary, pop ups should still be one of them
they are loved by retro car enthusiasts and those people are a very tiny minority. and as the guy above said, they are not good in very cold climates such as scandinavia, russia and canada. some cars don't have an option to pop them up without turning on the lights but it's not an issue anymore since cars with pop ups virtually don't exist anymore.
@marten6578 Never met a person of any age that didn't think they were cool. Not saying no one ever had an issue, especially older vacuum type but I lived in New England where it gets plenty crappy out during the winter and never had an issue on many different electrical type. All of them could be left up. There could also be just as likely of a chance the vehicle won't start if conditions are that poor. Or how about the plethora of electric vehicles that crap out all winter long. Not all cars are for all conditions and there are plenty of places people live that they only buy what works at that location. With modern tec it's as much of an issue as someone losing their keys In the morning, shit happens. A few choice options on the market won't hurt a thing
i've beem saying this for years, active collision detections systems just like the ones tha allow for the hood to pop up just before a crash in volvos and other cars can make pop up perfectly safe design choices, at least compared to the massive walls that are western pick up trucks
Long story short, larger trucks are immune to CAFE standards, aka they don't need to be regulated to be fuel efficient because they are so large, which makes companies more willing to produce those. It's also a self-fulfilling prophecy because more big trucks on the road means more people want to buy big trucks to be safe if there's a crash.
In the united states it was the insurance companys that begged congress to ban pop up headlamps ! Only due to the higher cost to repair front end damage in a crash !
There is one safety issue with popups, but it's not in regards to pedestrians. Popup headlights were almost always designed in a way where they fail closed, which prevents the headlight from being used if the actuators fail or something obstructs the headlight (like ice). This can be a problem at night since it's pretty much the same as driving with a burnt out headlight.
I miss my 924 (only Porsche I've ever owned). The pop up headlights killed it in a snowstorm one night. As soon as I turned off the ignition the lights tried to lower -- caked in ice and snow they could not and the resulting electrical surge killed everything in the car (you'd think there would be a circuit breaker, huh?). My C4 (which is currently undergoing a "revision") has pop up headlights, and I think I'll take some of the ideas I've seen here and modify them a bit. The car is getting a new engine and transaxle anyway....basically it's just a platform for development work.
My very first car was a 1989 Honda Prelude. Red, of course. Originally it was my 2nd choice, my ideal car at the time was a Celica, but the longer I owned Big Red the more I began to appreciate her. That 4 Wheel Steering was absolutely amazing, and it's crazy that only now, decades later we are finally starting to appreciate that ingenuity. ❤🏎️
if we have the technology to help people avoid getting into corrections, self lane adjustments, additional cameras, sensors, and all sorts of things- we can definitely have pop ups return, with the capability of detecting when you could crash and closing themselves. i think the bigger issue now is that, pop ups still pose the problem of being either costly to replace, or that they will not fit the style modern vehicles have, with sharp flowing edges.
Ich liebe das 80er Jahre Design, finde Klappscheinwerfer sehr cool, aber das Lampendesign des Vector W8, fine ich noch um einiges cooler. (Pup-down) Wenn Klappscheinwerfer wegen Fussgängerschgutz abgeschaft wurde, dann verstehe ich nicht, warum sich danach diese Idee nicht durchgesetzt hat.
as a designer i have to say that these things have always been a thorn in my side because they disturb the overall impression and seem to be put on - it was probably more of a big show - for people who need it - thought above all that these things would disappear because of the aerodynamics
You really said all cars from the 70's look the same and showed like 15 cars that are all very easily distinguishable from each other by only the grill. Oh, and all 17 of them are from the same manufacturer.
Porsche developed the 924 for Volkswagen, who wasn't sure whether or not they were going to badge it as a Volkswagen or an Audi. But then they changed their mind at the last minute, so Porsche bought the project and produced it on their own. Hagerty has a great video on it's history if you're interested
There is a max height of 54 inches and they should be no more than 36" at 100' or the height of the headlight what ever is lower for projector lights and need to illuminate the ground for 165'. (There is still a minimum height of 22") You are getting blinded by people who them adjusted poorly since aiming them properly gives bad visibility in tall vehicles. Or some one illegally lifted their car and did not move the lights. We really need auto leveling lights and to bring that nmrange to like 12-36" for projector housings.
It's not like properly adjusted headlights give poor visibility. It's the giant hood occluding so much of the visible field that it looks like it is giving poor visibility.
@ if the headlights are too high like between 48 and 54 inches and they are projectors. To adjust them to 36" at 100 foot you are at less than 24" at 200. It is simple geometry that you get bad visibility with lights over 36" The hood angle doesn't help.
You didnt provide any arguement besides "wow pop up good jdm legend" to support your statement, you actually had more counter arguements against the pop ups, what is your point exactly?
instead of pop ups, makers could at least bring back hide away ones like the ones on the early chargers or the little eye brow on the Ferrari Daytona sp2
Everyone installed pop-up blockers in their browser and that was the end.
CARS cause serious injuries in collisions with pedestrians, not the damn lights. I'd rather hurt my arm on a miata's headlights than have my entire upper body shredded by a pickup truck's grille.
Womp womp get a bicycle
@@somewhere_in_chaos you really felt like saying this? damn
@somewhere_in_chaos bicyclists still get hit
@@theiaraine a pickup truck will hurt the same as any other car. Don't get hit by cars
@@THESLlCK A pickup will send you straight under. I'm short. There are pickup trucks whose grilles are as high as my head
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Extra drag❌
Manually operated active aero✅
road legal drs
all this and the cybertruck is allowed to roam the streets with sharp edged panels and a front trunk that can chop off fingers
in all seriousness, who cares? Don't get hit by cars
nice ragebait i title you the master baiter
@@THESLlCK
You seem like the kind of person who'd get hit by a train while driving and, assuming you survive, wonder why the train didn't stop for your car.
Well you see, that is why it isn't allowed on the streets in the EU!
America is just doing unsafe America things, as always
@@Thim22Z7 Whole continent of finocchios you people are
The automatic light beam systems on newer cars is making driving under darkness incredibly irritating, especially here in Norway where alot of people drive newer electric cars. My Mk4 Ford Escort rides quite low compared to the modern Crossovers, but in regular conditions there's no issue. I get flashbanged for 20 or so minutes now when going home from work.
I drove a rental with automatic high/low beam lights. I noted that it was 2-3 seconds slower to go to low beam than I would've done myself, basically blinding the meeting traffic for a second or two every time.
I had to take manual control after a while. As an automotive engineer myself I was amazed by how half-assed of a solution it is
@@johantaube3022 It's beyond annoying. While I don't think you need to be a 24/7 car enthusiast, but solutions like this are for people who just see the car as something that takes you from A to B. Thus doesn't really give a shit and just put the lights on auto.
I literally cannot see in the morning, it's fucking annoying. I live on an island connected to the mainland with tunnels and those lights sometimes go full beam inside the tunnel even if there's plenty of in-tunnel lighting.
Most of the motors on these things have plastic gears, which would likely disintegrate when hit with force like a pedestrian. With my contacts in the Australian car industry (now defunct) I’ve had this discussion several times, as I own one of the only mass-market Aussie cars with flippers that partly conceal the headlights, and the motor is very similar to 80s pop-up motors. The main reason is design freedom with styling that was brought about by projector headlight assemblies that are much more compact, and don’t need a fancy fresnel lens that limits the styling (as you can’t put them on too much of an angle). Projectors also cost a lot less that pop ups, so the automotive beancounters also pushed for them. Tightening fuel economy standards also contributed, as engineers needed better aero design.
So it’s many contemporary factors evolving in the 90s that lead to this, not pedestrian safety.
"Prone to failure" so is my sun burnt headlights on my non pop-up cars
Damn, all I've heard was only the pedestrian part
No surprise, the only car that has ever hit me as a pedestrian was a lifted pickup
No yapping, straight talk. Thanks bro +1 sub
I own a 1993 Mazda 323F and it´s the best car I´ve ever owned. Everybody around loves pop-ups! I´m sad that those cars are disapearing from the roads.
They are loved and need to make a comeback. Any reason for them being a problem is BS. There are numerous things on cars that people like that are unnecessary, pop ups should still be one of them
as someone that used to live in the snow, id rather they stay gone.
@@2drpeppersplz then just don't buy them
they are loved by retro car enthusiasts and those people are a very tiny minority. and as the guy above said, they are not good in very cold climates such as scandinavia, russia and canada. some cars don't have an option to pop them up without turning on the lights but it's not an issue anymore since cars with pop ups virtually don't exist anymore.
@marten6578 Never met a person of any age that didn't think they were cool. Not saying no one ever had an issue, especially older vacuum type but I lived in New England where it gets plenty crappy out during the winter and never had an issue on many different electrical type. All of them could be left up. There could also be just as likely of a chance the vehicle won't start if conditions are that poor. Or how about the plethora of electric vehicles that crap out all winter long. Not all cars are for all conditions and there are plenty of places people live that they only buy what works at that location. With modern tec it's as much of an issue as someone losing their keys In the morning, shit happens. A few choice options on the market won't hurt a thing
i've beem saying this for years, active collision detections systems just like the ones tha allow for the hood to pop up just before a crash in volvos and other cars can make pop up perfectly safe design choices, at least compared to the massive walls that are western pick up trucks
Why do trucks need to be some god damn large today, fr
whenever i see a big american ute like a ranger or ram theyre always parked in at least 2 spots at once
cause theyre trucks and should be used as trucks and not daily commuters for teenage boys going to school and back
Look at Reason's video on this 😉"Why are there more SUVs on the road?"
Long story short, larger trucks are immune to CAFE standards, aka they don't need to be regulated to be fuel efficient because they are so large, which makes companies more willing to produce those. It's also a self-fulfilling prophecy because more big trucks on the road means more people want to buy big trucks to be safe if there's a crash.
@@UrbanTomfoolery I always associate utes with small normal car sized pickups, calling american trucks utes makes utes look bad
The Lotus Esprit was also made until 2004
In the united states it was the insurance companys that begged congress to ban pop up headlamps ! Only due to the higher cost to repair front end damage in a crash !
Great explanation! I'd love to see a new car with popups
There is one safety issue with popups, but it's not in regards to pedestrians. Popup headlights were almost always designed in a way where they fail closed, which prevents the headlight from being used if the actuators fail or something obstructs the headlight (like ice). This can be a problem at night since it's pretty much the same as driving with a burnt out headlight.
I miss my 924 (only Porsche I've ever owned). The pop up headlights killed it in a snowstorm one night. As soon as I turned off the ignition the lights tried to lower -- caked in ice and snow they could not and the resulting electrical surge killed everything in the car (you'd think there would be a circuit breaker, huh?). My C4 (which is currently undergoing a "revision") has pop up headlights, and I think I'll take some of the ideas I've seen here and modify them a bit. The car is getting a new engine and transaxle anyway....basically it's just a platform for development work.
Great channel. Really authentic feel to it. Keep it up!
"Prone to failure" My passenger side headlight on my AE86 start to failed today :((( I'm sad as hell, but fortunately there is a manual override
this just means you can wink now
@ I mean yeah but still I would prefer not to wink and have working headlights 😅
With the Mazda iconic sp confirmed for production we might actually get them again :D
Funny enough pop ups aren't to expensive when compared to modern headlights, headlights are just EXTREMELY expensive components.
I used to love pop up headlamps when I was a kid.
My very first car was a 1989 Honda Prelude. Red, of course. Originally it was my 2nd choice, my ideal car at the time was a Celica, but the longer I owned Big Red the more I began to appreciate her. That 4 Wheel Steering was absolutely amazing, and it's crazy that only now, decades later we are finally starting to appreciate that ingenuity. ❤🏎️
with daytime running lights required the popup headlights would always need to be up which would destroy their aerodynamic advantage.
if we have the technology to help people avoid getting into corrections, self lane adjustments, additional cameras, sensors, and all sorts of things-
we can definitely have pop ups return, with the capability of detecting when you could crash and closing themselves.
i think the bigger issue now is that, pop ups still pose the problem of being either costly to replace, or that they will not fit the style modern vehicles have, with sharp flowing edges.
Straight off the bat dissed my car for 30 seconds💀💀💀😂
My 2001 Pontiac Firebird has pop-up lights!
I just opened the video because of Celica Supra A60😂
the ares panther is new and has pop ups, idk how they did it or if its sold in america but i know its a new car you can buy with pop ups
They're awesome, until they no longer raise and lower...
Fffffliplights! FLIPLIGHTS***
Ich liebe das 80er Jahre Design, finde Klappscheinwerfer sehr cool, aber das Lampendesign des Vector W8, fine ich noch um einiges cooler. (Pup-down)
Wenn Klappscheinwerfer wegen Fussgängerschgutz abgeschaft wurde, dann verstehe ich nicht, warum sich danach diese Idee nicht durchgesetzt hat.
kitchen filming setup is crazy
Bro thats my office... and living room, and bedroom, and workshop, and kitchen.
@@AndreasPetersen1I love it
He brought up the Corvette hell yeah America fuck yeah coming to say the motherfucking day yeah
America isn't saving any days. Its taking them from people who are killed by unreasonably huge fucking trucks.
RAHHHH 🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅
wtf is a kilometer ahh comment
@@guillaumejoop6437 I STILL DONT KNOW WHAT A KILOMITER IS 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🔫🦅🍔🦅🇺🇸🦅🏈
Pop up up and down headlights
The amazement in opening a video and seeing it has 6666 views
Bro I'm amazed it has over 100
good vid man
Bro your backdrop looks like a Norwegian prison cell
Yes washing soap?)
as a designer i have to say that these things have always been a thorn in my side because they disturb the overall impression and seem to be put on - it was probably more of a big show - for people who need it - thought above all that these things would disappear because of the aerodynamics
Nice end transition bro
Thanks for watching to the end bro!
You really said all cars from the 70's look the same and showed like 15 cars that are all very easily distinguishable from each other by only the grill. Oh, and all 17 of them are from the same manufacturer.
The 924 and 944 was such a wierd car for porsche to make
it was originally going to be a Volkswagen
Porsche developed the 924 for Volkswagen, who wasn't sure whether or not they were going to badge it as a Volkswagen or an Audi. But then they changed their mind at the last minute, so Porsche bought the project and produced it on their own. Hagerty has a great video on it's history if you're interested
The 944 is sick though
cool video, why are you bobbing up and down?
stimming
i just have a bouncy chair
Car guy, straightforward, and BeamNG player, subscribed 😅
The honda nsx was made until 2005, so would they be the last?
the na2s had regular headlights, it was just the na1 with popups
C5 was last
There is a max height of 54 inches and they should be no more than 36" at 100' or the height of the headlight what ever is lower for projector lights and need to illuminate the ground for 165'. (There is still a minimum height of 22")
You are getting blinded by people who them adjusted poorly since aiming them properly gives bad visibility in tall vehicles. Or some one illegally lifted their car and did not move the lights. We really need auto leveling lights and to bring that nmrange to like 12-36" for projector housings.
It's not like properly adjusted headlights give poor visibility. It's the giant hood occluding so much of the visible field that it looks like it is giving poor visibility.
@ if the headlights are too high like between 48 and 54 inches and they are projectors. To adjust them to 36" at 100 foot you are at less than 24" at 200. It is simple geometry that you get bad visibility with lights over 36"
The hood angle doesn't help.
Cybertruck: 💀
You didnt provide any arguement besides "wow pop up good jdm legend" to support your statement, you actually had more counter arguements against the pop ups, what is your point exactly?
instead of pop ups, makers could at least bring back hide away ones like the ones on the early chargers or the little eye brow on the Ferrari Daytona sp2
pop up headlights were dumb as fuck. theres nothing cool or beneficial to them and they look stupid. non of the winking is cool, never was cool.