Metal Planer Restoration - Part 29: Scraping the Planer Table V-Ways
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Thanks Keith, always a welcome visitor to my home!
Good work. I had never heard of scraping until I saw one of Abom's 79 videos. Never saw a electric scraper. Good job, enjoyed
That table printed up super nice. I would leave it too!
Your level of perfection and attention to detail is amazing. This is an incredible project. Thank you for sharing. I’m excited to see the parts you will make on this machine.
You got a good workout there, Keith. Can't wait for full assembly day(s)!
Keith, job well done! Now this machine is ready for another 100+ years
I had to take a break from the vid. My back hurts. Progress! Awesome.
Awesome video. I'm excited to see this mammoth machine back together, & working as it was intended to!
Let me first say for fear of being coined a lounge chair critic, your content is great, I am hands on all my life and appreciate all things mechanical, learning my living by trial and error, long hours, perseverance and hard work. I believe,cycling the table from end to end in search of a pattern you can rely on wont give you a true feel for the mating of the two surfaces because in doing so, the overhang weight of the sliding table will cause contact to infinitely change as it progress's either way. I realize the amount of effort this thing requires and hope you might stop and think about this for a moment. Cheers!!
Like a kid in a lolly shop! Haven't seen Keith this happy for a while! Uplifting!!! Great job. God Bless.
Awesome job Keith! I find your video content and explanation very well done. I have enjoyed watching your Channel for at least 2 years and hope I can continue for the next 10+. Stay safe, God Bless!
I really hope that there are apprentices working with Keith. His vast knowledge is becoming a lost art.
I think that's us, the viewers.👊👍😉
Love watching the 10x speed ups! LOL
scraping is making a comeback
Very Very nice work. I went back to when you had the ways ground because I was concerned about the rack and pinion gear mesh clearance but you took care of that when the pack surface on the table was ground to match. That's thinking way down the road. good stuff. I can't wait to see her in action.
That looked like quite a workout running that table back and forth. Great video.
This whole process is really interesting to me. Some day we will see the first chips made on this machine. Looking forward to that.
Pretty certain it has made a whole lot of chips already, if not then why would the ways need to be reground?
It's such a pleasure to come along on this journey.
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Looking great! Can't wait to see it make chips!
Excellent job as I expected.
Thanks for the update. The effort going into this machine is very impressive. Looking forward to the continuing process.
Fantastic Job! Couldn't ask for better scraping. Looking froward to the rest of the rebuild.
I know nothing about planner, but after 29 episods I’m very exited to see it ging. Great work and teaching.
Hey Keith Rucker! Greetings from Vancouver BC Canada! Thank you for the nice vids! I hope you are able to stay safe and hydrated! Ride ride ride!
When I worked in the shop on a scrapping job like this, we had a push button control for the hoist 🤣 When you sped up the video, I swear, I could feel the vibrations, like I was back doing it again.
Keith- great stuff here. I am trying to think about the table ways hitting hard on the ends. Normally say on our surface grinders where the table is fully supported this is perfect. Since your table will hang off the end I am thinking you will like more solid contact. I say run it a while and see hou it looks. It is so easy down the road to touch it up if needed.
Wow Keith... after scraping the other ways I really expected you to keep this surface as is. Respect for getting the courage to scrape this as well!
I can't wait to see this machine in action!
I really like your restoration projects and finally the planer goes back together, I hope getting my lathe finished soon.
One major milestone on the planer. Great job Keith, as far as i'm concerned, this was a gargantuan effort from you to do so far, and i can't wait to see this beast work.
Can't wait to see this thing running. It will be a real gem when finished!
Keith, the whole way through this episode I was "hoping and praying" you would get your result. Man, you did it! Well done.
Ole Smiley man!! Congratulations on this step!
Enjoying the content I'm from your neck of the woods
Beautiful finish on the ways there, I'm glad to see that's finally done. Hopefully you'll be making chips with this machine in the next few months.
Man, I'm really excited for seeing the first projects done on this nice piece of machinery
Keith, a big day for your project. You can see the light at the end of the tunnel now. Soon you’ll be using it! Great job.
Congratulations. A lot of hard work to get to this major milestone.
Can't wait to see the finished product. Great job Keith
Bonjour Keith,
What an original way of doing indoor sport during this difficult containment period :+)
Besides this, This means we will soon see how this huge machine works, not common ! And I never would have imagined how you had to be so accurate for a so large tool.
Amicalement, Raphaël
Looking really good Keith let's getter done now
Am delighted that it went so well, look forward to seeing the progress to a working machine
this machine is going too be so good it'll be better then when it left the factory good job Keith thanks can not wait for the finish & making chips !!!
Keith, I've been waiting for this for years. I think it's been years....and it's so close! I can't wait to see the first chips!
That is a big machine. Good on you for restoring it. You will soon have all of the internet lining up to have their lathe beds planed flat again. Shame you don't live closer to me :)
You shouldn't be commenting on here, you're supposed to be polishing your turd 😁
Great series Keith, really enjoying seeing this piece of history come back to life!
Amazing work and effort ! Can’t wait to see the finished product.
Hi Keith, interesting video well done, nice machine.
Fantastic ready for her to go back together ready to see her go to work
That's a lot of scraping, but at least you didn't have to hand scrape it. Excellent work - awesome machine. Thanks.
Keith, Awesome video Especially the keystone cop fast forward parts, very much enjoyed watching your video, thanks for sharing your video.!.!.!.
Wow! That's a lot of work. Very interesting. Nicely done.
Won’t be long till those big shavings will be dropping on the floor. I’m excited 😎👍👏
Hey Keith.. have you ever seen John Switzer Black Bear forge? Here is how he makes his parts.. it's real interesting.. I told him about your YT site.. you guys have a lot in common.. This metal plainer will never need to be worked on in your life time again.. precision work my friend... Your site is always great fun and inspirational thank... Carry on!
Great job, looking forward to future videos and seeing this machine come together.
Keith Keith put it together ITS 😊 good!
An old-timer friend of mine said that the trick to not getting old is not making “old man” noises.
Jim Melber, sometimes it’s hard to keep them in!
Good going, Keith.
Cudoes to the GRINDERS for the work they did.It sure helps when you can do your portion quickly!!!
Congrats! A lot of work involved to get where your at.
Sehr gut!! mach weiter so!!!
You have to like it when something comes together like this.
Keep up the good work Keith! Enjoy all your content.
As usual Kieth, you have great content in your videos. I hope you did not sustain any storm damage on your property yesterday as those tornadoes moved through your area.
Best Regards,
THANK YOU...for sharing.
Really nice job, hope everything else goes ok,good luck please stay safe. Thanks
congratulations! keep it up, you're a joy to watch.
Man that's alot of work. Looking good
Thank you for the video! Stiff back, I suspect, but worth it. It’s interesting to think of that massive base as flexing to conform to the supports. How did you flip the table over? Two pulleys on the lift with two sets of attachment eyes?
congrats!!!! great discussion/demonstration
Excellent progress!
Hi Keith, I have been a wood worker for over 50 years. I really enjoy you and your videos. Because of you I now have some interest in machining. I understand why its necessary but I am confused about the scrapping and your scrapping tool. Can you do a short video on that scrapping tool and how it works. Thanks Mike from NJ
Check the video list. He has several videos on the process and tools. Click on the Vintage Machinery icon at the top of this list and the list of videos is there.
@@royreynolds108 Thank you Roy, I`m stuck in my house and my wife has me painting the bathroom. I will check out the Video's ASAP. NJ Mike
Keith? Damn.. Are you going to be milling friggin' billion dollar space telescope mirrors on this thing?
Hiya Keith
This project is always enjoyable to watch. It makes my back ache too. Just one minor point: when you fit the top frame back, won't the additional weight add further distortion at the points between the legs?
Having the middle of the table a little light is fine. When you put something on the table it will probably be in the middle, and that will somewhat bow the truss.
GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO, KEITH (LET GO TO WORK)
Whew! I’m exhausted!
Keith, excellent job scraping her in. Really makes we want to get going on restoring my 1946 Atlas/Craftsman 10" lathe. I know you noticed some issues with the oiling of the ways and you mentioned the possibility of coming up with a remedy for it. Have you decided against that? I think an appropriately sized one-shot oiler and either a Z- groove on the lower ways would give this machine a better shot at staying 100% accurate into the next millennium.
I was surprised to hear that much noise coming from the gearset. I know they are all straight cut and don't have any lubrication but will it be that noisy when it runs normally or is there some adjustment and/or lubrication to be done before it starts seeing real work? Just curious. Good job on them ways!
Hey Keith I've been watching your videos for quite a while now and learning a little bit about scraping.. I have a kind of long-winded question.. here we go. If you scrape one side with 40 points of contact per inch.. and running against a perfectly ground surface, that allows oil to flow between the two surfaces... I get that but..?? if you increase the points of contact on the precisely ground surface.. doesn't that create a marble against marble type service if that makes any sense?? (Hard steel bearings against a perfectly smooth surface vs hard steel bearings against hard steel bearings.??) Just a scientific question if you can answer it send me a direct message I I'm really curious when it gets down to hundreds of a thousands of an inch does the oil keep the two surfaces away from each other?? By the way I understand, you are doing this for us!!! to demonstrate how to make the most perfect precision ground surface ever to be made short of maybe NASA,!!! or itty bitty medical grade stuff!! I'm loving every minute of it you're an excellent teacher!!! Thank you for the entertainment in these rough times!! If there was a way to give you two thumbs up I would do it!! I know there are ways to donate but I'm broke 😭😭😭..
Exited to see this!
Amazing patients in scraping this project, I was wondering if you are keeping a time table on labor since you started this project. I know I have a few hours of viewing this project...Lol.
IMHO - you really need an aprentice/student/warm body to help with things like moving heavy parts, cleaning new arrivals, and asking "simple" questions. Besides it is never a good idea to work alone and even a worse idea when we get as old as we are.
Wow!
Sometimes knowing when to stop is best.
Hi Keith, could you tell me how much you spent on grinding the machine ?? Nice job scraping the ways. That is something I really enjoy doing. Shame you are so far away. I would give you a hand scraping our way to fame and fortune. Keep up the great work fella. VF
when the Western world brings back manufacturing to it shores, hopefully there will be a renaissance of using machines like this and new opportunities for apprenticeships and employment for all the people who enjoy this kind of thing! here in the UK the practical oldschool skills are still alive but the satisfaction of making things is relatively difficult to find in employment. Its great to see your videos keeping these skills alive, as we will need them soon enough.
Did you ever finish the lubrication system? Thanks again for all the videos on the restoration.
Scraped surfaces could use a coat of Moly rubbed in before final assembly.
@Abom79 favorite!👊👍
Keith, what´s the deal with gear contact betwhean bet and base ? Are contact change when you doing scraping ?
The scraping seems to be going very well although I'm a little dismayed you're leaving those holidays uncorrected. However they are scattered and total a small percentage of the bearing so maybe I'm too fussy.
I am very concerned about the table drive gearing. If it makes that much racket under hand operation it may be deafening under power. The problem is not only auditory. The gear noise is evidence the table motion will be predominately tooth by tooth surges instead of a smooth flow of power. The table drive surges being small but significant variations of the table speed will imprint into the finish.
The gear vibration will also transmit through the planer structure to the tool contributing its own imprint into the work, recording it to some degree as sound was once recorded in the spiral groove of a phonograph record. This is only an esthetic problem for much of the work you'll encounter but it may make fine finishes (such as linear bearing surfaces for cross-heads and re-tooling machine slideways) very difficult to obtain, multiplying the scraper work required to obtain bearing and fit - negating the very purpose of a planer as a rebuilder's prep machine which is to greatly reduce scraping time.
If your goal is to restore your New Haven planer as a static display exhibit my concerns are moot. But if you anticipate using this machine to produce planed parts, I fear you may find the uncorrected gearing noise vexing and the fine finishes obtained less than satisfactory.
I suggest you examine the gearing noting assembled backlash, flank wear, tooth bearing, etc.
As I recall he just kinda slapped that part together with an impact gun(perhaps temporarily?), so there are probably gains to be made just taking the bolts loose and wiggling things around into better alignment.
You guys realize that in 1890 that was probably normal? I believe those gears are as cast. If he wants a butter smooth planner he'll have to gut it and convert to hydraulic.
@@TheMetalButcher Gearing destined for Golden Age machine tool spindle and table drives were hardly as cast. Gear technology was booming about 1890 with the advent of gear hobbing, the Fellows gear shaper, and the Gleason system of bevel gear cutting to mention a few. Gears don't last forever particularly exposed gearing subject to intermittent lubrication, chips, and airborne debris. I'd submit Keith's New Haven planer was furnished with good gearing for the time, relatively quiet and smooth running, possibly audible in operation but not objectionable: certainly not running rough enough to inhibit conversation and the quality of attainable finish. Planer manufacturers of the day were hotly competitive and New Haven was a successful outfit equivalent in quality to Gray, Morton, Sellars, and others. It would be a miracle if, after generations of operation, the tooth profiles of Keith's planer table drive gearing wasn't worn beyond acceptable limits.
I've re-cut and re-ringed many worn gear pairs where center distances were adjustable but that may be prohibitive in expense for this application. Instead, I suggest looking into substituting the nearest equivalent stock gearing from Boston Gear, Dodge, etc. Remember to replace gears in meshing pairs. A worn-out gear running with a new one inevitably offers no improvement in power capacity, noise, or longevity. A gear shop might possibly assist in some way in exchange for mention.
Replacement gearing may be a specialty but it needn't be expensive if the available sources and resources were fully utilized.
@@TheMetalButcher I think you're around a century off in that assessment, I doubt a precision machine tool in 1890 would have as cast gears anywhere. At that point manual machine tool tech in general was mostly solidified and I'd hazard a guess precision gear cutting was well established.
Edit: Furthermore, assuming it would fit through the uprights this machine could literally cut a new pinion gear for itself with the single point method.
So let's hope it is still nice and straight after final assembly...
Did you need to make provision for the gear and the rack to be engaged more deeply after grinding removed some material?
Thanks comment more later
The pattern looks nice. Is the rack bottming out?
You have my permission to skip jazzercise tonight!
Great work there Keith. A question if I may. Do you plan on making any adjustments regarding the gearing in terms of backlash? Hasn’t that factor changed significantly since both parts were ground?
Enough scraping, we need some more buildening and planing! ]:>
Scraping is good for workout.
@@Drottninggatan2017 What else does he have to do???? LOL