If there was a time to fold AK preflop, I feel like this would be it - facing a 4-bet and then a 5-bet leaving very little fold equity for the 5-better. Was pretty clear someone had AA or KK in front of Andy.
I know this is aiqball making this play, but jamming with Ak off for 500BB effective, is super slim. I mean aiqball usually gives alot of info about his hand the longer you let him talk, or not talk is big as well, and you still have a guy behind that just cold 4bet. I feel like this is a hand can fold pretty safely here and not lose much if any equity. Your 25-30% equity at best in this spot. Ripping it allin especially with position on aiqball feels like you jusy dont want to have to think any more. When is iqball 5betting pf with nothing this large?? I bet not often at all especially vs 2 players. Yeah, this is just a fold. The more i talk it, its a clear fold. Your not even that committed at this point.
It's not that long ago airball 5 bet preflop with A2o. Airball has 9 combos AK, 6 combos of QQ and 6 combos of AA/KK combined in his value range. So Andy had 40% equity against the value range, very decent fold equity vs JJ,TT or smaller pp, and junk hands which are all in airball's range. It was the correct play by a decent margin. If Andy played QQ this way it would have arguably been a blunder but AK just blocks too much value. Again knowing your opponent's range is everything while playing premiums, and Andy definitely made the right move here based on logic and math instead of feelings.
@@glennhagstedt I fold this spot 90% the time live, because most people won't even 5 bet AK QQ. Hell some don't 5 bet KK. But no, preflop is all about math IF you know the range of your opponent. I can't stress it enough. You would have an argument if you are Andy if you perceive airball adjusts his range against you or handz in particular. But there's no 'maybe not math wise' on preflop. The moment you deviate from math you leak EV for maybe less volatility. And that should only happen if you are playing the wrong game for your bankroll. Again, 40% equity against airball's value range only. That's a slam dunk shove if we assume airball has no bluffs at all which is obviously not true. If you include even 10 combos of bluffs it's not even close.
AK shove vs. Airball's 5 bet range is not a bad play at all. It only looks bad because you can see the cards. Even if you remove semi-bluffs from Airball's range that still leaves either TT, JJ, QQ which Andy is almost flipping against or some suited Ax hand like AQ which Andy dominates with his AK. So basically flipping vs. TT, JJ, QQ and either dominating vs. AJs & AQs or chopping vs. another AK. Andy knows due to card removal that AA and KK are extremely unlikely hands for Airball because he is holding AK himself, so he most likely deduced that Airball had QQ or JJ, so with 2x run outs that's not a bad spot to be in. Also Andy doesn't shove AK vs every player in that spot either. He's played thousands of hands with Airball, there's a ton of history. Also if Airball was semi bluffing with the 5 bet, Andy could have induced a fold and scooped well over 100k without even seeing a flop. You need to assess the game theory and player tendencies, not just the actual cards in that particular hand.
Is it possible that Andy makes this play against Nik because of Nik's reputation for volatilaty? Since Andy has removal against AA and KK, maybe he thought Nik was making a play here?
Who could have figured that the TH-cam comment TH-cam section doesn’t understand how probabilities work? Colored me shocked. PS: in the long run it doesn’t make any difference, you are just limiting the variance by running it twice.
What people don’t realize about running it twice is that it doesn’t favor any one. If it did non of the professionals would do it. All it does is lower variance. You can still win both run outs with AK. The reason you feel that running twice is bad is because after you win the first run out, obviously there are less Aces in the deck now and your chances are lower on your second run. But you also need to take into considerations when you lose your first run out, your chances improves on the 2nd run out. How does this happen you might ask. It is because the first time you rum it you have 3 ace to hit out of 48 cards. But if you lose that run out, on your second run it will be 3 out of 43 due 5 cards being removed from the first runout, hence improving your chance on 2nd run out. Fwiw I’ve been played poker for a living for 6 years now.
@@justmusic2353 True. Also, often times if its a big pot, it makes the players feel like they at least get a "second chance" especially if theyre playing against someone they know well.
You haven’t played much poker. It makes perfect sense for AK to run it twice vs KK since AK is the underdog and needs to hit an ace to win the hand. By running it twice, he gets two chances to hit that ace. A split is a great outcome here for AK. Doesn’t take a scientist to understand that.
you answered your own question. if he check raises an overbet on the river, he is only getting called by a better boat. and if andy is bluffing there is no need to raise
Wow this is the first time that Mike X has ever considered running it twice. I'm so glad that finally Mike X is starting to get smart about the running it twice situation. Unless you are a billionaire where anything you win goes to charity, you need to look for your own interest at the poker table. Look at this hand both Nik and Andy agree to run it twice to reduce the variance since the equities never change. Cash is so different from tournament play where there is no such thing as running it twice, but cash games rules can be bend more easily to accommodate high stakes players due to the monster pots they can be playing for.
Is believe the specific dealers they use for this stream make Insaine hourly. The players love them and are very generous. Wouldn’t be surprised if they make about 100-130k
@@gabelincoln3608 he means 100-130k/yr but that their hourly rate must be very high. 100k comes out to $50/hr if they work 40hrs/wk. They probably work less than that but even at half i'd be shocked if they didn't make $100/hr
@@gabelincoln3608 ive got no idea how much they get tipped but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s less than we think. (they specifically have small denomination chips just for tips) and I wouldnt be shocked if players are stingy. Plus keep in mind the big game only runs one night a week and they cycle through at least 3 dealers in the 7-9ish hr time frame. so you’re probably only getting 2-3 hours in the 100/200 game. All that being said I think 100-130k is the absolute floor of what they make. even if there’s only one game at 100/200 a week theres still a couple relatively big games. and even if some players are stingy theres a lot of rich businessman that cycle through that are probably splashy enough with tips. So 200k+ is definitely possible. I’ve never been a dealer but in my experience a lot of times from the outside in a lot of careers seem like theyre way more lucrative than they actually are.
If you always run twice, you will never be playing your best and never feel the real pain if you only run it once and that's how poker should be. This is the only sport that allows second chance. You will never see that in any other competitive game or sport.
That is some seriously bad luck to get Kings vs AK all in preflop & only chop, he's just lucky he ran it twice. I would've had an out loud "ARE YOU SERIOUS" when that Ace came on the first run-out River.
The worst thing about the gameplay on HCL live streams is running it twice. Especially on huge pots. For some reason, regardless of the equities, its a chop like 90% of the time. Every single Friday stream has atleast 2 or 3 big pots that was chopped due to running it twice. Its disappointing to the spectators when this often happens. I hope they can adjust the rules of Friday streams to just running it once. This would even improve the gameplay and make all players think more than twice before shoving.
Nah dude you run it twice to avoid variance. These guys have money but losing $300k to a 12% equity hurts. Think about it would you even think of gambling big money if you knew one card could come and crush you? All this does is reduce variance. Andy was crushed and hit one of like 2 outs (maybe 3 tops) on the first run out and rightfully lost the second one.
You do realize this is real money? They not required to please the spectators.. don’t watch if you can’t stand chops. It’s a part of the game. 750k pot give me a break
Running twice makes players more aggressive and confident to shove with allin with draw. Draw cards should not be aggressive like that. That's only because they can run it twice.
@@AlCologne9 Hahaha. What? They are playing on an invitation only stream, precisely for our entertainment. If they wanted to play on regular tables they could, obviously. You defending these "players" is hilarious. Run it once, like real poker. In this situation if they ran it once Andy felts the arch nemesis Airball and the crowd goes wild. As it is it's just a junk of a hand.
You losing player numb nuts fail to take Handz bloating of the pot into account. If Handz doesn't cold 4, and just folds, you can bet all the money doesn't go in preflop and they play a smaller pot
Airball didn't get screwed. He was fortunate they ran it twice. No matter what stakes, AK preflop is always a huge hand until the river no matter what it's up against except AA.
@@juni4505 It's definitely played differently between tournament and cash. The table dynamic makes a big difference too. There is just so much AK suited or unsuited can do to wreck pocket pairs that aren't AA. When I play the hand preflop, I want to see all 5 cards and this is a great example why, at least the first board.
A second act should have came on the flop for Andy. Max pain for Airball as his funds are getting dried up. Andy should have gone just once like he always does. MAX PAIN Andy !
So many losing player numb nuts in chat and comments section (as usual) failing to take Handz bloating of the pot into account. If Handz doesn't cold 4, and just folds, you can bet all the money doesn't go in preflop and they play a smaller pot.
It would be great if there are another Ace on river
It had to be the A of ♣️ the A of ❤️ would have given Nik the flush.
I hate both of them
@@thaThRONe Andy*
@@brandonmcgillis No. Nik. It would have given Nik the flush with the ace of hearts.
Mike x folded the Ace of ❤, so he wouldn’t be hitting that 😂
Lauren was so happy when that ace came. I heard her praying 1 more time please
How do you know?
Is it cause he always nags for her to deal quickly?
why dies TH-cam put comment spoilers below every video
I'm so frustrated ans confused! I thought Andy only goes ONCE!
I was so ecstatic to see a river Ace. But then Andy went on bluff tilt
I guess even Andy was afraid of going once with 350k
Good to see Handz at the table...I haven't seen him since he got absolutely rinsed by Keating.
Hilarious that they are both disappointed winning $19k lol
Andy is not disappointed
@@samronalds7799 yea he is because he usually runs once and would of been 300k richer
If there was a time to fold AK preflop, I feel like this would be it - facing a 4-bet and then a 5-bet leaving very little fold equity for the 5-better. Was pretty clear someone had AA or KK in front of Andy.
true. I think it’s a pure fold from gto but these two guys are pretty crazy
Cuz ts from airball
Lauren does not seem to like Nik very much
Guess you don’t know the backstory
@@rowlandroderickpiper what backstory?
@@rowlandroderickpiper i don't can you fill me in?
Andy ain't messing around
I know this is aiqball making this play, but jamming with Ak off for 500BB effective, is super slim. I mean aiqball usually gives alot of info about his hand the longer you let him talk, or not talk is big as well, and you still have a guy behind that just cold 4bet. I feel like this is a hand can fold pretty safely here and not lose much if any equity. Your 25-30% equity at best in this spot. Ripping it allin especially with position on aiqball feels like you jusy dont want to have to think any more. When is iqball 5betting pf with nothing this large?? I bet not often at all especially vs 2 players. Yeah, this is just a fold. The more i talk it, its a clear fold. Your not even that committed at this point.
It's not that long ago airball 5 bet preflop with A2o. Airball has 9 combos AK, 6 combos of QQ and 6 combos of AA/KK combined in his value range. So Andy had 40% equity against the value range, very decent fold equity vs JJ,TT or smaller pp, and junk hands which are all in airball's range. It was the correct play by a decent margin.
If Andy played QQ this way it would have arguably been a blunder but AK just blocks too much value. Again knowing your opponent's range is everything while playing premiums, and Andy definitely made the right move here based on logic and math instead of feelings.
I think it was 200bb deep? 1600 straddle I believe? Its the positions that caused this, still a bit slim though I agree.
Thanks genius, and why i dont see tou playing these stakes againts these guys??? So stfu just watch
@@glennhagstedt I fold this spot 90% the time live, because most people won't even 5 bet AK QQ. Hell some don't 5 bet KK. But no, preflop is all about math IF you know the range of your opponent. I can't stress it enough. You would have an argument if you are Andy if you perceive airball adjusts his range against you or handz in particular.
But there's no 'maybe not math wise' on preflop. The moment you deviate from math you leak EV for maybe less volatility. And that should only happen if you are playing the wrong game for your bankroll. Again, 40% equity against airball's value range only. That's a slam dunk shove if we assume airball has no bluffs at all which is obviously not true. If you include even 10 combos of bluffs it's not even close.
@@Young-ep8ik 100% correctly, but you are trying to explain pf maths to nits playing nl50 🤷
Why is it that we so many very good poker players over play AK? Andy got lucky.
How is that an overplay?
@@jasonli4961 getting in ako for 160bb not much to explain
fold equity
@@jones1294 literally can only get ak to fold, tell me the 5 bet bluffs
AK shove vs. Airball's 5 bet range is not a bad play at all. It only looks bad because you can see the cards. Even if you remove semi-bluffs from Airball's range that still leaves either TT, JJ, QQ which Andy is almost flipping against or some suited Ax hand like AQ which Andy dominates with his AK. So basically flipping vs. TT, JJ, QQ and either dominating vs. AJs & AQs or chopping vs. another AK. Andy knows due to card removal that AA and KK are extremely unlikely hands for Airball because he is holding AK himself, so he most likely deduced that Airball had QQ or JJ, so with 2x run outs that's not a bad spot to be in. Also Andy doesn't shove AK vs every player in that spot either. He's played thousands of hands with Airball, there's a ton of history. Also if Airball was semi bluffing with the 5 bet, Andy could have induced a fold and scooped well over 100k without even seeing a flop. You need to assess the game theory and player tendencies, not just the actual cards in that particular hand.
Does airball have a home or does he just nap on the floor by the slot machines in between streams?
Why the hell didn't he check raise there??? Scared of the case queen with a king???
I felt my stomach do a backflip when that Ace hit the river.
@@FBSclan1 Don't read comments until you have watched the video.
@@sinatra222 sage advice
@@FBSclan1 or don't read comments instead of watching the video but u prob seen it anyways and ur just trolling
@@ItsBeausy lmao dude have you ever heard of top comment? This comment is displayed WITHOUT TAPPING ON COMMENTS. It is an absolute spoiler.
@@sinatra222 buddy, your comment is the top comment. You don't need to click comments to see yours.
The nearest casino is more than 200km away, only opens the poker room from Thursday to Sunday and I work every weekend.😢
What would make these shows much better is always having to run it once
They do that on Mondays, no running twice
not their money so the players should always decide
They should run it a 3rd rime if the first 2 split or just run it 3 times regardless
Or they should have run it 10 times but the 10th doesnt count.
TAKE A HIKE
So annoying when they waste all that time, having the dealer figure it a third of the pot
Soooo the final hand in this clip. Why does Airball just snap flat? He and Andy on same roll?
What is handz doing there??
Is it possible that Andy makes this play against Nik because of Nik's reputation for volatilaty? Since Andy has removal against AA and KK, maybe he thought Nik was making a play here?
In my opinion it doesn't make sense to run run ace king vs kings twice, you have no chance to win it. Just run jt one, hope for an ace and prey.
But what if you miss the Ace on the first run?
Who could have figured that the TH-cam comment TH-cam section doesn’t understand how probabilities work?
Colored me shocked.
PS: in the long run it doesn’t make any difference, you are just limiting the variance by running it twice.
What people don’t realize about running it twice is that it doesn’t favor any one. If it did non of the professionals would do it. All it does is lower variance.
You can still win both run outs with AK. The reason you feel that running twice is bad is because after you win the first run out, obviously there are less Aces in the deck now and your chances are lower on your second run. But you also need to take into considerations when you lose your first run out, your chances improves on the 2nd run out. How does this happen you might ask.
It is because the first time you rum it you have 3 ace to hit out of 48 cards. But if you lose that run out, on your second run it will be 3 out of 43 due 5 cards being removed from the first runout, hence improving your chance on 2nd run out.
Fwiw I’ve been played poker for a living for 6 years now.
@@justmusic2353 True. Also, often times if its a big pot, it makes the players feel like they at least get a "second chance" especially if theyre playing against someone they know well.
You haven’t played much poker. It makes perfect sense for AK to run it twice vs KK since AK is the underdog and needs to hit an ace to win the hand. By running it twice, he gets two chances to hit that ace. A split is a great outcome here for AK. Doesn’t take a scientist to understand that.
Air played that last hand well
I’m amazed he didn’t raise
"How many times you wanna run it?"
"Oh, I dunno, how about five times?"
who was saying “quicker” to the dealer?
Why didn’t Nik check raise the last hand with Q10? No chance he’s getting called by Andy but I don’t understand just calling.
Right?? It’s the absolute nuts
Because when Andy bets 60k into 38k on that river he either has a full house or is bluffing
you answered your own question. if he check raises an overbet on the river, he is only getting called by a better boat. and if andy is bluffing there is no need to raise
Your level is not there yet.. be patience and play more
@@Matzes Is there any value there in not having to showdown your hand though? Honest question
That’s why you run it twice, whether ahead or behind.
I'm not 6 bet shoving into this hand with AKo. One of your opponents likely have a big pair.
Wow this is the first time that Mike X has ever considered running it twice. I'm so glad that finally Mike X is starting to get smart about the running it twice situation. Unless you are a billionaire where anything you win goes to charity, you need to look for your own interest at the poker table. Look at this hand both Nik and Andy agree to run it twice to reduce the variance since the equities never change.
Cash is so different from tournament play where there is no such thing as running it twice, but cash games rules can be bend more easily to accommodate high stakes players due to the monster pots they can be playing for.
How many times would you guys have chosen to run if you had Andy's hand. Be honest.
As many times as it takes to hit an ace
Is believe the specific dealers they use for this stream make Insaine hourly. The players love them and are very generous. Wouldn’t be surprised if they make about 100-130k
Easy
Not hourly
@@gabelincoln3608 he means 100-130k/yr but that their hourly rate must be very high. 100k comes out to $50/hr if they work 40hrs/wk. They probably work less than that but even at half i'd be shocked if they didn't make $100/hr
@@noThankyou-g5c I thought you meant a night. If they keep all the tips they must make at least a quarter mil
@@gabelincoln3608 ive got no idea how much they get tipped but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s less than we think. (they specifically have small denomination chips just for tips) and I wouldnt be shocked if players are stingy. Plus keep in mind the big game only runs one night a week and they cycle through at least 3 dealers in the 7-9ish hr time frame. so you’re probably only getting 2-3 hours in the 100/200 game. All that being said I think 100-130k is the absolute floor of what they make. even if there’s only one game at 100/200 a week theres still a couple relatively big games. and even if some players are stingy theres a lot of rich businessman that cycle through that are probably splashy enough with tips. So 200k+ is definitely possible.
I’ve never been a dealer but in my experience a lot of times from the outside in a lot of careers seem like theyre way more lucrative than they actually are.
Handz does an Incredible impression of a 3-Toed Sloth
whats the point of all these huge pots if players always wants to run it miltiple time
They should of ran it once . Always once no matter what . Andy should of scooped .❤
I wanted to see that one outer otr
How much net worth you need, to all in 300,000 like that
2 million
"running it twice".... not poker
I understand for the players running it twice, but man let's go fo great TV max pain one time
no idea why airball doesnt even consider raising that river. seems bad
If you always run twice, you will never be playing your best and never feel the real pain if you only run it once and that's how poker should be. This is the only sport that allows second chance. You will never see that in any other competitive game or sport.
When they run it twice it's a waste of time for the viewers. We wanna see people win and lose big
Jungleman has multiple personalities 😂😂😂
That isn’t jungleman. That’s micky angelo
How did airball get his wealth initially?
HCL must kicked from streaming session, player who buy short in... stream session must be equal amount of stake bought
4 bet with 54s 🤣
That is some seriously bad luck to get Kings vs AK all in preflop & only chop, he's just lucky he ran it twice. I would've had an out loud "ARE YOU SERIOUS" when that Ace came on the first run-out River.
Would've felt bad about the Ace, except it was Airbags.
Thought they were running it once
Andy should run once. It the odds is against it. Less time it is better. Only 3 out. So run it 10X vs once.
Airball was so scared that he went twice with kings.
Ehm airball said "up to you" and Andy decided to run it twice
Andy should have said ONLY ONCE
Handz had AKos beat on both run-outs until the river.
And behind Kings all the way
Crazy how dentist Dave had 97 😂😂 he would’ve won both run outs if it went 3 way all in preflop 😂 1.1m pot
this is why I like max pain monday lol
Stacks are smaller thou
Second ace on the river and its over
Hands....out of line pre....wtf
Слишком легкий Фолл префлоп с АКо
Running it twice makes it so lame.
Why are they pretending they are happy to sit and flip for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Its all just luck in the end
The worst thing about the gameplay on HCL live streams is running it twice. Especially on huge pots. For some reason, regardless of the equities, its a chop like 90% of the time. Every single Friday stream has atleast 2 or 3 big pots that was chopped due to running it twice. Its disappointing to the spectators when this often happens. I hope they can adjust the rules of Friday streams to just running it once. This would even improve the gameplay and make all players think more than twice before shoving.
let's see what you would say playing with 350k in your stack lmfao
Nah dude you run it twice to avoid variance. These guys have money but losing $300k to a 12% equity hurts. Think about it would you even think of gambling big money if you knew one card could come and crush you? All this does is reduce variance. Andy was crushed and hit one of like 2 outs (maybe 3 tops) on the first run out and rightfully lost the second one.
it's only disappointing if NIK DONKBALL loses the first one 😆
You do realize this is real money? They not required to please the spectators.. don’t watch if you can’t stand chops. It’s a part of the game. 750k pot give me a break
Running twice makes players more aggressive and confident to shove with allin with draw. Draw cards should not be aggressive like that. That's only because they can run it twice.
RUN IT ONCE !!!!! This is ruining the streams.. PLEASE PLEASE change the rules !!!!!!
Yes!! Your entertainment is important...much more than their hundreds of thousands of dollars.
@@AlCologne9 Hahaha. What? They are playing on an invitation only stream, precisely for our entertainment. If they wanted to play on regular tables they could, obviously. You defending these "players" is hilarious. Run it once, like real poker.
In this situation if they ran it once Andy felts the arch nemesis Airball and the crowd goes wild. As it is it's just a junk of a hand.
Pretty sure every single person jumped for joy when that Ace hit on the river. Nik airball looks inbred with that head
Andy’s last name is Chan, Johnny Chan is the father.
45s 4b in a bad position？wtf This Hands think about？？？
The overplay on AK is insane
You losing player numb nuts fail to take Handz bloating of the pot into account. If Handz doesn't cold 4, and just folds, you can bet all the money doesn't go in preflop and they play a smaller pot
Nik Airball is calm not too excited like usual, bizarre HHHHHHHHH
hes thinkin thats a lot of burgers lol
It was a split pot. So what ?
Nik's image is already superior. Andy got really lucky
Going twice ……. Bah !!!!
That's a tough one for Airball. He had him and he got screwed down to a chop.
Even a 22 would have been the same
Airball didn't get screwed. He was fortunate they ran it twice. No matter what stakes, AK preflop is always a huge hand until the river no matter what it's up against except AA.
@@eltoroloco1936 true. When you open your tracker AK is one of hands you win most.
Ugh..ur pre screwed against Kings as well man.
You have 3 outs to hit ur ace..and thats assuming no one else folded an ace in a full table.
@@juni4505 It's definitely played differently between tournament and cash. The table dynamic makes a big difference too. There is just so much AK suited or unsuited can do to wreck pocket pairs that aren't AA. When I play the hand preflop, I want to see all 5 cards and this is a great example why, at least the first board.
Airball is annoying
Damn I thought they ran it only once. I stopped breathing when that Ace came. It’s a good thing they chopped. PHEW 😮💨
These cash gamers rate AK too high.
“AK is not a pair”
A second act should have came on the flop for Andy. Max pain for Airball as his funds are getting dried up. Andy should have gone just once like he always does. MAX PAIN Andy !
Andy definetly overplayed his AKo
1000bb with ako ? Did he know how to play poker?
200bb, the straddle is 1600.
@@crypty9365 the straddle is not combined with sb/bb it is not auto straddle
Stream intern knows we love watching airball get popped lol
So many losing player numb nuts in chat and comments section (as usual) failing to take Handz bloating of the pot into account. If Handz doesn't cold 4, and just folds, you can bet all the money doesn't go in preflop and they play a smaller pot.
Does that mean Andy was coolered and didn't play it bad?
Andy is pro? I am very doubt about it
He has a website where he teaches poker
hellmuth's 20k all in , no fks given
Going all in preflop with AK off is realy bad when you are that deep imo. If you chose to go all in sometimes (not always) at least chose AKs.
Fxn jungleman making the blown-out decision to wear his girlfriend clothes to the stream
God running it once would’ve been so nice
Featuring a choppie?
To be fair it's a 3/4 of a $1m pot and prior to watching we don't know it gets chopped.
Note to self: don't 6 bet AKo pre
R.I.P. value-bet
Nik airball with no hair...
Had a lot of respect for Andy till this hand .
Easy fold for Andy
Is there a player more hated than Nik?
Barry greenstein baby
Andy played bad with AK, so amateur and unprofessional
I know, right. Especially how the pre-flop betting played out
All that for a chop.
Copped pot who cares
Hands is so weaked…
andy真的是盲目
Andy go 🎉
Running it twice is LAME AF
Handz..I promise its not hard to fold 45 suited to a 3bet lol
I really, really enjoy watching Airball lose.
Once would have been so filthy
poker baby