Are you a machinist? No. Do you work in a machine shop? No. Have you ever even used a lathe or mill? No. Have you done any metal work, in ANY capacity, aside from a bit of welding way back in highschool? No. And yet you watch every video this guy releases? Yes.
I just got a china cnc mill a month ago, and just picked up welder last night. Ive been 3d printing and designing circuits for a while, thought it was time to up my game.
@@andersjjensen Same. I honestly couldn't have even told you what a machinist did a few years back. Then I wondered what a video titled "This Old Boring Head" could be about, and here I am.
@22:00 you pulled the X back on habit, thats why your DRO was reading .040 out ;) you did everything correctly, just forgot not to pull back. it happens to the best of us, obviously, as it happened to you haha! cheers Tony!
@@TheMetalButcher I do it every time haha! It gets frustrating if I dont pay attention to my dials haha. I just made some small parts on thursday for my truck, and did it a few times haha
@@TheMetalButcher My lathe has horrid X axis accuracy.. .010" graduations, and unless you want to use the compound, you're pretty much stuck.. I'm looking at a cheap DRO for it.. I could do without one on the cross slide, but I'm going to put on on there too.. probably have to get the slim scale like ToT (14x40)
My dislike for your DRO started when ALE was an abbreviation for Absolute. Possibly ALE was a clue as to what the programmers were doing while they writing the software.
Take the blue cap off the back of your dial indicator. There is a flat tip that unscrews... swap that with your indicator tip and voila you have a flat tipped indicator for offsetting your tools @18:25.
ToT mentioned this comment in a video and I didn't realize it was this video until I heard him say he didn't have the flat tip on the indicator, so I looked through the comments and found the comment he showed..... Nice work dude. 😁👍
It's cool going from zero knowledge of machining to feeling like I have more background info on the topic with each video you post (except proper form on the one inch punch. ;)) I am genuinely thankful for the time you put into visual aids and explanations, you made machining a more enjoyable and less intimidating trade for me to step into.
@Scott Page USMC that's how I became ill too.. First watching Tony's vids then I bought a lathe, than a mill, than a bigger lathe than a metal bandsaw, grinders, air compressor, tool and cutter grinder, heating oven and so on.. And now a little over 2 years after starting to watch the vids I have a room full of machinerie and tools I didn't know the name 3 years ago 🤔🤔🤔 so please run run run and never look back or you'll end like me 😂😂😂
"....all of which my lathe already had" ToT, you are the only youtuber who genuinely makes me laugh out loud. your humour is very dry and exceptionally well timed.
I have very little need for this stuff, I work wood, and to tell the truth would be better off doing something else with my time..... yet I still sit here for 26 minutes listening to stuff I will most likely never need to know..... go figure/well done/keep em coming?
The principles of measurement, adjustment, and modification of your tools don't change between steel and wood. Believe it or not you're getting more useful knowledge than you'll initially understand just by watching him go through the motions. I'm a woodworker too. I come here to watch ToT make mistakes so I don't. At least that's the theory.
albertlagerman by slamming the drawers shut hard enough so that all the tools end up in a pile at the back of the drawer. Having all the tools at the back in the lower drawers ensures the box/cabinet won’t tip over when you oven the overladen top drawer.
I have to watch ALL ToT videos at least twice! Stellar content! Anyone involved in ANYTHING on TH-cam can learn from this man! (writing, speaking, filming, editing, comedy, hell....probably even machining.)
An augmentation of the tool offset library that I've implemented with my DRO (TouchDRO from Yuriy's Toys), is using the tools themselves as touch probes (only works with conductive materials). Basically, I've got an LED which uses the lathe itself as the path to ground. A power supply sends +5v to the LED, and is grounded to the lathe. The negative side of the LED has a springy wire (think phone cord) with a big alligator clip on the end. I then set about electrically insulated the tools themselves from their respective holders using thick paper. Now I can set a tool holder on the tool post, and clip on to the shank of the tool. When the tool touches the work, the LED lights up. It's been super handy in setting up workspaces, tool offsets, etc. It's also nice to be able to accurately pick up a surface without marring the part.
It looks like that .040 error came in when you made the skim cut at 22:00. You instinctively pulled the tool back before moving the carriage down the Z axis (to avoid dragging the tool), then told the DRO that the lathe was at X=1.882 still -- but you had already pulled it back to avoid dragging the tool.
Also, make sure that the on-board battery, (example: CR-2032) is fresh, to give you the maximum years of memory in the DRO.... As my unit never shipped with a flat cell battery and before getting educated upon the depths of the DRO, I would simply turn the unit on, and do my thing, and when done, turn it off.... But, one day, I thought I would be clever, "as odd as that my sound, coming from me" and give addresses to all my lathe tools, and build a directory spread sheet, for quick reference, and stamp in a No. XXX into each tool holder... And spent about 8 hours in the learning curve, to do all this... Everything worked out great! and I shut my shop down for the night... And while in bed, thinking of a reason to make something I might need, so I can play the following day with my new found cleverness... I fired up the shop the following morning, got the supplies spread all over the work bench to things look important... And powered on the lathe, and in turn, the DRO, and it turned on as usual. I got out my freshly printed out laminated spear sheets, that I had on a key ring punch though hole, so that would look like I was a professional... "Ah, I need tool No.37, grabbed that from the toolbox drawer, plop it in the QCTP.... got to call up the tool in the address menue.... NOTHING!!!!!!!! I scanned for a couple others addressed tools, nothing as well... so I re-entered a tool for the giggles of this all... Seemed fine, added another addressed tool, and could scroll between those two... Longest boring story cut short, turned the unit off, and into gone... Carter around with that for hours... Luckily, I speak 4 different oriental language's, in addition to my native english, and called the manufacture... Tools them what issues I was having... With in 5 seconds of me telling them a 75 minute long novel of my issues, including the DRO issue, they mentioned that the sticker on the front stated I needed to install a flat cell battery.. They sicker was in Chinese, I said I speak Chinese, I don't read Chinese.... Their stickers now have multiple languages stating that a battery needs installed. I asked why no battery was installed and shipped in the units... Something to do with the lower shipping costs, if the unit doesn't contain lithium as a hazardous material and shelf life of the battery if sitting on a sales shelf of warehouse shelf???? Okay... there is my novel for the month, see you all next month.... Lol
Also, on a side note... Being I had to open the units up, I added to each unit, an additional flat cell battery holder, soldered in parallel to the one that is soldered directly on to the PC board... So I can slap a new battery in, while changing out the old one, and not loose my info... I wonder if just leaving both battery installed, will allow a longer time of holding the memory, vs, the actual life of the battery, before they try and leak or vent onto the board and start the corrosion of the contacts??? I don't know, I just use one, and in time, (6 month to a year) will probe with a DMM and check the voltages ... For all I know, one battery may last 20 years? My equipment may be worn out before then????
Huh...I didn't even know that my Chinese dro took a battery...I'll have to look into this. I've always just used the dro in absolute mode, take a cut, measure the diameter and enter it, then off I go. I don't think I could ever have enough faith in the thing to rely on it to save it's position in the tool library. I'm happy enough that it just tells me how close I am to my finished dimension.
@@jimc3688 my cheaper units unfortunately do not have a USB, not even a serial port. Now, mine do have what one understands as a 1/8" phono-jack, like what folks use for head phones on the phones and iPods. .. And is for company use at the manufacture, and they wouldn't tell me what it is for other then them telling me to leave it alone, lol.. Okay, don't have to tell me twice!..lol
You explaining things I'll never need to know in my entire life, while your kitty watches and hits you from time to time, is my new favorite thing in the world.
I would be really curious as to how much thoughts and planning is involved for the jokes of whether it comes fairly natural ..... At any rate, it's the result that matters and it's AMAZING !!!
You crack me up every time. Not only are you hilarious, you also manage to make wonderful footage, incredible animations and exquisite editing. All my hats off to you, sir.
We have the same exact DRO at work. I could not find out for the life of me how this thing worked. But now, thanks to you, I can setup multiple tools. Thanks a bunch! =D
I didnt anticipate how valuable I would find one of these, going back to reading hand dials after a length of time with a DRO feels like going back to the stone age on a milling machine
Just relaxing on the weekend before going back to my trade school on Monday is always wonderful with your knowledge. I learn something new every time I watch this channel and it is so very helpful in my education.
I think that's an overstatement. Most do not reach the 5% on projects threshold. Making useful things is no longer considered patriotic when you can buy them.
I WOULD SAY THAT IS MORE THAT ACCURATE!!! I HAVE A LATHE AND IV MADE A YO YO AND 20 boring bars, solid tool post, tool holders, milling attachment, wheels and handles, cross slide extension, index wheel for the chuck etc...haha! OH AND ITS REALLY GOOD FOR POLISHING ROUND STUFF LOL.
I played it but in my case I hit "like" even if I didn't understand it! I guess I'll have to wait until David Richards returns from winter quarters and starts up "Old Time Steam Powered Machine Shop" videos on youtube again!
Thank you for the calming nature music during the tranquil coolant scene, this has got me perfectly relaxed for the rest of my Sunday afternoon TH-cam binge
Thanks Old Tony, I like you too Also with that dro can't you touch off on a known x and z as a reference point and input the offsets that way? I use XYZ lathes and I setup my tools like that.
Thank you. After seeing this video, I've been inspired to reintroduce myself to my DRO of 15 years, apologize for all of the years I've been holding it back, and promise to head into a future where I use all of its buttons - not just reset.
Well, you first have to get 5 flux capacitors from Ebay. One for each axis: X,Y,Z and one for forward and one for backward in Time, designated T- and T+. Make sure that you mount them correctly in the correct direction.
Yeah yeah, I’m well past that point. I was banking on This Old Tony to work out the trial and error on the RPM necessary for maximum resonance. The whole time travel thing really cuts down on R&D time.
I loved the HA button. Sometimes the machining is not teaching me anything I don't already know. I just watch this guy for the wise cracks. He's a comic genius. See you at next week's M.A. meeting.
I could've sworn in one video Tony mentioned that he 'does his nails' with an angle grinder. [Edit: Or he might have mentioned that one of the many uses for an angle grinder was doing your nails - something like that, it was a while ago.]
Both of my main machines came with Sino DRO's and have worked flawlessly for the last 3 years. I think now that you have a DRO on the lathe, you will learn to love it. The biggest problem is machine/too/part flex if you are trying to get to a specific number in actual part size. I find that if I take a really light cut, say 0.010" for the final passes, the DRO and reality match. Larger cuts result in a few thousandths difference. Great presentation to boot. Your subscription numbers are well earned.
Interesting stuff - I have yet to explore those functions! I find mine useful these days as more bits come in with metric dimensions. I think it will also allow this kind of lathe to perform much more accurate time travel - In accordance with the Chinese lunar calendar I believe.
I don't even have to watch it to give it a thumbs up, but I hang around anyway to watch it! :) This Old Tony could film a pot of coffee brewing and it would get thousands of thumbs. It's just great content!
Hey This, or Old Tony... I have one of these DRO's on my lathe. Your video inspired me to spend an extraordinary amount of time working out how to use this '200 Tool Store". I've aged a few years and my doctor has prescribed me some Valium... It works! I've even set boring bars into this Chinese mental torture device. The place where i started winning was when I stopped looking at the 'Manual' and worked out what it was actually doing. It stores tool offsets in much the same way a CNC machine does. Once my feeble brain got that straight, it became kinda fun putting new tools in. I've got 12 holders, 10 in the 'Tool Store'. Thanks for the push.. Michael. PS. I used one of those electric squakey edge finders in a collet as the reference.
Just a brief note to anyone that chooses to travel this route to madness. If you set all this and get it working DO NOT change ANYTHING that has anything to do with the physical position of your reference ( ALE ) tool holder. If you do, you are starting again with the whole setup as all the offsets you've set no longer mean anything. This is probably the most absurd feature I have come across in DRO. I have now chosen to use the 200 datum's available instead.
Turning Point LoL . But the joke we used on our parents when asked to count higher than ten , was to hold both hands above your head counting eleven , twelve , thirteen , etc as you touched each finger accordingly . Got call a cheeky sh%t . When the family went grocery shopping I would be the human calculator add the dollar value minus the cents difference . Etc witn multiples .
@@boboften9952 I just count binary -- gets up to 1023 on both hands, though 4, 128, and 132 can be problematic in public. As a bonus, you can multiply and divide by powers of 2 by just scooting the radix about. 8 can be annoying to divide by, but if you publicly start making strange gestures and looking weirdly at your fingers then hlenching out the correct answer, people'll look at you like you're some kinda sorcerer.
@@plymouth-hl20ton37 Thatsw what it was i am sure go to AvE sight. Rated NC17 or Real Life shop talking ppl the real world channel just like this one only PG rated LOL
I laughed so hard when you added the audience gasp sound clip for when the work piece slipped out of its fixture. Also the rain and nature sound effects for the coolant was priceless as well
Tony, There is definitely some conversion shenanigans going on here. I would bet the microcontroller in your DRO is performing the metric conversion as you mention and then saving the converted number in the 'tool library' as a 16-bit floating point number. You are literally observing the precision of 16-bit numbers (base 2) as converted to decimal (base 10) on the display. Grabbing the last example from your video, you tried to enter 2.679. This somehow rounded down to 2.673. Through conversion math, you lost precision (at least twice) in the least significant bits of your significand. 0.2678 1 (1.) 0001001001 01101 - 1x sign bit: 1 - 10x significant bits (precision): 0001001001 -- The first 1 before the binary-point (1.) is implicit in the format and practically provides 11-bits of precision in the significant. - 5x exponent bits: 01101 0.2673 1 (1.) 0001000111 01101 - 10x significant bits (precision): 0001000111 -- Really the only difference between these two numbers is the conversion rounded down twice, as observed in the least-significant bits of the significand If you want to play around with an online floating-point calculator, this one isn’t bad: weitz.de/ieee/ Select your precision from the buttons at the bottom of the page. P.S. I just got back from vacation and the first thing I do while sipping coffee the next morning is catch up on your videos! Always a treat -- keep being classy!
Just fixed up the examples (binary 1's and 0's only serve to make your eyes cross). Hopefully they are now mostly correct. Interestingly, if your DRO was smart enough to perform the conversion in a 32-bit floating point format before saving the actual 16-bit float in the library, this error would have been avoided (or at least reduced to a single round-down event).
@@luke.m Float is a bad choice here. Using just integers representing 0.1 micron resolution internally would be error-free. 1 thou (least significant digit in inch mode) would be 254 units, 1um (LSD in mm mode) would be 10 units. Convert the internal unit to the choosen display unit on-the-fly. No rounding error, no error accumulation, no matter how many times one press inc/abs or mm/inch conversion button.
Tfw you spent most of your day off re-watching ToT, hoping desperately to catch a new episode early, and maybe even get hearted by the superstar himself, only for the beauty of his work and melody of his exquisite machines running perfect cuts to lull you to sleep and make you miss the new vid by four hours. :(
I am no machinist, I have a 3d printer and that's about it... Yet I absolutely love Old Tony videos! I dunno why, I'm not sure I care why and I doubt I'll ever actually use any of the info in this video, but I am entertained :')
TOT, watching an instant replay of you setting up tool one, it looks like you retracted the tool after the cut (presumably by the missing .040). It may be worth taking another whack at it. Love what you do man - keep it up!
I added "Watches This Old Tony" to my online dating profile and my inbox is now jam packed, thanks This Old Tony... I'll call out your name in the heat of the moment.
I like Meatball... that's all I can contribute, as I'm just a hobbyist, and not what you call one o' them machine-type guys. In fact, the confused emoji is my default response to most of what's described whenever I watch one of these tech-heavy vids. Still enjoy them, always get something out of them (not just "Huh... I need to buy one of those things now" responses), but genuinely educated. To give you an idea of my abilities, I still run into the house and proudly show the wife my work whenever I mill something especially flat and uniform. She pats me on the head, tells me it looks nice, and reminds me to take off my shoes before stepping into her kitchen if I'm coming in from the shop. Today I learned I need a DRO.
ToT, you have a fantastic skill at explaining machine principles and being entertaining. If I want a good laugh, I don't watch a romcom, I watch ToT! Thanks for reading!
Tony is a very sharp guy! Video editing is the Best on TH-cam hands down! Professionals are probably jealous. He knows his stuff with all his videos. Humor can get a little old but can be tolerated with what you learn and easily amazed with his editing.
Watching with headphones and was curious when the thunderstorm started outside.. in the middle of winter... Then noticed the birds and quickly paused the video to figure out what the heck was going on. Oh you got me, you got me good. Loved it though, very nice cinematography.
Are you a machinist?
No.
Do you work in a machine shop?
No.
Have you ever even used a lathe or mill?
No.
Have you done any metal work, in ANY capacity, aside from a bit of welding way back in highschool?
No.
And yet you watch every video this guy releases?
Yes.
I wasn't even interested in machining before I accidentally clicked a ToT video.. now I follow several machining channels :P
I just got a china cnc mill a month ago, and just picked up welder last night.
Ive been 3d printing and designing circuits for a while, thought it was time to up my game.
Very well put, I completely agree...
@@andersjjensen Same. I honestly couldn't have even told you what a machinist did a few years back. Then I wondered what a video titled "This Old Boring Head" could be about, and here I am.
I have never done metal work of any kind in my life. But ToT is my religion.
@22:00 you pulled the X back on habit, thats why your DRO was reading .040 out ;) you did everything correctly, just forgot not to pull back. it happens to the best of us, obviously, as it happened to you haha! cheers Tony!
Habit will get you every time! Well spotted.
@@TheMetalButcher I do it every time haha! It gets frustrating if I dont pay attention to my dials haha. I just made some small parts on thursday for my truck, and did it a few times haha
good spot
Bump so Tony sees it! Sharp eyes @analog56x!
In addition, he should have swept the cutting surface of the inserts in the Z axis to find the high spot.
Remember to take cut, mic it, check to see if dro corresponds, and then repeat for 20 years because of the one time it screwed you when you didn't.
We had dros on the lathes and mills at school. I liked them on the mills. I turned them off on the lathes.
Amen
You sure that wasn't back lash on your cross slide? Maybe ya moved it
@@TheMetalButcher My lathe has horrid X axis accuracy.. .010" graduations, and unless you want to use the compound, you're pretty much stuck.. I'm looking at a cheap DRO for it.. I could do without one on the cross slide, but I'm going to put on on there too.. probably have to get the slim scale like ToT (14x40)
@@Rx7man What 4x40 has 10 thou increments? That's junk.
I'm starting to think it's really Meatball who does all of the work and you just explain it on camera and take all of the glory...
Meatball should start his/her own channel .... (Is Meatball a he or a she?) My two cats are similar, but they are not kitten anymore ...
What a pussy.
I have a cat named meatball! and her moms name is meatloaf :P
Bingo! That's why Meatball was so anxious! ...it's all coming together now...
The nature scene with the natural river of flood coolant, priceless.
I was SO waiting for David Attenborough to start musing about the unique peculiarities of the mating call of the steel chip :)
Anders Juel Jensen - underrated comment for sure, right there.
I'd go so far as to say, inspired.
My cat isn’t very helpful with insert tooling either.
My dislike for your DRO started when ALE was an abbreviation for Absolute.
Possibly ALE was a clue as to what the programmers were doing while they writing the software.
I feel bad for ya...My cat has no problem with helping me insert my tool..LOL
No, but they will help with involute gear cutters.
Thats why we keep human pets
@@unitedspacepirates9075 That is not exactly always true. In my humble opinion, cats domesticized humans - not vice versa.
I love the Ave Reference in your Dipol Radar Orthogonizer
Haha My first thought too!! 😁
That and the Subscribe cameos all over the place.
I like the ALE readout too. Beer is my drug and lifts my soul.
@@pekkasaarinen2902 I also need a DRO that tells me when its ale time.
Now to just watch AvEs next video for a TOT reference 🤣
Take the blue cap off the back of your dial indicator. There is a flat tip that unscrews... swap that with your indicator tip and voila you have a flat tipped indicator for offsetting your tools @18:25.
ToT mentioned this comment in a video and I didn't realize it was this video until I heard him say he didn't have the flat tip on the indicator, so I looked through the comments and found the comment he showed..... Nice work dude. 😁👍
It's cool going from zero knowledge of machining to feeling like I have more background info on the topic with each video you post (except proper form on the one inch punch. ;)) I am genuinely thankful for the time you put into visual aids and explanations, you made machining a more enjoyable and less intimidating trade for me to step into.
@Scott Page USMC that's how I became ill too.. First watching Tony's vids then I bought a lathe, than a mill, than a bigger lathe than a metal bandsaw, grinders, air compressor, tool and cutter grinder, heating oven and so on.. And now a little over 2 years after starting to watch the vids I have a room full of machinerie and tools I didn't know the name 3 years ago 🤔🤔🤔 so please run run run and never look back or you'll end like me 😂😂😂
He teaches great, I just learn enough to be dangerous, lucky no test at the end
Thanks for using our original SINO products. And that's a very good video, thank you.
Still trying to figure out the Jekyll and Hyde relationship between ToT and AvE. 🤔
To The Top Crane they are twins in real life. Ave is the evil one and ToT is our savior.
@@hodgepodgeenginerd1258, I can see that. It almost reminds me of the old cartoon that was turned into a video game 'Spy vs. Spy'.
@@ToTheTopCrane π vs. π
@@PrestonMcgill 😂👍
dark lord AvE is 100% bumblefu-canucki whereas i’m pretty convinced that ToT is philly through-and-through.
"....all of which my lathe already had" ToT, you are the only youtuber who genuinely makes me laugh out loud. your humour is very dry and exceptionally well timed.
dude the cutting fluid clips with those rainforest sounds in the back were simply genius. well done.
I have very little need for this stuff, I work wood, and to tell the truth would be better off doing something else with my time..... yet I still sit here for 26 minutes listening to stuff I will most likely never need to know..... go figure/well done/keep em coming?
The principles of measurement, adjustment, and modification of your tools don't change between steel and wood. Believe it or not you're getting more useful knowledge than you'll initially understand just by watching him go through the motions.
I'm a woodworker too. I come here to watch ToT make mistakes so I don't. At least that's the theory.
@@PapiSmerf no doubt word of truth.
If you don't have a DRO on your tool box drawers you're basically a caveman.
How can you sleep at night not knowing if your drawers are shut all the way?
albertlagerman by slamming the drawers shut hard enough so that all the tools end up in a pile at the back of the drawer. Having all the tools at the back in the lower drawers ensures the box/cabinet won’t tip over when you oven the overladen top drawer.
@300DBenz That generally happens when I'm pissed. :)
This comment still keeps me up...
Can confirm, i work with steam locomotives, i havent used a DRO in years, please send help or a DRO.
I have to watch ALL ToT videos at least twice!
Stellar content!
Anyone involved in ANYTHING on TH-cam can learn from this man!
(writing, speaking, filming, editing, comedy, hell....probably even machining.)
An augmentation of the tool offset library that I've implemented with my DRO (TouchDRO from Yuriy's Toys), is using the tools themselves as touch probes (only works with conductive materials).
Basically, I've got an LED which uses the lathe itself as the path to ground. A power supply sends +5v to the LED, and is grounded to the lathe. The negative side of the LED has a springy wire (think phone cord) with a big alligator clip on the end. I then set about electrically insulated the tools themselves from their respective holders using thick paper.
Now I can set a tool holder on the tool post, and clip on to the shank of the tool. When the tool touches the work, the LED lights up. It's been super handy in setting up workspaces, tool offsets, etc. It's also nice to be able to accurately pick up a surface without marring the part.
Now that is a very nice hack, thanks for sharing this tips
It looks like that .040 error came in when you made the skim cut at 22:00. You instinctively pulled the tool back before moving the carriage down the Z axis (to avoid dragging the tool), then told the DRO that the lathe was at X=1.882 still -- but you had already pulled it back to avoid dragging the tool.
FliesLikeABrick - bingo
22:00 & 8 frames - well spotted :)
@@millomweb hah I still think about it sometimes, because in the next video he says he still can't see it when reviewing the video
@@FliesLikeABrick It's them glasses he wears.
I mean it's kinda second nature, ain't nobody got time for swirly marks on the parts 🤣🤣🤣
SINO should hook you up with some absolute DRO scales for making this sweet vid... or at least a high-five. Whichever is easier.
The nature and water sounds had me dying! I love the sense of humor this channel has
So desperate for a TOT video I started binge watching his old videos I had already watched
Me as well but hey there are few things that doesn't make my BS meter blow
I also do this
Also, make sure that the on-board battery, (example: CR-2032) is fresh, to give you the maximum years of memory in the DRO.... As my unit never shipped with a flat cell battery and before getting educated upon the depths of the DRO, I would simply turn the unit on, and do my thing, and when done, turn it off.... But, one day, I thought I would be clever, "as odd as that my sound, coming from me" and give addresses to all my lathe tools, and build a directory spread sheet, for quick reference, and stamp in a No. XXX into each tool holder... And spent about 8 hours in the learning curve, to do all this... Everything worked out great! and I shut my shop down for the night... And while in bed, thinking of a reason to make something I might need, so I can play the following day with my new found cleverness... I fired up the shop the following morning, got the supplies spread all over the work bench to things look important... And powered on the lathe, and in turn, the DRO, and it turned on as usual. I got out my freshly printed out laminated spear sheets, that I had on a key ring punch though hole, so that would look like I was a professional... "Ah, I need tool No.37, grabbed that from the toolbox drawer, plop it in the QCTP.... got to call up the tool in the address menue.... NOTHING!!!!!!!! I scanned for a couple others addressed tools, nothing as well... so I re-entered a tool for the giggles of this all... Seemed fine, added another addressed tool, and could scroll between those two... Longest boring story cut short, turned the unit off, and into gone... Carter around with that for hours... Luckily, I speak 4 different oriental language's, in addition to my native english, and called the manufacture... Tools them what issues I was having... With in 5 seconds of me telling them a 75 minute long novel of my issues, including the DRO issue, they mentioned that the sticker on the front stated I needed to install a flat cell battery.. They sicker was in Chinese, I said I speak Chinese, I don't read Chinese.... Their stickers now have multiple languages stating that a battery needs installed. I asked why no battery was installed and shipped in the units... Something to do with the lower shipping costs, if the unit doesn't contain lithium as a hazardous material and shelf life of the battery if sitting on a sales shelf of warehouse shelf???? Okay... there is my novel for the month, see you all next month.... Lol
Also, on a side note... Being I had to open the units up, I added to each unit, an additional flat cell battery holder, soldered in parallel to the one that is soldered directly on to the PC board... So I can slap a new battery in, while changing out the old one, and not loose my info... I wonder if just leaving both battery installed, will allow a longer time of holding the memory, vs, the actual life of the battery, before they try and leak or vent onto the board and start the corrosion of the contacts??? I don't know, I just use one, and in time, (6 month to a year) will probe with a DMM and check the voltages ... For all I know, one battery may last 20 years? My equipment may be worn out before then????
Huh...I didn't even know that my Chinese dro took a battery...I'll have to look into this. I've always just used the dro in absolute mode, take a cut, measure the diameter and enter it, then off I go. I don't think I could ever have enough faith in the thing to rely on it to save it's position in the tool library. I'm happy enough that it just tells me how close I am to my finished dimension.
Do any have a USB port to connect a laptop and use a proper user interface ?
They make larger lithium cells, about AA size, that last 20+ years, if you can find the space.
@@jimc3688 my cheaper units unfortunately do not have a USB, not even a serial port. Now, mine do have what one understands as a 1/8" phono-jack, like what folks use for head phones on the phones and iPods. .. And is for company use at the manufacture, and they wouldn't tell me what it is for other then them telling me to leave it alone, lol.. Okay, don't have to tell me twice!..lol
Yep, the "another stinkin' thing I need" channel is back with another great video
*comforts crying wallet*
Truth right here!
I'm still trying to find a way to justify getting a surface grinder
L M A O ps next time TOT uploads play safe use ear plugs and safety glasses . LOL
TommyGun. The obvious way is to ask all the local mechanics if they'd give you any business skimming cylinder heads.
Loved the thunderstorm, running water and birds in the background when you are flood cooling. And the last drop was priceless!
Great video! My big problem with the DRO on my lathe is having to tip the whole machine onto the tailstock end to make Z move the right direction.
You explaining things I'll never need to know in my entire life, while your kitty watches and hits you from time to time, is my new favorite thing in the world.
I cant stop laughing at this one. A DRO on your hand files!! 'Absolute' hilarious! Your vids are works of art. Thanks for bringing another one
I would be really curious as to how much thoughts and planning is involved for the jokes of whether it comes fairly natural ..... At any rate, it's the result that matters and it's AMAZING !!!
You crack me up every time. Not only are you hilarious, you also manage to make wonderful footage, incredible animations and exquisite editing. All my hats off to you, sir.
Liked video before it even starts we all know it’s going to be damn good
goof
We have the same exact DRO at work. I could not find out for the life of me how this thing worked. But now, thanks to you, I can setup multiple tools. Thanks a bunch! =D
Every time i'm out in nature i think of coolant streaming down the vice, and chips flying as a way to calm and relax myself.
I keep expexcting to run into a wilderness machine shop or at least a wild lathe.
It made me want to go for a wee.
This part really cracked me up. 😂
Who lets those frogs in the shop ?
I didnt anticipate how valuable I would find one of these, going back to reading hand dials after a length of time with a DRO feels like going back to the stone age on a milling machine
Loved the rain forest gag. And I am working on not being one of the people, who doesn’t understand, Diameter ‘a la MODE. 🤔
Just relaxing on the weekend before going back to my trade school on Monday is always wonderful with your knowledge. I learn something new every time I watch this channel and it is so very helpful in my education.
Now I finally understand how Clickspring can be so precise with his hand filing - he must have a DRO on his files just like you.
yeah, but you don't see any cords...they must be those fancy bluetooth scales.
You do realise his name is Chris, he says so at the start. You Know "G'Day, Chris from click spring here"
16:47 lol, you never fail to make me laugh *uproariously* in your videos! you are a youtube treasure, thanks for everything you do.
Is it true that home-machinists spend 95% of their time making tools to make more tools and only 5% of their time on actual projects? :)
Mark O tools to make tools to fix your other tools
I think that's an overstatement. Most do not reach the 5% on projects threshold. Making useful things is no longer considered patriotic when you can buy them.
I WOULD SAY THAT IS MORE THAT ACCURATE!!! I HAVE A LATHE AND IV MADE A YO YO AND 20 boring bars, solid tool post, tool holders, milling attachment, wheels and handles, cross slide extension, index wheel for the chuck etc...haha! OH AND ITS REALLY GOOD FOR POLISHING ROUND STUFF LOL.
yes douchely
Absolutely not!
It's more like 99%.
I was so happy to see a new video I hit like before playing
I played it but in my case I hit "like" even if I didn't understand it! I guess I'll have to wait until David Richards returns from winter quarters and starts up "Old Time Steam Powered Machine Shop" videos on youtube again!
Thank you for the calming nature music during the tranquil coolant scene, this has got me perfectly relaxed for the rest of my Sunday afternoon TH-cam binge
Thanks Old Tony, I like you too
Also with that dro can't you touch off on a known x and z as a reference point and input the offsets that way? I use XYZ lathes and I setup my tools like that.
The rainforest noises during the detail shots of the coolant draining and dripping was beautiful.
holy hell, where did you pick up your amazing camera, audio and editing skills? It's like I am watchin Martin Scorsese do a video on machining! ♥
A man of taste
Thank you. After seeing this video, I've been inspired to reintroduce myself to my DRO of 15 years, apologize for all of the years I've been holding it back, and promise to head into a future where I use all of its buttons - not just reset.
I really had my hopes up for a dielectric resonance orbiter video. Maybe next time.
Well, you first have to get 5 flux capacitors from Ebay. One for each axis: X,Y,Z and one for forward and one for backward in Time, designated T- and T+. Make sure that you mount them correctly in the correct direction.
Yeah yeah, I’m well past that point. I was banking on This Old Tony to work out the trial and error on the RPM necessary for maximum resonance. The whole time travel thing really cuts down on R&D time.
I loved the HA button. Sometimes the machining is not teaching me anything I don't already know. I just watch this guy for the wise cracks. He's a comic genius. See you at next week's M.A. meeting.
I still maintain that your manicurist is a freakin' SAVAGE.
It's Meatball.
Lol! I'm bleeding if I try to cut mine shorter than the tip of my finger!
Manicure?? Am I watching Avon79 again?
@@dan27052 Ooh, Adam's gonna getcha!
I could've sworn in one video Tony mentioned that he 'does his nails' with an angle grinder.
[Edit: Or he might have mentioned that one of the many uses for an angle grinder was doing your nails - something like that, it was a while ago.]
I do zero fabrication of any kind, but now I know so much about things I won't get to use. Fantastic, I thank you sir
2:00 awhhhh, i like you to Tony.
Both of my main machines came with Sino DRO's and have worked flawlessly for the last 3 years. I think now that you have a DRO on the lathe, you will learn to love it. The biggest problem is machine/too/part flex if you are trying to get to a specific number in actual part size. I find that if I take a really light cut, say 0.010" for the final passes, the DRO and reality match. Larger cuts result in a few thousandths difference. Great presentation to boot. Your subscription numbers are well earned.
Interesting stuff - I have yet to explore those functions! I find mine useful these days as more bits come in with metric dimensions. I think it will also allow this kind of lathe to perform much more accurate time travel - In accordance with the Chinese lunar calendar I believe.
I don't even have to watch it to give it a thumbs up, but I hang around anyway to watch it! :)
This Old Tony could film a pot of coffee brewing and it would get thousands of thumbs. It's just great content!
I think he really did that . . .
So this is basically a very expensive pair of calipers welded at a 90° angle? Nice!
If you think this is the expensive way, try pricing Mitutoyo digital calipers with the same measuring range!
@@ThomCat316 Yeah I know that! Ridiculus prices. Generally I was trying out some joking but othervise I realize the cost.
@@zanpekosak2383 - my next door neighbor, industrially speaking, has a one meter Mitutoyo vernier caliper. The thing is a beast!
@@ThomCat316 Pretty darn cool!
I LOVE Tony's sense of humor!! I'm not even a machinist, but I love watching these videos! 😂🤣
Not gonna lie, when I saw those finished tool holders, I got a raging semi!
So you found yourself in the same position as that guy in Duel? :O
You think that's impressive..
I got a raging x-tra full!
Isn’t a “raging semi” a bit of an oxymoron? You were completely medium stiff??? 😂😂
@@ajl9491 you don't get at least a semi you have no soul
@@dncii3776 When you reach a certain age sometimes semi is the highest extent of the scale
That nature transition was magnificent, at first I was sure my sanity was slipping. Then it became very soothing.
i laughed way too hard, way too long, way more times than i’m willing to admit... and then i accidentally learned a bunch of stuff. thanks, tony!
Tony your content is truly hilarious yet informational. I love it!
For extra credit, now you just need to figure out a use for that bolt circle function on a lathe.
Meatball FTW!
Hey This, or Old Tony... I have one of these DRO's on my lathe. Your video inspired me to spend an extraordinary amount of time working out how to use this '200 Tool Store". I've aged a few years and my doctor has prescribed me some Valium... It works! I've even set boring bars into this Chinese mental torture device. The place where i started winning was when I stopped looking at the 'Manual' and worked out what it was actually doing. It stores tool offsets in much the same way a CNC machine does. Once my feeble brain got that straight, it became kinda fun putting new tools in. I've got 12 holders, 10 in the 'Tool Store'.
Thanks for the push.. Michael.
PS. I used one of those electric squakey edge finders in a collet as the reference.
Just a brief note to anyone that chooses to travel this route to madness.
If you set all this and get it working DO NOT change ANYTHING that has anything to do with the physical position of your reference ( ALE ) tool holder. If you do, you are starting again with the whole setup as all the offsets you've set no longer mean anything. This is probably the most absurd feature I have come across in DRO. I have now chosen to use the 200 datum's available instead.
If you type AvE into the dro 3 times with the lights off it summons him
Well, his hands anyway
Just make sure you do it right or it will summon the thing he keeps on his vise
Avoid that all he will do is complain.
Per the Machinist's Black Book!
@@COBRAWILLY05 Or worse you might get Dewclaw.
Loved the water sound effects...especially the last drop...you are quite the card TOT!!!
I've heard that if you are here early Tony likes your comment.
LOVES your comment.
Same if you comment on a comment he likes.
I heard that if you never make a comment Tony uses his time travel machine to travel back in time to make sure your never born.
A 100% of the time i only understand what your talking about 31% of the time but u love it 99% of the time you have the best content
I watched the whole video...... and I'm going to stick to my abacus 😂😂
ha ha....
Get modern just remove your shoes and socks to count higher than ten .
@@boboften9952 Actually that would involve removing your pants to get to eleventeen unless one offshoot of your family tree is part sloth. :-)
Turning Point LoL . But the joke we used on our parents when asked to count higher than ten , was to hold both hands above your head counting eleven , twelve , thirteen , etc as you touched each finger accordingly . Got call a cheeky sh%t . When the family went grocery shopping I would be the human calculator add the dollar value minus the cents difference . Etc witn multiples .
@@boboften9952 I just count binary -- gets up to 1023 on both hands, though 4, 128, and 132 can be problematic in public. As a bonus, you can multiply and divide by powers of 2 by just scooting the radix about. 8 can be annoying to divide by, but if you publicly start making strange gestures and looking weirdly at your fingers then hlenching out the correct answer, people'll look at you like you're some kinda sorcerer.
I love to watch your videos you put a sense of humour in the job line that is good I wish all companies had that sense of humour
What? AvE DRO?
Luiz Fellipe Carneiro I thought I was the only one seeing that I accidentally thought I turned into AvE video by accident
@@plymouth-hl20ton37 Thatsw what it was i am sure go to AvE sight. Rated NC17 or Real Life shop talking ppl the real world channel just like this one only PG rated LOL
I laughed so hard when you added the audience gasp sound clip for when the work piece slipped out of its fixture. Also the rain and nature sound effects for the coolant was priceless as well
Tony,
There is definitely some conversion shenanigans going on here. I would bet the microcontroller in your DRO is performing the metric conversion as you mention and then saving the converted number in the 'tool library' as a 16-bit floating point number. You are literally observing the precision of 16-bit numbers (base 2) as converted to decimal (base 10) on the display.
Grabbing the last example from your video, you tried to enter 2.679. This somehow rounded down to 2.673. Through conversion math, you lost precision (at least twice) in the least significant bits of your significand.
0.2678
1 (1.) 0001001001 01101
- 1x sign bit: 1
- 10x significant bits (precision): 0001001001
-- The first 1 before the binary-point (1.) is implicit in the format and practically provides 11-bits of precision in the significant.
- 5x exponent bits: 01101
0.2673
1 (1.) 0001000111 01101
- 10x significant bits (precision): 0001000111
-- Really the only difference between these two numbers is the conversion rounded down twice, as observed in the least-significant bits of the significand
If you want to play around with an online floating-point calculator, this one isn’t bad:
weitz.de/ieee/
Select your precision from the buttons at the bottom of the page.
P.S. I just got back from vacation and the first thing I do while sipping coffee the next morning is catch up on your videos! Always a treat -- keep being classy!
Just fixed up the examples (binary 1's and 0's only serve to make your eyes cross). Hopefully they are now mostly correct.
Interestingly, if your DRO was smart enough to perform the conversion in a 32-bit floating point format before saving the actual 16-bit float in the library, this error would have been avoided (or at least reduced to a single round-down event).
@@luke.m Float is a bad choice here. Using just integers representing 0.1 micron resolution internally would be error-free. 1 thou (least significant digit in inch mode) would be 254 units, 1um (LSD in mm mode) would be 10 units. Convert the internal unit to the choosen display unit on-the-fly. No rounding error, no error accumulation, no matter how many times one press inc/abs or mm/inch conversion button.
Thanks for the video. 1. thank you for letting us participate in your reflections, 2. thank you for the brilliant humor
Loved the nature noise an dad jokes
Tfw you spent most of your day off re-watching ToT, hoping desperately to catch a new episode early, and maybe even get hearted by the superstar himself, only for the beauty of his work and melody of his exquisite machines running perfect cuts to lull you to sleep and make you miss the new vid by four hours. :(
1:36 -- AvE reveal... finally.
7:36 -- Tony: "Son, you left the side door open again... Don't slam the door!" BANG
I am no machinist, I have a 3d printer and that's about it... Yet I absolutely love Old Tony videos!
I dunno why, I'm not sure I care why and I doubt I'll ever actually use any of the info in this video, but I am entertained :')
I've never been this early to one of your video's - I'm normally 6-12 months late.....Doh! or DRO!
Always love the TOT videos! Production value is better than just about anything else on This Old Tube
Cool video, DRO
Tony! you did an excellent job, a lot of things were explained to me by DRO! Best regards from Ukraine chipmaker!
Tony never hearted me :(
How’s it feel to be a liar, now :p
Now I'm complete :D
What an imagination! Cutting fluid flow to the music of thunder...brilliant!
Hooray for MEATBALL
Sassy cat 🐱
TOT, watching an instant replay of you setting up tool one, it looks like you retracted the tool after the cut (presumably by the missing .040). It may be worth taking another whack at it. Love what you do man - keep it up!
This old tony. I dare you to make a quick change tool post.
Is that the same as a quick draw tool post? TOT, fastest toolslinger in the (insert cardinal direction here).
that would be sooooo ToT. First item of my gift list!!!!!!
The sense of humor is great. Video was ever better. Thanks
Sorry, I wasn't listening on that last part. Looks like Meatball will be able to cut some steel soon with those nails.
Good cat - at 24:28 and 24:40 - no claws!
@@zolof911Mostly, at 25:24 the hooks are certainly out.
Each time you post a video I remember why I’m subscribed to your channel!!
Like always great stuff, thank you sir!!
And just like that there's my will to live again
The DRO on the file really got me. Keep up the good work tony!
I added "Watches This Old Tony" to my online dating profile and my inbox is now jam packed, thanks This Old Tony... I'll call out your name in the heat of the moment.
I love the fade from machining to nature sounds! I guarantee thats not been done before. very inventive, oh and soooothing!
I miss the shaper, it sounded like the tardis :c
I thought there was a fly on my screen and tried to scare it off with my cursor.
@@berserk7111 Ah yes, I am pure evil.
I like Meatball... that's all I can contribute, as I'm just a hobbyist, and not what you call one o' them machine-type guys. In fact, the confused emoji is my default response to most of what's described whenever I watch one of these tech-heavy vids. Still enjoy them, always get something out of them (not just "Huh... I need to buy one of those things now" responses), but genuinely educated. To give you an idea of my abilities, I still run into the house and proudly show the wife my work whenever I mill something especially flat and uniform. She pats me on the head, tells me it looks nice, and reminds me to take off my shoes before stepping into her kitchen if I'm coming in from the shop.
Today I learned I need a DRO.
1:38 I think your Lathe DRO has a Canadian virus.
Lol... "then you shouldn't be worried about tool libraries..." That was so info packed, my DRO now hurts. Great video as always. Thanks
i just watched your threading video and thought to myself wow he must died or somthing .....and poof a video popped up ...the gods must be crazy
ToT, you have a fantastic skill at explaining machine principles and being entertaining. If I want a good laugh, I don't watch a romcom, I watch ToT! Thanks for reading!
It's too late here, should go to bed but wait... new video from TOT (means "death" in German)
It means "dead" 😉
It does mean both.
@@FesixGermany "Death" (Tod) is a noun, "dead" (tot) is an adjective. There's some slight difference.
Oh man you're right, sorry I goofed in my own language.
@@FesixGermany No worries, you won't be the last one. ;-)
Tony is a very sharp guy! Video editing is the Best on TH-cam hands down! Professionals are probably jealous. He knows his stuff with all his videos. Humor can get a little old but can be tolerated with what you learn and easily amazed with his editing.
2:00 thanks buy you're not my type. We can be friends though.
Watching with headphones and was curious when the thunderstorm started outside.. in the middle of winter... Then noticed the birds and quickly paused the video to figure out what the heck was going on. Oh you got me, you got me good. Loved it though, very nice cinematography.
Tony I like you also. This just got weird....